Issue: Gun Rights: Enforcing The Constitution: With GUNS

[RonPaul4President]

There seems to be a gaping hole in America's system of government. You have a Constitution that was written by a few people for everyone's well-being. Fine. On the other hand you have a government that writes their owns laws to protect their interests. Seems fair, right? Not!

Here's the problem, the government uses force, justice and imprisonment to deal with people that violate their laws. What about when the government violates the law of the people? Why is it that we are seeing such disregard for our Constitution yet nothing happens to those who violate it's sanctity. I think that is pretty damn unfair and unbalanced.

What the people of America need is their own justice system put in place by the people themselves, directly. Sorry Congress. You had your chance but failed miserably. Members of this Constitutional Justice Commitee would have to have demonstrated a lifelong history of honor and integrity as well as a record of utmost respect for the Constitution.

There you have it. Law versus law - Justice versus Justice.

Faith is blindfolded fear. Never again.

[tsoldrin]

I think we need a fourth branch of government which does nothing but keeps the other three branches in check. You'd have to draw people for it by lottery to keep it uncorrupt though.

[Bouhk]

There seems to be a gaping hole in America's system of government. You have a Constitution that was written by a few people for everyone's well-being. Fine. On the other hand you have a government that writes their owns laws to protect their interests. Seems fair, right? Not!

Here's the problem, the government uses force, justice and imprisonment to deal with people that violate their laws. What about when the government violates the law of the people? Why is it that we are seeing such disregard for our Constitution yet nothing happens to those who violate it's sanctity. I think that is pretty damn unfair and unbalanced.

What the people of America need is their own justice system put in place by the people themselves, directly. Sorry Congress. You had your chance but failed miserably. Members of this Constitutional Justice Commitee would have to have demonstrated a lifelong history of honor and integrity as well as a record of utmost respect for the Constitution.

There you have it. Law versus law - Justice versus Justice.

Faith is blindfolded fear. Never again.

I agree! Whats the difference between fighting for our freedom in WWII and today? WE THE PEOPLE do now matter anymore. "In God WE Trust" has been replaced with "In me I serve."
Corporate business men need to die. They no longer have the right to live in America has dictated by THE PEOPLE. They (corporate business thugs) have $old America out for their own greed and lust (more humanism). They are raping the American working man and now deserve to die. The second Amendment needs to be enforced soon or there may not ever be another American again.

WE want American back again! A civil war faught soon could be won somewhat quick. Getting both the communist and the nazis out of the country is not really hard, just destroy the NEB, ACLU, FFRF, and the heavy metal music Industry while WE'RE at it. America has been hijacked by Social Darwinism and this has lead to a violation of natural law!

I have decided so far not to vote for Ron Paul because theres too many metalheads supporting him and if Ron Paul attracks that kind of evil then such bad company says little about his supporters. All humanist/metalheads:rolleyes:

Americans need to at least voice their displeasures!!

1- Get evolution out of the public schools

2- Find and get the illegal Mexicans out of America, then close the border

3- Lower gas prices!

4- Increase jobs

5- Higher the quality of education, not the status of living. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer, some of us just want some local job we can retire from, nothing special. WE Americans have the right to chose OUR dream. If WE want education then OUR Government should supply the best quality of education in the world (like in the days of Noah Webster, the Christian educator). If WE citizens chose to remain uneducated then let US work local jobs that WE can live off of and retire from (not including fast foods etc.). I'm talking $16.00 hr. or more. WE should be able to enjoy the quality of life without having to become a Doctor or Lawyer just to make ends meet.

Son of a Bitch! I've had to study philosophy, theology, science, archaeology, paleonanthropology, psychology, and history just to speak my voice has an American!!!:eek: And I'm still a High School Drop Out!! Now I believe that $tereotypes should be illegal for all that I've had to learn without that damn piece of paper.

[hroos]

I think we need a fourth branch of government which does nothing but keeps the other three branches in check. You'd have to draw people for it by lottery to keep it uncorrupt though.

You may be on to something there. Ancient Israel which Christians read about it their Scriptures did cast lots to determine major decisions.

