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RecoveringNeoCon
04-03-2013, 01:52 PM
Front Page Drudge in red.

Thoughts? Propaganda?

Do they really want to get wiped off the face of the earth?

WM_in_MO
04-03-2013, 01:55 PM
I guess they figure it can't get much worse.

Twitter is NOT a source:
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/319532446804766721

ravedown
04-03-2013, 01:58 PM
drudge never met a FEAR meme he didn't love....or try to sensationalize. what a dick.

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 02:04 PM
I am losing more and more respect for Drudge.

Gonna have to start vetting articles posted from there more thoroughly.

Propaganda. If they feel so froggy they should leap. And I really am getting tired of melodramatics and expensive theatrics. (not referring to you)

I've posted so many times on the North Korea 'threat' that I am starting to get tired of repeating myself.

Simply, Kim Jong Un is a fat and happy man. What motives does he have to risk his lifestyle for? His rhetoric is directed so that his people don't rise up and kill his ass. Nationalism and all that. Them supposedly having EMPs that can disable the lower 48 makes me laugh. Their country is barely lit. What, did they accidently set one off? They have between 4 and 8 nuclear bombs. (at least that is what the war propoganda told me on the news. [Peter King's interview]) We have like 5,000. Even the warmongerers can't monger for that war without inserting a subtle sentence of how absurd it is. Let Kim Jong Un say what he wants. We need to lift the sanctions and embargos. He wouldn't last for long without anti-American rhetoric and our dumbass (I don't think they are dumb, rather, calculating) foreign policy makers. I'm content. Nuclear holocaust this piece of shit to Nibiru. Just for God's sake, quit talking about North Korea. (again that is not directed to you)

TaftFan
04-03-2013, 02:06 PM
Gonna have to start vetting articles posted from there more thoroughly.



It says:


In a statement published by the official KCNA news agency, the General Staff of the Korean People's Army (KPA) said it was formally informing Washington that reckless US threats would be "smashed by... cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means".
"The merciless operation of (our) revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified," the statement said.

Brian4Liberty
04-03-2013, 02:12 PM
Front Page Drudge in red.

Thoughts? Propaganda?


Lol.

Is the Pope a Jesuit?

69360
04-03-2013, 02:15 PM
"smashed by... cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means"

They pretty much spelled out that they will use an EMP. One EMP burst over the US and life as we know it in this country is over. They might even have one in orbit right now.

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 02:17 PM
It says:
They can't animate a damn propaganda film better than a 'Celebrity Deathmatch' episode and they want me to take them seriously?

Did you read my above post?

That Drudge even promotes this bs is enough for me to have reservations.

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 02:17 PM
They pretty much spelled out that they will use an EMP. One EMP burst over the US and life as we know it in this country is over. They might even have one in orbit right now.
Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure what thread you originally posted that in but I responded to it. It was about a week or two ago... maybe?

TheTexan
04-03-2013, 02:23 PM
In the unlikely event something does happen, itll either be false flag, or with encouragement from China.

(what does china want more? continued trade with the US, which is diminishing, or collapse dollar and assume position as world's reserve currency and the power and profits that go with that)


I am losing more and more respect for Drudge.

Gonna have to start vetting articles posted from there more thoroughly.

Propaganda. If they feel so froggy they should leap. And I really am getting tired of melodramatics and expensive theatrics. (not referring to you)

I've posted so many times on the North Korea 'threat' that I am starting to get tired of repeating myself.

Simply, Kim Jong Un is a fat and happy man. What motives does he have to risk his lifestyle for? His rhetoric is directed so that his people don't rise up and kill his ass. Nationalism and all that. Them supposedly having EMPs that can disable the lower 48 makes me laugh. Their country is barely lit. What, did they accidently set one off? They have between 4 and 8 nuclear bombs. (at least that is what the war propoganda told me on the news. [Peter King's interview]) We have like 5,000. Even the warmongerers can't monger for that war without inserting a subtle sentence of how absurd it is. Let Kim Jong Un say what he wants. We need to lift the sanctions and embargos. He wouldn't last for long without anti-American rhetoric and our dumbass (I don't think they are dumb, rather, calculating) foreign policy makers. I'm content. Nuclear holocaust this piece of shit to Nibiru. Just for God's sake, quit talking about North Korea. (again that is not directed to you)

TheTexan
04-03-2013, 02:23 PM
In the unlikely event something does happen, itll either be false flag, or with encouragement from China.

