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green73
03-14-2013, 07:54 AM
Capitalism means that there is much more research into male baldness than there is into diseases such as malaria, which mostly affect poor people, said Bill Gates, speaking at the Royal Academy of Engineering's Global Grand Challenges Summit.

"Our priorities are tilted by marketplace imperatives," he said. "The malaria vaccine in humanist terms is the biggest need. But it gets virtually no funding. But if you are working on male baldness or other things you get an order of magnitude more research funding because of the voice in the marketplace than something like malaria."

As a result, governments and philanthropic organisations have to step in to offset this "flaw in the pure capitalistic approach". The Gates Foundation focuses on finding under invested areas of basic science and focusing an innovation agenda on the needs of the poor, specifically looking at education and health.

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http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-03/14/bill-gates-capitalism

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/1aa4sa/bill_gates_capitalism_means_male_baldness/?sort=confidence

SilentBull
03-14-2013, 08:01 AM
What a moron.

Petar
03-14-2013, 08:03 AM
And yet dipshits like him never ask themselves if the complete lack of capitalism which exists today has anything to do with the creation of so much poverty to begin with...

brushfire
03-14-2013, 08:03 AM
Capitalism made "Bill Gates" possible. Without the resulting wealth Bill enjoys, there'd be no Bill and Malinda Gates foundation (largest philanthropic organization in the world). Without that foundation, there would be less financial support for a malaria vaccine... WTF, Bill?

Bill Gates should look himself up on youtube sometime. He's obviously loss touch with where he came from. As I see it, he should be one of capitalism's biggest advocates. Hopefully this snip is missing some context...it just doesnt make sense to me.

Kotin
03-14-2013, 08:03 AM
Fuck off, gates.

Cleaner44
03-14-2013, 08:06 AM
I would guess that more money gets spent on computer software than curing the common cold too, but then if that is what people want to spend their money own so be it. Would Gates prefer we send government thugs around to confiscate people money at gunpoint so we can save them from the sniffles?

KingNothing
03-14-2013, 08:16 AM
He's not wrong. But so what? It's better than any possible alternative. Of course, philanthropic organizations are entirely feasible in a capitalist society. I'm not sure why he feels the need to imply the two are mutually exclusive.

awake
03-14-2013, 08:20 AM
To Bill Gates: Criminal gangs world wide, with your help no less, keep the greater portion of humanity in destitution due to an idea of pure evil called taxation. With your help and support of the institution of slavery, poverty and sickness - malaria - will continue to perish millions. Too many "humanitarians" in our world wield the guillotine instead of the wise providence of non-intervention in the affairs of others.

Keep up the good work of building software that we all love to use; quit trying to be a messiah by using your wealth to support criminal activities of politicians in power any where in the world.

You were once a happy windows icon, now you are becoming a blue screen of death -Reboot!

cajuncocoa
03-14-2013, 08:23 AM
I wonder where Bill Gates would be without capitalism......

jclay2
03-14-2013, 08:27 AM
Bill gates can go screw himself. The same man who argues that capitalism is horrible because it allegedly doesn't fund malaria research and progress, is also the same man that argues for population control. Which one is it Bill?

A Son of Liberty
03-14-2013, 08:33 AM
Bill Gates: Capitalism means I don't get to decide how you spend your money

donnay
03-14-2013, 08:38 AM
Fuck off, gates.

I concur!!

Gates is a philanthropists in disguise, who donates his time (not his money) mainly for his own purposes, self-interest and aggrandizing. It gives him the power to control other human beings.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree--his father had long been involved with the eugenics group Planned Parenthood.

Steve Jobs knew:

“Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he’s more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people’s ideas.”

Source:
http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-harsh-words-for-bill-gates-and-his-biological-father/

green73
03-14-2013, 08:42 AM
Bring back DDT!

VIDEODROME
03-14-2013, 08:43 AM
Fine.

and I'll say that I wish Microsoft Windows was free and open source like Linux. Don't be such a greedy capitalist Bill.

brandon
03-14-2013, 09:03 AM
Ironically, the places most affected by malaria tend to be the places with the least amount of capitalism.

