NY: EMT pushes cop out of ambulance to protect patient's dignity, gets arrested.

[Nirvikalpa]

Good guy NY EMT:

http://www.ems1.com/fire-ems/articles/1426275-EMT-shoves-cop-out-of-ambulance-gets-arrested/


NEW YORK — An FDNY medic was briefly arrested yesterday for allegedly shoving a cop from the back of an ambulance while a stricken woman was being treated inside, sources said.

Andrew Haley got into a beef with the transit officer when ambulances responded to the subway station at Fourth Avenue and Pacific Street in Boerum Hill at around 8:30 a.m. to aid a 59-year-old woman with chest pains.

Haley was about to give her an electrocardiogram when the unidentified cop asked her for information.

Haley then told the officer to leave and to shut the ambulance door because the unidentified woman's breasts would be exposed during the procedure, the sources said.

When the cop refused, Haley allegedly shoved him and the two got into an argument, with the cop shouting, "Get your hands off me!" and each calling for a supervisor, the sources said.

Cops cuffed Haley and he was taken to Transit District Precinct 32 nearby, while other EMS workers brought the woman to the hospital.

"The EMT was arrested for obstructing governmental administration. That arrest was voided," Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said later yesterday.

"Some dispute arose inside the ambulance, the EMT wanted the police officer to leave. The police officer didn't want to leave. So that is the nature of the dispute."

Haley, who has been commended by the department for his lifesaving heroics at least twice, was led out of the station house at about 1 p.m. by an FDNY captain. He could not be reached for comment.

I hope he doesn't lose his job over this. If it was my mother, my aunt, any female family member of mine, I would love to know a male EMT out there cares about the dignity of them.

[heavenlyboy34]

Awesome. :) EMTs are fantabulous. :cool:

[The Gold Standard]

He's lucky he wasn't tased, beaten, or shot to death.

[Anti Federalist]

"No mere Mundane is going to lay his hands on me!"

Good for this man.

[Anti Federalist]

Even when you are dying, you will comply with demands for information.

[kylejack]

It would be great if the cop lost his job. Too bad it's NYPD.

[phill4paul]

EMT ( Public Servant ) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Police ( Public Hero )

[sailingaway]

oh for....

[TheTexan]

It would be great if the cop lost his job. Too bad it's NYPD.

As far as I know there are only 4 ways a cop can lose his/her job
1) Betray the thin blue line
2) Have a video uploaded to youtube of you committing a crime, or be threatened with such
3) Piss off a senator/representative
4) Cause an uproar with thousands of people protesting

As far as I know, option 1 is the only sure way to lose your job. With options 2-4 you're still much more likely to get a paid vacation than actually get fired

[mac_hine]

I'm sure many of us remember this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz_cMGBt2HI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIaUc-_eV6M

[angelatc]

I clicked just to see if the ambulance was moving at the time...

[AGRP]

Cops and dignity?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrdoqjrELh1r2hybuo1_500.gif

[Nirvikalpa]

Comments from EMTs make it even better:


There was a couple of different ways to approach that situation. But regardless of what happened, the officer was in the wrong! He should have just waited to interview her at the hospital especially if she had life threatening injuries.
29 minutes ago · Like · 1

I would push a cop. Most of them are on a power trip and need to be put back in place anyway.
29 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 5

Police always act as they are above the law.
28 minutes ago · Like · 2

the cop refused to get off the back of the bus. the medic needed to do a 12 lead and expose the patient's chest, including her bare breast. the medic wanted was thinking about HIPAA and the patient's dignity. the cop comes off like a perv who had his ego hurt

Some police officers need to learn to wait their turn. I personally believe ruling out an MI or something just as dangerous supersedes his damn report.

The pt is in the bus. The medic has control over everything. If they asked to officer to step out and didn't then yes he would get escorted out one way or another.

Move it or lose it cop..the pt is the first priority any questions follow behind but get out the way!!!

Cops should stop interfering with pt care... there was no reason the cop couldn't have shut the door to give the pt privacy ... care cant stop because the cop wants it to... the cop could have followed the ambulance to the hospital to get info from the medic... if that cop made the medic stop and the pt died because the medic was tied up with the cop instead of doing there job and treating... the cop and NYPD would have had a lot of explaining to do!!! Unacceptable behavior from a cop

I kicked a State Trooper out one time. He decided that interrogating my critically-injured patient and brow-beating him in the back of my truck was just a dandy idea. I didn't agree. I won.

I had a police officer in my hometown interfere with patient care and then threaten to give me a ticket for driving signal 10 to the accident. We are a private service, but there is also a county service. We were advised to respond by our dispatcher. I gave him about 3 seconds to either stop interfering with pt care or write me a ticket. Needless to say I won that game. Last time I checked I have a cert and our ambulance says "ambulance" on it...

