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Anti Federalist
03-30-2013, 07:31 PM
State grants Secret Service vast new powers

http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/state-grants-secret-service-vast-new-powers/#rdMemWXFGAjx7PZS.99

A bill is heading to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper’s desk that Republican lawmakers say would give members of the Secret Service broad arrest powers in the state and could provide a framework for federal agents eventually to enforce gun restrictions.

“This is absolutely insane,” Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, said. “In theory if a Secret Service agent is in a county where the sheriff has refused to enforce some of the recent unenforceable gun laws, the agent could arrest an individual if he believes the law has been broken.”

The idea actually aligns with an Obama agenda to create vast new restrictions and regulations on guns. WND has reported that hundreds of sheriffs nationwide, including many in Colorado, have said they cannot enforce federal restrictions that would violate the Second Amendment.

In Colorado, Weld County Sheriff John Cooke said he and many other county sheriffs “won’t bother” with several laws poised to go into effect in Colorado because they would be impossible to enforce.

One of the laws would require private sellers to do a background check on purchasers in private gun transaction, but the sheriffs wonder how to keep track of whether gun owners are meeting the new requirements.

Cooke said many new gun laws are “feel-good, knee-jerk reactions that are unenforceable” and would “give a false sense of security.”

Cooke said he and other sheriffs are considering filing a lawsuit to block the laws. And sheriffs in other parts of the nation agree, with more than 340 already banding together to promise to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

The Colorado Legislature also passed a bill putting a 15-round limit on ammunition magazines.

The new bill regarding the Secret Service, SB-13-013, passed on a nearly party line vote in the Democrat-controlled House and is now awaiting the governor’s signature. The bill grants members of the Secret Service arrest powers by considering them to be a peace officer, putting them on a par with state law-enforcement officials with respect to arrest authority.

The legislation does not only apply to agents guarding the president or other government officials but also to special agents, uniformed division officers, physical security technicians, physical security specialists and special officers of the United States Secret Service.

Republican lawmakers say that when they asked why the bill was needed they were given a series of conflicting answers.

Sen. Kevin Lundberg, R-Berthoud, said he was told the purpose of the bill was to make it easier to hold a person for mental health reasons.

“When I asked in committee why they need this I was told it was so we can exercise 72-hour mental holds on our own citizens,” Lundberg said.

“I found it curious that this was the big reason they thought they needed it. Currently a police officer, doctor, psychiatrists, registered nurses and other professionals just on the strength of their word can say they want a person taken against their will and put in a mental institution for up to three business days, meaning it could be even longer if it was over the weekend, for an evaluation as to whether they are mentally sane or a danger to themselves or others.”

Sen. Vicki Marble, R-Fort Collins, said despite the bill being sponsored by a fellow Republican, the 72-hour mental hold caught the attention of several Republicans in the Senate.

“This was one of the big flags for us in the bill,” Marble said. “It’s very suspicious because we have the separation of federal, state and even the local police services. Everyone has their own jurisdiction, and there is a special reason for keeping federal agents away.

“No federal authority should have the ability to detain somebody for 72 hours,” she said. “If there is a legitimate reason for doing so for someone who is mentally ill, that should come at the local level where people in the community know one another.”

Marble said the mental hold was the reason the bill slipped under the radar.

“The mental health hold was what they testified to in committee, and that was the big thing they didn’t want to get out, but it does give them the authority to put that hold on people.”

Lundberg said the big concern is that the bill essentially places members of the Secret Service on an equal footing with law-enforcement, without being constrained by jurisdictional issues.

“If you look at the bill, it says they can operate alongside of local police authorities and function as equals you might say,” he said. “However, when you read it carefully it basically gives them state police power so whatever power a regular policeman such as the state patrol, sheriff’s office or local police has they will have also.”

However, in debate on the House side, Saine said she was given a different reason for why legislators needed to pass the bill.

“Rep. Jared Wright was talking about how when he was in committee he asked several times why they needed it, and the reason given was if there was a motorcade and something happened during the procession the Secret Service needed the authority to arrest the perpetrators,” Saine said.

