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Anti Federalist
03-17-2013, 03:13 PM
Fixing Their Wagon

March 15, 2013

By eric

http://ericpetersautos.com/2013/03/15/fixing-their-wagon/

People are frustrated – and want to know what they can do.

It gets old merely talking. They – our oppressors – don’t care how much we talk. Perhaps then it is time for us to act. But we must not act precipitously, much less suicidally. A Wagnerian last stand is exactly that. Leaving a smoldering ruin to the accompaniment of Siegfried’s funeral march doesn’t accomplish very much.

So what, then?

Mockery, for openers. Laugh at the state. Better yet, cry.

Probably, you have seen footage from North Korea in the aftermath of the death of the last Dear Leader. The hair-pulling and screaming at the tragedy of it all. Imagine such a demonstration of devotion at the funeral of a costumed enforcer. That is, a cop’s funeral.

Crowds of people rending their clothes, falling to the ground, writhing in emotional agony at the though of a “hero” who has died “in the line of duty.” This ought to work equally well at the wakes of our Dear Leaders – politicians and so on. I regret deeply that this idea didn’t occur to me in time for the funeral of Ronald Reagan – whose administration nurtured the “troop” (and flag) worship which, more than any other single thing, characterizes the modern USSA.

And what could they do about our demonstrations of devotion? Poor, grieving people! It would be unseemly to Tazer them.

There is also effusive thanking.

Thank you so much for your service! No, really. I mean it. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you. You have no idea how much it means. May I shake your hand? Oh, thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. (This is particularly effective when performed on one’s knees, hands clasped together in supplication.) Tie dozens of yellow ribbons around every tree – and bush – in your yard. When the zoning Nazis hassle you, tell them (cue tears) you are “supporting the troops.” Call the media. Etc.

Or, try the belly laugh.

When you find yourself at some event at which the flag will be worshiped and speeches given about “our freedoms,” begin with a s******.

(Oh FFS, stupid computer censorship, the word is S N I G G E R - it means a quiet, derisive form of laughter. SMFH...)

Work your way up to a derisive snort, then open – and hearty – laughter. Bust a gut. Slap your knees. Double over and fall to the ground, clutching your gut.

It won’t require you to act much, either. Just to hear some fool prattle on about how “free” America is ought to be more than sufficient to trigger the necessary reflex.

Obey the law – every law – to the letter. Drive exactly the speed limit – and if someone bothers you about creating a rolling roadblock, tell them you are “just being safe” – and “following the law.” When you see a cop not wearing a seat belt, report it. Tell the operator you are concerned about “officer safety.” Attend town meetings and voice concern about overweight cops – that you are worried about their health and potential costs to society. Suggest calisthenics. Mandatory calisthenics.

Or, flout the law – whenever you can possibly get away with it. Ignore idiotic (or rather, made for idiots) rules such as “no right on red.” Don’t buckle up for safety. Or wear a helmet when you ride – and shorts and flip flops.

Let them feel your anger. No, your disgust. They are not worthy of your anger. React to their presence as you would if you accidentally stepped into some doggy poo. Curl your lip in revulsion. And most of all: Never address them as “sir” or “madam” – or even “officer.” They have power over you, that is all. Make it clear they haven’t got your respect. Be cold, be curt. Flat-lined, monotoned. You are compelled to deal with them. Do not let them pretend the interaction is based on anything else.

Shun them.

Have no dealings, personally or professionally, with the predator class. This means not merely officeholders but those who support them. Right down to your neighbor who insists “our children’s schools” (that is, his children’s schools) need “funding” – to be provided by you, at gunpoint. Anyone who speaks in terms of “we” need to do this (or not do that) always to be enforced at gunpoint. Anyone who believes it’s acceptable to punish you – to limit what you can do – because of something someone else has done. Or might do. Etc.

Shun them.

The model for this is easy enough to understand. If the person who owned the house down the road from you was known to be a child sex offender, would you invite him to your summer barbecues? Would you contract with his business to perform work? Would you shake his hand when you bumped into him at the store? You probably – hopefully – would not.