Malaria distribution:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Paludisme.png


Economic Freedom Level:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/GM_-_Countries_by_Economic_Freedom_Index.png

donnay
03-14-2013, 09:22 AM
Yes and if we truly had free market capitalism Bill Gates would be poor.

Danan
03-14-2013, 09:35 AM
Food for thought for Mr. Gates: It happens to be the case that the more capitalistic a society is, the less likely someone of that group is going to die from an easily avoidable disease. Make your own conclusions.

jclay2
03-14-2013, 10:30 AM
Yes and if we truly had free market capitalism Bill Gates would be poor.

True that.

HOLLYWOOD
03-14-2013, 10:36 AM
Nothing stopping you Bill the "technology stealer" from donating a Billion or two towards the cause.

Bill Gates hates Capitalism... but loves Crony Corrupt Racketeering Capitalism.

tod evans
03-14-2013, 10:39 AM
Where's my cure?

I've been bald since 89, takes longer to brush my beard than my hair...

Gimmie some Obama baldness cure...:rolleyes:

The Gold Standard
03-14-2013, 10:39 AM
How would he know? There is nothing capitalist about health care anywhere in the world.

luctor-et-emergo
03-14-2013, 10:46 AM
Without Capitalism there would be no Philanthropy.
Philanthropy without Capitalism comes down to soup kitchens and bread lines.

Altruism is something that exists in every society, but the degree to which it exists and the positive effects it has on the people in general depends on the social structure. I am personally convinced that only freedom will maximize peoples natural altruistic behavior and it's positive effects. That's all I would say to Mr. Gates. I can only hope he reads this.

enjerth
03-14-2013, 11:12 AM
I believe that's kind of a creature born of commercialism, what he's describing.

He doesn't need to be told to fuck off, for that. He's just using the wrong words.

Someone help him properly frame his complaint, so that it has more meaning?

What capitalism means is that Bill Gates can rip XP out from under my ass, a stable operating system on which to build my own programs, which I have enjoyed for years.... And makes me buy a new operating system with new rules and breaks my programs in new ways and I will never be able to rest from having to upgrade my programs to keep up with their greedy cycle of retiring a product that INDUSTRY HEAVILY RELIES ON to leverage our need to continue to be productive against us... to force on us an operating system that we don't feel we NEED... what I fucking NEED is a stable ENVIRONMENT.

This is probably reason for the "developers developers developers developers developers" chant... because that's what you'll need to keep up with their business plan of pulling the rug out from under you when they feel they deserve another buck.

Which makes me wonder... why the hell shouldn't something that gets so heavily adopted be granted into public domain, rather than retired?

We all bought the damn thing already!! Leave it for us so that we don't have to fill our land with the waste of computers that are obsolete by design rather than obsolete for failing to function. So isn't that also an (or another) ENVIRONMENT issue that can be linked to this disgusting practice?

Kords21
03-14-2013, 11:17 AM
Why doesn't he just pony up the money needed for whatever research he wants? He has the money. That's right people like gates and buffet want to spend other people's money and bitch they don't pay enough in taxes. Never mind they could just write a check to the gov't for the amount they would like to pay.

brushfire
03-14-2013, 11:19 AM
I concur!!

Gates is a philanthropists in disguise, who donates his time (not his money) mainly for his own purposes, self-interest and aggrandizing. It gives him the power to control other human beings.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree--his father had long been involved with the eugenics group Planned Parenthood.

Steve Jobs knew:

“Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he’s more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people’s ideas.”

Source:
http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-harsh-words-for-bill-gates-and-his-biological-father/

:D Steve Jobs on originality... He never ripped off anyone :rolleyes:

Jobs and Gates are quite a pair.

mad cow
03-14-2013, 01:38 PM
Bring back DDT!

