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anaconda
03-10-2013, 11:25 PM
The McLaughlin Group:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/10/eleanor_clift_rand_paul_trying_to_stir_a_revolt_ag ainst_the_us_government.html

Occam's Banana
03-10-2013, 11:40 PM
She says that like it's a bad thing. :confused:;)

And, oh!, the delicious irony of an American accusing someone of using a "tea party" to "stir a revolt" against the British U.S. government ...

TheTexan
03-10-2013, 11:46 PM
Yes he is and I wish him well with that endeavor

RonPaulFanInGA
03-10-2013, 11:54 PM
We're really at a point where being against drone strikes is trying to stir a revolt against the U.S. government?

anaconda
03-10-2013, 11:58 PM
Too bad nobody brought up the Missouri Information Analysis Center to Ms. Clift, or the SPLC watch list.

dancjm
03-10-2013, 11:59 PM
We're really at a point where being against drone strikes is trying to stir a revolt against the U.S. government?

And this is according to a liberal no less.

World has gone mental. But this is good, it is disrupting peoples habituated thinking patterns. It doesn't take much to see that the liberals defending Obama on this and attacking Rand actually sound like GWBush Republicans of a few years ago. This point is not being lost on people either, on both sides. Literally this kind of rhetoric is forcing people to rethink left and right and it's very refreshing to watch.

Occam's Banana
03-11-2013, 12:05 AM
We're really at a point where being against drone strikes is trying to stir a revolt against the U.S. government?

Yes, we are. That, or we're well past the point where twittish establishment hacks like Eleanor Clift can spout half-baked alarmist hyperbole rather than actually & substantively address issues of import.

Or maybe both ...

TomtheTinker
03-11-2013, 12:10 AM
I feel the opposite way about Rand's filibuster..it makes me feel as is that it may be possible to fix issues through political means. I'm sure I am not the only one that feels this way.

Bastiat's The Law
03-11-2013, 12:14 AM
Rand Connor, leader of the human resistance.
http://i45.tinypic.com/v2zl38.jpg

dancjm
03-11-2013, 12:15 AM
I feel the opposite way about Rand's filibuster..it makes me feel as is that it may be possible to fix issues through political means. I'm sure I am not the only one that feels this way.

True.

If anything he is trying to have a conversation with the government, one they don't seem to want to have.

Quark
03-11-2013, 12:37 AM
How do these people even call themselves liberals? It's clear to me that they're authoritarian social democrats, not liberals.

TomtheTinker
03-11-2013, 12:39 AM
True.

If anything he is trying to have a conversation with the government, one they don't seem to want to have.

Why would they want to have a discussion with anybody..they are the ones with he big guns, drones, tanks and basically every other tool of war and aggression the mind can think of.

TomtheTinker
03-11-2013, 12:41 AM
How do these people even call themselves liberals? It's clear to me that they're authoritarian social democrats, not liberals.

Because if they called themselves what they really were and talked about the beliefs they really hald...it would make us sound like moderates.

economics102
03-11-2013, 10:48 AM
Actually we're trying to prevent a revolt, as is Ms. Clift. The difference is, we want to prevent a revolt by reforming government through peaceful political means. Ms. Clift wants to prevent revolt by convincing us all to sit down, shut up, and let the government continue to run roughshod over the people.

Valli6
03-11-2013, 11:01 AM
I watch "The McLaughlin Group" every week and she's always pushing the "extremist" accusation. The first 8:41 of this video from July 6, 2012, covers Rand Paul on drones. I forgot Rand introduced this bill - Did it get "tabled" or what? The response to that bill, then, could be interesting.

The McLaughlin Group - July 6, 2012
Segment on Rand Paul's Act to prohibit the use of drones by US civilian government unless authorized by a warrant. Everyone essentially admits Rand Paul is right, but Pat Buchannan is the only one that does it it without also belittling him. (8:41)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94V2cr_fkj4&feature=relmfu
(There's also a transcript: http://www.mclaughlin.com/transcript.htm?id=906 )

Dr.3D
03-11-2013, 11:06 AM
Because if they called themselves what they really were and talked about the beliefs they really hald...it would make us sound like moderates.
It's all about where the center line is drawn. Right now the center line is so far left it makes those who are moderate look like they are extreme right.

seapilot
03-11-2013, 11:08 AM
How do these people even call themselves liberals? It's clear to me that they're authoritarian social democrats, not liberals.