[Gee]

I think we do need an agency which actively seeks out unconstitutional legistlation and sues the government over it. It could have a trial by jury, like any other case. And there must be penalties for a legislator violating the constitution. At the minimum those people need to be bared from public service for the rest of their life. The constitution is really a very simple document, once you toss out all the silly supreme court precedents its not difficult to understand.

Of course, we'd need an amendment to do this, which probably will never happen. We also need an amendment stating the constitution must be interpreted in an originalist fashion, which is the only way any law created in a democracit fashion should be interpreted.

[ShaneC]

I agree! Whats the difference between fighting for our freedom in WWII and today? WE THE PEOPLE do now matter anymore. "In God WE Trust" has been replaced with "In me I serve."
Corporate business men need to die. They no longer have the right to live in America has dictated by THE PEOPLE. They (corporate business thugs) have $old America out for their own greed and lust (more humanism). They are raping the American working man and now deserve to die. The second Amendment needs to be enforced soon or there may not ever be another American again.

WE want American back again! A civil war faught soon could be won somewhat quick. Getting both the communist and the nazis out of the country is not really hard, just destroy the NEB, ACLU, FFRF, and the heavy metal music Industry while WE'RE at it. America has been hijacked by Social Darwinism and this has lead to a violation of natural law!

I have decided so far not to vote for Ron Paul because theres too many metalheads supporting him and if Ron Paul attracks that kind of evil then such bad company says little about his supporters. All humanist/metalheads:rolleyes:

Americans need to at least voice their displeasures!!

1- Get evolution out of the public schools

2- Find and get the illegal Mexicans out of America, then close the border

3- Lower gas prices!

4- Increase jobs

5- Higher the quality of education, not the status of living. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer, some of us just want some local job we can retire from, nothing special. WE Americans have the right to chose OUR dream. If WE want education then OUR Government should supply the best quality of education in the world (like in the days of Noah Webster, the Christian educator). If WE citizens chose to remain uneducated then let US work local jobs that WE can live off of and retire from (not including fast foods etc.). I'm talking $16.00 hr. or more. WE should be able to enjoy the quality of life without having to become a Doctor or Lawyer just to make ends meet.

Son of a Bitch! I've had to study philosophy, theology, science, archaeology, paleonanthropology, psychology, and history just to speak my voice has an American!!!:eek: And I'm still a High School Drop Out!! Now I believe that $tereotypes should be illegal for all that I've had to learn without that damn piece of paper.


egads - perhaps I've spent too much time tonight w/ my good friend Mr Jim Beam, but for a moment, I thought you were serious about some of your comments there.

[SeanEdwards]

I agree! Whats the difference between fighting for our freedom in WWII and today? WE THE PEOPLE do now matter anymore. "In God WE Trust" has been replaced with "In me I serve."
Corporate business men need to die. They no longer have the right to live in America has dictated by THE PEOPLE. They (corporate business thugs) have $old America out for their own greed and lust (more humanism). They are raping the American working man and now deserve to die. The second Amendment needs to be enforced soon or there may not ever be another American again.

WE want American back again! A civil war faught soon could be won somewhat quick. Getting both the communist and the nazis out of the country is not really hard, just destroy the NEB, ACLU, FFRF, and the heavy metal music Industry while WE'RE at it. America has been hijacked by Social Darwinism and this has lead to a violation of natural law!

I have decided so far not to vote for Ron Paul because theres too many metalheads supporting him and if Ron Paul attracks that kind of evil then such bad company says little about his supporters. All humanist/metalheads:rolleyes:

Americans need to at least voice their displeasures!!

1- Get evolution out of the public schools

2- Find and get the illegal Mexicans out of America, then close the border

3- Lower gas prices!

4- Increase jobs

5- Higher the quality of education, not the status of living. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer, some of us just want some local job we can retire from, nothing special. WE Americans have the right to chose OUR dream. If WE want education then OUR Government should supply the best quality of education in the world (like in the days of Noah Webster, the Christian educator). If WE citizens chose to remain uneducated then let US work local jobs that WE can live off of and retire from (not including fast foods etc.). I'm talking $16.00 hr. or more. WE should be able to enjoy the quality of life without having to become a Doctor or Lawyer just to make ends meet.

