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nbruno322
03-12-2013, 12:36 PM
A Bad Week for Switzerland

It has not been a good week for Switzerland, a country that has unfortunately seen its strong traditions of privacy and independence steadily chipped away.

Last week saw the criminal sentencing in the US of Bank Wegelin, Switzerland's oldest bank, founded in 1741. The sentencing marks one of the final chapters of the bank's 272 year history, which will have to shut down as a result of the case.

Wegelin was the first foreign bank in history to be indicted for assisting US citizens to evade taxes, the first to plead guilty, and then the first to be sentenced. Wegelin incorrectly assumed that since it did not have any branches outside of Switzerland and complied with Swiss law, it was in the clear and out of the reach of the long arm of Uncle Sam.

Wegelin was wrong.

To illustrate the brazen overreach of this case, it helps to see it from another perspective.

Imagine if China were the world's dominant financial power instead of the US, enabling it to enforce its will and trample over the sovereignty of everyone else. Imagine that there were a group of Chinese citizens who banked with BNY Mellon (Bank of New York is the oldest bank in the US), that the bank had no branches outside of the US, and that it complied with all US laws. Suppose that through their business with BNY Mellon this group of Chinese citizens were breaking some draconian financial laws in China, but again complied with all US laws. In reaction to this, imagine if the Chinese government were to then seize BNY Mellon's assets, criminally indict the bank and its employees, and effectively shutdown the oldest bank in the United States.

How would Americans react in such a scenario?

More importantly, how does the US government get away with such an obscene violation of another country's sovereignty?

It's simple: they control the world's premier reserve currency. And as long as that is the case, they will continue to get away with similar measures.

The chilling effects of the Wegelin saga will no doubt ripple throughout the world.

If Switzerland's oldest bank, which had no foreign branches and abided by all local laws, is able to effectively be shut down by the US government, then who is safe from the whims of this desperate and out-of-control government?

The Wegelin case will serve as a sobering example to business owners around the world of the consequences that can occur if you do not comply with the onerous and costly regulations concerning American clients.

We should expect the trend of foreign financial institutions and businesses shunning American clients and partners to accelerate.

The writing is on the wall.

The window for Americans to get their savings out of dodge gets narrower each passing week. It seems the US government is just a hop, skip, and a jump away from imposing de facto or de jure capital controls.

There are, fortunately, still options for you to take action now and internationalize before it's too late. That is exactly what International Man is here for.

https://www.internationalman.com/global-perspectives/a-bad-week-for-switzerland-weekly-update

Demigod
03-12-2013, 12:43 PM
How can the USA government confiscate assets that are in Switzerland? The only thing the USA can do is make a case before the Swiss courts and ask for an extradition.

Something is fishy with this story.There are a few Swiss as far as I have noticed and I am sure someone can make everything clear.

Pericles
03-12-2013, 02:40 PM
The real story, rather than the spin of a site aimed at assiting US citizens to give up US citizenship:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/US_court_orders_oldest_Swiss_bank_to_pay_up.html?c id=35143818

Miss Annie
03-12-2013, 02:40 PM
More importantly, how does the US government get away with such an obscene violation of another country's sovereignty?

This is the question of the hour. Getting a grip on this would solve A LOT of issues!

Yieu
03-12-2013, 03:05 PM
So let me get this straight.

Scotland prosecutes its bankers for the same kind of fraud that bankers in America committed, which helped to lead to the financial crisis.

But our bankers are too big to prosecute, and too big to fail.

But another nation's banks practiced too much freedom, so we must step outside of our jurisdiction to prosecute this most important matter of freedom being allowed to exist. And having less freedom, of course, is always a good thing in the "land of the free".


The real story, rather than the spin of a site aimed at assiting US citizens to give up US citizenship:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/US_court_orders_oldest_Swiss_bank_to_pay_up.html?c id=35143818

I just read the same story twice. :p

Pericles
03-12-2013, 03:26 PM
So let me get this straight.

Scotland prosecutes its bankers for the same kind of fraud that bankers in America committed, which helped to lead to the financial crisis.

But our bankers are too big to prosecute, and too big to fail.

But another nation's banks practiced too much freedom, so we must step outside of our jurisdiction to prosecute this most important matter of freedom being allowed to exist. And having less freedom, of course, is always a good thing in the "land of the free".



I just read the same story twice. :p


The first article failed to mention that the case was in a US court - not a Swiss court. The gonzo part of the story is that Wegelin had no US operations, and voluntarily showed up in the US court to defend itself - anarchists take note ....

KCIndy
03-12-2013, 04:20 PM
"Wegelin has now paid a steep price for aiding and abetting tax fraud that should be heeded by other banks, bankers, and advisers who engage in the same conduct," Manhattan US Attorney Preet Bharara said in a statement. “US taxpayers with undeclared accounts - wherever those accounts may be - should know that their bank may be next, and they should pay what they owe the IRS [US Internal Revenue Service] before we come find them.”


Jeez! Spoken just like Al Capone... only worse!!

Demigod
03-12-2013, 05:24 PM
The first article failed to mention that the case was in a US court - not a Swiss court. The gonzo part of the story is that Wegelin had no US operations, and voluntarily showed up in the US court to defend itself - anarchists take note ....

They had no reason and no obligation to show up before a US court to go on trial.By showing up before the court they legitimized it.And even if they showed up a US court can not seize assets in other countries,they can prosecute them for a criminal offense and sentence them to jail but without a Swiss court confirming the ruling they should not be able to touch their assets in Switzerland.

nbruno322
03-12-2013, 08:31 PM
They had no reason and no obligation to show up before a US court to go on trial.By showing up before the court they legitimized it.And even if they showed up a US court can not seize assets in other countries,they can prosecute them for a criminal offense and sentence them to jail but without a Swiss court confirming the ruling they should not be able to touch their assets in Switzerland.

Yeah I believe they seized the assets from a correspondent bank which was in the US. Since the dollar is the world's reserve currency I think most foreign banks, even if they don't have a physical presence in the US, have to use correspondent banks to transact in US dollars making them somewhat susceptible to being seized.

Zippyjuan
03-12-2013, 08:37 PM
Looks like the bank was sold even before any formal charges were filed so did the US actually shut it down? Doesn't sound like it.


At the end of 2012, Wegelin sold a large part of its business to the Raffeisen Group. A few days later, the US Justice Department charged Wegelin with aiding and abetting tax evasion.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/US_court_orders_oldest_Swiss_bank_to_pay_up.html?c id=35143818


At the end of 2012, Wegelin sold a large part of its business to the Raffeisen Group. On January 3, Wegelin pled guilty to the charges and agreed to a multi-million dollar fine. In return, the criminal case was dropped and both sides waived the possibility of appeal.


Wegelin’s $74 million fine represented about 12 per cent of the CHF560 million it earned when it sold the largest part of its holdings to Raffeisenbank.

LibForestPaul
03-12-2013, 08:38 PM
Something is strange. Why are the Swiss bending over? Because there are other deals, bigger deals, that are being burried?

Pericles
03-13-2013, 10:33 AM
Something is strange. Why are the Swiss bending over? Because there are other deals, bigger deals, that are being burried?
Switzerland has gotten on the PC train (at least two of the political parties in the coalition government). After the dormant accounts from World War II black eye, the Swiss government went into damage control mode, and has been "sensitive" to international pressure ever since. This pressure is now on "tax cheats" which means anybody trying to keep their money. One of the political parties, the SVP is willing to stand up for Swiss sovereignty and is now the largest party in Switzerland and gets over 25% of the vote.