BREAKING - chem weapons used in Syria

[tangent4ronpaul]

supposedly rebels used them and 26 dead.

[ItsTime]

Al Qaeda used chem weapons...awesome... things are about to get nastier.

Any linkage?

[The Goat]

Fox just reported it. Said "damascus is claiming rebels used the chemical weapons, but "sources" say otherwise."

[itshappening]

These are the people the U.S are backing.

Crazed mad men.... nice!

[tangent4ronpaul]

They also said it was a red line... as in - Welcome to the beautiful, scenic country of Syria GI Joe!

-t

[sailingaway]

Aren't we funding the rebels? Or have I mixed that up with one of our many other wars?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

[ItsTime]

Fox just reported it. Said "damascus is claiming rebels used the chemical weapons, but "sources" say otherwise."

Thanks

[juleswin]

Fox just reported it. Said "damascus is claiming rebels used the chemical weapons, but "sources" say otherwise."

Ofc isn't it weird how the MSM quickly swallows the tales from the rebel forces but are so skeptical when the govt tells their own tales.


Syrian state media says rebels fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad have fired a chemical weapon in the north of the country.

"Terrorists launched a missile containing chemical products into the region of Khan al-Assal in the province of Aleppo, killing 15 people, mainly civilians", Sana news agency said.

The government routinely refers to rebels as "terrorists".

Rebels denied the report, accusing the government of using chemical agents.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21841217

[sailingaway]

Ofc isn't it weird how the MSM quickly swallows the tales from the rebel forces but are so skeptical when the govt tells their own tales.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21841217

check out the link I posted above from this summer:


A U.S. government source acknowledged that under provisions of the presidential finding, the United States was collaborating with a secret command center operated by Turkey and its allies.

Last week, Reuters reported that, along with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Turkey had established a secret base near the Syrian border to help direct vital military and communications support to Assad's opponents.

This "nerve center" is in Adana, a city in southern Turkey about 60 miles from the Syrian border, which is also home to Incirlik, a U.S. air base where U.S. military and intelligence agencies maintain a substantial presence.

Turkey's moderate Islamist government has been demanding Assad's departure with growing vehemence. Turkish authorities are said by current and former U.S. government officials to be increasingly involved in providing Syrian rebels with training and possibly equipment.

European government sources said wealthy families in Saudi Arabia and Qatar were providing significant financing to the rebels. Senior officials of the Saudi and Qatari governments have publicly called for Assad's departure.

On Tuesday, NBC News reported that the Free Syrian Army had obtained nearly two dozen surface-to-air missiles, weapons that could be used against Assad's helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft. Syrian government armed forces have employed such air power more extensively in recent days.

NBC said the shoulder-fired missiles, also known as MANPADs, had been delivered to the rebels via Turkey.

On Wednesday, however, Bassam al-Dada, a political adviser to the Free Syrian Army, denied the NBC report, telling the Arabic-language TV network Al-Arabiya that the group had "not obtained any such weapons at all." U.S. government sources said they could not confirm the MANPADs deliveries, but could not rule them out either.

Current and former U.S. and European officials previously said that weapons supplies, which were being organized and financed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, were largely limited to guns and a limited number of anti-tank weapons, such as bazookas.

Indications are that U.S. agencies have not been involved in providing weapons to Assad's opponents. In order to do so, Obama would have to approve a supplement, known as a "memorandum of notification, to his initial broad intelligence finding.

Further such memoranda would have to be signed by Obama to authorize other specific clandestine operations to support Syrian rebels.

Reuters first reported last week that the White House had crafted a directive authorizing greater U.S. covert assistance to Syrian rebels. It was unclear at that time whether Obama had signed it.

OVERT SUPPORT

Separately from the president's secret order, the Obama administration has stated publicly that it is providing some backing for Assad's opponents.

The State Department said on Wednesday the U.S. government had set aside a total of $25 million for "non-lethal" assistance to the Syrian opposition. A U.S. official said that was mostly for communications equipment, including encrypted radios.

The State Department also says the United States has set aside $64 million in humanitarian assistance for the Syrian people, including contributions to the World Food Program, the International Committee of the Red Cross and other aid agencies.

Also on Wednesday, the U.S. Treasury confirmed it had granted authorization to the Syrian Support Group, Washington representative of one of the most active rebel factions, the Free Syrian Army, to conduct financial transactions on the rebel group's behalf. The authorization was first reported on Friday by Al-Monitor, a Middle East news and commentary website.

Last year, when rebels began organizing themselves to challenge the rule of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Obama also signed an initial "finding" broadly authorizing secret U.S. backing for them. But the president moved cautiously in authorizing specific measures to support them.

Some U.S. lawmakers, such as Republican Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, have criticized Obama for moving too slowly to assist the rebels and have suggested the U.S. government become directly involved in arming Assad's opponents.