(what does china want more? continued trade with the US, which is diminishing, or collapse dollar and assume position as world's reserve currency and the power and profits that go with that)


I am losing more and more respect for Drudge.

Gonna have to start vetting articles posted from there more thoroughly.

Propaganda. If they feel so froggy they should leap. And I really am getting tired of melodramatics and expensive theatrics. (not referring to you)

I've posted so many times on the North Korea 'threat' that I am starting to get tired of repeating myself.

Simply, Kim Jong Un is a fat and happy man. What motives does he have to risk his lifestyle for? His rhetoric is directed so that his people don't rise up and kill his ass. Nationalism and all that. Them supposedly having EMPs that can disable the lower 48 makes me laugh. Their country is barely lit. What, did they accidently set one off? They have between 4 and 8 nuclear bombs. (at least that is what the war propoganda told me on the news. [Peter King's interview]) We have like 5,000. Even the warmongerers can't monger for that war without inserting a subtle sentence of how absurd it is. Let Kim Jong Un say what he wants. We need to lift the sanctions and embargos. He wouldn't last for long without anti-American rhetoric and our dumbass (I don't think they are dumb, rather, calculating) foreign policy makers. I'm content. Nuclear holocaust this piece of shit to Nibiru. Just for God's sake, quit talking about North Korea. (again that is not directed to you)

TaftFan
04-03-2013, 02:29 PM
They can't animate a damn propaganda film better than a 'Celebrity Deathmatch' episode and they want me to take them seriously?

Did you read my above post?

That Drudge even promotes this bs is enough for me to have reservations.

If anybody is creating propaganda, it is the North Korea press agency.

I dont rule out that their leader is crazy enough to try something, but I do think his first priority is to appear to be a strong leader.

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 02:34 PM
If anybody is creating propaganda, it is the North Korea press agency.

I dont rule out that their leader is crazy enough to try something, but I do think his first priority is to appear to be a strong leader.
Do you have any idea of the lifestyle that man has? He has anything he wants at the tips of his fingers. He is undoubtedly more concerned with the impoverished people of his country rising up and removing him from his comfortable palace. So he blames the United States. Now North Koreans can rally around a common enemy.. us. We play right into his hands with our sanctions and embargos. And the cynic that I am, I don't believe this is unintentional, or a failed foreign policy. While the foreign policy would fail when looking at it from a convential measure (encouraging peace and removing Kim Jong Un from power) I think it is rather successful for whatever plans are really being promoted.

Cuba is a prime example.

TaftFan
04-03-2013, 02:43 PM
Do you have any idea of the lifestyle that man has? He has anything he wants at the tips of his fingers. He is undoubtedly more concerned with the impoverished people of his country rising up and removing him from his comfortable palace. So he blames the United States. Now North Koreans can rally around a common enemy.. us. We play right into his hands with our sanctions and embargos. And the cynic that I am, I don't believe this is unintentional, or a failed foreign policy. While the foreign policy would fail when looking at it from a convential measure (encouraging peace and removing Kim Jong Un from power) I think it is rather successful for whatever plans are really being promoted.

Cuba is a prime example.

The threat of loss did not deter Hitler or Mussolini from having dreams of great conquest. Un probably has much less sense of reality than they did.

In fact, they all probably actually believed they were the superior country and they would not be stopped.

I don't support sanctions but with them or not, I am not sure it would change the North Korean's outlook on the U.S. They only get information from state news and America will be blamed regardless.