/thread

robert68
03-14-2013, 07:10 PM
Critics of patent law argue that patents create an incentive for drug companies to invest in lifestyle drugs over curative drugs, because there’s a greater likelihood of them getting a patent for lifestyle drugs.

torchbearer
03-14-2013, 07:13 PM
capitalism means both get cured much quicker than either in your socialist nightmare.
along with all other innovations. fucking sell out asswipe.

JK/SEA
03-14-2013, 07:16 PM
hmmm,,,well Bill, if you invest in saving people from malaria, these same people will live to buy computers some day, so i'm not sure wtf you're talking about.

TaftFan
03-14-2013, 07:17 PM
Yes and if we truly had free market capitalism Bill Gates would be poor.

How so?

James Madison
03-14-2013, 07:24 PM
There would be a massive market for a vaccine or some drug that eliminates any traces of Malaria. Look at the number of people occupying those countries most affected by malaria, and every single one of them would fork over a few dollars for an effective treatment. We could then use those funds to cure baldness, so everybody wins!

Cutlerzzz
03-14-2013, 07:26 PM
Without Capitalism we never leave the Stone Age where funding is not possible for either.

DamianTV
03-14-2013, 07:31 PM
Im sorry but Capitalism is NOT the same thing as a truly Free Market.

brushfire
03-14-2013, 07:38 PM
How so?

I dont think that I'd agree with that statement in its entirety either. Gates would not be as rich, would be a more accurate statement. Gates and MS have used the government increase their influence over the market. In fact, MS has been up to some real shenanigans over the last few years - many which dont get ANY media coverage. An interesting presentation from this years schm00


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKZWblGr2d0

Michael spoke about how MS has been able to do some of its own "knockless raids", property (physical and intellectual) seizures, and domain snatching. All conducted by a private entity, and all with court consent. His intro carries on until 3:15 - in case you're impatient, you can fast forward. Its really quite fascinating, but should come as no surprise to anyone here.

donnay
03-14-2013, 08:10 PM
:D Steve Jobs on originality... He never ripped off anyone :rolleyes:

Jobs and Gates are quite a pair.


Indeed. Pot meet Kettle--Kettle meet Pot. :D

donnay
03-14-2013, 08:14 PM
How so?


Because in a REAL free market there would have been REAL competition on computer programs and once the people knew what a RAT Bill Gates was they would boycott his ass and he would have went to the poor house a long time ago.

matt0611
03-14-2013, 08:17 PM
They already have a cure for Malaria, its called DDT.

Brian4Liberty
03-14-2013, 08:45 PM
As a result, governments and philanthropic organisations have to step in*

Translation: Bill will spend a little money greasing some politicians so that government will spend taxpayer money the way he wants, and at the same time, he'll get another tax break of some kind for his company.

Philhelm
03-14-2013, 08:45 PM
Says one of the greatest capitalists in human history. Why won't he give me some of his money?

Occam's Banana
03-14-2013, 08:53 PM
The reason baldness research gets more money than malaria research is that far more Americans are "afflicted" with baldness than with malaria.

Of course, there are parts of the world outside of America in which malaria is a very serious problem.

But those parts of the world are mired in poverty & disease precisely because of a lack of free markets.

So Gates is, in effect, trying to blame the consequences of the absence of free markets elsewhere on the presence of capitalism in America ...

IOW: Bill Gates is a braying jackass.


Im sorry but Capitalism is NOT the same thing as a truly Free Market.

This is true. But idiots like Gates refuse to acknowledge such distinctions.

Thus, it is useful to allow the conflation of "capitalism" with "free markets" in order to show that Gates et al. are full of shit, even on their own terms.

Brian4Liberty
03-14-2013, 08:53 PM
Says one of the greatest capitalists in human history. Why won't he give me some of his money?

And according to almost anyone who has done business with him, a dirty capitalist.

Grubb556
03-14-2013, 08:54 PM
So what's wrong with curing baldness ? Maybe people don't suffer physically from baldness, but going bald can certainly affect one mentally. Men throughout history all probably felt embarrassed when they started losing their hair, I bet they wished they had the anti baldness cream available.

