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Carehn
03-15-2013, 05:58 AM
Reminds me of a book I read called ominous parallels (http://www.amazon.com/Ominous-Parallels-Brilliant-parallels-pre-Hitler/dp/0452011175).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AnpTWKKWQ1o#!

Petar
03-15-2013, 06:24 AM
I tend to believe the rumor that Hitler was hopped up on meth...

Todd
03-15-2013, 06:28 AM
The reason he gave such incredible speeches is because he really "believed" what he was saying.

That's why most of our politicians can't get through a 5 minute speech without a teleprompter

Petar
03-15-2013, 06:34 AM
The reason he gave such incredible speeches is because he really "believed" what he was saying.

That's why most of our politicians can't get through a 5 minute speech without a teleprompter

Yeah, I somehow doubt that...

How could the leader of "National Socialism" actually believe it when he says that he "wiped out marxism".

Was he really that dumb, or was he just your average sociopathic liar?

I'm going to go with the second option in this case...

rprprs
03-15-2013, 07:25 AM
Yeah, I somehow doubt that...

How could the leader of "National Socialism" actually believe it when he says that he "wiped out marxism".

Was he really that dumb, or was he just your average sociopathic liar?

I'm going to go with the second option in this case...

I really don't know, so I'll just take a stab in the dark here. He may have meant only that he wiped it out as a viable political force within Germany.

Petar
03-15-2013, 07:29 AM
I really don't know, so I'll just take a stab in the dark here. He may have meant only that he wiped it out as a viable political force within Germany.

Except that he replaced it with "National Socialism", which is in itself Marxist derived...

talkingpointes
03-15-2013, 07:37 AM
Except that he replaced it with "National Socialism", which is in itself Marxist derived...

Yeah, well he just thought he was the better socialist -- him and Goerrbels or however you spell it. Just like ever socialist says, ohh no but I'M the right guy, everyone else is NAZI's. lol

AgentforPathfinder
03-15-2013, 08:01 AM
He believed in socialism for racial Germans only. Racist communism. He thought it worked in a small society for people of the same race. Not in the USSR, which had Jews, Slavs, Poles, Kazaks, Finns, Mongols, Uzbeks, etc....

AgentforPathfinder
03-15-2013, 08:02 AM
What year is this speech in?

ClydeCoulter
03-15-2013, 08:36 AM
I don't doubt that he believed what he said. And they did accomplish what he talked about, as far as rebuild Germany. There were many that did not like that.

Sometimes, it's hard to see what struggle there is and to understand means, when climbing up from the pit. Labels hardly define and history hardly explains the true struggle of mankind. A movement is, usually, not a single person. We will learn as we strive and will build on successes and failures alike.

Antischism
03-15-2013, 08:54 AM
You can pervert any "ism" into straight fascism/a dictatorship. Most "isms" sound much better on paper than they are when put in practice and overtaken by people with bad intentions. This is why I don't spout the bullshit that socialism/marxism/capitalism is evil, because they're simply systems. How you use it and how it's followed is what matters in the end.

Demigod
03-15-2013, 08:56 AM
Yeah, I somehow doubt that...

How could the leader of "National Socialism" actually believe it when he says that he "wiped out marxism".

Was he really that dumb, or was he just your average sociopathic liar?

I'm going to go with the second option in this case...

I have no doubt that he believed every word he said.There are plenty of crazy people that believe in what they said,and Hitler was one of the worst combinations of a delusional sociopath with good intentions.

When the Soviets were at the gates of Berlin he ordered that almost the entire German infrastructure be destroyed,and when he was asked "But what of the people ?" he replied "Everyone that was worth anything is either dead are will soon be so there is no point in letting the weakest among us to live on and struggle trough the years to come".A mad man with good intentions.

abacabb
03-15-2013, 09:51 AM
I have no doubt that he believed every word he said.There are plenty of crazy people that believe in what they said,and Hitler was one of the worst combinations of a delusional sociopath with good intentions.