In other words, they are communists! Such a nasty word in this country at one time that people called that were demonized. That is why they took the name Liberal which used to be identified with Libertarians when socialism became very unpopular after Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler. If this was the 1920s everyone that supported Ron Paul would be called a liberal. Call them what they are, Socialists!

thoughtomator
03-11-2013, 11:46 AM
Anyone remember "dissent is patriotism"?

anaconda
05-13-2013, 02:34 AM
I wonder if the recent IRS audit targets now completely discredit Ms. Clift's condescending remarks about Rand being a paranoid Tea Partier? See OP video.

puppetmaster
05-13-2013, 03:48 AM
Well the US government is currently quite revolting......

mrsat_98
05-13-2013, 04:50 AM
Well the US government is currently quite revolting......

looking for smiley face icon puking.

jkr
05-13-2013, 06:09 AM
well

they been at WAR with us for decades...

July
05-13-2013, 06:11 AM
So accusing someone of trying to "stir a revolt" is somehow not over the top? Rand's argument is at least based in reality, since Obama has actually used a drone on an American citizen before, and although not on our soil, it's a perfectly logical question to ask. Especially considering the homeland is now considered to be a battlefield, and considering smaller drones will soon become commonplace in law enforcement in the near future.

Also what "liberal" calls the act of petitioning your government over grievances a "revolt" anyway? :rolleyes:

jmdrake
05-13-2013, 06:20 AM
ELEANOR CLIFT: I'm with John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who basically said this was over the top and creating a sense that the government is really just waiting for this opportunity to drop a drone on you. But, I'll grant you the point. The ACLU put out a statement siding with Rand Paul and this is where the left and the right do meet.

There are genuine questions about the drones and he did ask them. But he took it to a dimension which really does raise questions about the -- I want to say this gracefully, so maybe I better not say it at all. It raises questions about, you know, what he's up to. It's like he's trying to stir a revolt against the U.S. government.

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CLIFT: He said, 'if I'm a tea party person, the government is going to come after me.' Now, there are tea party people out there who believe that. That is fueling the notion of 'us against them, it's them against this government.' I didn't hear any of this when President Bush was in the White House, who created the drone program, only when Obama's doing it.

The troll is right. She shouldn't have said it. As for the whole "it wasn't said when Bush was president" line:

1) Bush never openly used a drone to kill an American citizen and his teen aged son.

Edit: There was one American killed by drone in 2002, but apparently he wasn't the main target of the strike.
http://tech.mit.edu/V122/N54/long4-54.54w.html

2) Ron Paul often took Bush to task for things he did and she didn't seem at all concerned about that.

3) Of course Rand isn't on record attacking Bush when Bush was president, because Rand wasn't even a public figure then.

4) The fact that the IRS singled out "tea party" groups shows the Obama administration is using the old Nixonian "enemies list" tactics.

Warlord
05-13-2013, 06:50 AM
Rand Paul defends the Bill of Rights


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR13xkOwtxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR13xkOwtxU

Brian Coulter
05-13-2013, 07:11 AM
In other words, they are communists!

Yeah, pretty much. I really don't get why everyone around here keeps doing them the favor of calling them liberals or even worse, progressives.

supermario21
05-13-2013, 07:51 AM
So why do Moderates keep voting in overwhelming numbers for Democrats? Every exit poll says that...

wizardwatson
05-13-2013, 07:58 AM
This is just a taste of things to come if Rand goes for the presidency.

I don't really believe he will get elected. It seems that he has about the same chance as Ron. He may be less "kooky" but they can still attack him from all the same angles. The fact that he plays ball with the GOP might help him with the establishment types and by by relation the public but at the same time it hurts him at the grassroots level if you are just considering Ron's original base.

I'm really having trouble seeing how this is going to end any differently than 2008 and 2012. And what if Rand fails in 2016? Do we meld ourselves even further into the GOP to where we are indistinguishable Illuminati style?

Warlord
05-13-2013, 08:04 AM
This is just a taste of things to come if Rand goes for the presidency.

I don't really believe he will get elected. It seems that he has about the same chance as Ron. He may be less "kooky" but they can still attack him from all the same angles. The fact that he plays ball with the GOP might help him with the establishment types and by by relation the public but at the same time it hurts him at the grassroots level if you are just considering Ron's original base.

I'm really having trouble seeing how this is going to end any differently than 2008 and 2012. And what if Rand fails in 2016? Do we meld ourselves even further into the GOP to where we are indistinguishable Illuminati style?

Rand can absolutely get elected and I believe he's the only GOPer who can flip states like PA, OR, WI and FL. If he can do that or even half of that then he's president isnt he?

