Kidnapping? You can't be a father if you do "drugs".

[tod evans]

This whole article sickens me!


Man kidnaps 2 young sons from grandparents' Florida home, authorities say


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/04/authorities-man-kidnaps-2-young-sons-in-fla/?test=latestnews


TAMPA, Fla. – Authorities are searching for two young boys they believe were kidnapped by their father from their maternal grandparents' Florida home after their grandmother was tied up.
The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office on Wednesday night asked for the public's help in locating the boys, 4-year-old Cole Hakken and 2-year-old Chase Hakken.
Authorities allege that their father, 35-year-old Joshua Michael Hakken, entered his mother-in-law's house north of Tampa, tied her up and fled with the children. They said the children could be in a black 2006 GMC pickup owned by their father.
The news release identified Hakken and the children's mother, 34-year-old Sharyn Patricia Hakken, as suspects in the abduction. The news release said "both suspects are anti-government and have attempted a previous abduction at gun point in Louisiana."
The Tampa Bay Times reports that Joshua Hakken lost custody of his sons last year after a drug possession arrest in Louisiana, and that authorities said he later tried to take them from a foster home at gunpoint. The newspaper said the children had been living with their grandparents since last year, and that the Hakkens were informed Tuesday by a Louisiana court that they'd been stripped of their parental rights.

[asurfaholic]

Rights are permissions that are granted and taken away by the state.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Some "parents" won't give their children over to the State. They're criminals.

[jclay2]

Rights are permissions that are granted and taken away by the state.

yes good comrad.

[newbitech]

this doesn't sound like it is going to end well. i truly home these boys don't become collateral damage.

[donnay]

When you get 'permission' from the state to get married, you inadvertently allow the state to be a silent partner in your affairs.

This is why asking government to condone or allow any marriage is a huge mistake!!

[ninepointfive]

when have we all had enough? this is just too much to bear day after day.......

[angelatc]

Some of the news reports are referring to the Mom as "anti-government." The pictures (I am guessing from their drivers licenses?) don't make the parents look especially crazy.


Shudder.


http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wtxl.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/44/444be6b4-9cd1-11e2-b915-0019bb30f31a/515cea7dd84a1.preview-300.jpg

Well, hopefully she's more anti-government than I am, and knows how to disappear.

[angelatc]

He's a registered poster on Adam Kokesh's site:http://forums.adamvstheman.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1084

He's a USAF veteran. Apparently lost his kids for smoking pot at a rally where his kids were present. Unreal.

ETA: Second AVTM forum thread: http://forums.adamvstheman.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18593

[amy31416]

Too bad they're in FL, I'd put them up.

[erowe1]

If anybody comes across any information about how to help these people, obviously you can't be too specific, but if there's anything you can post or a way to get people in touch with people, I'm sure some here would be interested.

[abacabb]

He's a registered poster on Adam Kokesh's site:http://forums.adamvstheman.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1084

He's a USAF veteran. Apparently lost his kids for smoking pot at a rally where his kids were present. Unreal.

ETA: Second AVTM forum thread: http://forums.adamvstheman.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18593
So if the rally were in Colorado, he'd be a fit parent.

Verterans are fugged in this country.

[dannno]

Get a few militias together and hole them up in a bunker.

Let's see the Feds use the military to raid two parents in order to kidnap their children for smoking some weed in a fucking park. Let's see if their ego is bigger than their ability to cognitively appraise their future perceived credibility among the public.

If you work for the government and are reading this post as part of your job, please quit now. Spend some free time on this forum and do some research about what your bosses are really up to. Stop being a party to terrorizing innocent people.

[S.Shorland]

Their jury should be fully informed of their right to nullify. http://fija.org/ One leaflet distributor was judged/juried/executed by the same judge under the guise of a contempt order.

[angelatc]

Too bad they're in FL, I'd put them up.


If I got an email through the system from a stranger claiming to be him, I wouldn't call the FBI, that's for sure.

But he's a known Ron Paul supporter, so they're probably watching these sites.

[amy31416]

Yeah, if it were a possibility I wouldn't have said anything. Of course, just saying something like that these days--you never know.

And of course, I was just joking. These are obviously terrible people that I would never let into my home.

[abacabb]

Their jury should be fully informed of their right to nullify. http://fija.org/ One leaflet distributor was judged/juried/executed by the same judge under the guise of a contempt order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5uztpW5xjU
The problem with juries is that the people who sit on them couldn't think of an excuse to escape jury duty.

[DamianTV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5uztpW5xjU
The problem with juries is that the people who sit on them couldn't think of an excuse to escape jury duty.

I wonder why that is? Maybe they just werent smart enough to come up with an excuse, or maybe some of them actually wanted to be jurors to apply their own sense of Justice. The problem there is that those people may very well be out of work. But to be selected as a potential Juror in the first place usually requires that the selected individual has heavy Socialist leanings, which is very desirable by our current "Just-Us" system.

[tod evans]

"Grandparents" who play games like this need a good thrashing too!

Kidnapping your own kid............WTF is wrong with todays society?

There should never, not ever, be kidnapping charges associated with a biological parent and their offspring.

