Elizabeth Kucinich: My Husband Would "Absolutely" Consider Running With Ron Paul

[qwerty]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/23/elizabeth-kucinich-my-hu_n_73905.html

[steph3n]

But it won't happen, really......and i am sorry but I couldn't vote for such a ticket

[Elwar]

We'd be a heartbeat away from a Communist president.

[Ozwest]

Who cares, that woman is incredibly HOT in so many ways...

[RPinSEAZ]

I can't imagine RP would ever allow a socialist as his VP even if they agree on the war. There are so many other good people out there that don't think the role of the government is to be your caretaker.

[UCFGavin]

But it won't happen, really......and i am sorry but I couldn't vote for such a ticket

with RP as president i fail to see the problem.

[foofighter20x]

Quick! Hide the booze! The Kucinichs just want free drinks!

[RPFTW!]

with RP as president i fail to see the problem.

Exactly let Ron Paul run the economy and they both can control the foreign policy, Kucinich can run the social programs (Ron Paul said that he won't kick anyone out in the street, he advocates a transition period, I think Kucinich would do a decent job)

[RobertJ]

Judge Andrew Napolitano would make the best VP for Dr Paul in my opinion.

If Kucinich gets involved in any way, RP will lose 75% his support.

[RPFTW!]

Judge Andrew Napolitano would make the best VP for Dr Paul in my opinion.

I agree with that, I would prefer loads of people over Kucinich but Kucinich is a good guy and would bring in a lot of votes (a lot of dems HATE hillary) Strategically it would be a good move IMHO

[McDermit]

It would certainly be interesting, that's for sure.

I'd vote that ticket in a heartbeat. Kucinich scares me a bit, but he and RP are friends... and with RP in charge, Kucinich couldn't get too carried away. Plus you'd have a bunh of Dem votes. Kucinich just has an electibility problem. No one thinks he'd stand a chance.

[Hope]

Kucinich wants to wiggle his way into the White House any way he can. I have to say I'm really taken aback by all the people seriously considering the idea -- it makes Tucker's claims of RP's supporters not being truly devoted to his platform not so farfetched.

To those who think it wouldn't matter, consider that the VP throws the deciding vote in a deadlocked Congress and that we've had several presidents die while in office. This is ridiculous talk that only marginlizes Ron Paul from the Republican base we need to get him the nomination. Let's move on already.

[Drknows]

Hey Dennis has plenty of supporters, I dont agree with Dennis on everything but i think some of us could say the same thing for Ron Paul.

Its the key issues that bring us together. Ron Paul is a uniter. Besides they both rock the constitution.

I said it once before we cant win this nomination without democrats and independents.

I would welcome Dennis as a VP.

[disciple]

Kucinich is a decent man, but I prefer Ron's program.

[winston_blade]

Kucinich is an alright guy, but he doesn't follow the constitution even though he claims to.

[steph3n]

I agree with that, I would prefer loads of people over Kucinich but Kucinich is a good guy and would bring in a lot of votes (a lot of dems HATE hillary) Strategically it would be a good move IMHO

a lot? yea right, seriously we have a lot more support than him

[FunkBuddha]

Kucinich for Secretary of State maybe???

[steph3n]

Kucinich wants to wiggle his way into the White House any way he can. I have to say I'm really taken aback by all the people seriously considering the idea -- it makes Tucker's claims of RP's supporters not being truly devoted to his platform not so farfetched.

To those who think it wouldn't matter, consider that the VP throws the deciding vote in a deadlocked Congress and that we've had several presidents die while in office. This is ridiculous talk that only marginlizes Ron Paul from the Republican base we need to get him the nomination. Let's move on already.

Agree 100%!!

[smartbandwidth]

Thoughts, feedback....?

http://thefreedomfellowship.blogspot.com/2007/11/elizabeth-kucinich-my-husband-would.html

Here's my take:

If Dennis and Elizabeth can agree with Ed Griffin's "Creed of Freedom" - see http://freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=creed - then we might really have a revolution on our hands!

Peace and God Bless,

[RPinSEAZ]

repost.

[Hook]

As long as he doesn't have anything to do with economic policy, he would be ok I guess.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Don't care and it'll never happen in a million years.

[disciple]

There are but a few decent politicians left, and Kucinich is definitely one of them. Although I do think that this country needs Ron Paul's programm for a thorough overhaul.

[JMann]

I'm sure he would but I can hope that RP doesn't make that mistake.

[BLS]

The LAST thing we need is another guy labeled as a "KOOK" to be on our side.

Kucinich's elevator don't go to the top floor.

[Ron LOL]

I'm sure he would but I can hope that RP doesn't make that mistake.

I couldn't agree more. I like Dennis and respect him a lot as being a principled dude, but there just isn't a match here.