If we can get Clinton out the race then he's running against a liberal from Delaware who hasn't had a competitive election for decades

Are you talking about the GOP primary ? If Rand wins IA and NH he's the nominee. Ron could never win either so how is the same?

He might run the whole table of IA, NH, SC and NV. I can see it happening. He's already leading in IA and NH polling and i think his idea is to get this locked up quickly.

wizardwatson
05-13-2013, 08:19 AM
Rand can absolutely get elected and I believe he's the only GOPer who can flip states like PA, OR, WI and FL. If he can do that or even half of that then he's president isnt he?

If we can get Clinton out the race then he's running against a liberal from Delaware who hasn't had a competitive election for decades

Are you talking about the GOP primary ? If Rand wins IA and NH he's the nominee. Ron could never win either so how is the same?

He might run the whole table of IA, NH, SC and NV. I can see it happening. He's already leading in IA and NH polling and i think his idea is to get this locked up quickly.

Of course it's possible. A lot of things could go wrong though it isn't a certainty. What if someone runs who talks the same talk? It's useless to debate it really, obviously we should support him but it's 3 years away and my feeling is that little will be done about anything until then and if he does lose we're back where we started. It seems the whole movement rests on the idea that Rand is going to be the one who turns the tide of public opinion.

Warlord
05-13-2013, 08:21 AM
Of course it's possible. A lot of things could go wrong though it isn't a certainty. What if someone runs who talks the same talk? It's useless to debate it really, obviously we should support him but it's 3 years away and my feeling is that little will be done about anything until then and if he does lose we're back where we started. It seems the whole movement rests on the idea that Rand is going to be the one who turns the tide of public opinion.

But it's not the same as Ron. I could never believably write he was going to win IA, NH, SC but I can with Rand because it's the truth and he's leading polling there.

If he's the nominee then he has a 50/50 shot at winning and if it's against that dumbass Biden then he has an amazing chance at being president which is why he's trying to shame Clinton out of the race. if Clinton runs then it's more difficult but there's lots of material on her pathetic leadership skills coming out almost daily so we'll see where that goes.

Rand is the only presidential hope I think that's obvious but if you look there's a 2014 forum and see my sig we can get another constitutional conservative into the Senate with enough hard work and backing.

wizardwatson
05-13-2013, 08:23 AM
At what point will we know if Rand is going to run?

Warlord
05-13-2013, 08:28 AM
At what point will we know if Rand is going to run?

After the 2014 elections but it's pretty certain he's running. One only has to look at where he's traveling, who he's speaking to and what his PAC is doing to figure that out.

wizardwatson
05-13-2013, 08:34 AM
After the 2014 elections but it's pretty certain he's running. One only has to look at where he's traveling, who he's speaking to and what his PAC is doing to figure that out.

So what should we be doing between now and then?

Warlord
05-13-2013, 08:52 AM
So what should we be doing between now and then?

Reading the 2014 forum, keeping abreast of the issues in the general poitics forum, opting into the Ron Paul endorsed Paul Broun's July 12th moneybomb and educating people about liberty and the constitution

is that enough?

wizardwatson
05-13-2013, 09:33 AM
Reading the 2014 forum, keeping abreast of the issues in the general poitics forum, opting into the Ron Paul endorsed Paul Broun's July 12th moneybomb and educating people about liberty and the constitution

is that enough?

So read, read, give money to a Congressman's campaign, encourage others to read.

Is that enough? Do we know how many people are doing this? Do we have any metrics for anything at all for that matter?

That strategy has been going on for six years, requires no accountability, and anyone can claim they are doing it.

anaconda
05-13-2013, 05:19 PM
I'm really having trouble seeing how this is going to end any differently than 2008 and 2012. And what if Rand fails in 2016? Do we meld ourselves even further into the GOP to where we are indistinguishable Illuminati style?

See current poll numbers for starters. Ron was not polling a 19 point lead in IA in early 2009. What I think is equally likely is that the powers that be will LET Rand become President and then pull the final plug on the economy. His approval rating will be about 9% in 2018. The globalists will have effectively killed the small government challenge.

torchbearer
05-13-2013, 05:19 PM
Don't tell her about Adam Kokesh are her head will explode.

torchbearer
05-13-2013, 05:21 PM
And this is according to a liberal no less.

World has gone mental. But this is good, it is disrupting peoples habituated thinking patterns. It doesn't take much to see that the liberals defending Obama on this and attacking Rand actually sound like GWBush Republicans of a few years ago. This point is not being lost on people either, on both sides. Literally this kind of rhetoric is forcing people to rethink left and right and it's very refreshing to watch.

people i know are clueless.