[AGRP]

Cops should stop interfering with pt care... there was no reason the cop couldn't have shut the door to give the pt privacy ... care cant stop because the cop wants it to... the cop could have followed the ambulance to the hospital to get info from the medic... if that cop made the medic stop and the pt died because the medic was tied up with the cop instead of doing there job and treating... the cop and NYPD would have had a lot of explaining to do!!! Unacceptable behavior from a cop

Theres no reason for common sense when one wears a magical suit.

[Philhelm]

As far as I know there are only 4 ways a cop can lose his/her job
2) Have a video uploaded to youtube of you committing a crime, or be threatened with such.

Even that one is hit or miss.

[phill4paul]

Even that one is hit or miss.



As far as I know, option 1 is the only sure way to lose your job. ;)

[Philhelm]

;)

I was being careless.

[kylejack]

For example, Patrick Pogan who tackled a Critical Mass cyclist qualified for 2 and 4. NYPD fired him and he was prosecuted and convicted. The judge sentenced him to: Nothing. No seriously, nothing. No anger management, no probation, NOTHING.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXzRczBk06M

They did at least fire him, though.

[seapilot]

That police person better hope that if they ever need urgent medical care that EMT is not the one that shows up first. Oh hey officer blah, I remember last time I saw you were arresting me for caring for a patient. Not good to piss off the people that might one day save your ass, that cop was dumb as a bag of rocks for not respecting the EMT.

[tangent4ronpaul]

The cops usually like to keep on good terms with us. We save their asses!

-t

[heavenlyboy34]

That police person better hope that if they ever need urgent medical care that EMT is not the one that shows up first. Oh hey officer blah, I remember last time I saw you were arresting me for caring for a patient. Not good to piss off the people that might one day save your ass, that cop was dumb as a bag of rocks for not respecting the EMT.
That EMT also ought to spread the word about that cop to other EMTs in the state. People need to start ostracizing and generally fighting back against these assclowns...this is a War On US. :mad:

[shane77m]

That EMT also ought to spread the word about that cop to other EMTs in the state. People need to start ostracizing and generally fighting back against these assclowns...this is a War On US. :mad:

Sounds like someone is trying to stir up an insurrection. Duly noted and reported.

[heavenlyboy34]

Sounds like someone is trying to stir up an insurrection. Duly noted and reported.
Cool beans. Maybe the Thought Police will come for me this time. Seems like I've been reported a zillion times, but I never get disappeared or even a nasty phone call. I am disappoint in Big Sister.

[RickyJ]

I am not quite sure I understand this. The FD medic was going to do a electrocardiogram on a woman and the cop wanted some information related to a crime I suppose. Well, if that information could have helped solved the case and catch the perpetrator then what exactly was the problem? This medic was a man just like the officer, I'm sure the woman would rather it be another woman, but in a her state she probably wasn't too concerned with a man looking at her breasts. If the woman didn't object to this, then the medic shouldn't have pushed the officer out of the ambulance.

[RickyJ]

As far as I know there are only 4 ways a cop can lose his/her job
1) Betray the thin blue line
2) Have a video uploaded to youtube of you committing a crime, or be threatened with such
3) Piss off a senator/representative
4) Cause an uproar with thousands of people protesting

As far as I know, option 1 is the only sure way to lose your job. With options 2-4 you're still much more likely to get a paid vacation than actually get fired

You forgot to list a way cops lose their jobs, they get killed.

[sailingaway]

I am not quite sure I understand this. The FD medic was going to do a electrocardiogram on a woman and the cop wanted some information related to a crime I suppose. Well, if that information could have helped solved the case and catch the perpetrator then what exactly was the problem? This medic was a man just like the officer, I'm sure the woman would rather it be another woman, but in a her state she probably wasn't too concerned with a man looking at her breasts. If the woman didn't object to this, then the medic shouldn't have pushed the officer out of the ambulance.

The woman would have rather the police officer got his information after her heart was beating, and without him there during the process. I can say this with confidence. The EMT was a needed participant, not a gawker.

Why on earth wouldn't he leave when a medic trying to start someone's heart asked him to? Nothing he wanted to ask was more important than starting her heart.

[QuickZ06]

EMT'S RULE!!!!!!

[sailingaway]

You forgot to list a way cops lose their jobs, they get killed.

Sure, a lot of cops are great guys. But this seems like he was a tin pot tyrant, to me. Arresting the EMT who told him to leave because he had to undo someone's clothes and he wasnt part of the medical team?

[Professor8000]

I am not quite sure I understand this. The FD medic was going to do a electrocardiogram on a woman and the cop wanted some information related to a crime I suppose. Well, if that information could have helped solved the case and catch the perpetrator then what exactly was the problem? This medic was a man just like the officer, I'm sure the woman would rather it be another woman, but in a her state she probably wasn't too concerned with a man looking at her breasts. If the woman didn't object to this, then the medic shouldn't have pushed the officer out of the ambulance.