Apply the same treatment to the people who insist on living by doing violence to others. For they are exactly like child molesters in the sense that matters: They victimize people. They manipulate and coerce and threaten. They leverage power – force and its threat – to get what they want. It is only because we’ve been conditioned to accept the unacceptable via euphemism and evasion that we tolerate such people among us. Those reading this column no doubt do not accept it. Hence, they ought not to tolerate it. There may be occasions when we are forced to deal with them. But wherever possible, wherever we have the choice, we ought to elect not to deal with them. And we ought to tell them exactly why we want nothing to do with them. Call them on it. Do not let it – their reliance on violence – go unmentioned. Mention it. Bring it into the open. Make them squirm – those that still have the vestigial capacity to squirm when confronted with their own ethical atrocities. But never, ever, accept them as members of civilized society. Because civilization is dying on account of them.

Shrug.

To the extent you are able, cease being a milch cow. Work less. Earn less. Pay less in taxes. It’s all quite legal. They haven’t – yet – taken the step of literal (physical) enslavement. Thus we are free to not work. Just as they are. Only they are dependent on our working. By not working, we starve them out. Remember: They cannot exist without you. Without your willingness to work half the year for them. If, instead, you work only half the year – either literally, or by reducing your taxable income such that your tax liability is effectively nil – then you will no longer be working for them at all.

The Free Shit Army is not self-sustaining. If enough of the 47 percent shrug, the rest will take care of itself.

Christian Liberty
03-17-2013, 03:15 PM
Yep, I commented on that.... Eric seems to think Ron Paul is evil...

Anti Federalist
03-17-2013, 06:26 PM
Yep, I commented on that.... Eric seems to think Ron Paul is evil...

Que?

Christian Liberty
03-17-2013, 06:52 PM
Parse the comment from March 17 (Today) at 9:40 AM. I used my first name "David" when replying there. The logical implication of what he says is that Ron Paul is evil because he's not an anarchist.

TheTexan
03-17-2013, 07:24 PM
Parse the comment from March 17 (Today) at 9:40 AM. I used my first name "David" when replying there. The logical implication of what he says is that Ron Paul is evil because he's not an anarchist.

There's good evidence that suggests Ron Paul actually is an anarchist

Christian Liberty
03-17-2013, 07:35 PM
There's good evidence that suggests Ron Paul actually is an anarchist

I've heard that argument, althought that's a mighty leap considering Ron Paul has endorsed government intervention (Not much, but still) at times and he's not the type that would conceal details for position like Rand.

Even still, that's a mighty gambit, at the best.

ClydeCoulter
03-17-2013, 08:01 PM
I went from 250k+ on the 1040 down to 26k+ (my part), but sometimes still have to pay 3 to 4k in income taxes (my wife works as a school aide), and I still do special projects (software) from time to time. There is also the property tax thing, that's another 1000+/yr.

It's kind of hard to not pay the self-made-masters something without becoming a hermit.

presence
03-17-2013, 08:53 PM
Work less. Earn less. Pay less in taxes. It’s all quite legal.

and might I add barter more!


funny... I got into the liberty movement after coming to that conclusion...
needed something productive to do with my extra time.


sni gger in'

KCIndy
03-17-2013, 10:11 PM
It's kind of hard to not pay the self-made-masters something without becoming a hermit.

Or incarcerated after a complimentary beat-down.

Anti Federalist
03-17-2013, 11:11 PM
Parse the comment from March 17 (Today) at 9:40 AM. I used my first name "David" when replying there. The logical implication of what he says is that Ron Paul is evil because he's not an anarchist.

Jesus, made me work for that, finding your comment.

At any rate, I'll let Eric reply:

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eric on March 17, 2013 at 9:40 am

Hi David,

“Seriously, do you seriously think that everyone who supports money for public schools is evil?”

I think anyone who thinks it’s ok to threaten me with violence – to threaten to take me to prison or to seize my property and kill me if I resist – if I do not consent to “supporting” government schools – is evil, yes.