[RPFTW!]

a lot? yea right, seriously we have a lot more support than him

Thats what I thought too, but over at democraticunderground they had a poll to see who would they vote for if it was Paul vs Hillary, and 1/3rd voted for Paul, and they don't like paul, they just HATE Hillary. A lot of the Edwards and Obama supporters would go to Kucinich.

[akovacs]

Absolutely not. I don't even want him in the cabinet. He's a socialist.

He's good for being against the war and drug policy, and propping up civil rights. Everything else about him makes me roll my eyes.

[quickmike]

As long as he doesn't have anything to do with economic policy, he would be ok I guess.

Keep him away from the 2nd amendment too. Yeah, that would be a good idea. LOL

[Drknows]

Thats what I thought too, but over at democraticunderground they had a poll to see who would they vote for if it was Paul vs Hillary, and 1/3rd voted for Paul, and they don't like paul, they just HATE Hillary. A lot of the Edwards and Obama supporters would go to Kucinich.

Yes Strategically it would be a AWESOME move. First off the only way for it work is if Dennis drops out now and endorses Ron Paul. Then Ron Paul announces he would consider Dennis as a VP.

We would pick up his supporters. no doubt in my mind, we would have the anti war vote. Hell we might even pull some supporters from Obama.


The democrats dont hate Ron Paul they hate republicans. if that happen we would pick up a lot of democrats. Not just the ones voting for dennis.


the media would jump all over this. But then again that might be a bad thing LOL.

[RPFTW!]

Yes Strategically it would be a AWESOME move. First off the only way for it work is if Dennis drops out now and endorses Ron Paul. Then Ron Paul announces he would consider Dennis as a VP.

We would pick up his supporters. no doubt in my mind, we would have the anti war vote. Hell we might even pull some supporters from Obama.


The democrats dont hate Ron Paul they hate republicans. if that happen we would pick up a lot of democrats. Not just the ones voting for dennis.


the media would jump all over this. But then again that might be a bad thing LOL.
I agree 100%.

[PatriotOne]

There are several important issues they agree on and they could work together to fix. Not the least of all is the insidious corruption problem and the war. Heck, Dennis could spend his 4 yrs in term just dealing with corruption alone.

[ADGettis]

You folks make me wonder sometimes. We're trying to get old-right Republican Ron Paul nominated by the GOP, and you're seriously going for this Kucinich idea?!? Let's take a look at his platform:


* Creating a single-payer system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Insurance Act. X
* The immediate, phased withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq; replacing them with an international security force.
* Guaranteed quality education for all; including free pre-kindergarten and college for all who want it. X
* Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
* Repealing the USA PATRIOT Act.
* Fostering a world of international cooperation.
* Abolishing the death penalty.
* Environmental renewal and clean energy. X
* Preventing the privatization of social security. X
* Providing full social security benefits at age 65. X
* Creating a cabinet-level "Department of Peace" X
* Ratifying the ABM Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol. X
* Introducing reforms to bring about instant-runoff voting.
* Protecting a woman's right to choose while decreasing the number of abortions performed in the U.S. X
* Ending the War on Drugs.
* Legalizing same-sex marriage. X
* Creating a balance between workers and corporations. X
* Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
* Restoring rural communities and family farms. X
* Strengthening gun control. X

Not that all of the X-ed items are bad ideas, but this is NOT the role of the federal government, and as Paul supporters, I would think you would all know that!

I don't care if he would attract Democratic crossover votes. I don't care whether or not he would chase away most Republican votes (he would). The problem is that Ron Paul's campaign is based upon principles, the reason Ron Paul is as successful as he is is because of those principles, and Dennis Kucinich does NOT share those principles!

How about we forget about Kucinich and work on getting Ron Paul the REPUBLICAN nomination?

[TheEvilDetector]

I do not think Kucinich is the right philosophical fit for the VP post, given that Ron Paul represents a philosophical shift in governance towards a smaller foot print.

Furthermore, this appointment represents communism one CFR sponsored bullet away, not a smart practical move.

Also, I'd like to say that his wife sounds very intelligent, which is quite refreshing to see in light of all the bimbos we get stuffed down our throats on television.

Congratulations are in order to DK.

PC Disclaimer: Women and men are both just as intelligent as each other.

[kimosabi]

From what I can gather Kucinich and the good Dr regularily find themselves voting against the same bills...

[apc3161]

Allow Kucinich to be secretary of state. Foreign policy is the one issue they both agree upon, problem solved.

[dsentell]

Kucinich is a socialist who wants to take our guns. Does that seem anything like Dr. Paul?

