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supermario21
03-21-2013, 08:45 PM
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00048

First was Stabenow's amendment to establish a deficit-neutral reserve fund to protect Medicare's guaranteed benefits and to prohibit replacing guaranteed benefits with the House passed budget plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program. This was approved 96-3 (how did more Republicans not vote against this????!!!)




This was the Ryan budget vote. I'm assuming Heller and Collins we're opposed from the left, not the right.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00046

Brett85
03-21-2013, 09:37 PM
I thought Rand liked Ryan's new budget better since it balances in ten years rather than 27? Apparently he doesn't like it enough to vote for it.

supermario21
03-21-2013, 09:41 PM
I think he said on Cavuto it was better but not good enough! Good to see Cruz and Lee with Rand.

Brett85
03-21-2013, 09:44 PM
It's surprising that Lee voted against it since he voted in favor of Ryan's previous budget that balanced in 27 years.

TER
03-21-2013, 09:44 PM
It's time the senate as a whole begins voting on conviction rather then what the party bosses are telling them. Their party bosses are being exposed and history will remember them.

TaftFan
03-21-2013, 09:45 PM
Exit DeMint, enter Cruz.

Sola_Fide
03-21-2013, 10:16 PM
Exit DeMint, enter Cruz.

I still can't overlook Cruz's support for war and Rick Perry. Those are disgusting moves.

T.hill
03-21-2013, 10:21 PM
Voting for this isn't horrible, only because it's much better than 27 years, but voting against it is even better.

Brett85
03-21-2013, 10:25 PM
I still can't overlook Cruz's support for war and Rick Perry. Those are disgusting moves.

What war has Cruz voted for?

TaftFan
03-21-2013, 10:32 PM
Voting for this isn't horrible, only because it's much better than 27 years, but voting against it is even better.

Yeah I wouldn't condemn anybody for it for sure.

Pisces
03-21-2013, 10:34 PM
The recent tax increases are the only reason Ryan's budget now balances in ten years. He does not eliminate any departments and his budget still does nothing to really shrink the size of government.

Brian4Liberty
03-21-2013, 10:35 PM
Exit DeMint, enter Cruz.

Yep. The three musketeers.

Bastiat's The Law
03-21-2013, 10:42 PM
We need to give these guys some reinforcements. Lee Bright anyone?

TaftFan
03-21-2013, 10:46 PM
We need to give these guys some reinforcements. Lee Bright anyone?

Yep, along with Brannon and Broun, and hopefully Amash, Miller, and whoever runs in Iowa.

Noob
03-22-2013, 01:19 AM
they voted against Repealing Obamacare...

Lightweis
03-22-2013, 06:39 AM
I still can't overlook Cruz's support for war and Rick Perry. Those are disgusting moves.


Get a grip

itshappening
03-22-2013, 06:42 AM
Disappointed in Tim Scott.

itshappening
03-22-2013, 06:43 AM
Also Rubio voted for Ryan's budget, so he's on record supporting 3.4% increase every year in government spending.

So much for being a conservative!

Brent Bozell at CPAC said that budget was a joke and should be ripped up.

Brett85
03-22-2013, 07:16 AM
Also Rubio voted for Ryan's budget, so he's on record supporting 3.4% increase every year in government spending.

So much for being a conservative!

Brent Bozell at CPAC said that budget was a joke and should be ripped up.

The budget repealed Obamacare, so it certainly wasn't a terrible budget. I wouldn't have blamed Rand, Lee, and Cruz if they had voted "yes."

itshappening
03-22-2013, 07:33 AM
The budget repealed Obamacare, so it certainly wasn't a terrible budget. I wouldn't have blamed Rand, Lee, and Cruz if they had voted "yes."

Are you nuts? it spends 3.4% more every year and grows government by trillions.

Anyone in their right mind would vote against it.

Brett85
03-22-2013, 08:12 AM
Are you nuts? it spends 3.4% more every year and grows government by trillions.

Anyone in their right mind would vote against it.

And yet if you listen to the media you'll hear that it's a "radical budget" that slashes spending, makes draconian cuts to the social safety net, and ends Medicare. It's gotten to the point where anyone who wants to balance the budget in five years is an anarchist.

lib3rtarian
03-22-2013, 11:25 AM
Yep, along with Brannon and Broun, and hopefully Amash, Miller, and whoever runs in Iowa.