Son of a Bitch! I've had to study philosophy, theology, science, archaeology, paleonanthropology, psychology, and history just to speak my voice has an American!!!:eek: And I'm still a High School Drop Out!! Now I believe that $tereotypes should be illegal for all that I've had to learn without that damn piece of paper.

Whut?? :confused:

[RonPaul4President]

Whut?? :confused:

You beat me to it. :rolleyes:

[mars]

<snipped>

I think you need to work more on your communication skills & English proficiency...

[LibertyEagle]

I agree! Whats the difference between fighting for our freedom in WWII and today? WE THE PEOPLE do now matter anymore. "In God WE Trust" has been replaced with "In me I serve."
Corporate business men need to die. They no longer have the right to live in America has dictated by THE PEOPLE. They (corporate business thugs) have $old America out for their own greed and lust (more humanism). They are raping the American working man and now deserve to die. The second Amendment needs to be enforced soon or there may not ever be another American again.

You are lumping people together, Bouhk. What I bet you have a problem with is corporatism. That is very different than a company succeeding from its own merits. Here's an article you may find interesting:
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0411e.asp


WE want American back again! A civil war faught soon could be won somewhat quick. Getting both the communist and the nazis out of the country is not really hard, just destroy the NEB, ACLU, FFRF, and the heavy metal music Industry while WE'RE at it. America has been hijacked by Social Darwinism and this has lead to a violation of natural law!


We have allowed our government to almost complete the Communist Manifesto. It's pretty alarming actually if one takes a look at it and thinks about where America is right now. Another interesting thing to look at is the Humanist Manifesto and research who and how it has been implemented in our schools and beyond.


I have decided so far not to vote for Ron Paul because theres too many metalheads supporting him and if Ron Paul attracks that kind of evil then such bad company says little about his supporters. All humanist/metalheads:rolleyes:

The reality is that Ron Paul attracts people of all walks of life and across the political spectrum. I would imagine it is because of his stance on the Constitution and individual liberty. If we take a look at that more closely, that means I don't have to agree or approve of how someone else chooses to live their life. As long as they do not infringe on my liberty, it simply is none of my business. I think you will find a lot of disagreement on this board on a number of issues; however, we are joined by the belief that getting government out of our lives would be a good thing for our country and our futures.

So who are you going to vote for, Bouhk? With few exception, the others are interested in continuing this farce called the War on Terror, increasing the size and scope of the federal government, the dismantling of our Constitution and bottom line, endorse the further spiraling of our country into big government Socialism.


Americans need to at least voice their displeasures!!

1- Get evolution out of the public schools

2- Find and get the illegal Mexicans out of America, then close the border

3- Lower gas prices!

4- Increase jobs


I think a number of Americans ARE voicing their displeasures on these issues; however not every American agrees on all these points.

Here's something I don't understand. The only one of the forementioned items that I believe is the federal government's job is your #2 and I am uncomfortable about the phrase, "close the border". That smacks too much like a totalitarian country, to me at least. I do want the ability to leave the country, as I choose. Don't get me wrong, I do agree with building a fence. For sure, in high crossing areas, so that the Border Patrol can more easily focus their attention on other areas. It's my belief that stopping the invasion of our country is going to be more successful if we cut out all the freebie handouts to the illegal aliens and penalize those who hire them. Although, I may be wrong about penalizing employers, because of some of the associated consequences of so doing. In other words, I don't want National ID cards.

Why do you believe it is government's responsibility to "increase jobs"? Isn't their job to get out of the way so we have the opportunity to start our own companies and employ others in our venture?



5- Higher the quality of education, not the status of living. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer, some of us just want some local job we can retire from, nothing special. WE Americans have the right to chose OUR dream. If WE want education then OUR Government should supply the best quality of education in the world (like in the days of Noah Webster, the Christian educator). If WE citizens chose to remain uneducated then let US work local jobs that WE can live off of and retire from (not including fast foods etc.). I'm talking $16.00 hr. or more. WE should be able to enjoy the quality of life without having to become a Doctor or Lawyer just to make ends meet.