[jeffhenderson]

I think it would be dandy either way. The fact that Thomas Jefferson was vice president in 1798 during the Adams administration I think helped save this country from tyranny. (http://www.mises.org/resources/0d9ca7af-6a89-4fc3-94e8-7be4a69622fb). Adams was from the Federalist Party and Jefferson was from the Republican-Democratic Party. They had VERY different political views. Adams signed the abominable Alien and Sedition Acts into law, which made it a crime to speak against the President or Congress (it was still fine to speak against the Vice President). Jefferson responded by anonymously drawing up the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798, which rendered void the Alien and Sedition Acts.

That sort of balance of power would similarly be a good thing in a Kucinich administration with Ron Paul as VP. But if I were Ron Paul I would stick with Walter Williams as a running-mate.

[Matt Collins]

I just want to watch Ron give her "an exam" :D

[Matt Collins]

Judge Andrew Napolitano would make the best VP for Dr Paul in my opinion.He would be great because he would get the Italian community involved and the Judge is an awesome guy.

However I think his talents would be better spent as AG or as an appointment to the USSC.

[FreeTraveler]

I don't care if he would attract Democratic crossover votes. I don't care whether or not he would chase away most Republican votes (he would). The problem is that Ron Paul's campaign is based upon principles, the reason Ron Paul is as successful as he is is because of those principles, and Dennis Kucinich does NOT share those principles!

How about we forget about Kucinich and work on getting Ron Paul the REPUBLICAN nomination?

+1000 - Kooksinich is a SOCIALIST! What part of that word don't you understand?

[partypooper]

dr paul commands respect, kucinich doesn't. republicans fear ron paul. democrats laugh at kucinich. and he is laughable. dr paul gives an impression of a wise, old man. kucinich gives an impression of somebody who never grew up.

i am pretty open minded but would never vote for kucinich, ever. yes, paul-kucinich ticket would bring us 1% of kucinich votes. it would also take away about 99% of republican votes.

[zahirakids]

I searched around and I couldn't find anything so I am sorry if there is already a thread on it.

Has anyone seen this:

Elizabeth Kuchinich: My Husband Would Absolutely Consider Running With Ron Paul! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjiGuOsKr04&eurl=http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/241107Kucinich.htm)

Not sure what to think???

[Adamsa]

It's nice they like Ron, but there is just too much difference.

No, just no.

[Kingfisher]

Dr. Paul would never go for it.

[jrich4rpaul]

I see Kucinich is using the Gravel tactic: show interest in Paul for attention.

[zahirakids]

I almost wanted to start laughing when I saw it...they are just to different except for ending the war.

[Menthol Patch]

Kucinich is a high taxing gun grabbing socialist.

The idea that he would run with Ron Paul is insane.

[sharedvoice]

Kucinich is good, but not THAT good. He's just not the Same caliber to be honest. Ross Perot has a better shot TBH.

[Menthol Patch]

Kucinich is not good at all.

He is a monster! He wants to take away your right to bare arms, he wants to steal your money via the income tax, he would do nothing to REDUCE the size of government, and he wants to start up a national health care system!

The idea of Ron Paul running with this big government THUG makes me want to vomit!

[Mr. White]

As one who desires honest politicians, I'd be cool with that.

[purepaloma]

No way, No thanks. Ron Paul does not need the UFO guy to get the GOP nomination.

We need someone along the lines of a Barry Goldwater Jr. as VP !

[Ibtz]

I'm afraid this thread may scare away those looking into Dr. Paul for the first time.

[sharedvoice]

No way, No thanks. Ron Paul does not need the UFO guy to get the GOP nomination.


lol @ UFO Guy

[idiom]

Such a nut, there are no UFO's, they are all secret government coverups!

Hello Kettle, this is the Pot calling :D

[K1RBY]

of course he would run with RP...but wtf would paul want a leftest democrat ruining his country?

[kahless]

Those that are not familiar with Ron Paul may be driven from supporting him because of this continual association. This even though they are opposites on most policies except for Iraq.

The only person these threads are helping is Kuchinich. One therefore wonders the motivation of these continual posts.

[Mandrik]

If I were RP, I'd run with Elizabeth Kuchinich. Yummy! :D

[monotony]

Anyone that the mass media beats up on as much as Kucinich must be doing something right. Although the positions differ on a lot of policies, two uncompromising people on one ticket would be ideal.

Plus I would love to see Bush and his cabinet prosecuted as criminals and Ron Paul has no intention of doing this.

[Politeia]

He wants to take away your right to bare arms....

What, you mean he'll force us all to wear long-sleeve shirts?

Dear, sweet Dennis is very popular where I live, a bastion of leftover 60s leftism (as was I before I heard of Ron Paul in 1981). I've even heard some local liberals wistfully say they'd like to see a Paul/Kucinich ticket. Which only demonstrates how few people actually think these days.

