CA-Dog escapes yard, owners return it to yard, cops show up and kill dog.

[Anti Federalist]

Greenfield Dog Shot and Killed By Police

http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/21812499/greenfield-dog-shot-and-killed-by-police

Posted: Mar 27, 2013 7:25 PM CDT Updated: Mar 27, 2013 8:16 PM CDT

By Ricardo Navarro - email

GREENFIELD, Calif. -- On this sunny afternoon Freddy Hernandez's backyard sits quiet. An empty dog house and toys, no dog left to play with. That's because Hernandez's best friend, Rocko, was killed by Greenfield Police.

"He's been around us for a long time. He was a good dog," said Hernandez.

Neighbors said that kids were taunting Rocko from one side of the fence, and Rocko who was watching them, started getting angry. So an agitated Rocko, managed to knock the fence down and started chasing the kids down the block.

That's when police were dispatched to the neighborhood. But by the time they got there, Rocko was back in Hernadez's fenced in yard. No one was hurt. Neighbors told Central Coast News officers got closer to see if Rocko was in the yard. Police say that's when Rocko ran at officers.

"The dog is going to be a dog, he's going to protect his property," said Hernandez.


Neighbors said officers shot Rocko at least 3 times.


"He could've used the pepper spray or could've shot towards the grass," said Hernandez.

Hernandez wants answers, such as where was animal control? Central Coast News checked and Monterey County doesn't have a contract with the city of Greenfield for those services. It said that the Greenfield Police Department has its own animal control.

"If it happens today, what are you going to do? If another dog approaches a person are they going to shoot them again too?" said Hernandez.


Greenfield Police said they are reviewing the case to make sure the proper procedures were taken, but Chief Eric Sills said the dog was viciously chasing after kids and by law, the officers have every right to shoot a dog when it attacks.

[tod evans]

Chasing and attacking are completely different things...

Fucking idiot!

[aGameOfThrones]

"Chief Eric Sills said the citizen was viciously excersizing his rights and by law, the officers have every right to shoot a citizen when it attacks."

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Neighbors said that kids were taunting Rocko from one side of the fence, and Rocko who was watching them, started getting angry. So an agitated Rocko, managed to knock the fence down and started chasing the kids down the block.

Kids are lucky dogs don't have "kid execution squad". Kids parents should be held responsible, I think.

[anaconda]

What justification would the cops have for shooting if there was a fence between them and the dog? So what if it was running in their general direction.

[phill4paul]

So the neighbors were watching the kids taunt the dog? I hate fucking people.

[KrokHead]

The dog broke out and attacked humans. Fuck the dog.

[aGameOfThrones]

What justification would the cops have for shooting if there was a fence between them and the dog? So what if it was running in their general direction.

Let introduce you to something I like to call...


OFFICER.........



SAFETY!

[aGameOfThrones]

The dog broke out and attacked humans. Fuck the dog.

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Chasing and attacking are completely different things...

Fucking idiot!

[phill4paul]

The dog broke out and attacked humans. Fuck the dog.

Kids were taunting it. Fuck the kids.

[Anti Federalist]

The dog broke out and attacked humans. Fuck the dog.

Nobody was hurt.

The dog was safely back in the fenced yard.

If you came on my property and shot my dog after that, your day would end very badly.

Unless, of course, you were wearing a government costume.

[PaulConventionWV]

Nobody was hurt.

The dog was safely back in the fenced yard.

If you came on my property and shot my dog after that, your day would end very badly.

Unless, of course, you were wearing a government costume.

In that case, you would get a rampaging barricaded steel tank built in the garage through the wall of your police department. I think AF knows exactly what I'm talking about, although I can't quite recall it at the moment, but it happened.

[tod evans]

The dog broke out and attacked humans. Fuck the dog.

Are you stupid too?

Chasing and attacking are two completely different things...

Try Websters online dictionary for some help with the English language.

[asurfaholic]

Sad story..