“Then we were told by the sponsor that’s not it, it’s because they were going to help our local law enforcement and sheriffs with check and wire fraud. However, check and wire fraud are not mentioned anywhere in the bill,” she said.

The bill states that the agents are automatically granted peace officer status when several conditions apply. For instance, if the agent is responding to a non-federal felony or misdemeanor being committed in their presence, he has the full authority to arrest any Colorado citizen.

The bill also gives the Secret Service agents wide discretion to arrest citizens based merely on probable cause that a non-federal felony or misdemeanor involving injury or threat of injury to a person or property has been or is being committed.

Lundberg said one of the problems with bills like this is they start out by giving broad authority to a government agency or entity, then they place language later in the bill that appears to restrict that authority in an attempt to provide cover for those expressing alarm about the language.

“Often in laws like this they will give broad authority in one section, then later in another section they will have wording which appears to restrict the authority,” he explained. “Unlike the state’s law enforcement, the Secret Service would not have any jurisdictional concerns. Under this bill they can go anywhere in the state of Colorado regardless of jurisdiction.”

But Wright, a former law-enforcement official, told Marble the Secret Service told him their current policies would prohibit them from arresting Colorado citizens under the bill’s provisions.

“They told Jared that making an arrest of a Colorado citizen for a misdemeanor crime unrelated to their own duties would actually violate their own guidelines,” Marble said. “So his question was why are we passing a law that violates their own internal policies.”

In Texas, a Democrat in the state legislature has proposed a bill that would allow the state to remove an elected sheriff for refusing to enforce the law. The bill defines law as including any rule, regulation, executive order, court order, statute or constitutional provision.

After the passage of a several gun control laws, which would among other things restrict magazine size and prohibit private sales between individuals without a background check, several sheriffs have said the laws are unenforceable and they will not enforce what they call unconstitutional laws.

Under Colorado law, the only individual with the authority to arrest a sheriff is the coroner.

Saine said she believes the bill is intended to be used as a foundation for later legislation that will surrender still greater control to federal officials.

“There’ve been so many explanations for the reasons they really need this bill passed. So what is it really?” Saine asked. “I believe it is intended to be used for setting up a framework so that at some other time they could expand it to possibly include being able to arrest a sheriff who is refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws. They would justify it by saying that since we’ve already given the Secret Service this ability, why not give them just one more?”

Lundberg said he agrees with Saine’s assessment that the bill could be used to expand federal power beyond what is stated in its language.

“It does give Secret Service powers in a broad sense, but I’m not sure the changes as stated will automatically change things significantly. It’s not a broad overreach, but it is an overreach. It’s one more step in the wrong direction.”

Lundberg said rather than expanding the ability of federal officials, state and local officials should be looking for opportunities to stand up against federal intervention in local affairs.

“I believe sheriffs can enforce their authority,” Lundberg said. “I also think we need to draw the line as clearly as we can and at every opportunity to say the states are in charge, not the federal government.”

WND has reported that sheriffs across the country are expressing concern that they cannot enforce a Washington mandate that clearly violates the Second Amendment.

A growing list of now more than 340 sheriffs who have reportedly vowed to uphold the Constitution against efforts to undermine Americans’ gun rights is being accumulated by the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.

As WND also reported, Cooke said he is getting political pressure to support the laws. He said he received an email chain pointing out that Senate Majority Leader John Morse, a Democrat, said if a salary bill were introduced, it would not be until late in the session, after the gun-control bills had been voted on.

Cooke said while he’s not willing to conclude the emails meet the legal definition of extortion, it was apparent that was the intent.

“When you look at the email, I don’t see how you could look at it any other way,” Cooke said. “It definitely implied the reason a pay raise bill was being held up was to punish us for our stance against these gun bills. Then they had another email suggesting if we were to support this bill, it would look better for us and maybe we can get a bill introduced for a raise.

“To me, that didn’t sit well at all. I’m not willing to say its extortion yet, but it just looked bad. We were not willing to compromise on our principles. We felt the bill was bad, and we were not going to support it.”

The sheriff’s pushback against the gun measures is significant because Democratic lawmakers are crafting similar bills in other states.