When the Soviets were at the gates of Berlin he ordered that almost the entire German infrastructure be destroyed,and when he was asked "But what of the people ?" he replied "Everyone that was worth anything is either dead are will soon be so there is no point in letting the weakest among us to live on and struggle trough the years to come".A mad man with good intentions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR5q0ajW8Ko

Anti Federalist
03-15-2013, 11:46 AM
What year is this speech in?

Taken from multiple speeches, given from 1934 to 1940, would be my best guess.

I don't think there was any post 1940 content.

bolil
03-15-2013, 11:49 AM
Hitler, I'm going so I'll see you in hell. That is an eternity with one instance of liberty's boot in your ass. This is why I truly hope that there I will be held to account in the end. So I can go to hell and beat on tyrants for eternity.

Then, that would be my heaven. How to reconcile this?

ClydeCoulter
03-15-2013, 12:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR5q0ajW8Ko

That's really good quality footage for the era. Wow.





/sarc

Anti Federalist
03-15-2013, 01:24 PM
Hitler, I'm going so I'll see you in hell. That is an eternity with one instance of liberty's boot in your ass. This is why I truly hope that there I will be held to account in the end. So I can go to hell and beat on tyrants for eternity.

Then, that would be my heaven. How to reconcile this?

Umm...erm...whoa...

http://i.imgur.com/UmpOi.gif

heavenlyboy34
03-15-2013, 01:37 PM
The reason he gave such incredible speeches is because he really "believed" what he was saying.

That's why most of our politicians can't get through a 5 minute speech without a teleprompter
That, plus the fact that he had been practicing at taverns and such places before relatively small audiences for years before he became Chancellor.

heavenlyboy34
03-15-2013, 01:40 PM
Except that he replaced it with "National Socialism", which is in itself Marxist derived...
Hitlerian National Socialism isn't Marxist. Hitler railed against the Bolsheviki and various Marxists.

Cutlerzzz
03-15-2013, 02:20 PM
The reason he gave such incredible speeches is because he really "believed" what he was saying.

That's why most of our politicians can't get through a 5 minute speech without a teleprompter
Hitler said that the Japanese were Aryan.

I really doubt he believed what he said.

acptulsa
03-15-2013, 02:54 PM
Hitlerian National Socialism isn't Marxist. Hitler railed against the Bolsheviki and various Marxists.

Hardly surprising, given that he turned on his ally Stalin and attacked Soviet Russia. You would hardly expect different propaganda.

We consider the word 'socialism' taboo as well. But it doesn't change the fact that Marx said, from each, according to his ability, to each, according to his need. Read the 'give until it hurts' part of that vid again. He denied it was Marxist until his dying day, but it was Marxist. Politicians deny a lot of crap. Doesn't negate the truth of it.

The only way National Socialism isn't Marxist is if you split hairs. And even then, it's Marxist. And so is what we have today. If you want to convince me otherwise, you're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than, 'But Hitler himself said...!'

acptulsa
03-15-2013, 03:25 PM
And if you don't consider his on again/off again love affair with Stalin reason enough for Hitler to deny that his Marxism is Marxism, here's another reason (from one of the greatest movies ever) that Hitler would have considered a damned good one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3s7PSjuCtE

Who but a Nazi would deny that Karl Marx was a German because he was a Jew? And how could a Nazi possibly hold any other opinion about him?

Carehn
03-15-2013, 03:55 PM
I think what you are all trying to say is Hitler was a flaming sociopathic bag of douch that may or may not have injested his own douchery.

anaconda
03-15-2013, 04:23 PM
Reminds me of a book I read called ominous parallels (http://www.amazon.com/Ominous-Parallels-Brilliant-parallels-pre-Hitler/dp/0452011175).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AnpTWKKWQ1o#!

Very collectivist comments by Adolf in the video:

"you mustn't act yourself, you must obey, you must give in..You must submit to the overwhelming need to obey.."

(^LOL can you imagine Ron Paul ever saying this?)

More subtle colectivist:

"The most precious possession you have in the world..is your own people."

Even more subtle collectivist??:

"A new state cannot simply fall down from the sky...instead it has to grow from within the people...