NoOneButPaul
03-14-2013, 09:28 PM
He didn't seem to be arguing against capitalism at all... he's just pointing out that things that are not profitable don't get the attention they deserve. Which is a valid point actually.

However, his point is offset by this one...


Capitalism made "Bill Gates" possible. Without the resulting wealth Bill enjoys, there'd be no Bill and Malinda Gates foundation (largest philanthropic organization in the world). Without that foundation, there would be less financial support for a malaria vaccine... WTF, Bill?

donnay
03-14-2013, 09:55 PM
So what's wrong with curing baldness ? Maybe people don't suffer physically from baldness, but going bald can certainly affect one mentally. Men throughout history all probably felt embarrassed when they started losing their hair, I bet they wished they had the anti baldness cream available.


Male pattern baldness is a tin deficiency.


Male Pattern Baldness Comes from a Tin Deficiency

(14) The critic says that Dr. Wallach's remarks concerning tin as a cause of baldness "is entirely incorrect." Yet, work with animals was published in Kyoto, Japan in 1990 that indicates tin (Sn) deficiency stimulates the development of male pattern baldness. Rats fed tin at 17.0 ng/gm show poor growth, reduced feeding efficiency, hearing loss, and bilateral (male pattern) hair loss, while rats fed 1.99 mcg/gm were physiologically and anatomically normal. Tin, in fact, is a prevention factor for cancer. Also, a November 1991 US federal study shows that the lack of tin in the diet leads to impaired hearing for older men at any given age than in men of earlier generations.



Sources:
http://www.majesticearth-minerals.com/townsend.php
http://www.thewallachfiles.com/wallach.htm#12
http://www.dcnutrition.com/minerals/detail.cfm?RecordNumber=38
http://www.foodscout.org/nutrients/tin.html

familydog
03-14-2013, 10:06 PM
Gates wouldn't know anything about capitalism. He made his fortune from government copyright protections. Try making an innovative product that people want without threatening to jail competitors. Then you can lecture about capitalism.

anaconda
03-14-2013, 10:14 PM
I am actually embarrassed for Bill Gates. He probably doesn't even realize what a retarded statement this is. Wow. Just wow.

TaftFan
03-14-2013, 10:20 PM
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRI_CKqueCr5edOogUpAgCDhnyUpyqFf PH8j5gIOKSS69jVCzECUQ

And he's saying the research on baldness is a BAD THING?

mad cow
03-14-2013, 10:26 PM
They already have a cure for Malaria, its called DDT.

If Bill and Melinda came off about a billion or two bucks and paid for massive DDT spraying in the most populated areas where malaria is most prevalent,they could save more lives due to sickness than anybody in the last fifty years.

Occam's Banana
03-14-2013, 10:28 PM
He didn't seem to be arguing against capitalism at all... he's just pointing out that things that are not profitable don't get the attention they deserve. Which is a valid point actually.

Actually, it is not a valid point - and he is arguing against capitalism. He's talking about things not getting the degree of attention he thinks they deserve. But such judgements are inherently & inescapably the product of subjective evaluations.

Capitalism (or "the free market" if you prefer) is predicated upon the notion that people are free to decide for themselves what is or is not "deserving" - and that they should be free to act upon such judgements.

When Gates says, "our priorities are tilted by marketplace imperatives," he is wrong. He gets things exactly backwards. "Marketplace imperatives" are an expression and manisfestation of "our priorities" and judgements - not an inhibitor or "tilter" of them.

The "flaw in the pure capitalistic approach" that Gates denounces is nothing more than a "failure" of the market to do what Gates subjectively wants it to do.

In effect, he is saying, "you people are not doing what I think you ought to be doing - so you should be forced to do what I think you should do."

The root from which his "argument" grows is no different from that of any garden-variety socialist.

HOLLYWOOD
03-14-2013, 10:33 PM
Ron Paul was on with Neil Cavuto today... exposed Bill Gates and his tax free foundation while poor people pay taxes.

If yah gotz the YT video, please post

bolil
03-14-2013, 10:46 PM
lol, and?