69360
04-03-2013, 02:48 PM
Do you have any idea of the lifestyle that man has? He has anything he wants at the tips of his fingers. He is undoubtedly more concerned with the impoverished people of his country rising up and removing him from his comfortable palace. So he blames the United States. Now North Koreans can rally around a common enemy.. us. We play right into his hands with our sanctions and embargos. And the cynic that I am, I don't believe this is unintentional, or a failed foreign policy. While the foreign policy would fail when looking at it from a convential measure (encouraging peace and removing Kim Jong Un from power) I think it is rather successful for whatever plans are really being promoted.

Cuba is a prime example.

You assume he is even in charge of the country.

dannno
04-03-2013, 02:48 PM
I wonder how much we are actually fucking with them and the media isn't reporting.

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 02:50 PM
I wonder how much we are actually fucking with them and the media isn't reporting.
Probably a lot.

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 02:51 PM
You assume he is even in charge of the country.
I would imagine that in that same sense, Obama is not in charge of this country. (which he really is not) Though admittedly I do not know much about the North Korean power structure.

ETA: To clarify, my 'in that same sense' was meant if Kim Jong Un is in charge of their military. (which I do believe he is?) I assume you are referring to the speculation that his father's advisors are the true brains behind the operation, so to speak?

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 02:54 PM
The threat of loss did not deter Hitler or Mussolini from having dreams of great conquest. Un probably has much less sense of reality than they did.

In fact, they all probably actually believed they were the superior country and they would not be stopped.

I don't support sanctions but with them or not, I am not sure it would change the North Korean's outlook on the U.S. They only get information from state news and America will be blamed regardless.
The differences between present day North Korea and Nazi Germany are incredible. Germany in 1933 was probably more lit than North Korea is now.

TaftFan
04-03-2013, 02:56 PM
The differences between present day North Korea and Nazi Germany are incredible. Germany in 1933 was probably more lit than North Korea is now.

I was commenting on the mentality of the leaders. I don't view them as rational-instead ideologues.

The Gold Standard
04-03-2013, 02:58 PM
In the unlikely event something does happen, itll either be false flag, or with encouragement from China.

That's what it smells like to me. North Korea can't build a flushing toilet. I'm not worried about their attack. I know the U.S. government wouldn't have any qualms about detonating a nuke in a U.S. city though.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
04-03-2013, 03:15 PM
In the unlikely event something does happen, itll either be false flag, or with encouragement from China.

(what does china want more? continued trade with the US, which is diminishing, or collapse dollar and assume position as world's reserve currency and the power and profits that go with that)



And that is no small prize, as they have seen.

69360
04-03-2013, 03:55 PM
I would imagine that in that same sense, Obama is not in charge of this country. (which he really is not) Though admittedly I do not know much about the North Korean power structure.

ETA: To clarify, my 'in that same sense' was meant if Kim Jong Un is in charge of their military. (which I do believe he is?) I assume you are referring to the speculation that his father's advisors are the true brains behind the operation, so to speak?

Most likely Kim Kyong Hui and Jang Song Theak, his aunt and uncle are running the show. Most of the threats are probably coming from Kim Kyok Sik who's running the military now and was the one responsible for shelling the island and sinking the sub.

talkingpointes
04-03-2013, 04:02 PM
Front Page Drudge in red.Propaganda?

In short, yes. 9/10 Drudge front page articles are bs. So I go by that metric. It doesn't undervalue their comedic value though. :)

DamianTV
04-03-2013, 04:36 PM
So the US does everything in its power to piss off North Korea.

Then it turns back on us and does everything in its power to use North Korea by means of fear mongering to take away more and more from the people.

Then we realize that the Central Bank that controls the US does not have any control over North Korea, and we see this is a continuation of the Banking Coupe De Taut.

Zippyjuan
04-03-2013, 04:39 PM
Yep- we caused North Korea to exploit their own people. Otherwise they would be kind and generous to them.
(sarcasm)

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 04:43 PM
Yep- we caused North Korea to exploit their own people. Otherwise they would be kind and generous to them.
(sarcasm)
Yep. If we didn't impose sanctions and embargos then the people could properly direct their hate the right direction.

(not sarcasm)

kcchiefs6465
04-03-2013, 04:45 PM
Yep- we caused North Korea to exploit their own people. Otherwise they would be kind and generous to them.
(sarcasm)
And by the way, you've been exploited as well.