I can never own my home, David – even though I’ve paid off the mortgage – because people like you think they have the right to impose an open-ended, eternal obligation on me to to pay taxes to “fund” the education of “the children” (including an army of leeches – not so much “the children” – but the “educators” and “administrators” who run the show).

Not my children, though. Yours. And the children of others who share your mindset. Who believe that their needs impose an obligation enforceable at gunpoint on me.

Tell me, please: Why are your kids (or anyone else’s) my obligation? Or mine yours? How is forcing me to “help” pay for schools any different than forcing me to pay for an NEA grant? Or an EBT card? These are all examples of forcible transfers of wealth – that is, of theft.

And theft is evil.

95 percent support it? So? Has right (and wrong) become a matter of majorities?

It comes down to this, David: Either you believe it is ok to force other people to pay for the things you need/want (and thus, for them to do the same to you, in return) or you believe that no one has the right to do these things for any reason – and thus, no one has any right to do them to you. Either you believe in reciprocal parasitism via “process” (i.e., by passing laws, by voting yourself things to be paid for by others) or you reject the concept in principle. You cannot have it both ways. It is one – or the other.

The education (and housing and feeding) of your children is not my problem – at least, it ought not to be an excuse to threaten me with violence and steal my property. I wish you no ill – so long as you leave me alone. Does this make me “mean spirited” and “selfish”? For asking to be left in peace? For asking you to not threaten me with violence? I don’t want anything from you, David – except respect for my rights. I am happy to extend the same courtesy to you. I will never “vote” to take away your rights – or “ask” that you “contribute” to some cause I regard as worthy. I do not consider you a cow to be milked for my benefit – and slaughtered if you resist the milking. I respect your right to be left in peace. How about respecting mine?

A little bit of force used against your neighbor to compel him to “help” finance this – or that – is like a teaspoon full of shit in a gallon of ice cream.

Origanalist
03-18-2013, 06:29 AM
I have been working for cash only for quite a while now. Removing yourself from contributing to the madness entirely is impossible but I agree, do all that you can.

ghengis86
03-18-2013, 07:00 AM
Jesus, made me work for that, finding your comment.

At any rate, I'll let Eric reply:

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eric on March 17, 2013 at 9:40 am

Hi David,

“Seriously, do you seriously think that everyone who supports money for public schools is evil?”

I think anyone who thinks it’s ok to threaten me with violence – to threaten to take me to prison or to seize my property and kill me if I resist – if I do not consent to “supporting” government schools – is evil, yes.

I can never own my home, David – even though I’ve paid off the mortgage – because people like you think they have the right to impose an open-ended, eternal obligation on me to to pay taxes to “fund” the education of “the children” (including an army of leeches – not so much “the children” – but the “educators” and “administrators” who run the show).

Not my children, though. Yours. And the children of others who share your mindset. Who believe that their needs impose an obligation enforceable at gunpoint on me.

Tell me, please: Why are your kids (or anyone else’s) my obligation? Or mine yours? How is forcing me to “help” pay for schools any different than forcing me to pay for an NEA grant? Or an EBT card? These are all examples of forcible transfers of wealth – that is, of theft.

And theft is evil.

95 percent support it? So? Has right (and wrong) become a matter of majorities?

It comes down to this, David: Either you believe it is ok to force other people to pay for the things you need/want (and thus, for them to do the same to you, in return) or you believe that no one has the right to do these things for any reason – and thus, no one has any right to do them to you. Either you believe in reciprocal parasitism via “process” (i.e., by passing laws, by voting yourself things to be paid for by others) or you reject the concept in principle. You cannot have it both ways. It is one – or the other.

The education (and housing and feeding) of your children is not my problem – at least, it ought not to be an excuse to threaten me with violence and steal my property. I wish you no ill – so long as you leave me alone. Does this make me “mean spirited” and “selfish”? For asking to be left in peace? For asking you to not threaten me with violence? I don’t want anything from you, David – except respect for my rights. I am happy to extend the same courtesy to you. I will never “vote” to take away your rights – or “ask” that you “contribute” to some cause I regard as worthy. I do not consider you a cow to be milked for my benefit – and slaughtered if you resist the milking. I respect your right to be left in peace. How about respecting mine?