Other lawmakers have suggested caution, saying too little is known about the many rebel groups.



and this, 19 hours ago:


US OK with France, UK arming Syria's rebels
By BRADLEY KLAPPER | Associated Press – 19 hrs ago


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration lent its support Monday to British and French plans to arm Syria's rebels, saying it wouldn't stand in the way of any country seeking to rebalance the fight against an Assad regime supported by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.
Secretary of State John Kerry said the longer Syria's two-year civil war goes on, the greater the danger of its institutions collapsing and extremists getting their hands on the Arab country's vast chemical weapons arsenal. With some 450,000 Syrians living in neighboring countries as refugees already, he said the conflict is becoming a "global catastrophe."
Kerry said the world needs to change Syrian President Bashar Assad's calculations.
"If he believes he can shoot it out, Syrians and the region have a problem, and the world has a problem," Kerry told reporters after a meeting with Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr.
Kerry said the U.S. wants to leave the door open for a political solution. But concerning Syria's rebels, he added, "the United States does not stand in the way of other countries that made a decision to provide arms, whether it's France or Britain or others."
The comments come after French President Francois Hollande said last week that his country and Britain were pushing the European Union to lift its arms embargo on Syria as soon as possible so that they can send weapons to rebel fighters. The two countries are seeking military help for the rebels by the end of May or earlier if possible. But Germany and other EU nations have been skeptical about sending weapons, pointing to the risk of further escalation in a volatile region.
The United States long held the same conviction, with President Barack Obama and other officials saying more weapons in Syria would only make peace harder. As the violence has worsened over the last year, Washington has tempered that message somewhat. It is now promising nonlethal aid to the anti-Assad militias in the form of meals and medical kits, and refusing to rule out further escalation.
And support for greater U.S. involvement appears to be growing in Congress. On Monday, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee introduced legislation to train and arm vetted Syrian opposition forces.
The groups must be opposed to Assad, willing to establish a peaceful and democratic Syria and committed to securing and safeguarding chemical and biological weapons. No aid could go to a group associated with a foreign terrorist organization, according to the bill by Rep. Eliot Engel of New York.
"It is time for us to develop a comprehensive approach to stopping the carnage," he said in a letter to his colleagues last week.

[A Son of Liberty]

Well, this could get interesting now...

[sailingaway]

But if they are now calling them 'al queda' suddenly, it sounds like they are planning an excuse to take over and pretend the authorization to go after those who planned 9/11 authorizes it. At least, that is what they have pretended lately, ignoring that they had to get authority for Iraq and wouldn't have had to if that authorization really could be interpreted that way.

[Cowlesy]

Well, this could get interesting now...

And caught in the middle of all this...

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-120719-syria-uprising/ss-130227-syria-03.ss_full.jpg
(Photo from NBC News);
Caption: A girl returning from school cries upon seeing her destroyed house after a missile strike in the al-Myassar neighborhood of Aleppo on Feb. 20.

[juleswin]

But if they are now calling them 'al queda' suddenly, it sounds like they are planning an excuse to take over and pretend the authorization to go after those who planned 9/11 authorizes it. At least, that is what they have pretended lately, ignoring that they had to get authority for Iraq and wouldn't have had to if that authorization really could be interpreted that way.


Or maybe they have some deal with Assad and have agreed to take out the cockroaches they unleashed on the country.

[sailingaway]

Or maybe they have some deal with Assad and have agreed to take out the cockroaches they unleashed on the country.

What a tangled web we weave....

You would think they would learn. I am utterly disgusted. I don't even know what to say anymore.

[A Son of Liberty]

And caught in the middle of all this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1mo8hslxEso

Yeah but Jesus Loves Us.

[brushfire]

US supporting tomorrows bad guys (in this case, yesterday's too) - ShShShShockerrrr!!

Befriending evil when its the enemy of "evil" - its a choice - one more of the lesser of 2 evils.
This is the motto of US politics! "We stand for evil, as long as its a perceived lesser evil."

A big F-U goes out to all those unprincipled politicians and the idiot constituents who vote for them...

[ItsTime]

Aren't we funding the rebels? Or have I mixed that up with one of our many other wars?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

Yes we are funding the rebels.
http://libertyclips.com/videos/is-obama-funding-al-qaeda-in-syria-681.html

[supermario21]

Sens. Bob Casey and Marco Rubio have just introduced a bill calling for expanded Syria funding/assistance to opposition.
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2013-03-19-US-Syria-Congress/id-cae88980a78648609c09a4f4f87b4e27?utm_medium=twitte r&utm_source=twitterfeed



WASHINGTON (AP) — A Senate Democrat and Republican are pressing for non-lethal aid to vetted Syrian opposition groups battling the regime of President Bashar Assad.
Sens. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania and Marco Rubio of Florida unveiled their legislation on Tuesday. The measure would authorize additional humanitarian assistance for the Syrian people and provide equipment such as body armor and communications to opposition groups.
Casey and Rubio told reporters that the horrors of the two-year civil war have gone on too long. The lawmakers left open the possibility of arming the rebels at a later date. New York Rep. Eliot Engel introduced legislation on Monday that would arm and train vetted opposition groups.
The bipartisan Senate measure also would expand sanctions against the Central Bank of Syria.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1mo8hslxEso

Yeah but Jesus Loves Us.

