Rand Paul Moneybomb site confirmed as legit

[sailingaway]

UPDATE - CaseyJones says Rand's Chief of Staff has confirmed the site as legitimate, so I don't know why it is different from the others but that was the main issue. I will delete this but I want it to stay up for a while to clear up the problem for anyone who saw it before.

Prior post:


It is possible the site sending stuff to C4L people is legitimate but there is no mention of it on the C4L page, and I've seen no press releases that this is an official pac for Rand.

https://secure.randpac.com/ is the RandPac donation link.

Another site, rand-2016(dot)com 'directs' to Rand Pac but it is its own page, and has a 'moneybomb' going on.

It says 'paid for by Rand Paul for Senate' but the official Rand Paul site was bought by a member here some time ago for Rand and is here: http://www.randpaul2016.com/

Until we find out exactly who is behind the rand-2016(dot)com, I would recommend donating to Rand Pac or to Rand's Senate campaign site at: https://secure.randpaul2016.com/

With regard to the rand-2016(dot)com(the whois just gives the name of a political consultancy firm which could mean this is a neocon astroturf group by Rove or the Tea Party Nation guy, or a legitimate group, I have no idea.)

http://i.imgur.com/ZgJ2gGR.png?1

We have had scams on money bombs before and it pays to be careful. Contrarily, if someone has legitimate info about these people, please let us know.

[torchbearer]

I just emailed Debbie Hopper, maybe she will have some insight.

[luctor-et-emergo]

http://www.yaliberty.org/campaignbootcamps

Mike Rothfeld, Foundation for Applied Conservative Leadership
Michael I. Rothfeld is President of SABER Communications, Inc. a campaign, political consulting, grass-roots organizing and direct response company located in Falmouth, Virginia. In over twenty years of professional political activism, Mr. Rothfeld has directed grass-roots programs and fundraising for all types of organizations including PACs, educational foundations, political lobbies, political parties and campaigns.

http://saberinc.net/about_us.html

Can't say for sure, but looks legit.

[PatriotOne]

This is the same site Cowesly posted for donations during Rand's filibuster. I donated $50 to it. I'm going to be pissed if this wasn't Rand's Pac. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406484-RAND-PAC-2013-show-some-support-for-his-filibuster-efforts&p=4909104#post4909104

I also noted that I didn't recieve a reciept via email when I donated nor even a thank you for your donation response page after I donated.

[sailingaway]

http://www.yaliberty.org/campaignbootcamps


http://saberinc.net/about_us.html


Saber is a legitimate company, but works for many many groups. This isn't from YAL I don't think, because I am on their mailing list and I didn't get it. It says it got the mailing list from C4L but C4L has nothing about EITHER the money bomb or the combined petition on the website.

If it is legitimate, great, but I'd like to know that. Many hire Saber, not just our people. If it is Tea Party Nation (whose head is not exactly a liberty gyy) it is still potentially 'legitimate', but people might view how they would spend the money differently than if it were by a YAL inspired group. How will the money be spent? Who is running it?

We usually have all that information before people start asking for money in legitimate ways.

[sailingaway]

This is the same site Cowesly posted for donations during Rand's filibuster. I donated $50 to it. I'm going to be pissed if this wasn't Rand's Pac. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406484-RAND-PAC-2013-show-some-support-for-his-filibuster-efforts&p=4909104#post4909104

I also noted that I didn't recieve a reciept via email when I donated nor even a thank you for your donation response page after I donated.


Thank you. I know they sent stuff out to people on various mailing lists, but maybe he knows something about it, and I will follow up with him.

[Lucille]

I got two emails from them today. I didn't donate to them, and I'm not even sure if their letter from Ron is even real.


Last week, Rand Paul stood for 13 hours filibustering Senate business to defend our Constitution.

Because of Rand's principled stand, Barack Obama hedged and finally gave Rand the answer he and other freedom lovers were asking for in writing.

____, Rand is currently holding a Stand With Rand Money Bomb to rally millions of Americans to help defend the Constitution.

I'm proud of my son's principled stand, so I'm personally asking you to sign your Defend the Constitution Petition and make a generous contribution to the Stand With Rand Money Bomb.

The Money Bomb ends tomorrow at midnight.

So please sign your Defend the Constitution Petition today.

In Liberty,
http://www.chooseliberty.org/images/RP-Signature.gif
Ron Paul

P.S. Although Rand Paul's filibuster is over, the battle to restore Constitutional government rages on.

