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tangent4ronpaul
03-18-2013, 02:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/opinion/schneier-internet-surveillance/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Editor's note: Bruce Schneier is a security technologist and author of "Liars and Outliers: Enabling the Trust Society Needs to Survive."

(CNN) -- I'm going to start with three data points.

One: Some of the Chinese military hackers who were implicated in a broad set of attacks against the U.S. government and corporations were identified because they accessed Facebook from the same network infrastructure they used to carry out their attacks.

Two: Hector Monsegur, one of the leaders of the LulzSac hacker movement, was identified and arrested last year by the FBI. Although he practiced good computer security and used an anonymous relay service to protect his identity, he slipped up.

And three: Paula Broadwell,who had an affair with CIA director David Petraeus, similarly took extensive precautions to hide her identity. She never logged in to her anonymous e-mail service from her home network. Instead, she used hotel and other public networks when she e-mailed him. The FBI correlated hotel registration data from several different hotels -- and hers was the common name.

The Internet is a surveillance state. Whether we admit it to ourselves or not, and whether we like it or not, we're being tracked all the time. Google tracks us, both on its pages and on other pages it has access to. Facebook does the same; it even tracks non-Facebook users. Apple tracks us on our iPhones and iPads. One reporter used a tool called Collusion to track who was tracking him; 105 companies tracked his Internet use during one 36-hour period.

Increasingly, what we do on the Internet is being combined with other data about us. Unmasking Broadwell's identity involved correlating her Internet activity with her hotel stays. Everything we do now involves computers, and computers produce data as a natural by-product. Everything is now being saved and correlated, and many big-data companies make money by building up intimate profiles of our lives from a variety of sources.

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Facebook, for example, correlates your online behavior with your purchasing habits offline. And there's more. There's location data from your cell phone, there's a record of your movements from closed-circuit TVs.

This is ubiquitous surveillance: All of us being watched, all the time, and that data being stored forever. This is what a surveillance state looks like, and it's efficient beyond the wildest dreams of George Orwell.

Sure, we can take measures to prevent this. We can limit what we search on Google from our iPhones, and instead use computer web browsers that allow us to delete cookies. We can use an alias on Facebook. We can turn our cell phones off and spend cash. But increasingly, none of it matters.

There are simply too many ways to be tracked. The Internet, e-mail, cell phones, web browsers, social networking sites, search engines: these have become necessities, and it's fanciful to expect people to simply refuse to use them just because they don't like the spying, especially since the full extent of such spying is deliberately hidden from us and there are few alternatives being marketed by companies that don't spy.

This isn't something the free market can fix. We consumers have no choice in the matter. All the major companies that provide us with Internet services are interested in tracking us. Visit a website and it will almost certainly know who you are; there are lots of ways to be tracked without cookies. Cellphone companies routinely undo the web's privacy protection. One experiment at Carnegie Mellon took real-time videos of students on campus and was able to identify one-third of them by comparing their photos with publicly available tagged Facebook photos.

Maintaining privacy on the Internet is nearly impossible. If you forget even once to enable your protections, or click on the wrong link, or type the wrong thing, and you've permanently attached your name to whatever anonymous service you're using. Monsegur slipped up once, and the FBI got him. If the director of the CIA can't maintain his privacy on the Internet, we've got no hope.

In today's world, governments and corporations are working together to keep things that way. Governments are happy to use the data corporations collect -- occasionally demanding that they collect more and save it longer -- to spy on us. And corporations are happy to buy data from governments. Together the powerful spy on the powerless, and they're not going to give up their positions of power, despite what the people want.

Fixing this requires strong government will, but they're just as punch-drunk on data as the corporations. Slap-on-the-wrist fines notwithstanding, no one is agitating for better privacy laws.

So, we're done. Welcome to a world where Google knows exactly what sort of porn you all like, and more about your interests than your spouse does. Welcome to a world where your cell phone company knows exactly where you are all the time. Welcome to the end of private conversations, because increasingly your conversations are conducted by e-mail, text, or social networking sites.

And welcome to a world where all of this, and everything else that you do or is done on a computer, is saved, correlated, studied, passed around from company to company without your knowledge or consent; and where the government accesses it at will without a warrant.

Welcome to an Internet without privacy, and we've ended up here with hardly a fight.

(and at the end, for good humor, they tell us to follow CNNOpinion on twitter and facebook :rolleyes: )

-t

Antischism
03-18-2013, 02:16 PM
The best suggestion I can give anyone is to use an anonymizer (anonymous proxy tool) to browse the Internet, and refrain from making a profile on social networking websites. On top of that, always make sure you're using an anti-spyware/malware program (such as 'SUPERAntiSpyware Pro') with active protection, a good firewall (Comodo is great/free) and anti-virus (Nod32 is superb/hassle-free). It's worth the time and effort if you're serious about giving yourself the most protection possible on the Internet. Of course, you could always refrain from going online, but then you wouldn't be able to visit RPF. : p

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
03-18-2013, 02:23 PM
The Internet is a surveillance state.


It always has been.

Deborah K
03-18-2013, 02:25 PM
+Rep Tangent

This needed to be 'said'.

