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compromise
03-13-2013, 06:46 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/12/us-usa-fiscal-ryan-idUSBRE92B02E20130312

(Reuters) - A 10-year, $4.6 trillion balanced budget proposal unveiled by Republicans on Tuesday could either be shelved within weeks or help jump-start negotiations with President Barack Obama toward a major deficit-reduction deal.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's plan - his latest version of the "Path to Prosperity" measure that has been rejected by Democrats previously - likely will be approved this month by the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.

The House Republican budget "ends cronyism, eliminates waste, fraud, and abuse and returns the federal government to its proper sphere of activity," Ryan said.

The blueprint would give Republicans bragging rights that they have crafted a balanced-budget plan, even if it is based on pie-in-the-sky assumptions, such as the repeal of Obama's 2010 healthcare overhaul.

With its cuts to social programs including Medicaid, which provides healthcare for the poor and some people with disabilities, the measure will stand in stark contrast to a competing 2014 budget outline that Senate Democrats will unveil this week. That measure will rely partially on tax increases to get control of a massive government debt.

Democrats will argue that the Ryan budget would undercut U.S. economic growth and that their alternative will more effectively create jobs in the near-term.

A significant chunk of Ryan's proposed savings - about $1.8 trillion - come from the unlikely prospect of repealing the Obama health reforms.

Another slab, totaling $931 billion over 10 years, would come from counting savings from ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is money that critics argue would not have been spent anyway, and from changing accounting methods for the cost of domestic emergencies, such as hurricane rebuilding.

Ryan's plan leaves savings in place from automatic spending cuts that began on January 1, and shaves another $249 billion from the discretionary spending category that funds the military and programs ranging from education to national parks.

'FRAUDULENT AT WORST'

Democrats' response to Ryan's budget was biting.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the plan would shower new tax breaks on the rich and hit the middle class with higher taxes, all the while cutting essential government services such as food inspections and law enforcement, and weakening Medicare.

That budget, Reid added in a speech on the Senate floor, "relies on accounting that's creative at best and fraudulent at worst."

Despite their severe differences, budget optimists hope that the House Republican and Senate Democratic plans will be the opening salvos in a serious deficit-reduction effort this year.

Ryan, a Wisconsin lawmaker who was the Republican vice presidential nominee in 2012, relies again on major cutbacks to Medicaid by giving states more flexibility to run the program.

A total of $756 billion in savings would be achieved over 10 years on Medicaid, according to a summary of the House Republican budget outline.

Medicare, the federally-backed healthcare program for the elderly and disabled, would see savings of $129 billion over a decade. Eventually, the program would be converted into a voucher-like plan with the elderly receiving subsidies to purchase private insurance or traditional Medicare.

Those Americans now aged 55 or older would maintain their current benefits, however.

Democrats have complained that Ryan's approach would cost older Americans thousands of dollars a year in added healthcare costs while letting the rich keep tax breaks that cost the Treasury Department tens of billions of dollars.

Ironically, Ryan's drive to balance the budget in 10 years is aided by new tax revenues on the rich that Democrats won at the beginning of this year - the very ones that Republicans fought to stop.

REACHING FOR A BUDGET DEAL

Over the past four years, U.S. budget deficits have surpassed $1 trillion annually, contributing to a rapidly escalating national debt that now stands at nearly $16.7 trillion.

Ryan's proposal comes as Republicans and Democrats have been considering the possibility of finding a long-term budget compromise following more than two years of bitter disputes.

Over the past week, Obama has met privately with Republican lawmakers to feel out their willingness to cut a deal. This week the Democratic president is holding four separate meetings with members of Congress to explore possibilities.

Even so, some Republican lawmakers in recent days have noted "an impasse" over tax policy, as Democrats continue to insist on additional tax increases on the wealthy and some corporations.

And Ryan's budget does not shy away from new taunts at Obama as it proposes repealing the president's landmark healthcare law that is gradually being implemented after several failed attempts by Republicans to kill it and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that rejected key challenges to the law.

The House Republican plan envisions U.S. budget deficits falling sharply to $528 billion next year, $125 billion in 2015 and $69 billion in 2016.

While the nation's finances would be strengthened through $4.6 trillion in lower deficits over 10 years, not all of the savings would come through spending cuts.

The Republican budget foresees $700 billion less in interest payments over the next decade, compared to current policy, because of the slowdown in government borrowing.

Debt held by the public would fall from 77.2 percent of GDP next year to 54.8 percent by the end of the 10-year budget window, according to the House Budget Committee.

Besides tackling spending, the Ryan budget calls for reforming the nation's outdated tax code and creating just two income tax brackets of 10 percent and 25 percent.