Someone please call CPS - that woman has no business raising children :mad:

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Sens. Bob Casey and Marco Rubio have just introduced a bill calling for expanded Syria funding/assistance to opposition.
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2013-03-19-US-Syria-Congress/id-cae88980a78648609c09a4f4f87b4e27?utm_medium=twitte r&utm_source=twitterfeed

WOW! - what incredible timing! - it's almost as if they expected this incident to happen, er I mean what a coincidence... :rolleyes:

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Oh, and the egotist in chief is about to be on... sometime between now and half an hour (within several hours in Obama time).

-t

[A Son of Liberty]

US supporting tomorrows bad guys (in this case, yesterday's too) - ShShShShockerrrr!!

Befriending evil when its the enemy of "evil" - its a choice - one more of the lesser of 2 evils.
This is the motto of US politics! "We stand for evil, as long as its a perceived lesser evil."

A big F-U goes out to all those unprincipled politicians and the idiot constituents who vote for them...

I think you're either giving them too much credit, or need to up your cynicism dosage.

There isn't a "lesser of two evils" approach to the USG's foreign policy. It is a simple case of what angles they can play that work to their advantage.

[A Son of Liberty]

Sens. Bob Casey and Marco Rubio have just introduced a bill calling for expanded Syria funding/assistance to opposition.
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2013-03-19-US-Syria-Congress/id-cae88980a78648609c09a4f4f87b4e27?utm_medium=twitte r&utm_source=twitterfeed

Thank goodness we have a fiat currency! Instead of stealing it from me, their stealing it from my kids! :rolleyes:

[brushfire]

I think you're either giving them too much credit, or need to up your cynicism dosage.

There isn't a "lesser of two evils" approach to the USG's foreign policy. It is a simple case of what angles they can play that work to their advantage.

I'm speaking to the narrative... I'm also generalizing on all politics - local/national.

The constituency is driven by this "lesser of two evils".
I'm sure you've had that conversation with people who liked Ron Paul but claimed he would never win.

I'm convinced that this "lesser evil" conditioning is what allows for our US Foreign policy, and economic policies that "abandon free market principles in order to save the free market". If people stood for their principles, "they" would never get away with any of this crap. Also, this sterilization of the candidate pool would not stand a chance... So continues the motto of US politics...

[green73]

Approprite to this thread. Ben Swann's video from today on the professional terrorists in Syria and the lying Western media.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQBHdp0h1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQBHdp0h1c

The Russian Foreign ministry is saying it was the rebels, fwiw.

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm speaking to the narrative... I'm also generalizing on all politics - local/national.

The constituency is driven by this "lesser of two evils".
I'm sure you've had that conversation with people who liked Ron Paul but claimed he would never win.

I'm convinced that this "lesser evil" conditioning is what allows for our US Foreign policy, and economic policies that "abandon free market principles in order to save the free market". If people stood for their principles, "they" would never get away with any of this crap. Also, this sterilization of the candidate pool would not stand a chance... So continues the motto of US politics...

Ah, gotcha. Interestingly stated, then.

[A Son of Liberty]

The Russian Foreign ministry is saying it was the rebels, fwiw.

Oh, good. That means Uncle Barack can blame Assad, and we can all commence to stimulating ourselves to death!

[Fivezeroes]

Wont be long now before WW3 starts, best way to end a depression? Start a world war, it worked in WW2.

[S.Shorland]

what will russia and china do when Iran is next?

[Fivezeroes]

what will russia and china do when Iran is next?


Hopefully dump all US bonds and bankrupt us, to keep us from going into these futile wars.

[jclay2]

Good to know that alCIAda is keeping busy.

[itshappening]

Wont be long now before WW3 starts, best way to end a depression? Start a world war, it worked in WW2.

Unfortunately people like Krugman believe this and I think they would probably endorse that idea... although he came out and said Iraq was a mistake... but wait, isnt higher spending on the military meant to stimulate the economy etc etc? Odd guy.

[Fivezeroes]

Unfortunately people like Krugman believe this and I think they would probably endorse that idea... although he came out and said Iraq was a mistake... but wait, isnt higher spending on the military meant to stimulate the economy etc etc? Odd guy.

It's pathetic really... I really do see WW3 starting really soon. Just need the next big false flag attack to happen and bam, everyone is down for WW3.

[presence]

(CBS News) There's mounting evidence that over the last two years the Assad regime has used "at least a small quantity" of chemical weapons against rebel forces in Syria's raging civil war, House Intelligence Committee chair Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said today on "Face the Nation," adding that the time is now for U.S. intervention.


"Red line has been crossed"

in Syria, Rogers says



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57576009/red-line-has-been-crossed-in-syria-rogers-says/

VIDEO AT SOURCE

[UpperDecker]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57576009/red-line-has-been-crossed-in-syria-rogers-says/

VIDEO AT SOURCE

Good god, did you read the comments? Ow....my....head. Lol at everybody thinking that this is just a Republican thing.

[UpperDecker]

edit: double