“The bills are a model for what they’ll try to push in Congress,” said Independence Institute research director and Denver University law professor Dave Kopel.

“Colorado is a pawn for the Obama-Biden plan,” he added.

In fact, Vice-President Joe Biden called undecided Democrats and pushed for passage of the bills. Obama is scheduled to visit the state in just a few days.

While some see the measures as models for other states, laws that preserve gun rights are gaining momentum.

The first of these was the Firearms Freedom Act passed in Montana, which says any firearms made and retained in-state are beyond the authority of Congress under its constitutional power to regulate commerce among the states.

Lawmakers in other states are now following suit.

Two senators in Ohio have introduced a bill which would prohibit firearms seizures, registration and bans in their state.

A bill in Kentucky would prohibit the state from enforcing new federal gun-control laws, if enacted.

Idaho’s House passed a bill that would criminalize enforcing any new federal laws that ban, restrict, confiscate or require registration of firearms or ammunition in violation of the state’s constitution.

A bill in Louisiana would prohibit the enforcement of federal restrictions regarding the ownership or possession of semi-automatic firearms.

A bill that would prohibit the enforcement of federal gun laws passed in the House Public Safety Committee in Oklahoma.

The Texas House is considering a measure to prevent state and local police from enforcing new federal gun-control measures.

A bill in Arizona would make it a felony for the federal government to enforce new laws or regulations on guns, accessories and ammunition owned or manufactured in the state.

And a bill in Michigan would exempt firearms and firearms accessories made and sold exclusively in Michigan from federal gun restrictions.

Some of the strongest language to that effect has come from Utah, where 28 of the state’s 29 elected sheriffs signed a letter to President Obama warning him not to send federal agents to start confiscating guns.

Similarly, in New Mexico in January, 30 of the state’s 33 county sheriffs paid a visit to the state house, reminding the governor and state congressmen that a sheriff’s job is to defend the Constitution, including the Second Amendment.

aGameOfThrones
03-30-2013, 07:37 PM
Color me Red!

RonPaulFanInGA
03-30-2013, 08:00 PM
The Democrats finally have everything in Colorado (State House, State Senate, Governorship) and they are just running hog wild with it. Trying to shove as much insane crap through as possible before 2014.

Origanalist
03-30-2013, 08:03 PM
The Democrats finally have everything in Colorado (State House, State Senate, Governorship) and they are just running hog wild with it. Trying to shove as much insane crap through as possible before 2014.

Well, they are the express train to hell.

Czolgosz
03-30-2013, 08:04 PM
Yes! Hope it passes.

Origanalist
03-30-2013, 08:11 PM
I can't imagine what it must feel like to have lived in Colorado all your life and watch it get taken over by progressive lunitics. Oh, wait a minute.......

torchbearer
03-30-2013, 08:13 PM
no stopping the crazy train. let's pick up the steam!

RonPaulFanInGA
03-30-2013, 08:14 PM
I can't imagine what it must feel like to have lived in Colorado all your life and watch it get taken over by progressive lunitics. Oh, wait a minute.......

Colorado is being invaded by California residents. They flee their own hellhole, then create a new one in an innocent state.

Kind of like New Hampshire and Massachusetts. It's a war of attrition the Free State Project is going to lose.

phill4paul
03-30-2013, 08:15 PM
The Democrats finally have everything in Colorado (State House, State Senate, Governorship) and they are just running hog wild with it. Trying to shove as much insane crap through as possible before 2014.

Funny that libertarians are referred to constantly as not caring about infringements of rights as long as they can smoke a joint. Seems that falls unto the Dems.

Origanalist
03-30-2013, 08:21 PM
Colorado is being invaded by California residents. They flee their own hellhole, then create a new one in an innocent state.

Kind of like New Hampshire and Massachusetts. It's a war of attrition the Free State Project is going to lose.

Do tell........I think I've seen this movie.

RonPaulFanInGA
03-30-2013, 08:28 PM
Colorado's Democrats are not done with gun grabbing either. Two new gun control bills passed through committee a couple of days ago:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/625655_520933907945667_732821547_n.png

The main sponsor of one of these, as with the recent ones that passed in CO and were signed into law, is Rep. Rhonda Fields:

http://i.imgur.com/vcPtPK0.jpg

Brett85
03-30-2013, 08:39 PM
Why doesn't someone just launch a recall petition against the Governor and the state reps who voted for these gun control laws?