I dreamt yesterday that Amash won MI Senate seat in 2014, Brannon won NC, Broun won GA, and Davis/Bright won SC. This is what I see in my dreams now. I need to lay off politics for a while.

compromise
03-22-2013, 11:31 AM
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00048

First was Stabenow's amendment to establish a deficit-neutral reserve fund to protect Medicare's guaranteed benefits and to prohibit replacing guaranteed benefits with the House passed budget plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program. This was approved 96-3 (how did more Republicans not vote against this????!!!)




This was the Ryan budget vote. I'm assuming Heller and Collins we're opposed from the left, not the right.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00046

Heller's relatively conservative, and had some Tea Party support back in 2011.

T.hill
03-22-2013, 11:37 AM
Yep, along with Brannon and Broun, and hopefully Amash, Miller, and whoever runs in Iowa.

I'm hoping it's Drew Ivers, because I think Spiker and Fischer have important roles already leading the state Republican Party.

Sola_Fide
03-22-2013, 11:40 AM
Get a grip

On what?

Lightweis
03-22-2013, 11:57 AM
On what?

attacking cruz

Sola_Fide
03-22-2013, 12:00 PM
attacking cruz

Cruz, his supporters, and the "Liberty movement" (I use that term loosely) need to know there are patriots in this country that will not stand for militarism.

Brett85
03-22-2013, 12:11 PM
Cruz, his supporters, and the "Liberty movement" (I use that term loosely) need to know there are patriots in this country that will not stand for militarism.

Ever? So it's immoral for our country to ever use military action under any circumstances?

Sola_Fide
03-22-2013, 12:17 PM
Ever? So it's immoral for our country to ever use military action under any circumstances?

No. Not in the defense of our nation in a declared war by congress.

But if you are a Christian, as Ted Cruz purports to be, then you must go even farther. Not only must you not be in favor of militarism, but you must denounce illegal wars and immoral murders with all of your being. If you are a Christian, you must denounce our current policy

Anti-Neocon
03-22-2013, 12:18 PM
Ever? So it's immoral for our country to ever use military action under any circumstances?
So not standing for militarism means that you believe it's always immoral to use military action? Let's not go full straw man here.

Lightweis
03-22-2013, 12:19 PM
Cruz, his supporters, and the "Liberty movement" (I use that term loosely) need to know there are patriots in this country that will not stand for militarism.

Cruz is probably not going to be with Rand on 100 percent of the Issues. I am grateful that he backed up Rand during the filibuster.

jtstellar
03-22-2013, 12:46 PM
I thought Rand liked Ryan's new budget better since it balances in ten years rather than 27? Apparently he doesn't like it enough to vote for it.

paul ryan is like the housewife of the old establishment gop, a purse holder. he wouldn't hold a candle to hillary clinton.. we need an ideas guy, a principled person that postulates ideas not a scrawny purse holder. timid ryan with his timid budget isn't going anywhere.

Brett85
03-22-2013, 02:13 PM
So not standing for militarism means that you believe it's always immoral to use military action? Let's not go full straw man here.

Well, what does "militarism" actually mean? I'm certainly in favor of militarism in order to defend the lives and liberties of the American people.

Brett85
03-22-2013, 02:16 PM
No. Not in the defense of our nation in a declared war by congress.

But if you are a Christian, as Ted Cruz purports to be, then you must go even farther. Not only must you not be in favor of militarism, but you must denounce illegal wars and immoral murders with all of your being. If you are a Christian, you must denounce our current policy

It wasn't immoral to go into Afghanistan in the first place, and that's really the only full fledged war that we're in now. I'm opposed to the idea of nation building, so I don't think we should be there now. But, the war in Afghanistan was never an "immoral war" since that war was a result of an attack on our country.

Sola_Fide
03-22-2013, 03:38 PM
It wasn't immoral to go into Afghanistan in the first place, and that's really the only full fledged war that we're in now. I'm opposed to the idea of nation building, so I don't think we should be there now. But, the war in Afghanistan was never an "immoral war" since that war was a result of an attack on our country.

No way man. We murder people with drones in several countries now.

Brett85
03-22-2013, 03:41 PM
No way man. We murder people with drones in several countries now.

I agree with what Ron has said, which is that for every terrorist we kill we usually kill 15 innocent people, which causes blowback. But, I don't agree that every single person we kill overseas is just some "innocent person" who's been murdered by our government for no reason at all.

Sola_Fide
03-22-2013, 04:02 PM
I agree with what Ron has said, which is that for every terrorist we kill we usually kill 15 innocent people, which causes blowback. But, I don't agree that every single person we kill overseas is just some "innocent person" who's been murdered by our government for no reason at all.

Our government shouldn't be in their countries murdering them!