The dog knocked down the fence?

[abacabb]

Neighbors said that kids were taunting Rocko from one side of the fence, and Rocko who was watching them, started getting angry. So an agitated Rocko, managed to knock the fence down and started chasing the kids down the block.

It's possible that this dog is a tad aggressive and is being portrayed positively by the family. After all, big scary dogs do have loving masters.

With all due respect to everyone, as someone who's family had a dog murdered from a cop (true story), let me calmly state the situation this way:

A guy is sitting on a stoop at night and sees a woman walking by and runs after her, presumably to rape her, but maybe just to rob her. A bunch of people find out and "scare him" so he runs back to his house.

The woman calls her father and the father gets really pissed and goes to beat the shit out of him. The guy gets aggressive trying to defend himself and the father shoots him.


I, for one, don't totally approve what the father did, but I don't necessarily condemn it either.


I think some people here are a little biased because they really like dogs or really hate cops.

[phill4paul]

[/COLOR]

A guy is sitting on a stoop at night and sees a woman walking by and runs after her, presumably to rape her, but maybe just to rob her. A bunch of people find out and "scare him" so he runs back to his house.

The woman calls her father and the father gets really pissed and goes to beat the shit out of him. The guy gets aggressive trying to defend himself and the father shoots him.

This has to be worst analogy I have ever come across on RPF and I've seen many.

[abacabb]

This has to be worst analogy I have ever come across on RPF and I've seen many.
Anyone other than phill4paul, who has no life and just chases me thread from thread to nitpick and insult?

The idea is we don't know the dogs exact motivations (was it chasing to attack, or just playing?) any more than we know why a shady guy runs after someone, how that is interpreted, and the results of that.

[phill4paul]

Anyone other than phill4paul, who has no life and just chases me thread from thread to nitpick and insult?

The idea is we don't know the dogs exact motivations (was it chasing to attack, or just playing?) any more than we know why a shady guy runs after someone, how that is interpreted, and the results of that.

If one doesn't KNOW then perhaps summary execution is not the answer. No?

[tod evans]

The idea is we don't know the dogs exact motivations (was it chasing to attack, or just playing?) any more than we know why a shady guy runs after someone, how that is interpreted, and the results of that.

Don't suppose anyone will ever know seeing as how the dog's dead...

As a person who trained Schutzhund many years ago I'm comfortable stating that fewer than 5% of dogs are aggressive unprovoked...Even on their own property.

[abacabb]

If one doesn't KNOW then perhaps summary execution is not the answer. No?
I'd agree. But who knows what apprehending the dog was like, we weren't there and only have one side of the story.

[phill4paul]

I'd agree. But who knows what apprehending the dog was like, we weren't there and only have one side of the story.

From the article we KNOW that "no one was hurt."
We also know that there was not an Animal Control officer on scene. The ones that are capable of "apprehending" a dog.
The Chief was quoted "the dog was viciously chasing after kids and by law, the officers have every right to shoot a dog when it attacks." Well, no officer actually saw the dog "viciously chasing" anyone. I don't know about you but I can't run faster than a dog if the dog wants to catch me. The dog was back in it's own yard when they approached the property.
Summary, the dog was tired of being taunted on it's own property and chased the kids away. When it felt the threat from the kids was gone it returned to it's own property.

[Philhelm]

In that case, you would get a rampaging barricaded steel tank built in the garage through the wall of your police department. I think AF knows exactly what I'm talking about, although I can't quite recall it at the moment, but it happened.

Killdozer!

[abacabb]

From the article we KNOW that "no one was hurt."
We also know that there was not an Animal Control officer on scene. The ones that are capable of "apprehending" a dog.
The Chief was quoted "the dog was viciously chasing after kids and by law, the officers have every right to shoot a dog when it attacks." Well, no officer actually saw the dog "viciously chasing" anyone. I don't know about you but I can't run faster than a dog if the dog wants to catch me. The dog was back in it's own yard when they approached the property.
Summary, the dog was tired of being taunted on it's own property and chased the kids away. When it felt the threat from the kids was gone it returned to it's own property.
Yes, but people aren't going to wait 14 hours for animal control to show up, waiting 5 hours for the cops is bad enough.