A little bit of force used against your neighbor to compel him to “help” finance this – or that – is like a teaspoon full of shit in a gallon of ice cream.

Don't think it could be stated any better

BAllen
03-18-2013, 08:34 AM
Some good points, there. Heard a talk radio show use one: some socialist complained to him that their laptop was stolen from their car. He responded: "No, it wasn't stolen. It was simply redistributed. You had it, someone else needed it. What's the problem?"
I laughed so hard I had to pull over to the side of the road.
I, too shun my neighbor, who is a socialist.

Anti Federalist
03-18-2013, 09:15 AM
Some good points, there. Heard a talk radio show use one: some socialist complained to him that their laptop was stolen from their car. He responded: "No, it wasn't stolen. It was simply redistributed. You had it, someone else needed it. What's the problem?"
I laughed so hard I had to pull over to the side of the road.
I, too shun my neighbor, who is a socialist.

There comes a time when being polite must take a back seat to showing disapproval of thieves and thugs.

lx43
03-18-2013, 09:22 AM
Jesus, made me work for that, finding your comment.

At any rate, I'll let Eric reply:

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eric on March 17, 2013 at 9:40 am

Hi David,

“Seriously, do you seriously think that everyone who supports money for public schools is evil?”

I think anyone who thinks it’s ok to threaten me with violence – to threaten to take me to prison or to seize my property and kill me if I resist – if I do not consent to “supporting” government schools – is evil, yes.

I can never own my home, David – even though I’ve paid off the mortgage – because people like you think they have the right to impose an open-ended, eternal obligation on me to to pay taxes to “fund” the education of “the children” (including an army of leeches – not so much “the children” – but the “educators” and “administrators” who run the show).

Not my children, though. Yours. And the children of others who share your mindset. Who believe that their needs impose an obligation enforceable at gunpoint on me.

Tell me, please: Why are your kids (or anyone else’s) my obligation? Or mine yours? How is forcing me to “help” pay for schools any different than forcing me to pay for an NEA grant? Or an EBT card? These are all examples of forcible transfers of wealth – that is, of theft.

And theft is evil.

95 percent support it? So? Has right (and wrong) become a matter of majorities?

It comes down to this, David: Either you believe it is ok to force other people to pay for the things you need/want (and thus, for them to do the same to you, in return) or you believe that no one has the right to do these things for any reason – and thus, no one has any right to do them to you. Either you believe in reciprocal parasitism via “process” (i.e., by passing laws, by voting yourself things to be paid for by others) or you reject the concept in principle. You cannot have it both ways. It is one – or the other.

The education (and housing and feeding) of your children is not my problem – at least, it ought not to be an excuse to threaten me with violence and steal my property. I wish you no ill – so long as you leave me alone. Does this make me “mean spirited” and “selfish”? For asking to be left in peace? For asking you to not threaten me with violence? I don’t want anything from you, David – except respect for my rights. I am happy to extend the same courtesy to you. I will never “vote” to take away your rights – or “ask” that you “contribute” to some cause I regard as worthy. I do not consider you a cow to be milked for my benefit – and slaughtered if you resist the milking. I respect your right to be left in peace. How about respecting mine?

A little bit of force used against your neighbor to compel him to “help” finance this – or that – is like a teaspoon full of shit in a gallon of ice cream.

I wish more people lived by the philosophy, but for whatever reason people seem to want someone else to pay for them and their off spring.

BAllen
03-18-2013, 10:54 AM
I have been working for cash only for quite a while now. Removing yourself from contributing to the madness entirely is impossible but I agree, do all that you can.

Now there's a good idea. Show little income. Apply for any and all government handouts you can. If you're white, that will be tough. I know from experience. They base it on your gross income, so if you work for yourself, you can't qualify, even though your expenses would cut your income down significantly enough to qualify for aid.