Deborah K
03-18-2013, 03:16 PM
Maintaining privacy on the Internet is nearly impossible. If you forget even once to enable your protections, or click on the wrong link, or type the wrong thing, and you've permanently attached your name to whatever anonymous service you're using. Monsegur slipped up once, and the FBI got him. If the director of the CIA can't maintain his privacy on the Internet, we've got no hope.

This speaks volumns. I'm sure we all know that "they" can track our every move with ease, but to read it in black and white, and put this way, just makes it all too real for me.

It's like, you know that the hamburger you're eating is a slaughtered cow, probably inhumanely treated during its lifetime, and given sub-quality feed; but it doesn't really hit you unless you see a film on farm factories while you're eating the burger.

heavenlyboy34
03-18-2013, 03:56 PM
This is why I have a "dumb" phone. (and only pre-paid at that) Fuck Big Brother.

heavenlyboy34
03-18-2013, 03:59 PM
The best suggestion I can give anyone is to use an anonymizer (anonymous proxy tool) to browse the Internet, and refrain from making a profile on social networking websites. On top of that, always make sure you're using an anti-spyware/malware program (such as 'SUPERAntiSpyware Pro') with active protection, a good firewall (Comodo is great/free) and anti-virus (Nod32 is superb/hassle-free). It's worth the time and effort if you're serious about giving yourself the most protection possible on the Internet. Of course, you could always refrain from going online, but then you wouldn't be able to visit RPF. : p
I use very little social media, but when I do, I feed them fake info. :cool: Also, google your name once in a while to see if someone's posted your info on the interwebz.

DaninPA
03-18-2013, 04:46 PM
Fuck 'em.

I'm a middle aged guy who reads a lot on the Internet and posts on forums once in a while (If I keep up my recent pace on RPF, I might surpass 1.3 posts per year :eek:

Was going to say more, but someone might be watching :rolleyes:

torchbearer
03-18-2013, 04:49 PM
Fuck 'em.

I'm a middle aged guy who reads a lot on the Internet and posts on forums once in a while (If I keep up my recent pace on RPF, I might surpass 1.3 posts per year :eek:

Was going to say more, but someone might be watching :rolleyes:reported.

DaninPA
03-18-2013, 04:54 PM
reported.

Damn!! Now I have to sleep with my AK47.

Todd
03-18-2013, 04:59 PM
http://hidemyass.com/?gclid=COXZ-Pmuh7YCFY6e4AodGGoASQ

HOLLYWOOD
03-18-2013, 05:21 PM
LulzSac was turned-in by the very TOR/VPN HideMyAss.com service he subscribed too.

HideMyAss.com kept logs on all their customers... not only all your internet activity, but the financial transactions you used to purchase the service. HideMyAss.com turned ALL the information over to the authoritarians. Maybe they should change their domain name to TurnYourAssIn.com?

http://www.informationweek.com/security/privacy/lulzsec-suspect-learns-even-hidemyasscom/231602248

Warning: if you plan on using or going to subscribe to a VPN/TOR ensure they don't log any transactions. Be careful, because the government themselves have setup VPN/TOR store fronts. Do extensive research ahead of time.

torchbearer
03-18-2013, 05:25 PM
LulzSac was turned-in by the very TOR/VPN HideMyAss.com service he subscribed too.

HideMyAss.com kept logs on all their customers... not only all your internet activity, but the financial transactions you used to purchase the service. HideMyAss.com turned ALL the information over to the authoritarians. Maybe they should change their domain name to TurnYourAssIn.com?

Warning: if you plan on using or going to subscribe to a VPN/TOR ensure they don't log any transactions. Be careful, because the government themselves have setup VPN/TOR store fronts. Do extensive research ahead of time.
kind of hard to tell if a website is a front for feds.

Mach
03-18-2013, 07:18 PM
Subscribe to Bruce Schneier's page and at the very least, skim over the long list of info he will keep you up to date on, once a month......

http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram.html

cheapseats
03-19-2013, 03:02 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/opinion/schneier-internet-surveillance/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

...The Internet is a surveillance state. Whether we admit it to ourselves or not, and whether we like it or not, we're being tracked all the time...


Now. Consider the probability of a MINORITY peacefully effectuating meaningful reform by PLAYING THE GAME via "social media".

Then consider four years of small donations being DWARFED by a single Big Money maneuver.

cheapseats
03-19-2013, 03:06 AM
kind of hard to tell if a website is a front for feds.

Organizations and Individuals are metaphorical land mines, too. I mean, for how many people will you personally vouch?

cheapseats
03-19-2013, 03:25 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/opinion/schneier-internet-surveillance/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

...increasingly, none of it matters.

There are simply too many ways to be tracked.

This isn't something the free market can fix.

Maintaining privacy on the Internet is nearly impossible.

In today's world, governments and corporations are working together to keep things that way.

Fixing this requires strong government will,

HUH?

Fixing this requires strong Government will like "fixing" pedophilia requires strong Pedophile will, or fixing unethical business practices requires strong Executive will, or...



...but they're just as punch-drunk on data as the corporations.

Of course. Power corrupts.



So, we're done. Welcome to a world where...

HUH?



Welcome to an Internet without privacy, and we've ended up here with hardly a fight.

HUH?

We have hardly fought, therefore we shall NOT fight, welcome to the New Normal?

Natural Citizen
03-19-2013, 03:33 AM
Antivirus is the biggest busy body on yer computer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1IXQ1pKl_Q