My grandmother's dog was shot in cold blood just for barking. That's it. It's a dog, our life continued and we just complain about Irish cops a wee bit more.

In our case, the officer should have been disciplined, but are we going to hyper-investigate animal cruelty from police officers, when more likely dog owners are lying? It's better that justice not be served in our case if overall, justice is served more than it isn't. Taking the dog owner's side by default doesn't necessarily seem to me the best choice.

[chudrockz]

So the neighbors were watching the kids taunt the dog? I hate fucking people.

That's exactly right. Fuckin kids. Years ago we were at my in-laws with our little rat terrier, and my wife's nephew (an idiot), about six at the time, was down on all fours teasing our dog, who was obviously getting irritated by it. We told him several times to quit, and finally my wife says to him, "Sam, if that dog bites you, I'm going to give him a treat!"

[phill4paul]

Yes, but people aren't going to wait 14 hours for animal control to show up, waiting 5 hours for the cops is bad enough.

My grandmother's dog was shot in cold blood just for barking. That's it. It's a dog, our life continued and we just complain about Irish cops a wee bit more.

In our case, the officer should have been disciplined, but are we going to hyper-investigate animal cruelty from police officers, when more likely dog owners are lying? It's better that justice not be served in our case if overall, justice is served more than it isn't. Taking the dog owner's side by default doesn't necessarily seem to me the best choice.

Some people consider their dogs to be more than "just a dog." If you were to shoot a police dog YOU would be charged the same as shooting an officer. Police officers can be charged, and have, with a felony for cruelty to animals.
So it is not simply a case of shooting "just a dog." Ever.
I understand that in some cases an owner may lie. However, there is simply too large a preponderance of cop on dog death to simply take the officers side as is done by the police in EVERY case.

Heres some good reading for you to brush up on the issue...........

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390564-Police-shoot-dog&highlight=Police+Shoot+Dog

and here is simply the first post of a five page ongoing thread........


Just a start, by request.

This is from 2012 only.