Anti Federalist
03-30-2013, 08:44 PM
Why doesn't someone just launch a recall petition against the Governor and the state reps who voted for these gun control laws?

LOL...you're funny.

phill4paul
03-30-2013, 08:44 PM
Why doesn't someone just launch a recall petition against the Governor and the state reps who voted for these gun control laws?

Because the majority voted for them?

Brett85
03-30-2013, 08:51 PM
Because the majority voted for them?

But it doesn't take a majority to launch a recall race. I think I read it just takes about 20% or something like that. A recall election would be a low turnout election, and Republicans usually do a lot better in low turnout elections.

CaseyJones
03-30-2013, 08:58 PM
hey speciallyblend what ya got to say about this one?

WM_in_MO
03-30-2013, 09:41 PM
LOL...you're funny.
Lets Face it. Co is lost.

tangent4ronpaul
03-30-2013, 09:55 PM
You are spot on about Colorado.

I grew up there and went to EMS school there. As a lowly EMT, I could flash my ID to a cop or ER staffer and put anybody on ice for 3 days. Never exercised this.

This whole bill is BS! The SS has had the authority to put anyone on ice through a presidential visit for years - decades, really. It's SOP!

-t

Anti Federalist
03-30-2013, 10:00 PM
You are spot on about Colorado.

I grew up there and went to EMS school there. As a lowly EMT, I could flash my ID to a cop or ER staffer and put anybody on ice for 3 days. Never exercised this.

This whole bill is BS! The SS has had the authority to put anyone on ice through a presidential visit for years - decades, really. It's SOP!

-t

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that is why some folks are up in arms about this.

If SS already had this authority, then why the need for this bill, unless it bestows some new, additional authority.

Anti Federalist
03-30-2013, 10:02 PM
Lets Face it. Co is lost.

Californicated.

TexASS is next.

tangent4ronpaul
03-30-2013, 10:16 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that is why some folks are up in arms about this.

If SS already had this authority, then why the need for this bill, unless it bestows some new, additional authority.

Stepping stone...

Look at Interpol - diplomatic privs, immune from US laws - like Entry and Evaluation... has a HQ in the FBI building, US agents can be assigned to them... Or maybe we could talk about about Fusion Centers - people with different hats and different restrictions, playing musical hats...

:rolleyes:

-t

jay_dub
03-31-2013, 10:49 AM
From the OP:

Cooke said he and other sheriffs are considering filing a lawsuit to block the laws. And sheriffs in other parts of the nation agree, with more than 340 already banding together to promise to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

This amounts to just over 10% of sheriffs nationwide. I'm personally very heartened to see this. I expect this number to grow.

Also, we just had the retired Army Captain talking about the DHS ammo purchases and suggesting that the military may be required to restore the Constitution. This is the same thing retired General Jerry Curry was saying last year.

Can you say ..... pushback??

Czolgosz
03-31-2013, 10:53 AM
no stopping the crazy train. let's pick up the steam!


This should be our policy.

Keith and stuff
03-31-2013, 11:27 AM
Colorado is being invaded by California residents. They flee their own hellhole, then create a new one in an innocent state.

Kind of like New Hampshire and Massachusetts. It's a war of attrition the Free State Project is going to lose.
So wrong. NH isn't being invaded. Sure, only around 40% of the population in NH was actually born in NH but that's because it doesn't have any large cities or a lot of welfare so young people and poor people leave the state and older, more freedom minded people have been moving to the state for 100s of years. It's an old story and well known in NH. It's been around the freest state in the US for 100 years. People know that and move here for freedom.

The state isn't overrun at all. It only has 1.3 million people. More statist people wanting to be in a highly educated, very low crime area for lots of rivers, lakes, mountains and beaches tend to move to VT or ME, not NH. The more fiscally conservative folks tend to move to NH. That's why there is no personal income tax or general sales tax. That's why parts of it don't have property taxes. That's why cigars and liquor aren't taxed, unlike in other states.