Seems doubtful Kucinich would be willing to junk his entire platform -- except for opposition to the Iraq war -- to join a movement which represents the very opposite of everything he has ever fought for. Has he ever read any Austrian Economics? Doubt he'd have any idea what the term means.

Actually, the only thing Kucinich has going for him is his principled consistency -- his "principles" may all derive from his "Communism Lite (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/mcpherson9.html)", but at least he sticks to them. Even if he were to change all his positions, could anyone trust him thereafter?

This idea is a non-starter.

[Politeia]

Anyone that the mass media beats up on as much as Kucinich must be doing something right.

They beat up on Kucinich because he's a clown, good for a laugh. They beat up on Dr. Paul because they're afraid of him.

I met someone who spends a lot of time in the halls of Congress, lobbying for patients' rights. She says people there make funny faces at Kucinich behind his back; he's a laughing stock. Ron Paul they respect, even if he mystifies them.

[RonPaulCult]

Well this comes up so often on this board. It's only because there are so few honest politicians to choose from as a VP. I don't thin it would work but I understand the two are good friends and I think there is room for DK in the Ron Paul administration - just not as VP.

[jmdrake]

You folks make me wonder sometimes. We're trying to get old-right Republican Ron Paul nominated by the GOP, and you're seriously going for this Kucinich idea?!? Let's take a look at his platform:



Not that all of the X-ed items are bad ideas, but this is NOT the role of the federal government, and as Paul supporters, I would think you would all know that!

I don't care if he would attract Democratic crossover votes. I don't care whether or not he would chase away most Republican votes (he would). The problem is that Ron Paul's campaign is based upon principles, the reason Ron Paul is as successful as he is is because of those principles, and Dennis Kucinich does NOT share those principles!

How about we forget about Kucinich and work on getting Ron Paul the REPUBLICAN nomination?

Actually a couple of your "x quotes" are misleading. Ron Paul does NOT support privatizing social security, at least not the way it's been billed. Here's a Ron Paul quote on the issue.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul215.html

We’ve all heard proposals for “privatizing” the Social Security system. The best private solution, of course, is simply to allow the American people to keep more of their paychecks and invest for retirement as they see fit. But putting Social Security funds into government-approved investments could have dangerous consequences. Private companies would become a partner of sorts with the government. Individuals still would not truly own their invested Social Security funds. Payroll taxes likely would be raised to cover payments to current beneficiaries, as the President alluded to when warning us that fixing Social Security would be “costly.”

Furthermore, who would decide what stocks, bonds, mutual funds, or other investment vehicles deserve government approval? Which politicians would you trust to build an investment portfolio with billions of your Social Security dollars? The federal government has proven itself incapable of good money management, and permitting politicians and bureaucrats to make investment decisions would result in unscrupulous lobbying for venture capital. Large campaign contributors and private interests of every conceivable type would seek to have their favored investments approved by the government. In a free market, an underperforming or troubled company suffers a decrease in its stock price, forcing it either to improve or lose value. Wary investors hesitate to buy its stock after the price falls. If a company successfully lobbied Congress, however, it would enjoy a large investment of your tax dollars. This investment would cause an artificial increase in its stock price, deceiving private investors and unfairly harming the company's honest competition. Government-managed investment of tax dollars in the private market is a recipe for corruption and fiscal irresponsibility.

The Social Security crisis is a spending crisis. The program could be saved tomorrow if Congress simply would stop spending so much money, apply even 10% of the bloated federal budget to a real trust fund, and begin saving your contributions to earn simple interest. That this simple approach seems impossible speaks volumes about the inability of Congress to cut spending no matter what the circumstances.

Also Ron Paul supports renewable energy. He just isn't for subsidies. But he would legalize hemp which could be used for renewable energy.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_Addresses_Marijuana_Issues_and_Hemp_as_a_ Renewable_Energy_Source

So he has the same goal as Kucinich on the issue, though they support different tactics.

Finally almost any person you could think of has different views than Ron Paul on some things. Take Tom Tancredo for instance. Great on the border and gun control, but supports torture. (In the first debate he said he was "looking for Jack Bauer".) As the campaign has gone on Tancredo has mellowed out some (even going so far as to criticize the surge) but I'm sure I could still find a lot of "red Xs" if we did a Tancredo/Paul comparison.

Really, everyone that is panicking over this is NOT helping the campaign! It's not like Ron has announced Dennis as VP. But we DO NEED to win over some of the antiwar crowd that is still hoping for a democratic solution to Iraq. Some of them hate Ron Paul, but some are more than willing to consider him. That doesn't mean that Dennis needs to be VP or even in the cabinet, but all of the attacks on someone who's supporters MIGHT come to us simply aren't helpful.

Regards,

John M. Drake