Search term was "police shoot dog", filtered by date and my screenname.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390397-IL-Cop-shows-up-at-wrong-house-over-ladder-burglary.-Shoots-leashed-family-dog-at-door.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390355-GA-Man-sets-off-his-home-alarm-by-mistake.-Cops-show-up-and-shoot-his-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370834-MD-quot-These-guys-were-just-doing-their-job.-quot-620-grand-for-dog-shooting-by-cops.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390175-IN-Cop-shoots-family-dog-while-questioning-resident.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?389508-MI-Cop-blows-away-Golden-Retriever-who-growled-at-him-after-cop-chased-him.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?390022-IA-Cop-shoots-family-dog-in-backyard-from-30-feet-away.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?389903-SD-Animal-control-cop-shoots-family-cat.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?389871-HI-Dog-shot-and-killed-after-going-after-police-offcer&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?388862-NY-Cops-raid-75-y-o-woman-s-home-hold-her-down-and-shoot-her-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?389405-Cop-Hits-Dog-With-Patrol-Car-Beats-It-To-Death-With-Baton-amp-Stomps-Its-Brains-Out&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?389052-SC-Cop-shoots-family-dog-for-well-no-reason-really.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383133-VA-Cops-show-up-to-inform-family-that-their-son-was-murdered.-Shoot-and-kill-family-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?388488-NY-Cops-raid-wrong-home-nobody-home-kill-family-dog-leave-note-blood-and-bullet-holes.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?388489-SC-Cop-shows-up-at-wrong-house-to-serve-papers-shoots-kills-tethered-family-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?387881-Meanwhile-in-Amerika-CO-Cops-shoots-family-dog-chasing-after-suspect-already-in-custody.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?387189-CA-Cops-shoot-family-dog-through-fence-so-they-can-cross-yard.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?310340-IL-Family-awarded-333-000-for-damges-icaused-by-police-raiders-that-shot-their-dog&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376059-PA-Cop-shoots-family-dog-while-riding-his-bike.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386782-NE-Police-Shoot-Dog-After-Failed-Traffic-Stop&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363543-FL-Cops-to-family-quot-get-your-dog-or-we-are-going-to-shoot-him-quot-2-seconds-later-they-did&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386485-TX-Family-calls-cops-for-burglary-call.-Cops-show-up-three-hours-late-shoot-family-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386351-TX-Austin-cops-responding-to-burglary-call-shoot-dog-dead.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386315-Garland-Police-Shoot-Dog-in-Raid-That-Nets-One-Ounce-of-Weed&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?386099-WI-Cops-raid-home-on-drug-warrant.-Shoot-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?385775-NYC-Cops-chasing-another-man-shoot-innocent-man-and-his-dogs.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?385286-AL-Cop-shoots-Golden-Retriever-that-jumped-on-him.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?385143-OH-Dog-shot-by-police-for-being-old.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?385007-Another-day-another-dog-killed-by-Police&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?384351-NC-Cops-tossing-apartments-looking-for-suspect-shoot-unrelated-family-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?384351-NC-Cops-tossing-apartments-looking-for-suspect-shoot-unrelated-family-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383329-TX-Cop-shows-up-at-home-because-of-quot-illegal-quot-campfire.-Shoots-family-dog-dead.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?366051-NJ-Puppy-breaks-free-from-leash-shot-dead-by-cops.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383021-OH-Cop-stops-woman-in-her-driveway.-Dog-jumps-out-of-car-cop-shoots-dog-dead.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?293057-Cops-called-for-help-with-threatening-phone-call.-Cops-show-up-and-shoot-family-dog-dead.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?381904-NY-Cop-shoots-family-dog-tells-family-“I’ve-shot-12-dogs-before-it-is-what-it-is.”&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?381592-IN-Cops-called-for-quot-domestic-disturbance-quot-.-Shoot-at-dog-miss-and-hit-cop.-No-arrests.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?381592-IN-Cops-called-for-quot-domestic-disturbance-quot-.-Shoot-at-dog-miss-and-hit-cop.-No-arrests.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?381592-IN-Cops-called-for-quot-domestic-disturbance-quot-.-Shoot-at-dog-miss-and-hit-cop.-No-arrests.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?380007-Sheriff’s-deputy-forced-to-shoot-police-dog-during-attack&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?379627-OK-Dogs-start-fighting-in-closed-in-back-yard.-Cop-shows-up-and-shoots-three-dead.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?379276-TX-Cop-shoots-loose-family-dog.-Then-goes-in-back-yard-and-executes-locked-up-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?378624-TX-Cop-shows-up-to-wrong-house.-Shoots-family-dog-dead-within-seconds.-(New-case)&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?379016-Ft.-Worth-paper-faints-at-online-outrage-over-latest-quot-cop-kills-dog-quot-story.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?379203-NY-Cops-shows-up-for-noise-complaint.-Shoot-homeowner-s-dog-dead.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?378618-CT-Cop-shoots-dog-dead-tells-12-y-o-girl-quot-your-dog-isn-t-going-to-make-it-quot-.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?309330-Cop-shot-dead-after-threatening-man-s-dogs-with-stun-gun&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?377284-CA-Woman-calls-cops-she-is-a-victim-of-quot-identity-theft-quot-.-Cop-shows-up-and-kills-her-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376060-OH-Cop-shows-up-to-wrong-house-on-domestic-call.-Shoots-family-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375999-KS-Cop-shoots-family-dog-for-barking.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375997-TN-Cops-shoot-man-s-dog-then-throw-the-body-off-a-cliff.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375117-MO-SWAT-cops-kill-dog-mace-puppies-in-cage-during-misdemeanor-pot-raid.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374843-IN-Cop-shoots-family-dog-after-home-burns-down.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374847-AL-Cops-shoot-five-month-old-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374625-WI-Cops-chasing-after-suspect-shoot-family-dog.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374235-TX-Cops-after-getting-a-false-tip-prowl-around-tow-truck-lot-shoot-guard-dogs.&highlight=police+shoot+dog