I don't know why Matt Collins and you continue to perpetuate a myth. UNH did a report and found that people tend to move from MA to NH because it is less liberal, has very low taxes and is inexpensive. Those people vote for low taxes, that's why all (except for some parts of Nashua) of the NH border town in the Boston area are Republican towns.

NH has been a swing state for a long time. From time to time the Democrats are in charge but they haven't managed to pass any gun control measures yet. In fact, the House is currently 54% Democrat and it recently passed a bill to reduce gun control. It also voted down a bill to ban the open carrying of guns in public buildings with only 8 out of the 400 House members supporting the ban.

OK, in all fairness there is some truth to what you saying in that people that move to NH tend to be much more socially tolerant the the average American. They tend to not give a crap what people do in their bedroom. But this isn't just seen from movers from MA. It's also true of movers from the rest of New England, NY, NJ and so on. I think NH might be just about the least religious state and also the state with the largest amount of self described gay and bisexual people. There is also almost universal support for allowing at least some abortions but all of this is good stuff so...

As for CO, hopefully some of this stuff is overturned in future years.

Keith and stuff
03-31-2013, 11:38 AM
Colorado is being invaded by California residents. They flee their own hellhole, then create a new one in an innocent state.

Kind of like New Hampshire and Massachusetts. It's a war of attrition the Free State Project is going to lose.

In fact, NH's population is growing the slowest it has in 50 years. The FSP will likely reach 20,000 signers in the next 2-4 years so the move will be triggered. As 20,000 or however many people move to NH as part of the FSP, the population growth will, or would without them, still likely be near a 50 year low. There is even a county that is losing people and several towns and even 1 of the cities is shrinking. That's why I've seen 4 unit apartment buildings as cheap as $60,000 in NH.
http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2012/apr/lw30nhdem.cfm

Maine and RI are actually losing people. Their population levels are in decline.

Czolgosz
03-31-2013, 11:49 AM
In fact, NH's population is growing the slowest it has in 50 years. The FSP will likely reach 20,000 signers in the next 2-4 years so the move will be triggered. As 20,000 or however many people move to NH as part of the FSP, the population growth will, or would without them, still likely be near a 50 year low. There is even a county that is losing people and several towns and even 1 of the cities is shrinking. That's why I've seen 4 unit apartment buildings as cheap as $60,000 in NH.
http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_nr/2012/apr/lw30nhdem.cfm

Maine and RI are actually losing people. Their population levels are in decline.



I hope the FSP shows a tangible success.

Working Poor
03-31-2013, 11:50 AM
so is the President getting ready to move to Colorado? I ask because the SS protects him right?

torchbearer
03-31-2013, 11:57 AM
so is the President getting ready to move to Colorado? I ask because the SS protects him right? I would think he'd have a bunker facility under a mountain so he can finish his transition to doctor evil. probably look something like the Cheyenne facility.

speciallyblend
03-31-2013, 01:07 PM
i am so tired of republicans trying to blame dems. The gop and republicans paved the road for this BS and they FUCKING KNOW IT!! BASTARDS ALL OF THEM!!! BAN GOV NOT GUNS!!

COpatriot
03-31-2013, 05:02 PM
Fuck these people. They are ruining our state.

Adrock
03-31-2013, 05:32 PM
I hope the FSP shows a tangible success.

They can start by fielding a decent GOP-Liberty fusion candidate for congress in NH-1.

speciallyblend
03-31-2013, 06:02 PM
Fuck these people. They are ruining our state.

we are making huge gains in the gop but if they do not run liberty oriented republicans who can be trusted. Then they will get crushed by the voters in colorado.

Adrock
03-31-2013, 06:41 PM
we are making huge gains in the gop but if they do not run liberty oriented republicans who can be trusted. Then they will get crushed by the voters in colorado.

Seems like Colorado would be a great place for the GOP to try a "leave me alone" coalition. Not sure if the different factions will put their differences aside to unite and turn back the liberals. All the luck to you though.

qh4dotcom
03-31-2013, 07:48 PM
I don't feel sorry for the folks in Colorado if they lose their gun rights.