A police officer has no right to interfere with emergency medical care. Heart patients can be killed just by stress. The police officer was not doing anything remotely appropriate by interfering with the EMTs. The guy was a jackass on a power trip.

[RickyJ]

The woman would have rather the police officer got his information after her heart was beating, and without him there during the process. I can say this with confidence. The EMT was a needed participant, not a gawker.

Why on earth wouldn't he leave when a medic trying to start someone's heart asked him to? Nothing he wanted to ask was more important than starting her heart.

An electrocardiogram can used to check to see if a patient had a heart attack, it is not used to start a heart. Yes, the officer was probably being an ass here, but the medic's first priority was to do his job as quickly as possible for his patient, he didn't accomplish that by getting in a fight with a police officer.

[RickyJ]

A police officer has no right to interfere with emergency medical care. Heart patients can be killed just by stress. The police officer was not doing anything remotely appropriate by interfering with the EMTs. The guy was a jackass on a power trip.

I agree, but the medic didn't help matters for his patient by getting in a fight with the officer.

[heavenlyboy34]

I agree, but the medic didn't help matters for his patient by getting in a fight with the officer. The medic was an advocate for and defender of his patient. Those folks typically take their duty deadly seriously. If you were in charge of a potentially life/death matter, you would likely be pissed at someone trying to interfere with your job too. EMTs have a seriously high-stress job. Cops, not so much. As AF has pointed out, being a cop is one of the least risky, lowest stress jobs out there.

[Professor8000]

The medic was an advocate for and defender of his patient. Those folks typically take their duty deadly seriously. If you were in charge of a potentially life/death matter, you would likely be pissed at someone trying to interfere with your job too. EMTs have a seriously high-stress job. Cops, not so much. As AF has pointed out, being a cop is one of the least risky, lowest stress jobs out there.

Law Enforcement, even in private security like myself, is rarely low stress. While the job security with police is too amazing, it's far from low risk. I'm not defending cops, but dealing with people in heightened emotional states can be very risky if you don't maintain control of the situation and keep a level head. The reality that unknown situations with unknown individuals can lead to violence for any number of reasons makes for a pretty high baseline of stress.

I managed to hit the jackpot with my job in that I just sit in the lobby of an office building overnight in a nice neighborhood and surf the web all night. So I manage to relax a lot at work, however my situation is the exception to the rule.

[heavenlyboy34]

Law Enforcement, even in private security like myself, is rarely low stress. While the job security with police is too amazing, it's far from low risk. I'm not defending cops, but dealing with people in heightened emotional states can be very risky if you don't maintain control of the situation and keep a level head. The reality that unknown situations with unknown individuals can lead to violence for any number of reasons makes for a pretty high baseline of stress.

I managed to hit the jackpot with my job in that I just sit in the lobby of an office building overnight in a nice neighborhood and surf the web all night. So I manage to relax a lot at work, however my situation is the exception to the rule.
I meant in the grand scheme of the job universe. AF has a lot more info on this than I do. Hit him up for all the details.

You want stressful-try construction work on a skyscraper. Welding and such are difficult in themselves, and doing it at 100's or 1000's of feet in the air on an I beam or perhaps a crane or something makes it insanely stressful. ETA: Doing construction or repair work underground is pretty damned stressful too!

I have a helluva lot more respect for those blue collar guys who risk life and limb to improve everyone's lives than cops-who are a net drain on society and individuals.

ETA 2: Deep respect for you being in the security business, sir. :cool: People like you really make the world a better, safer place. :) ~hugs~

[phill4paul]

Law Enforcement, even in private security like myself, is rarely low stress. While the job security with police is too amazing, it's far from low risk. I'm not defending cops, but dealing with people in heightened emotional states can be very risky if you don't maintain control of the situation and keep a level head. The reality that unknown situations with unknown individuals can lead to violence for any number of reasons makes for a pretty high baseline of stress.

I managed to hit the jackpot with my job in that I just sit in the lobby of an office building overnight in a nice neighborhood and surf the web all night. So I manage to relax a lot at work, however my situation is the exception to the rule.

I've delivered pizzas in neighborhoods that would stress you out. Lol.

[Professor8000]

I've delivered pizzas in neighborhoods that would stress you out. Lol.

Word on the street is that pizza delivery is pretty sketchy in some places.

[shane77m]

Cool beans. Maybe the Thought Police will come for me this time. Seems like I've been reported a zillion times, but I never get disappeared or even a nasty phone call. I am disappoint in Big Sister.

She's just letting you dig your hole a little deeper.

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[whippoorwill]

Even when you are dying, you will comply with demands for information.

Right? WTF!