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sailingaway
03-19-2013, 02:59 PM
video at link: http://sgtreport.com/2013/03/dhs-refuses-to-answer-congress-about-its-purchase-of-1-6-billion-bullets/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=HbfjxjpKoR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HbfjxjpKoR8

Anti Federalist
03-19-2013, 03:12 PM
Why is this a surprise?

The Sicherheitspolizei never had to report to to any of the Mundanes at the Reichstag.

Michigan11
03-19-2013, 03:15 PM
Well that's not good. I was asking this in another thread if congress or anyone with a pulse asked the DHS what their purpose was for these purchases. How the DHS refuses to answer this to representatives, is in my opinion worthy of spreading around, probably would be better too if it was written up, but these purchases have most repubs worried right now, from what I hear personally.

I think it's scary, yet obvious what these purchases are for, and that anyone with a brain should think of how to prepare, while also assisting those we trust in politics as well by donating and spreading the word about our allies. Something is not right at all if the DHS a department, funded by congress, refuses to answer questions by congress.

In conclusion, I am more optimistic than ever that we are making a breakthrough politically, yet I am more pesimistic than ever that we are going down the tubes at an alarming rate at the same time. Almost like two lines converging, which is in a way, a reason why the other line is graphing up

Uriel999
03-19-2013, 03:18 PM
While the first reason is obvious I think they are also buying up so much so that the companies can't get enough out to the gen pop. So it serves twofold, they stock up and you can't find ammo at the store

Michigan11
03-19-2013, 03:24 PM
While the first reason is obvious I think they are also buying up so much so that the companies can't get enough out to the gen pop. So it serves twofold, they stock up and you can't find ammo at the store

I've thought of that too, as I'm sure most have, but why wouldn't the suppliers just produce more ammo? I think there is something deeper going on here, where these gun and ammo companies may be colluding here with Big G possibly. We could be in 1984 territory here where the gun companies are acting like victims while putting out these press releases saying they won't sell to Big G, yet they are the ones trully gaining in this environment. Makes me think

Acala
03-19-2013, 03:35 PM
I've thought of that too, as I'm sure most have, but why wouldn't the suppliers just produce more ammo?

Resources are scarce. Machinery, labor, brass, gunpowder are all finite. It takes time and capital investment to increase production capacity and if the sudden increase in demand is based primarily on a temporary panic induced by a political anomaly, then it would be very risky to invest capital in trying to meet the demand only to have it flatten out in a year and leave you with excess capacity and excess employees.

ZENemy
03-19-2013, 03:48 PM
Taxation withou.....aw fuck it

robert9712000
03-19-2013, 04:04 PM
so wait,am i wrong in my understanding that the congressmen were like the bosses for all the other departments and that they had to listen too them?Are there departments that are above the rule of congress?

devil21
03-19-2013, 04:06 PM
Resources are scarce. Machinery, labor, brass, gunpowder are all finite. It takes time and capital investment to increase production capacity and if the sudden increase in demand is based primarily on a temporary panic induced by a political anomaly, then it would be very risky to invest capital in trying to meet the demand only to have it flatten out in a year and leave you with excess capacity and excess employees.

Most ammo companies are already at full capacity and backordered years of product. They can expand but it takes time to put new production lines together. Find space, gather the equipment (surely makers of dies and every other component of ammo production lines are backordered too!), then the resources you mentioned are scarce too. It's not just as simple as "speeding up the production lines". There's a thread about this stuff over on GLP that's pretty informative as far as production issues are concerned. I still also remember that many of the ammo and gun makers were bought up by Freedom Group, a subsidiary of politically connected Cerberus Capital.

Anti Federalist
03-19-2013, 04:07 PM
Resources are scarce. Machinery, labor, brass, gunpowder are all finite. It takes time and capital investment to increase production capacity and if the sudden increase in demand is based primarily on a temporary panic induced by a political anomaly, then it would be very risky to invest capital in trying to meet the demand only to have it flatten out in a year and leave you with excess capacity and excess employees.

Thank "just in time" supply chain management.

Yet another aspect of this futuristic, globalized, WonderWorld that brings my inner Luddite, out.

Anti Federalist
03-19-2013, 04:08 PM
so wait,am i wrong in my understanding that the congressmen were like the bosses for all the other departments and that they had to listen too them?Are there departments that are above the rule of congress?

Very wrong, Mundane.

Now, get back in line and move along.

Spikender
03-19-2013, 04:09 PM
Thank "just in time" supply chain management.

Yet another aspect of this futuristic, globalized, WonderWorld that brings my inner Luddite, out.

Gotta love good ol' JIT.

You bet that every single one of my economics professors talked that up.

belian78
03-19-2013, 04:09 PM
I look at it this way, when we really need that ammo, we'll know exactly where to go to find it. Thanks for keeping it safe for us guys!

phill4paul
03-19-2013, 04:13 PM
Very wrong, Mundane.