This s*** wouldn't be signed into law if Tancredo had become governor. The Coloradoans screwed up by electing the anti-gun Democratic governor Hickenlooper.

The Coloradoans also overwhelmingly voted for the two certified gun grabbers Romney and Obama.

The Coloradoans asked for gun control at the ballot box...they should get what they voted for.

speciallyblend
03-31-2013, 08:26 PM
I don't feel sorry for the folks in Colorado if they lose their gun rights.

This s*** wouldn't be signed into law if Tancredo had become governor. The Coloradoans screwed up by electing the anti-gun Democratic governor Hickenlooper.

The Coloradoans also overwhelmingly voted for the two certified gun grabbers Romney and Obama.

The Coloradoans asked for gun control at the ballot box...they should get what they voted for.

tancredo is a fool, most of these elected officials will be voted out very soon. I do not remember any gun measures under vote just crooked politicians trying to slide bs through. They will be held accountable. dems will only win where establishment republicans run in colorado. watch 2014. I do not remember one dem or rep running on gun control last election. These people just bullied colorado and will be held accountable in 2014.

qh4dotcom
03-31-2013, 08:48 PM
tancredo is a fool, most of these elected officials will be voted out very soon. I do not remember any gun measures under vote just crooked politicians trying to slide bs through. They will be held accountable. dems will only win where establishment republicans run in colorado. watch 2014. I do not remember one dem or rep running on gun control last election. These people just bullied colorado and will be held accountable in 2014.

Yes, he's a fool but it would have been sweet for the Constitution Party to have won an election for governor.

I am not optimistic about the elected officials being voted out very soon.

presence
04-05-2013, 09:41 PM
Federal Framework Being Set Up To Arrest Sheriffs
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/government-gone-wild/federal-framework-being-set-up-to-arrest-sheriffs/

itshappening
04-05-2013, 10:08 PM
CO is a lost cause.

They elected Bennet for f&cks sake over Buck in a Republican wave year in 2010. That goes to show you that it's gone. They also elected this idiot Hickenlooper.

speciallyblend
04-06-2013, 11:56 AM
CO is a lost cause.

They elected Bennet for f&cks sake over Buck in a Republican wave year in 2010. That goes to show you that it's gone. They also elected this idiot Hickenlooper.

buck had an r next to his name that was the problem in that election, people hate the gop in colorado even republicans. Buck lacked trust as most people do not view the gop in a good light. I am in the gop and republican and i still did not trust buck and what he had to say. The voters in colorado seemed to agree.

supermario21
04-06-2013, 12:32 PM
buck had an r next to his name that was the problem in that election, people hate the gop in colorado even republicans. Buck lacked trust as most people do not view the gop in a good light. I am in the gop and republican and i still did not trust buck and what he had to say. The voters in colorado seemed to agree.

Yeah but you probably distrusted Buck from a different perspective than the stereotypically moderate Colorado voter. Jane Norton probably would have won. Was she any good?

COpatriot
04-06-2013, 02:46 PM
CO is a lost cause.

They elected Bennet for f&cks sake over Buck in a Republican wave year in 2010. That goes to show you that it's gone. They also elected this idiot Hickenlooper.

No we're not a lost cause. Not yet at least. In 2014 we need to take out all the trash we can in the state legislature and have a candidate for governor with a goddamn pulse which was a huge problem in 2010.

muh_roads
04-06-2013, 02:55 PM
This feels like a backdoor to let the feds also go after mary jane peeps eventually.

Keith and stuff
04-06-2013, 03:41 PM
No we're not a lost cause. Not yet at least. In 2014 we need to take out all the trash we can in the state legislature and have a candidate for governor with a goddamn pulse which was a huge problem in 2010.

With current methods, IMO, the whole country is a lost cause. That's why the Free State Project was created.

As for CO, I disagree with itshappening about Buck. Look what happened in 2012. Buck helped lead an organization against marijuana freedom. What was he trying to do, help destroy the GOP in CO? Obviously marijuana legalization in every state in the future. Did Buck want to prevent the COGOP from having a future?