Warrior_of_Freedom
03-15-2013, 04:38 PM
Very collectivist comments by Adolf in the video:

"you mustn't act yourself, you must obey, you must give in..You must submit to the overwhelming need to obey.."

(^LOL can you imagine Ron Paul ever saying this?)

More subtle colectivist:

"The most precious possession you have in the world..is your own people."

Even more subtle collectivist??:

"A new state cannot simply fall down from the sky...instead it has to grow from within the people...

society itself is collectivist no matter if you call it capitalism or socialism, complete individualism is anarchy.

anaconda
03-15-2013, 04:50 PM
society itself is collectivist no matter if you call it capitalism or socialism, complete individualism is anarchy.

Can anarchists voluntarily engage in a myriad of complex social arrangements and contracts? From which outgrowth may give a highly structured appearance to a society?

anaconda
03-15-2013, 04:52 PM
Here Hitler appears to call out bankers' wars in the first minute or so. I found this intriguing. He also claims to be the victim of aggression by Churchill. The rest is pretty typical Hitler motivational mumbo jumbo to compel self sacrifice for the collective.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONkRvrogt30

UWDude
03-15-2013, 05:14 PM
Except that he replaced it with "National Socialism", which is in itself Marxist derived...

Socialism is marxist.

National socialism is marxism for the nationals, and slavery for the rest.

Marxism sought to transcend nationalism and race in the name of class.

National Socialism included race and nationalist distinctions as a cornerstone of its philosophy.


The only way National Socialism isn't Marxist is if you split hairs. And even then, it's Marxist. And so is what we have today. If you want to convince me otherwise, you're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than, 'But Hitler himself said...!'

It is not splitting hairs. There is a big difference. In socialist philosophy all are supposed to be equal. In Nazi philosophy, all Germans are equal, and are to be afforded the vast resources of the socialist state, but every one else gets no benefits of socialism, indeed, it is the purpose of non-Germans to serve German's socialist goals.

It is a very big difference between the two ideologies.

And to try to say Hitler was a socialist is to deny the most evil parts of his program.

UWDude
03-15-2013, 05:21 PM
Hitler said that the Japanese were Aryan.

I really doubt he believed what he said.

He called them "honorary Aryans". meaning they were not Aryan, but had the honor of Aryans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan

Cutlerzzz
03-15-2013, 05:29 PM
He called them "honorary Aryans". meaning they were not Aryan, but had the honor of Aryans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan

No shit.

Carehn
03-15-2013, 07:43 PM
Can anarchists voluntarily engage in a myriad of complex social arrangements and contracts? From which outgrowth may give a highly structured appearance to a society?

Yes and before another argument springs up do to definition disagreements what most people mean when saying 'collectivist' around here, as you know, is being tied against your will to other people. Voluntary agreements between two or millions of people is not collectivism. As you know ' the social contract' or what have you is not voluntary.

BAllen
03-15-2013, 09:26 PM
Socialism doesn't seem to work, no matter what brand is tried. How many different ways have been tried? All failures, because they forget one simple fact: socialism destroys initiative. If you take from the productive, guess what? They stop being productive. Or, as Margaret Thatcher put it, it stops working when they run out of other peoples' money.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Socialism-Sucks/214180232027156

Carehn
03-16-2013, 06:31 AM
Socialism doesn't seem to work, no matter what brand is tried. How many different ways have been tried? All failures, because they forget one simple fact: socialism destroys initiative. If you take from the productive, guess what? They stop being productive. Or, as Margaret Thatcher put it, it stops working when they run out of other peoples' money.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Socialism-Sucks/214180232027156

That and also it has to do with price fixing. Price fixing will always cause shortages on the supply or demand side. But if you are for socialism you simply blame this on a lack of socialism and use it to your advantage. Crafty bastards aren't they?

ClydeCoulter
03-22-2013, 04:06 AM
Taken from multiple speeches, given from 1934 to 1940, would be my best guess.

I don't think there was any post 1940 content.

No, I think history was written for him after a certain point. The winners and all that...