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kcchiefs6465
03-29-2013, 12:17 PM
An 86-year-old man who carried out a mercy killing by shooting his ailing wife in the head was sentenced to probation on Friday after an emotional hearing where family members tearfully spoke on his behalf.

George Sanders could have faced more than 12 years in prison after pleading guilty to manslaughter. The judge opted for probation.

The World War II veteran told authorities his wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1969, and the couple moved from Washington state to the retirement community of Sun City outside Phoenix in the 1970s for the warm, dry climate.

Virginia Sanders, 81, had been diagnosed with gangrene on her foot just a few days before the shooting.

In a videotaped confession, Sanders said his wife begged him to kill her. Wrapped in a blanket as he sat being questioned by a detective, Sanders appeared frail and tired in the hours after he shot his wife in the head.

"She never wanted to outlive me and be left at the mercy of someone else," he said.

"We loved each other so much," Sanders said. "It was a wonderful life in spite of all the hard things we had at the end."

Sanders was initially charged with first-degree murder for the Nov. 9 shooting but later pleaded guilty to manslaughter in what attorneys on both sides have called a "mercy killing."

"We did a lot of things together, always loved each other," he told the detective, adding that her health began to deteriorate over the last few years. "I took care of her through that day and night," Sanders said.

Eventually, as his own health deteriorated, he said the couple hired a caregiver. He said his wife had been diagnosed with gangrene on her foot just a few days before the shooting and was set to be admitted to a hospital, then a nursing home.

"It was just the last straw," Sanders said. "She didn't want to go to that hospital ... start cutting her toes off."

He said he talked it over with his wife and she begged him to kill her.

"I said, `I can't do it honey,'" he told police. "She says, `Yes you can.'"

Sanders said he got his revolver and wrapped a towel around it so the bullet wouldn't go into the kitchen.

"She says, `Is this going to hurt,' and I said, `You won't feel a thing,'" he said.

"She was saying, `Do it. Do it. Do it.' And I just let it go," Sanders added.

He sat in the room at the sheriff's office for about five hours as his wife was hospitalized. The bullet didn't kill her. She died a few days later. After several hours, the detective came back in.

"Virginia was at this present moment currently still alive but not expected to make it. She's not expected to live," the detective told him.

Sanders appeared distraught.

"I think of her laying in her bed and it haunts me. I've taken care of her all these years and to think of somebody else doing it that really doesn't care," he said. "Terrible."

A few minutes later, a deputy came into the room and handcuffed him, then led him out the door to be fingerprinted.

"I sit here and I don't know how I could have done that," Sanders said. "It seemed to make sense at the time."




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/george-sanders-virginia-sanders-mercy-killing_n_2978179.html





2 Years Probation... which is a damn shame. Hopefully it is non-reporting.

Christian Liberty
03-29-2013, 12:18 PM
How do we know this was actually a mercy killing?

kcchiefs6465
03-29-2013, 12:23 PM
How do we know this was actually a mercy killing?
She was his high school sweetheart. It really is a sad story. Saw it on tv a few minutes ago and just posted the first story I found. After reading through it, maybe I can find a better one.

Anyways, her family does not blame him and believes it to have been her wishes. The prosecutor believes him that it was her wishes.

I am not sure of all the evidence but it seemed to be open and shut. They had been married for something like 60 years. A will is a good idea though. The man was facing life in jail until they reduced the crime.

dannno
03-29-2013, 12:27 PM
How do we know this was actually a mercy killing?

Because his testimony moved me enough, they are old enough, he's been through enough and there's no evidence that they reported like...she didn't in fact have gangrene....or prior spousal abuse/violence/disputes.. and you have the family testifying for him.

V3n
03-29-2013, 12:31 PM
How do we know this was actually a mercy killing?

his wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1969


edit: not just being crass - I have a relative with MS.

Cowlesy
03-29-2013, 12:39 PM
Ugh, poor fella.

Orgoonian
03-29-2013, 01:40 PM
God what a terrible situation to be in.You lose either way.
In Oregon,and i think Washington too,we have the "Death with Dignity Act".We fought the feds for years over this law,but the Gov dug in his heels,and they finally gave up.
http://public.health.oregon.gov/ProviderPartnerResources/Evaluationresearch/deathwithdignityact/Pages/index.aspx
http://www.deathwithdignity.org/2012/03/07/oregon-death-dignity-2011-report

phill4paul
03-29-2013, 01:49 PM
If assisted suicides were allowed for those of sound mind, or those that made their wishes known while of sound mind, then this particular case would not be an issue.

Todd
03-29-2013, 01:55 PM
if he had just smothered her he'd of only gotten 1 year. There was a man in my hometown who did that for his wife. He was in his mid 90's. You could tell when you met him he was no murderer and he did it because he wanted to end her suffering.