If you haven't yet done so, please sign your Defend the Constitution Petition right away.

And if you've already signed your petition, I hope you'll make a donation to help Rand Paul continue to defend Constitutional government in Washington.

Like Rand Paul On Facebook

Paid for by Rand Paul for Senate 2016.

www.RandPaul2016.com

[torchbearer]

got the email also.

[PatriotOne]

Thank you. I know they sent stuff out to people on various mailing lists, but maybe he knows something about it, and I will follow up with him.

I appreciate your inquiry into it's legitimacy. It pains me to remember all the $ going to scam artists in the past 6 yrs. We really need to be more vigilant before we enthusiastically start donating.

[sailingaway]

I got two emails from them today. I didn't donate to them, and I'm not even sure if their letter from Ron is even real.

That looks like a Ron Paul email, but note the 'paid for by' there is the CORRECT site RandPaul2016.com not rand-2016(dot)com and RandPaul2016.com doesn't mention this money bomb either: http://www.randpaul2016.com/

Could you please post the links where it says 'sign the petition' etc?

It might be legitimate, but I can't find who is behind it.

[sailingaway]

The last C4L email I got from Ron was on February 6 about gun rights. But sometimes I got his stuff later in the day than anyone else, during the campaign, I decided California just got stuff late.

The C4L stuff I got all went to a 'choose liberty' link site though: http://www.chooseliberty.org/libertydirective.aspx?pid=re1

and their donation page is here: https://secure.campaignforliberty.org/

[luctor-et-emergo]

Saber is a legitimate company, but works for many many groups. This isn't from YAL I don't think, because I am on their mailing list and I didn't get it. It says it got the mailing list from C4L but C4L has nothing about EITHER the money bomb or the combined petition on the website.

If it is legitimate, great, but I'd like to know that. Many hire Saber, not just our people. If it is Tea Party Nation (whose head is not exactly a liberty gyy) it is still potentially 'legitimate', but people might view how they would spend the money differently than if it were by a YAL inspired group. How will the money be spent? Who is running it?

We usually have all that information before people start asking for money in legitimate ways.

I have been looking a bit more...
I could not find "RandPAC" on the OpenSecrets.org website, apparently the official name is: "Reinventing a New Direction".

Saber is mentioned here as the top recipient:
1 Saber Communications $143,938

(http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2012&cmte=C00493924)


I cannot find anymore information on this, but it does not sound logical to me for a firm that actually works for RandPAC to do unauthorized, fraudulent money-bombs. Then again, stranger things have happened so don't take my word for it but wait until someone involved comments.

[Lucille]

This is the email I got it from: Ron Paul ron.paul@rand-2016.com

This is the petition and donation link: http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/11770436:14831795274:m:1:170742827:3A25D4948599020 3FBA6A4FB20C020C3:r

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

You know what isn't a scam? Glen Bradley's run for NCGOP Vice-Chair.

Donate a couple bucks here: http://glenbradley.net/?pg=donate

[angelatc]

I have been looking a bit more...
I could not find "RandPAC" on the OpenSecrets.org website, apparently the official name is: "Reinventing a New Direction". .

That's because it's illegal to name a PAC after a politician. This name bugs me. How you reinvent something new?

[PatriotOne]

I have been looking a bit more...
I could not find "RandPAC" on the OpenSecrets.org website, apparently the official name is: "Reinventing a New Direction".

Saber is mentioned here as the top recipient:
1 Saber Communications $143,938

(http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2012&cmte=C00493924)


I cannot find anymore information on this, but it does not sound logical to me for a firm that actually works for RandPAC to do unauthorized, fraudulent money-bombs. Then again, stranger things have happened so don't take my word for it but wait until someone involved comments.

Awww...that explains why I couldn't find it on Open Secrets myself.

Official PAC Name:
REINVENTING A NEW DIRECTION - RANDPAC

[sailingaway]

I tried tweeting Ron's twitter account but I don't know that it is regularly 'manned' so to speak.

[sailingaway]

This is the email I got it from: Ron Paul ron.paul@rand-2016.com

This is the petition and donation link: http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/11770436:14831795274:m:1:170742827:3A25D4948599020 3FBA6A4FB20C020C3:r

Thanks. paracom is one I've gotten stuff from before from C4L. It is possible, and Sabre is too. We just usually KNOW what the official sites are. And if Rand Paul for Senate is paying for this, as it says at the bottom, why is this a different donation page than the RandPaul2016 one, and why isn't it mentioned there? The idea that it is paid for by the OFFICIAL RAnd Paul for Senate account kinda makes it seem like it couldn't be an unaffiliated PAC on behalf of him, so why a different donation site?