Christian Liberty
03-18-2013, 11:04 AM
My problem isn't being a jerk to hardcore leftists and neocons. Its like the anarchists think that the minarchists or limited government constitutionalists are as evil as someone like me thinks that neoconservative politicians are. If I take Eric at his word, he has no clue who his allies are and who his enemies are. I'm pretty hardcore as a libertarian, but am not an anarchist. I would consider an anarcho-capitalist or a limited government constitutionalist to be my natural ally, even while we may not agree on the details. We all agree on the core, and that is that our government is way too freaking big and needs to be significantly cut down. Ideological purism is great. Ideological purism combined with ostracization of anyone who disagrees with you on any point is not.

That's actually one of the great things about this forum, IMO. We believe in the same core values (Less government, more individual freedom, no aggressive war, exc.) We don't agree on every detail. Some here are anarchists, others minarchists, others constittutionalists.

Walter Block was right to "Expel" (metaphorically speaking) those who refused to support Ron Paul from the "Tent."

Anti Federalist
03-18-2013, 11:14 AM
My problem isn't being a jerk to hardcore leftists and neocons.

Walter Block was right to "Expel" (metaphorically speaking) those who refused to support Ron Paul from the "Tent."

Eric has been a huge supporter of Ron Paul.

I'm not sure what your beef is.

ZENemy
03-18-2013, 12:03 PM
Now there's a good idea. Show little income. Apply for any and all government handouts you can. If you're white, that will be tough. I know from experience. They base it on your gross income, so if you work for yourself, you can't qualify, even though your expenses would cut your income down significantly enough to qualify for aid.


Hmmm wouldn't that be aiding the system and the theft of others?

phill4paul
03-18-2013, 12:08 PM
Hmmm wouldn't that be aiding the system and the theft of others?

I suppose it could also be considered getting back out what was taken from you.

BAllen
03-18-2013, 12:21 PM
Hmmm wouldn't that be aiding the system and the theft of others?

Bleed the system philosophy. Not sure how effective it would be. It's just another idea. Use the system. Get multiple bank accounts and credit cards. Run them up, then don't pay. Why should we always get the shaft? Lawyers groups do it. You saw that video where they teach companies how to falsify information to Congress that there are no qualified high tech workers in the states. They use that leverage to get cheap high tech labor from India or China. Meanwhile, the poor saps who went in hock to get a high tech degree are underemployed at walmarx or mickey d's with a heavy loan to pay back. Just some ideas.

Christian Liberty
03-18-2013, 12:28 PM
Eric has been a huge supporter of Ron Paul.

I'm not sure what your beef is.


Than he's a massive hypocrite for saying that everyone who supports any government is evil while supporting someone who does support a minimal government.

Anti Federalist
03-18-2013, 12:33 PM
Than he's a massive hypocrite for saying that everyone who supports any government is evil while supporting someone who does support a minimal government.

Yup, that term can be thrown at a lot of us, me included.

Your superiority is noted.

Carry on.

Christian Liberty
03-18-2013, 01:37 PM
Yup, that term can be thrown at a lot of us, me included.

Your superiority is noted.

Carry on.

What? I wasn't trying to be superior anything. I think that its silly that some ancaps feel the need to try to consider everyone that isn't them evil.... but I can't for the life of me understand why. They'll crucify someone who agrees with them 99% over the other 1% that they don't. Even more odd, they make this weird exception for Dr. Paul that apparently doesn't apply to anyone else, ever...

TheTexan
03-18-2013, 01:42 PM
What? I wasn't trying to be superior anything. I think that its silly that some ancaps feel the need to try to consider everyone that isn't them evil.... but I can't for the life of me understand why. They'll crucify someone who agrees with them 99% over the other 1% that they don't. Even more odd, they make this weird exception for Dr. Paul that apparently doesn't apply to anyone else, ever...


I dont think minarchists are evil, just misguided (a piece of paper cant restrict government.).

It is difficult however to classify someone in favor of public schools as a minarchist. especially when you consider the slave state indoctrination camps that they have become

pcosmar
03-06-2022, 01:32 AM
Not my music style as a rule,,but I like this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHxk1Mg5n7I