Now, get back in line and move along.

Quite right.

Dear "Representative" of the people,

STFU or we can bury you in scandal.

Sincerely, the people with the surveillance, guns and a big case of FUCK YOU.

DamianTV
03-19-2013, 04:26 PM
It is apparent that the question of "will the US Govt declare war on its own "eople" has been answered. But every answer brings new questions. The question is now "Who will be the ones to open fire on the People?, but I think even that question is quite rhetorical...

Anti Federalist
03-19-2013, 04:29 PM
It is apparent that the question of "will the US Govt declare war on its own "eople" has been answered. But every answer brings new questions. The question is now "Who will be the ones to open fire on the People?, but I think even that question is quite rhetorical...

They do every day.

I'm waiting for the first drone killing.

Has anyone been killed by one of the non flying ones yet?

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/03/talon_swat.jpg

http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/drone_protector_lockheed_bae_systems_raphael_navy_ usv_boat_operation_neptune_cyber_wars.jpg

Neil Desmond
03-19-2013, 04:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q6YcN3DSCg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpZRcZ3G5no


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ylEsPKxvUw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSy89BU1djU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOXbGk3EYxs

http://www.ehow.com/how_2212846_make-ammunition.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070928161938AAOOj5w

http://thehomegunsmith.com/homemadeammo.html

http://www.corbins.com/

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/how-to-get-started-reloading-ammunition/

http://ask.metafilter.com/142077/How-do-you-make-ammo-after-the-world-ends

http://home.earthlink.net/~mhclary/MakingYourOwnBullets.pdf

DamianTV
03-19-2013, 04:40 PM
They do every day.

I'm waiting for the first drone killing.

Has anyone been killed by one of the non flying ones yet?

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/03/talon_swat.jpg

http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/drone_protector_lockheed_bae_systems_raphael_navy_ usv_boat_operation_neptune_cyber_wars.jpg

Plenty have been already. They're called Guns, Tazers, and Police Brutality.

seapilot
03-19-2013, 06:57 PM
Another theory could be that there is some major embezzling going on with some higher ups and contractors. They know what is coming down the pipe and it makes sense for the corrupt to cash in before it all goes bad. They show bullets purchased on paper while the money goes someplace else.

James Madison
03-19-2013, 07:01 PM
'Transparency'

'The most transparent administration ever'

:rolleyes:

awake
03-19-2013, 07:05 PM
Congress is irrelevant at this point.

coastie
03-19-2013, 07:11 PM
Congress is irrelevant at this point.



Soooooooo, can't congress simply refuse to fund them any longer?

http://www.picvalley.net/u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F)

Anti Federalist
03-19-2013, 07:16 PM
+rep

/thread



Soooooooo, can't congress simply refuse to fund them any longer?

http://www.picvalley.net/u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F)

shane77m
03-19-2013, 07:17 PM
+rep Sailing

Now if only Congress will do something about it.

coastie
03-19-2013, 07:19 PM
+rep Sailing

Now if only Congress will do something about it.

http://www.picvalley.net/u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F)

shane77m
03-19-2013, 07:38 PM
I just realized what I said about Congress doing anything.

http://www.picvalley.net/u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F

Anti Federalist
03-19-2013, 08:05 PM
http://www.picvalley.net/u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F)


I just realized what I said about Congress doing anything.

http://www.picvalley.net/u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F

I know, right???

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzkrjnNkHM1qm80h0o1_500.gif

HOLLYWOOD
03-20-2013, 12:16 AM
80% of DHS budget is discretionary... we are all being conned by Congress and the powers that control them. If they wanted the answer(s) which they already know, I they have to do is cut off spending and fire the head of the Department. Have they? Nope... because like I said, we are all being played as fools.

CPUd
03-20-2013, 01:10 AM
Where does the 1.6 billion figure come from?

The ATK order contained a figure for a maximum of 450 million over 5 years (first year, plus 4 optional years), made in March 2012: http://atk.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=25280&item=124123

That is a max of 90 million a year (assuming they use all 5 years equally) for their armed field officers who must maintain their firearms qualifications, meaning lots of time at the firing range. How many rounds do you use when you go to the range?

Todd
03-20-2013, 01:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbfjxjpKoR8

And there you have a member of congress confirming that that the Congress has been seeking answers and DHS refuses to justify the purchases.

Rep Timothy Huelscamp looks like another good congressman. He's on my radar.

Dr.3D
03-20-2013, 03:11 PM
With such cooperation from DHS, I can't for the life of me understand why congress doesn't keep them from getting any money. Congress after all holds the purse strings.

Fivezeroes
03-20-2013, 03:45 PM
DHS is Obama's secret police. They don't answer to anyone but the Fuhrer.

shane77m
03-20-2013, 05:24 PM
http://www.picvalley.net/u/1768/575609348559120401363741879FKPokSdZuqwFYbCcMcAk.GI F