With Obama and lawmakers trying to reach a budget deal by late July or early August, there is widespread skepticism that an overhaul of tax laws can be accomplished in such little time.

tangent4ronpaul
03-13-2013, 07:13 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/12/both_sides_see_political_gain_in_ryans_budget_plan _117392.html?google_editors_picks=true

Paul Ryan’s new budget plan has conservatives and liberals alike salivating.

The House Budget Committee chairman will unveil a proposal Tuesday morning that calls for balancing the federal budget over a decade, defunding the federal health care law, and restructuring government health programs for seniors and the poor.

The plan pleases lawmakers on Ryan’s right flank, who view the document as an olive branch of sorts from the Republican leadership after rounds of debt ceiling lifts, income tax hikes and a previous budget proposal that took 30 years to clear the deficit. Democrats, meanwhile, are licking their lips at the opportunity to hang the budget, especially its plan to turn Medicare into a voucher system, around the necks of vulnerable Republicans -- a campaign strategy they say helped them pick up congressional seats in November.

“The Ryan budget is a gift that gives throughout the 2014 cycle for Democrats,” said Geoff Garin, a pollster for the Senate Democrats’ campaign arm. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is planning a state-by-state campaign against Republicans by tying them to Ryan’s budget. (Several GOP House members are running, or thinking about running, for Senate seats in states Democrats need to defend, including West Virginia, Arkansas, Louisiana, Michigan and Iowa.) House Democrats plan to reprise this game plan, which yielded eight seats in 2012 -- short of the 25 they needed to reclaim the speaker’s gavel.

Republicans, though, aren’t backing away in the slightest. In fact, they are patting themselves on the back for designing a plan that expunges the deficit in a decade, and hitting Democrats for failing to follow their lead. Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray, who chaired the DSCC last cycle, will introduce a plan on Wednesday that will include additional revenue raisers and some spending trims. The Senate has not passed a budget in four years, but Murray hopes to reverse that trend. Democrats have to defend 21 seats this cycle, and Republicans will not doubt use budget votes on higher taxes as a campaign club.

Both the Republican and Democratic plans, as introduced this week, stand little chance of becoming law. Instead, they are intended to show each party’s spending priorities and values.

In some ways, Ryan’s budget reflects a turning point within the House GOP’s restive ranks. Speaker John Boehner cast the budget chairman in a leading role during a conference retreat in Williamsburg, Va., earlier this year, appointing him to help rally conservatives around a plan to raise the federal debt ceiling for three months -- with the promise of a GOP plan to balance the budget in more reasonable amount of time than Ryan’s previous proposal. Leaders of the Republican Study Committee, a group of the House’s most conservative members, agreed to temporarily extend the government’s borrowing limit (something they have been loath to do even at the brink of default) if the chamber worked to achieve a budget that included a discretionary spending cap as mandated by the sequester and that would be balanced in a decade.

Several members of this group praised the upcoming budget at a gathering of conservatives last month. One lawmaker described it as “something we can get our teeth into.” The RSC has traditionally offered alternative budget proposals to reflect more fiscally conservative priorities or to express disagreement with the Budget Committee’s plan. RSC members say they might introduce an alternative this year, but not as a competing document. (For example, the RSC may seek to remove the $600 billion in tax increases agreed to in the fiscal cliff fight, which Ryan’s proposal includes.)

Ryan said his plan wouldn’t include any further revenues, which Democrats would like to generate to pay down the deficit. Republicans are open, however, to revising the tax code to close loopholes that benefit the wealthy -- but only to lower the deficit, not for additional spending.

The GOP budget also seeks to provide block grants for Medicaid and to provide Medicare beneficiaries with a government voucher to purchase private insurance. Democrats oppose these structural changes because they would not only cut funding to those programs, but also would not adjust the voucher amounts for inflation.

Ryan made another bow to conservatives by revealing that the budget would defund the national health care law. Republicans have failed to repeal, or weaken, the law in the past despite multiple efforts. The Supreme Court upheld it last summer, and some Republican governors have already accepted the expanded Medicaid funding it provides. When “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace told Ryan that repealing the law would not happen, the congressman replied, “Well, we believe it should. That's the point. We believe that Obamacare is a program that will not work. We believe Obamacare will actually lead to hospitals and doctors and health care providers turning people away.”

The chairman’s previous budget, however, used the $700 billion in Medicare savings mandated by the health care law -- a cut he campaigned against as Mitt Romney’s running mate last fall. The cut is again included in the 2014 budget plan.

Ryan has made some concessions to centrist Republicans as well by preserving current benefits for those who are now at least 55 years old. Many House Republicans campaigned on this pledge, and voiced concern during talks about raising that threshold.

By balancing the federal budget faster than his previous plan, Ryan’s budget proposal offers a selling point Republicans can give to constituents concerned about the economy, spending, and debt. Erasing trillions of dollars in debt in the span of 10 years instead of 30 might be more attractive.