This type of BS is a direct result of "family court"...

[DamianTV]

YOU and your children are the Property of the State...

[MelissaWV]

Just playing devil's advocate a bit, but um... should you really have to tie up your elderly mother to take your kids from your parents' house?

[DamianTV]

Just playing devil's advocate a bit, but um... should you really have to tie up your elderly mother to take your kids from your parents' house?

Elderly Mother, in and of itself, is not a defense of ones character. Ones actions define the quality of their character, and this Elderly Mother may very well be the one that called CPS in the first place.

(Devil's Advocate acknowledged)

[MelissaWV]

Elderly Mother, in and of itself, is not a defense of ones character. Ones actions define the quality of their character, and this Elderly Mother may very well be the one that called CPS in the first place.

(Devil's Advocate acknowledged)

So that makes it cool to tie her up in her house? This forum has some strange heroes.

[tod evans]

Just playing devil's advocate a bit, but um... should you really have to tie up your elderly mother to take your kids from your parents' house?

I've gotta wonder who the psycho really is....

From the article the state is on the G-ma's side, so that in and of itself predisposes me to question her position...

I wish the kids and their parents well......

[erowe1]

Just playing devil's advocate a bit, but um... should you really have to tie up your elderly mother to take your kids from your parents' house?

You shouldn't. But apparently in this case they did.

If my mother weren't cooperative with me getting my kids back after they were taken away for my having done nothing wrong, then tying her up seems like about the most harmless way I could get my kids back and guarantee myself time to get away before she called the police.

[dannno]

Just playing devil's advocate a bit, but um... should you really have to tie up your elderly mother to take your kids from your parents' house?

If you want to make sure that they aren't indicted in assisting with the transfer.

[amy31416]

Just playing devil's advocate a bit, but um... should you really have to tie up your elderly mother to take your kids from your parents' house?

My MIL is built like a linebacker. So, ...... maybe.

[angelatc]

If you want to make sure that they aren't indicted in assisting with the transfer.


Or if you want to give yourself a head start. Once she untied herself, she called the cops.

[P3ter_Griffin]

Either way, is tying up someone who kidnapped your kids wrong?

These people are dangerous in the same way as a mother bear is around their cubs. This story really struck me as a horrible injustice to this family, very sad. I can't imagine what they are going through right now. I hope any cops who find them approach it this way, but I really doubt it.

[P3ter_Griffin]

dp matrix

[Christian Liberty]

Of course, there's no proof of any kind of abuse, just smoking pot...

What's unfortunate is that I know people who would have no problem with this... Just sad...

[Origanalist]

Get a few militias together and hole them up in a bunker.

Let's see the Feds use the military to raid two parents in order to kidnap their children for smoking some weed in a fucking park. Let's see if their ego is bigger than their ability to cognitively appraise their future perceived credibility among the public.

If you work for the government and are reading this post as part of your job, please quit now. Spend some free time on this forum and do some research about what your bosses are really up to. Stop being a party to terrorizing innocent people.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4590268742830704&pid=15.1

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4691367960314553&pid=15.1

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/tx/TXWACOkoresh07.jpg

[donnay]

YOU and your children are the Property of the State...


I want a divorce!!

[CaseyJones]

Update:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/06/17629020-officials-anti-government-couple-may-be-at-sea-with-kidnapped-children?lite


An “anti-government” man alleged to have kidnapped his two young sons from their grandmother’s house may be trying to escape in a sailboat, according to officials.

Police say that Joshua Hakken, 35, apparently broke into his mother-in-law’s Tampa home after 6 a.m. on Wednesday, tied up his mother-in-law and then fled with the boys, Cole, 4, and Chase, 2.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement said that Joshua Hakken and his wife Sharyn, 34, may be traveling together in a 25-foot, 1972 Morgan sailboat, NBCMiami.com reported Friday.

more at link ^

[presence]

Too bad they're in FL, I'd put them up.

I could point them to a handful of off the beaten path abandoned properties to squat.

UNDERGROUND RAILROAD!

[Cleaner44]

It sounds to me like the grandparents are assholes for calling the cops on their son. Has the guy even been convicted or is he simply accused? Even if convicted, that surely could not be a felony.

I would bet that the grandparents are regular watchers of MSNBC.


Edit:
I now see that there has not even been a conviction and yet the parents have been determined guilty and unfit. Kidnapping their own children? Propaganda.

[angelatc]

It sounds to me like the grandparents are assholes for calling the cops on their son. He the guy even been convicted or is he simply accused? Even if convicted, that surely could not be a felony.

I would bet that the grandparents are regular watchers of MSNBC.


I don't think this is fair to the grandparents. The state took the kids, put them in foster homes, and started terminating the parents' rights. The grandparents had two choices - either petition for custody, or lose the grandchildren forever.

What were they supposed to do?

For all we know, they were in on it, and allowed him enough time to flee before calling the cops. Maybe they even told the cops stories about him heading to Mexico to throw them off.