Son of a Bitch! I've had to study philosophy, theology, science, archaeology, paleonanthropology, psychology, and history just to speak my voice has an American!!!:eek: And I'm still a High School Drop Out!! Now I believe that $tereotypes should be illegal for all that I've had to learn without that damn piece of paper.



Why do you want the federal government to run schools? You do realize, right, that this is how you got the very same socialism/communism schools of thought and associated programs pushed down to our schools? School-to-Work, No Child Left Behind, Goals 2000. Here is something that might interest you:
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

The author was a Sr. Policy advisor in the Reagan administration.

How about the $16.00/hour? Are you saying that the government should increase the minimum wage to this level? Do you realize how very many jobs would dry up because of such a minimum wage? Think of all the small companies, maybe even the very few Mom and pop companies that still remain after all the government regulations and mandates. It's not government's job to establish the amount a place of business needs to pay someone for their labor. Instead, they need to get out of the way with all their restrictions and mandates, so that WE can exercise the opportunity to make our own way, through our own hard work and merits.

Bouhk, do you believe in the Constitution and the wisdom of our Founding Fathers? I ask that, because you seem to endorse an extreme amount of power in the hands of government and that simply was not what our Founders envisioned. I'm also confused because you speak at the beginning about Nazis, Communists, etc. Do you realize that Nazism, like Communism, revolves around total government control? If you want to move away from these ideologies, we have to decrease, not increase, the size and scope of government.

Here are some interesting web sites on this matter. All kinds of free reading and listening material. :)
http://www.fee.org/
http://www.mises.org/

[Ira Aten]

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I think we need a fourth branch of government which does nothing but keeps the other three branches in check. You'd have to draw people for it by lottery to keep it uncorrupt though.


You are close, but there is no need for a fourth. There really is a branch within the Judicial which we have allowed to be abandonded, but is STILL Constitutionally the Supreme Check and Balance.

It is the Jury. Article III states that ALL Criminal trials shall be by Jury. However, we allow Judges (Government Employees) to act soley as the Jury in almost all cases of not only findings of legal matters, but also as finders of fact. In fact, we allow the Jury to be cut off at the kneew, through wha is called the "plea agreement" which removes the jury from the process. However, the Constitution does not allow a "plea agreement" since it clearly says, "all" criminal trials shall be by Jury. By disobeying that law, (the Supreme Law of the Land) we allowed Judges and Lawyers to take over our Government.

A jury has the power to rescind a law, by jury nullification. However, Judges will not allow a person to serve on a Jury, if he has in his possession, a copy of the United States Constitution. The reason is, a Juror could read to other Jurors in a short amount of time, that Article VI is the Supreme Law of the Land, and that no State Law of Federeal law which is "...Not in pursuance" of the Constitution, is not a law at all, according to the Constitution.

We would do better to educate our citizens to the fact that if we are to have a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people", then insurance the founders put in place to effect that, was the JUROR.

The Jury majority has the ability to over-ride a Judge Constitutionally, and here is why. No person in his right mind, or who was not simply completely ignorant of both the Constitution of the United States, and the Declaration of Independance would say to you, that one Government Employee, can over ride the wishes of The People, and still at the same time claim we are a "Government of the People, by the People, and for the People. Because if we are, at some point, in each and every branch of Government, the PEOPLE must have the ultimate say so.

In the Executive Branch, we can vote out a President, thus his Administration. In fact, we can impeach Federal Judges, and Supreme Court Justices if they fail to act "in good behavior" in performance of their duty.
In the Congress, we can vote out a Rep or Senator.

So why would not the Jury be the ultimate "check and balance" on the Judicial system if a Judge is not acting in good behavior in trial? In other words, it is not the Judge who should be telling the Jury what they can and cannot do. It is the Jury who should ultimately decide if a law is "Constitutional" by being "...in pursuance" of it.

[Tsoman]

The forth branch of government is the people, and our tool is the internet :)

[B964]

I think we need a fourth branch of government which does nothing but keeps the other three branches in check. You'd have to draw people for it by lottery to keep it uncorrupt though.


You mean a 5th, right? Dick is the 4th isn't he?