[abacabb]

You're aware we're a country with 300,000,000 people and that statistically insignificant sample doesn't reflect we have a pandemic, right?

I just ask that people keep an open mind about the possibility there was more to the situation, and try to disassociate "dog" with "cop" from making a decent judgment.

If a private citizen shot a dog if it kept threatening his kid, some people here would support that.

I just think it is important tat we don't hold animals higher than people.

[DamianTV]

Guns and Dogs provide the common man with a form of self protection. It should really come as no suprise that Cops want to deprive us of BOTH.

[Anti Federalist]

You're aware we're a country with 300,000,000 people and that statistically insignificant sample doesn't reflect we have a pandemic, right?

I just ask that people keep an open mind about the possibility there was more to the situation, and try to disassociate "dog" with "cop" from making a decent judgment.

If a private citizen shot a dog if it kept threatening his kid, some people here would support that.

I just think it is important tat we don't hold animals higher than people.

*sigh*

Nobody is holding animals higher than people.

What this is all about, is a demonstration of the real world consequences of the Circular Force Continuum.

They are starting with dogs...the apologists make their excuses, and then they move on to people.

Really no more difficult than that.

[abacabb]

*sigh*

Nobody is holding animals higher than people.

What this is all about, is a demonstration of the real world consequences of the Circular Force Continuum.

They are starting with dogs...the apologists make their excuses, and then they move on to people.

Really no more difficult than that.
Is that's what's really happening or was this a big scary dog that scared the crap out of people in the neighborhood, who then called the cops, who then somehow came somewhat close to the period of time in which the event occurred by some miracle, the dog then scared the crap out of the cop and he got trigger happy?

I think the latter explanation is more accurate. It doesn't excuse killing a dog, but I'm not exactly sure without knowing exactly what happened that it's worth ruining the cop's life.

[Anti Federalist]

Is that's what's really happening or was this a big scary dog that scared the crap out of people in the neighborhood, who then called the cops, who then somehow came somewhat close to the period of time in which the event occurred by some miracle, the dog then scared the crap out of the cop and he got trigger happy?

I think the latter explanation is more accurate. It doesn't excuse killing a dog, but I'm not exactly sure without knowing exactly what happened that it's worth ruining the cop's life.

Why?

They do it to us, every day, for more petty offenses.

[heavenlyboy34]

Why?

They do it to us, every day, for more petty offenses.
And I've seen cop shoots dog stories around here in which the dog was too small to be a threat to anyone but a toddler. :( :mad: The pattern indicates that it's not a fear of "vicious" dogs but some combination of the CFC and sociopathy. AF, didn't you once post a story about a cop who shot dogs in their yards just for lolz? They seem to blur together sometimes. :(

[phill4paul]

Is that's what's really happening or was this a big scary dog that scared the crap out of people in the neighborhood, who then called the cops, who then somehow came somewhat close to the period of time in which the event occurred by some miracle, the dog then scared the crap out of the cop and he got trigger happy?

I think the latter explanation is more accurate. It doesn't excuse killing a dog, but I'm not exactly sure without knowing exactly what happened that it's worth ruining the cop's life.

A cop that is "trigger happy" shouldn't be a cop. No? But, logic won't appeal to you. You are here to shit stir. I've seen it in another thread where you brought an unrelated subject into a discussion and painted a generalized portrait of RPFers in a negative light. Your style of writing is somehow familiar though I can't put an exact name to it.Here's another neg rep for ya.