I just want to get this cleared up. It is everyone's own money, but I'd donate it directly to one of the places we know for sure are his, personally.

[Lucille]

Thanks. paracom is one I've gotten stuff from before from C4L. It is possible, and Sabre is too. We just usually KNOW what the official sites are. And if Rand Paul for Senate is paying for this, as it says at the bottom, why is this a different donation page than the RandPaul2016 one, and why isn't it mentioned there?

I just want to get this cleared up. It is everyone's own money, but I'd donate it directly to one of the places we know for sure are his, personally.

When you click the paracom link it redirects here: http://www.rand-2016.com/standwithrand.aspx?pid=c4l1

[sailingaway]

It looks to me like Cowlsey was asking for donations to RAndpac, not this other site: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406484-RAND-PAC-2013-show-some-support-for-his-filibuster-efforts&highlight=show+support+filibuster

[mad cow]

This is the same site Cowesly posted for donations during Rand's filibuster. I donated $50 to it. I'm going to be pissed if this wasn't Rand's Pac. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406484-RAND-PAC-2013-show-some-support-for-his-filibuster-efforts&p=4909104#post4909104

I also noted that I didn't recieve a reciept via email when I donated nor even a thank you for your donation response page after I donated.

I used Cowesly's link in that thread and my auto-fill box wouldn't pop up,so I went to a Rand Pac email in my inbox and donated from that link.I think it was the same link anyway.

I never got a receipt either,I don't think anyone in that thread did or at least nobody posted them as is typical in such threads.

I did sign their petition and I got an email reply about it from one of my senators,Warner.

[sailingaway]

When you click the paracom link it redirects here: http://www.rand-2016.com/standwithrand.aspx?pid=c4l1

which is still that other site, and if it is paid for by Rand Paul for Senate 2016 as the page says, why isn't it that account?

[sailingaway]

I used Cowesly's link in that thread and my auto-fill box wouldn't pop up,so I went to a Rand Pac email in my inbox and donated from that link.I think it was the same link anyway.

I never got a receipt either,I don't think anyone in that thread did or at least nobody posted them as is typical in such threads.

I did sign their petition and I got an email reply about it from one of my senators,Warner.

the link in the OP of that thread is RandPac https://secure.randpac.com/ not the rand-2016(dot)com site

[itshappening]

I'm not sure why Rand is trying to fill the coffers with this, even got Ron sending emails for him.

My advice is to keep your powder dry. Rand's PAC is in a healthy position so he doesn't need the money really and its far too early to think about 2016.

There are things we need to do for 2014 first.

[sailingaway]

I'm not sure why Rand is trying to fill the coffers with this, even got Ron sending emails for him.

My advice is to keep your powder dry. Rand's PAC is in a healthy position so he doesn't need the money really and its far too early to think about 2016.

There are things we need to do for 2014 first.
I'm not sure it is really happening officially.

[PatriotOne]

It looks to me like Cowlsey was asking for donations to RAndpac, not this other site: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406484-RAND-PAC-2013-show-some-support-for-his-filibuster-efforts&highlight=show+support+filibuster

Oh I see now. Your questioning randpaul2016 donation pg. I read the OP wrong. Glad to know I at least sent my donation to the one that we know is legitimate.

[Lucille]

which is still that other site, and if it is paid for by Rand Paul for Senate 2016 as the page says, why isn't it that account?

I'll forward the email to you. PM me your email and I'll shoot it over if you'd like to see it yourself.

[itshappening]

it looks legit to me but you never know. I do find it odd that he's asking for money and holding a non-grassroots self-described "moneybomb"... what does he need it for?

[sailingaway]

Oh I see now. Your questioning randpaul2016 donation pg. I read the OP wrong. Glad to know I at least sent my donation to the one that we know is legitimate.

No, I'm not questioning RandPaul2016 donation page, either. I'm questioning rand-2016(dot)com donation page, which is the one the 'moneybomb' goes to.

And am questioning why, if in fact it is 'paid for by Rand Paul for Senate 2016' why does it NOT go to the RandPaul2016 page or to the RandPac page.

