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ronpaulfan
11-24-2007, 03:53 PM
For Dr. Ron Earnest Paul to win the nomination, we are pulling in voters from numerous sources:


New voters from the internet
Disenfranchised Republican conservatives
Independents who are tired of both parties
Libertarians


We're also targeting rank & file Republicans by emphasizing how in the past, the Republican party stood for balanced budgets and humble foreign policies before the neo-cons hijacked the party.

Many Democrats are also attracted to our platform. We can increase our numbers even more by specifically targetting supporters of other Democratic candidates. If you look carefully at their supporters, I believe Barack Hussein Obama's supporters (Excluding Dennis John Kucinich of course) are the most likely to come over (they want us out of Iraq, they're young and they don't like Hillary Rodham Clinton).

I'm brainstorming specific ways to pull those supporters over to our side, any ideas?

Some other candidates have been targeting us (mainly Huckabeans). But I'm now seeing this coming from Mike Robert Gravel's camp (a lot of spam on YouTube).

Brian Bailey
11-24-2007, 03:56 PM
I think that many Obama supporters are by nature sympathetic to our positions and don't necessarily require any specific targeting. Simply coming into contact with Dr. Paul's message will be sufficient to convert many of them, in my opinion.

I'll be interested to see the sorts of suggestions people give you.

ronpaulfan
11-24-2007, 03:57 PM
Awww!! Come on!!! Whats wrong with this one?!?!

gtjwkq
11-24-2007, 03:58 PM
Just point them to www.obamala.com

Bryan
11-24-2007, 04:03 PM
Awww!! Come on!!! Whats wrong with this one?!?!

Nothings wrong (other thank you didn't use Huckabees name properly) this is the place where we discuss how to win supporters over to Dr. Paul- it provides a good reference group for others to learn from without them being buried in the Grassroots section.

fedup100
11-24-2007, 04:17 PM
Just win over Opra, apparently she is his only real supporter.

GML3G
11-24-2007, 04:30 PM
Meh, I wouldn't say that they're all very sympathetic to our message. I've met with a few and they're all for government intervention in everything imaginable. One thought we are currently moving in the direction of a free market, when government is intervening more than ever. Capitalism = evil to some of them - I won't generalize, though.

Lew Rockwell Jr. pointed out something interesting in a lecture of his - how the more educated a person is, the more inclined he is towards socialist thinking. He says how Hayek might have said that this has to do with the hubris of the intellectual and how they think they can come up with a better social order than the one freedom can create. He says Mises might have said that being drawn to the state has to do resentment by intellectuals of not being as valued by society as are entrepreneurs and sports and music stars.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe in another lecture had some pretty things to say in defense of a free market. He pointed out though that government has no incentive to do things efficiently, as it always has "profits" coming in in the form of taxes, which it can impose. As a result, anything it undertakes is more costly and of lower quality. It uses up as many resources as possible while working as little as possible.

The latter lecture is a very convincing one on the free market.

There are plenty of books and lectures floating around that make excellent cases for a free market. However, as Milton Friedman states in Capitalism and Freedom, it's not the persuasiveness of those preaching these ideas that will change political climate, but rather present day empirical evidence that proves that socialism does not work. So, it wouldn't be an efficient use of our time to try and convince the hardcore "liberals."

/rant. Sorry about the roundabout. lol

ClassicalLiberal
11-24-2007, 05:13 PM
The first thing you can do to win over Obama supporters is to stop using his middle name every time you mention him. The fact that Ann Coulter does it is enough, in the minds of Obama supporters, to destroy the credibility of anyone else who does it. I happen to be from Illinois. I basically like Barack Obama, although I disagree with him on any number of issues, especially his national health insurance plan. Early this year I read his book, The Audacity of Hope, to see if I couldn't find sufficient reasons to support him. On balance I was favorably impressed, but not persuaded. But, if my first encounter with the Ron Paul Revolution was with someone trying win my support from Barack Hussein Obama, the discussion would have ended there.

Corydoras
11-24-2007, 05:52 PM
The first thing you can do to win over Obama supporters is to stop using his middle name every time you mention him. The fact that Ann Coulter does it is enough, in the minds of Obama supporters, to destroy the credibility of anyone else who does it.

I agree. Actually, he grew up being called Barry. I don't know when he switched away from that.

lastnymleft
11-24-2007, 08:23 PM
Just point them to www.obamala.com

+1. The video to which that link points is probably my favorite. One hour of unrushed, absolute common sense. I don't see how anybody could not fall for him, if they LISTEN to what he is saying there. Combine that with the endorsement of the obamala.com guy, and it should be a lock. Tell them to google(obamala.com) to verify the authenticity of the guy.

I agree about dropping the "Hussein" bit from any reference to him. There's no reason it should be quoted, and it therefore seems done with ill-will, and is petty to do so.

jmdrake
11-25-2007, 07:00 PM
The first thing you can do to win over Obama supporters is to stop using his middle name every time you mention him. The fact that Ann Coulter does it is enough, in the minds of Obama supporters, to destroy the credibility of anyone else who does it. I happen to be from Illinois. I basically like Barack Obama, although I disagree with him on any number of issues, especially his national health insurance plan. Early this year I read his book, The Audacity of Hope, to see if I couldn't find sufficient reasons to support him. On balance I was favorably impressed, but not persuaded. But, if my first encounter with the Ron Paul Revolution was with someone trying win my support from Barack Hussein Obama, the discussion would have ended there.

I was thinking the same thing myself. You don't win any points by using a neocon chant.

The way to win over Barak supporters is to find something that they disagree with him on. The basic issue for many will be the war. When Barak Obama during one of the debates wouldn't promise to have the troops out of Iraq by 2013 and said it "depended on the situation on the ground" he REALLY shot himself in the foot. After all even Bush would say that if "conditions on the ground were right" he'd pull out of Iraq. (I wouldn't believe him. But he would say that.)

The second thing that comes immediately to mind is the whole "Donnie McClurklin" controversy. Frankly I think Obama screwed up by not fully standing behind Donnie for the same of some hate filled gay activists who just can't understand how a rape victim (Donnie McClurklin) might not look at his experience as a "curse". Donnie McClurklin clearly said in the documentary about his life that he is "not trying to change anyone that doesn't want to change." But that's not good enough for the "once gay always gay" fanatics. Barak should have just said Donnie is simply going by his own experience but instead he threw out some goofy line about "fighting homophobia in the black community". Reaching out to rape victims is NOT homophobia.

Of course you have to know who the position of the person you're talking to. Maybe it's someone that doesn't like Donnie McClurklin. Or maybe it's someone that's still in "We broke it we bought it" mode when it comes to Iraq even though most of us had nothing to do with the war decision.

Regards,

John M. Drake