CPUd
04-03-2013, 06:36 PM
http://i.imgur.com/uLuooFO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6yMZwLX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UeKYZNE.jpg

http://instagram.com/newsjean

supermario21
04-03-2013, 06:40 PM
The threat of loss did not deter Hitler or Mussolini from having dreams of great conquest. Un probably has much less sense of reality than they did.

In fact, they all probably actually believed they were the superior country and they would not be stopped.

I don't support sanctions but with them or not, I am not sure it would change the North Korean's outlook on the U.S. They only get information from state news and America will be blamed regardless.

Yes, but Hitler and especially Mussolini picked on smaller targets first in order to make themselves look threatening. You had Hitler supplying bombers and Mussolini supplying weapons and troops on the side of Franco in the Spanish Civil War, and they overwhelmed the socialist Republicans. Of course they were going to win that. Also, they had well built militaries and at least a reputation of being tough. North Korea makes the Italian Army look like the Germans in terms of strength.

COpatriot
04-03-2013, 06:54 PM
I would love to call up chubby Kim and say (in Korean of course) "Are you gonna bark all day little doggy, or are you gonna bite?"

Lucille
04-03-2013, 07:36 PM
Will Globalists Use North Korea To Trigger Catastrophe?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/guest-post-will-globalists-use-north-korea-trigger-catastrophe


Whenever discussion over North Korea arises in Western circles, it always seems to be accompanied by a strange mixture of sensationalism and indifference. The mainstream media consistently presents the communist nation as an immediate threat to U.S. national security, conjuring an endless number of hypothetical scenarios as to how they could join forces with Al-Qaeda and attack with a terroristic strategy. At the same time, the chest puffing of the late Kim Jong-iL and the standard fare of hyper-militant rhetoric on the part of the North Korean government in general seem to have lulled the American public into a trance of non-concern.

In the midst of the latest tensions with the North Koreans, I have found that most people are barely tracking developments and that, when confronted by the idea of war, they shrug it off as if it is a laughable concept. “Surely” they claim, “The North is just posturing as they always have.”

The high-focus propaganda attacking North Korea on our side and the puffer fish methodology on their side have created a social and political atmosphere surrounding our relations with the Asian nation that I believe places both sides of the Pacific in great danger. North Korea has the potential to become a trigger point for multiple economic catastrophes, and there are people in this world who would be happy to use such crises to serve their own interests.
[...]
As far as being an imminent physical threat to the United States, it really depends on the scenario. The North Koreans have almost no logistical capability to support an invasion of any kind. The nation has been suffering from epidemic famine for well more than a decade.

To initiate a war outright has never been in the best interests of the North Koreans, simply because their domestic infrastructure would not be able to handle the strain. However, there is indeed a scenario in which North Korea could be influenced to use military force despite apprehension.

With the ever looming threat of famine comes the ever looming threat of citizen revolution. When any government is faced with the possibility of being supplanted, it will almost always lash out viciously in order to maintain power and control, no matter the cost. Sanctions like those being implemented by the West against North Korea today, at the very edge of national famine, could destabilize the country entirely. I believe the North would do anything to avoid an internal insurgency scenario, including attacking South Korea to acquire food stores and energy reserves, as well as other tangible modes of wealth.

North Korea’s standing army, obtained through mandatory two year conscription, is estimated at about 1.1 million active personnel; very close to the numbers active in the U.S. armed forces. But North Korean reserves are estimated at more than 8 million, compared to only 800,000 in the United States. If made desperate by economic sanctions, the North Koreans could field a massive army that would wreak havoc in the South and be very difficult to root out on their home turf. Asian cultures have centuries of experience using asymmetric warfare (the kryptonite of the U.S. military), and I do not believe it is wise to take such a possible conflict lightly, as many Americans seem to do. It is easy to forget that the last Korean War did not work out so well for us. At best, we would be mired in on-ground operations for years (just like Iraq and Afghanistan) or perhaps even decades. Like North Korea, we also do not have the logistical economic means to enter into another such war.