Still, the process is ugly. And, a proposal destined to sit on the shelf puts moderate and swing-district Republicans at risk. “Folks want to get the budget balanced as quickly as possible, but I think they get tired, based upon the makeup of the district, of casting votes that don’t go anywhere,” says former Rep. Steve LaTourette, a Republican who retired in January after two decade in the House and who now heads a political consulting firm. “It’s problematic because in order to get there, the budget doesn’t have to be too specific. . . . Then it’s used for fodder [by Democrats] and doesn’t play as well in the swing districts, as it might in the ruby red.”

Though Republicans will use the balanced budget proposal in their own campaigns to keep the House and take over the Senate in 2014, Obama will still be president and probably wouldn’t sign a budget that includes such substantial entitlement program changes.

However, “the last couple of weeks have shown the president and Democrats overplayed their hand in sequestration,” LaTourette says. “Republicans are now fighting on ground they are most comfortable with, and that’s spending. Public opinion indicates it’s about time we get to that.”

Obama, though, may take a cue from President Clinton, who bowed to Newt Gingrich’s call in 1995 for a balanced budget, despite his advisers’ objections, and ultimately took the credit when surpluses resulted.

Caitlin Huey-Burns is a reporter for RealClearPolitics. She can be reached at chueyburns@realclearpolitics.com. Follow her on Twitter @CHueyBurnsRCP.

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MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
03-13-2013, 07:14 AM
The House Republican budget "ends cronyism, eliminates waste, fraud, and abuse and returns the federal government to its proper sphere of activity," Ryan said.


Lies right off the bat, huh?

compromise
03-13-2013, 07:16 AM
The new plan is a huge improvement over the last one. Still very disappointing that military spending isn't being touched. There's a lot of wasteful spending that can be cut back there. That would soften the entitlement cuts and make it more palatable to Independents.

tangent4ronpaul
03-13-2013, 07:17 AM
Lies right off the bat, huh?

WOW!

We should ask him about these things.... like HOW???

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MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
03-13-2013, 07:25 AM
WOW!

We should ask him about these things.... like HOW???



Nah, they just say shit without question. I'm surprised they're still calling them "budget plans" instead of "Super Patriotic, Welfare Ending, Debt Eliminating, Government Giveaway Act of 2013."

UtahApocalypse
03-13-2013, 07:42 AM
I'm sorry but budgeting based on a possible repeal of Obama care is like a household budget based on winning the lottery.

Feeding the Abscess
03-13-2013, 07:48 AM
So the government will grow by 3.4% a year, and we're currently at about a $1 trillion deficit... we'd need like 10 years of consecutive growth at something like 10% for this math to work.

itshappening
03-13-2013, 07:54 AM
The budget has no chance of becoming law and even admits it.

It's a classic case of misdirection and spin.

They plan on passing continuing resolutions and voting to raise the debt ceiling forever and until they get booted out of office and lose the House.

They want to destroy the GOP at congressional level just like Bush did at presidential level leaving the Democrats to "ride to the rescue".

The only thing keeping the House out of Democrat hands is the Tea Party. Efforts need to be made to distinguish real conservative congressmen from the corrupt leadership before they get swept out of office and blamed for their mistakes.

itshappening
03-13-2013, 07:59 AM
If you want any more proof that they plan on destroying the House majority look no further than last week's closed door meeting with Dick Cheney in attendance:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?407418-Deadly-Dick-in-closed-door-meeting-with-Republican-leaders

... Along with Paul Ryan and Democrat collaborators.

Uriah
03-13-2013, 08:05 AM
Hmm..., a budget based on assumed growth and repeal of Obamacare. Not going to happen. I'll give you this Paul Ryan, ten years is better than twenty. If you really want a balanced budget you best include cuts to defense/military spending. To not propose cuts there while cutting entitlements only deepens the divide between left and right. If Ryan wants to run for POTUS this plan won't help his chances in a general election. Like compromise said make it more palatable to Independents.

nano1895
03-13-2013, 08:09 AM
Hmm..., a budget based on assumed growth and repeal of Obamacare. Not going to happen. I'll give you this Paul Ryan, ten years is better than twenty. If you really want a balanced budget you best include cuts to defense/military spending. To not propose cuts there while cutting entitlements only deepens the divide between left and right. If Ryan wants to run for POTUS this plan won't help his chances in a general election. Like compromise said make it more palatable to Independents.

Because the chances that a presidential administration following the same budget 10 years later is...

Can you imagine presidental debates 8 years from now,

Republican: "I will follow the Paul Ryan budget!"

Democrat: "I will also follow the Paul Ryan budget!"

NOPE.