[angelatc]

This has a totally different version of the reason that they lost custody:

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/chase-cole-hakken-amber-alert-deputies-find-gmc-pickup-truck-used-in-kidnapping-of-tampa-kids (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/chase-cole-hakken-amber-alert-deputies-find-gmc-pickup-truck-used-in-kidnapping-of-tampa-kids)


Louisiana Police says Joshua and Sharyn Hakken lost custody of the boys after a bizarre encounter in 2012. A Slidell Police Department detective tells us by phone they were called to a disturbance at a hotel.
"Mr. Hakken was in possession of narcotics and he had some weapons with him. At that point in time, he was placed under arrest," said Slidell Police Detective Daniel Seuzeneau.
"They were speaking some bizarre words that alarmed our officers. They were talking about going to California and when I read the report yesterday, it was something towards the effect of they were trying to beat the Armageddon and get to California which was, obviously, very bizarre," he said.


Another reason never to talk to the cops. If he is an End The Fed guy he was probably talking about a financial Armageddon, and the cops are intentionally using those words to scare people into believing he might kill the kids.

[RockEnds]

I don't think this is fair to the grandparents. The state took the kids, put them in foster homes, and started terminating the parents' rights. The grandparents had two choices - either petition for custody, or lose the grandchildren forever.

What were they supposed to do?

I agree. If the kids were to remain in the family, the grandparents had no choice but to play the game by the rules of CPS. Once the parents are TPR'd, they become legal strangers to the children and no biological relative has the right to know if they are dead or alive. As young as they are, they will be adopted. There's a subsidy for that, and the state will do what they need to do to make sure they cash in on those kds. Once adopted, their identity will be changed, and there's no way to know where they will be raised. Foster kids can be adopted out-of-state or even internationally. The grandparents were just doing what they had to do to keep the kids in the family.

[tod evans]

I'm rooting for the kids and parents.

I hope they're able to disappear and live quietly under the radar.

Fuck CPS and all of their co-conspirators!

[Lucille]

But you can guzzle as much hooch (http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/learn-about-alcohol/alcohol-and-crime) as you want, even to wash your psychotropics (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201101/psychiatric-drugs-and-violence-review-fda-data-finds-link) down.

[tod evans]

But you can guzzle as much hooch (http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/learn-about-alcohol/alcohol-and-crime) as you want, even to wash your psychotropics down.

Hell, the same bunch of government "officials" who took these kids in the first place are good with feeding the kids psychotropics!

[kcchiefs6465]

Is there any update?

[presence]

Is there any update?

They've landed in Cuba and are plotting a route via Panama and eventually on to Argentina.

;)

[tod evans]

Is there any update?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?410406-The-Clam-Cops-close-in-on-Anti-Government-parent-quot-kidnappers-quot

[angelatc]

They've landed in Cuba and are plotting a route via Panama and eventually on to Argentina.

;)


Wow. Seeking political asylum in Cuba isn't a thought that had occurred to me. Wonder how that would work out? Venezuela might also be a good option.

I don't know much about running, but it might be best to avoid countries we're on good terms with, no?

[tod evans]

"The Newz" hasn't announced the slaughter of these kids and their parents yet...

I hope they're all safe in some secure hidy-hole far away from government types..

[abacabb]

Wow. Seeking political asylum in Cuba isn't a thought that had occurred to me. Wonder how that would work out? Venezuela might also be a good option.

I don't know much about running, but it might be best to avoid countries we're on good terms with, no?
I'd rather hide in France then.

[presence]

Wow. Seeking political asylum in Cuba isn't a thought that had occurred to me. Wonder how that would work out? Venezuela might also be a good option.

I don't know much about running, but it might be best to avoid countries we're on good terms with, no?

I was moreso thinking political asylum in Argentina, using Cuba as an island to bounce a sailboat off of. I know several Americans that have travelled back and forth to Cuba via sail boat without documents.... albeit one did get busted by the Coast Guard; sailboat boat dragged behind half underwater. From there... Argentina has lax MJ laws; might be a good option for political asylum. I've heard its fairly easy to come ashore in Panama and Columbia.



I've also considered the possibility they've sank their boat, came ashore in an electric powered inflatable... and are back in the states kickin' it in BFE hillbilly country inland.

[shane77m]

This situation will not end well unless the state backs off and gives up.

There may end up being more children removed from "anti-government" parents in the future. Liberty lovers are already labeled potential domestic terrorists. That is doubled if you are a Christian liberty lover.

[shane77m]

But you can guzzle as much hooch (http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/learn-about-alcohol/alcohol-and-crime) as you want, even to wash your psychotropics (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201101/psychiatric-drugs-and-violence-review-fda-data-finds-link) down.

but hooch and psychotropics are legal, thus they are safe

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know much about running, but it might be best IT IS ESSENTIAL to avoid countries we're on good terms with, no?

FTFY

[Anti Federalist]

Son of a bitch, they made it to Cuba.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?410406-The-Clam-Cops-close-in-on-Anti-Government-parent-quot-kidnappers-quot&p=4964747&viewfull=1#post4964747

Well done, Dad!

[TheTexan]

http://www.pictures88.com/p/congratulations/congratulations_001.jpg