The skeptics argue that we will never get to this point, though, because North Korea has brandished and blustered many times before, all resulting in nothing. I see recent events being far different and more urgent than in the past, and here’s why:
[...]
As I have discussed in numerous articles, China, the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, has positioned itself to decouple from the American consumer and the dollar. This is no longer a theoretical process as it was in 2008, but a very real and nearly completed one. Mainstream analysts often claim China would never break from the dollar because it would damage their export markets and their investment holdings. The problem is, China is already dumping the dollar using bilateral trade agreements with numerous developing nations, Australia being the latest to abandon the greenback.

China isn’t just talking about it; China is doing it.

The development of a decoupled China is part of a larger push by international banks to remove the dollar as the world reserve currency and replace it with a new global currency. This currency already exists. The International Monetary Fund’s Special Drawing Rights (SDR) is a mechanism backed by a basket of currencies as well as gold. The introduction of the SDR on a wide scale is dependent on only two things:


First, China has been designated the replacement consumer engine in the wake of a U.S. collapse. They have already surpassed the United States as the No. 1 trading power in the world. However, they must spread their own currency, the Yuan, throughout global markets in order to aid the IMF in removing the dollar. China has recently announced a program to sell more than $6 trillion in Yuan denominated bonds to foreign investors, easily fulfilling this need.

Second, China and the IMF need a scapegoat event, a rationale for dumping the dollar that the masses would accept as logical. A U.S. invasion of North Korea could easily offer that rationale.

While China has been playing the good Samaritan in relations with the United States in dealing with North Korea and has supported (at least on paper) certain measures including sanctions, China will never be in support of Western combat actions in the Pacific so close to their territory. The kind of U.S. or NATO presence a war with North Korea would generate would be entirely unacceptable to the Chinese, who do not need to respond using arms. Rather, all they have to do to get rid of us would be to fully dump the dollar and threaten to cut off trade relations with any other country that won’t do the same. The domino effect would be devastating, causing U.S. costs to skyrocket and forcing us to pull troops out of the region. At the same time, the dollar would be labeled a “casualty of war” rather than a casualty of conspiratorial global banking designs, and the financial elites would be removed from blame.

Ultimately, we should take the North Korean situation seriously not because of the wild-eyed propaganda of the mainstream media and not because they are “doing business with terrorists” or because they are a “violent and barbaric relic of nationalism,” but because a war in North Korea serves the more malicious interests of globalization. No matter what happens in the near future, it is important for Americans to always question the true motives behind any event and ask ourselves who, in the end, truly benefited.

alucard13mmfmj
04-03-2013, 07:41 PM
In the unlikely event something does happen, itll either be false flag, or with encouragement from China.

(what does china want more? continued trade with the US, which is diminishing, or collapse dollar and assume position as world's reserve currency and the power and profits that go with that)

im chinese-american.. do you think the chinese overlords will have mercy on me? hahaha.

im kinda scared that my fellow americans will turn on me.. just as they did with the japanese and muslims.

kinda sucks. im enemy of china and probably enemy with a few hardheaded, racist americans ;s

AFPVet
04-04-2013, 11:49 AM
They pretty much spelled out that they will use an EMP. One EMP burst over the US and life as we know it in this country is over. They might even have one in orbit right now.

Except the government will not be affected since most of 'their' computers are shielded. In fact, you could shield your own computer if you know what you're doing, but that's not going to be much use if everything else is down. What some people don't know that it's less about the actual device... but the cables attached to the device that pose more of a threat when an EMP is activated.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1219/p25s02-stct.html

bolil
04-04-2013, 11:58 AM
Meh, North Korea has nukes. China is willing to go to war to keep their buffer. There will be no war with North Korea. Iran, however, is a different story altogether.

pcosmar
04-04-2013, 12:05 PM
Meh, North Korea has nukes. China is willing to go to war to keep their buffer. There will be no war with North Korea. Iran, however, is a different story altogether.

My thinking as well.

A distraction from events in the ME..
That is where WWIII will kick off.