[mad cow]

the link in the OP of that thread is RandPac https://secure.randpac.com/ not the rand-2016(dot)com site

Yeah,I just went to the site in your post and typed in the first 2 letters of my name.Most places when I do this,an auto-fill box pops up making my life easier.
Someone should tell Rand Pac to utilize this so as not to discourage us lazy types from impromptu donations.
And email receipts.

[PatriotOne]

No, I'm not questioning RandPaul2016 donation page, either. I'm questioning rand-2016(dot)com donation page, which is the one the 'moneybomb' goes to.

And am questioning why, if in fact it is 'paid for by Rand Paul for Senate 2016' why does it NOT go to the RandPaul2016 page or to the RandPac page.

Ugh. I knew that on the second read. Not sure why I cited the other.

[CaseyJones]

had someone ask Rands Chief of Staff and he says Rand-2016.com is legit

[torchbearer]

had someone ask Rands Chief of Staff and he says Rand-2016.com is legit

thank you.

[sailingaway]

had someone ask Rands Chief of Staff and he says Rand-2016.com is legit

Thank you! It it actually Rand's?

[Matt Collins]

I'm not sure why Rand is trying to fill the coffers with this, even got Ron sending emails for him.When is the best time to fundraise? ALWAYS!

When you're hot and on fire, especially fundraise hard then. That's what Rand is doing.

[Matt Collins]

I fail to understand the original concern in this thread? Can someone recap it for me? :confused:

[sailingaway]

I fail to understand the original concern in this thread? Can someone recap it for me? :confused:

We never heard of the website the money is going to. Before people raise money here we want to make sure it isn't a scam. We know the usual C4L and RandPac and RandPaul2016 sites, but hadn't been familiar with this one. People ran all sorts of scams trying to capture Ron's donations, and we wanted donations to go where they are supposed to go. but it has been confirmed as 'legit', I am still not sure if it is Rand's himself or a PACs, but if it is legit then it is.

Do you know more about this site? It is the Rand-2016(dot)com one.

[Matt Collins]

We never heard of the website the money is going to. Before people raise money here we want to make sure it isn't a scam. We know the usual C4L and RandPac and RandPaul2016 sites, but hadn't been familiar with this one. People ran all sorts of scams trying to capture Ron's donations, and we wanted donations to go where they are supposed to go. but it has been confirmed as 'legit', I am still not sure if it is Rand's himself or a PACs, but if it is legit then it is.

Do you know more about this site? It is the Rand-2016(dot)com one.
Looks like it forwards directly to: http://www.randpac.com/ which is legit.

[sailingaway]

Looks like it forwards directly to: http://www.randpac.com/ which is legit.

it redirects there but the donation form is different, but CaseyJones asked and we know it is legit now. I just am not certain why there is a different one, but we just wanted to make sure it wasn't a scam.

[Matt Collins]

it redirects there but the donation form is different, but CaseyJones asked and we know it is legit now. I just am not certain why there is a different one, but we just wanted to make sure it wasn't a scam.
Spam and scam filters tend to prohibit multiple penetrations of URLs like that. So when you do a new fundraising campaign, you tend to want a fresh URL for it that hasn't already been flagged by spam filters.

[Cowlesy]

I'm not sure why Rand is trying to fill the coffers with this, even got Ron sending emails for him.

My advice is to keep your powder dry. Rand's PAC is in a healthy position so he doesn't need the money really and its far too early to think about 2016.

There are things we need to do for 2014 first.

Hey I just posted the link to www.randpac.com and secure.randpac.com because I figured this forum could scratch together some donations. For the record, last year I donated through the link and it was definitely legitimate then.

I'll double-check if circumstances have changed, but I can't possibly imagine they have. But I'll check as one can never be too sure.

[sailingaway]

Hey I just posted the link to www.randpac.com and secure.randpac.com because I figured this forum could scratch together some donations. For the record, last year I donated through the link and it was definitely legitimate then.

I'll double-check if circumstances have changed, but I can't possibly imagine they have. But I'll check as one can never be too sure.

We know randpac is real but this was a new site, rand-2016(dot)com and we just had never heard of it.

[Cowlesy]

We know randpac is real but this was a new site, rand-2016(dot)com and we just had never heard of it.

Ah, okay, wasn't clear to me. In any case, yes, I double-reconfirmed that Randpac.com is legit.