Brian4Liberty
03-29-2013, 04:20 PM
Hospitals and doctors put terminal people out of their misery on a daily basis. They use overdoes of morphine.

Using a gun was not the best method by any means. A sad ending to a sad story. The Judge opting for probation was appropriate.

Christian Liberty
03-29-2013, 07:20 PM
I'm not so much thinking of this particular case (And if he is telling the truth, it IS a sad story) as I am thinking of the greater reprecussions of the idea that you can just kill someone like this and your statement of "She asked for it" to be automatically taken as gospel. There really should be some kind of legal framework for mercy killing if you actually want to die... at this point there's no hard evidence that it was consensual, just emotion.

Not saying I want this guy to get the book thrown at him, but in a theoretical libertarian world where euthanasia would actually be legal, it has to be better regulated than that. You at least need hard evidence (Contract, will, something like that) stating that you do in fact want to receive euthanasia.

Christian Liberty
03-29-2013, 07:21 PM
his wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1969


edit: not just being crass - I have a relative with MS.


If assisted suicides were allowed for those of sound mind, or those that made their wishes known while of sound mind, then this particular case would not be an issue.

This is more what was crossing my mind. It wasn't so much that I wanted to see this guy punished as it is that I think we need a better legal framework for situations like this.

V3n
03-29-2013, 07:26 PM
This is more what was crossing my mind. It wasn't so much that I wanted to see this guy punished as it is that I think we need a better legal framework for situations like this.

I never thought you were insinuating anything, you were just asking an honest question. I agree with this statement ^^

fr33
03-29-2013, 08:10 PM
I read this thread earlier today on my phone and teared up. So sad. It should be legal to humanely carry out something like this.

donnay
03-29-2013, 08:24 PM
I am going to get beat down for saying this but the sixth commandment says; "thou shall not murder." The physical act of taking someone's life not in self defense is murder. The more we agree to "mercy killings" the more acceptable taking a human life will get.

fr33
03-29-2013, 08:34 PM
I am going to get beat down for saying this but the sixth commandment says; "thou shall not murder." The physical act of taking someone's life not in self defense is murder. The more we agree to "mercy killings" the more acceptable taking a human life will get.
I'm not gonna beat you down because that's your religion. But I do not think you have a right to enforce your religion on others. And by definition without malice it's not murder. It is killing though.

donnay
03-29-2013, 08:57 PM
I'm not gonna beat you down because that's your religion. But I do not think you have a right to enforce your religion on others. And by definition without malice it's not murder. It is killing though.

It's more of a moral code issue for me. Morality describes the principles of our behavior. Without these principles a society cannot survive very long, IMHO. Even our founders in the Declaration of Independence agreed upon a Creator. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Christian Liberty
03-29-2013, 08:59 PM
I am going to get beat down for saying this but the sixth commandment says; "thou shall not murder." The physical act of taking someone's life not in self defense is murder. The more we agree to "mercy killings" the more acceptable taking a human life will get.

I'm not for euthanasia, but if its consensual, there is no victim and so a libertarian society has no business legislating against it.


I'm not gonna beat you down because that's your religion. But I do not think you have a right to enforce your religion on others. And by definition without malice it's not murder. It is killing though.

Who cares about "Malice"? If you're killing an innocent person without their consent, you are indeed a murderer, even if you don't realize that its wrong (See abortionists.) Consensual euthanasia is definitely not murder, although it is still morally wrong.

PursuePeace
03-29-2013, 09:08 PM
I read this thread earlier today on my phone and teared up. So sad. It should be legal to humanely carry out something like this.

I agree.

fr33
03-29-2013, 09:34 PM
Who cares about "Malice"? If you're killing an innocent person without their consent, you are indeed a murderer, even if you don't realize that its wrong (See abortionists.) Consensual euthanasia is definitely not murder, although it is still morally wrong.
My reason for defining murder was in response to someone calling this case murder. It is not. She not only consented, she asked for it. It's no different morally than hiring a doctor to put you out of your misery, which would be preferential to what happened here.

kcchiefs6465
03-29-2013, 10:13 PM
My reason for defining murder was in response to someone calling this case murder. It is not. She not only consented, she asked for it. It's no different morally than hiring a doctor to put you out of your misery, which would be preferential to what happened here.
Very true. This was horrible that he shot her in the head and she survived for days. Someone who is terminally ill or in unbearable pain should have the decision to end their life. Not to get too far off topic but they should also have the choice to medicate and try to help their situation as they see fit. (medicinal marijuana, for example) I too agree with Freedom that there should be some sort of legal document for such an event. It should have to have multiple witnesses when signed to make sure it is not forced etc.

There are some problems that may come about but I think they could be worked out. Our current system of trying to force someone to endlessly suffer or imprison those who fulfill the wishes of their loved ones clearly should not be.