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green73
03-09-2013, 11:57 AM
An Arizona couple falsely accused of taking pornographic pictures of their three young daughters are suing Walmart in a bid to win damages after an horrific ordeal which they claim robbed them of precious time with their kids and cost them $75,000 in legal fees.

In 2008, Lisa and Anthony 'A.J.' Demaree took their three young daughters – then aged five, four and 18 months - on a trip to San Diego.

On returning home they took 144 photographs, mostly from their recent trip, to their local Walmart in Peoria, Arizona to have them developed.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/09/article-2290682-1888EA28000005DC-554_634x467.jpg

What happened next was the start of a nightmare for the Demarees.

A Walmart employee, unhappy over the content of several bath time pictures, contacted bosses with concerns that they may have been images of child pornography.

Instead of receiving a batch of happy memories of a fun family outing, the couple were reported to the police and their children were placed into the care of the Arizona Child Protective Services Agency.

‘It was a nightmare, it was unbelievable. I was in so much disbelief. I started to hyperventilate,’ Lisa Demaree told ABC News at the time.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/09/article-2290682-1888FDDC000005DC-748_634x477.jpg

It was a month before the girls were returned to their parents, after a Maricopa County Superior Court judge ruled the photographs were in fact harmless and a medical exam revealed no signs of sexual abuse.

The family was reunited but the damage had been done. The couple’s named went on a central registry of sex offenders, while Lisa was suspended from her job at a local school for a year while the investigation was under way.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290682/Walmart-Lisa-Anthony-Demaree-lost-custody-children-month-employee-called-police-bath-time-pictures.html

asurfaholic
03-09-2013, 12:24 PM
Jesus, i bet the medical exam was nothing less than traumatizing too. I hope the couple wins big.

youngbuck
03-09-2013, 01:09 PM
A Walmart employee, unhappy over the content of several bath time pictures, contacted bosses with concerns that they may have been images of child pornography.

Those people are obviously the ones that are f'ked in the head, seeing pedophilia under every rock... I hope they're all held accountable for their monumental stupidity.

MelissaWV
03-09-2013, 01:13 PM
The photos were so awful that they were published with the news story, with a crude white oval obscuring the most offensive part (their faces)?

Christian Liberty
03-09-2013, 01:16 PM
Not only should Wal Mart Employee be charged with perjury, but whoever took the kids should be charged with kidnapping. Innocent until proven guilty.

Barrex
03-09-2013, 01:41 PM
The photos were so awful that they were published with the news story, with a crude white oval obscuring the most offensive part (their faces)?

excellent point. That paper should be in huge trouble if state applies same standard.

amy31416
03-09-2013, 04:34 PM
Wow. My folks took pics that were far "worse."

NCGOPer_for_Paul
03-09-2013, 04:42 PM
Holy Mother of God!

I have pictures of my daughter in a bath at my sister's house with all of her kids watching their cousin on my Fedbook page.

This is insane!

MelissaWV
03-09-2013, 04:48 PM
There is a photo of me (age 2 or so?) and my bikini-clad older sister, and we're out on the cement floor of the screened porch which my mom was hosing off. I'm not wearing a top (again, 2 or so?). It's right up there on my wall as part of my "family tree." Weird to think an arrest could have resulted if dad took that now.

DGambler
03-09-2013, 05:07 PM
The zero tolerance philosophy at its finest.

Tinnuhana
03-09-2013, 05:13 PM
So what do those Walmart employees do about some of their customers in various states of undress?

Schifference
03-10-2013, 06:41 AM
What would this Liberty minded site do if all parents that have bath pictures of their children posted them here? Would they delete them for fear of offending Child pornography laws?

osan
03-10-2013, 06:51 AM
excellent point. That paper should be in huge trouble if state applies same standard.


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA...


Oh. You were serious.

pcosmar
03-10-2013, 07:30 AM
Again

This has happened several times.. Bath pictures,, Breastfeeding.. Baby and kids pictures. And folks busted,,and dragged through the system.

smh

Folks never learn.. if you are not doing anything wrong,, someone will think you are.. and will arrest you.
And will charge you for it.

:(
.

SeanTX
03-10-2013, 09:42 AM
Like so many other stories like this, it begins with some busybody calling the police. NEVER call the police !

Origanalist
03-10-2013, 09:46 AM
Like so many other stories like this, it begins with some busybody calling the police. NEVER call the police !

But those kids were naked! I always kept mine fully clothed when giving them a bath, it's disgusting I tell you.

Philhelm
03-10-2013, 11:45 AM
I had thought that for something to be considered pornographic required sexual acts being depicted on some form of media, and that simple nudity would not suffice. I guess this is what happense when the U.S. Supreme Court says that they cannot define "pornography" but will know it when they see it.

Grubb556
03-10-2013, 11:53 AM
Are they still on the registry ?

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
03-10-2013, 12:12 PM
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290682/Walmart-Lisa-Anthony-Demaree-lost-custody-children-month-employee-called-police-bath-time-pictures.html

This is a good example of how tyranny persecutes. As it is a natural law that mothers care for their children, fathers fight against tyranny, and both together live within their means, tyranny utilizes its media corporations, its intelligence agencies, and its police forces in finding anomalies to justify intervention. While the true government is mothers caring for children, fathers fighting tyranny, and both together living within their means, the tyrannical intervention, with this being a false government, causes persecution. In other words, even if the very earth was destroyed, the natural law, the true government, would still be the same: Mothers care for children, fathers fight against tyranny, and both together live within their means.

jclay2
03-10-2013, 01:30 PM
You would think one person in the chain of command would have called complete bs on this? Just one? Maybe the people that see pedophilia everywhere are themselves obsessed with it? Its like the closet gay guy making fun of anyone he can by calling them gay.

MelissaWV
03-10-2013, 01:47 PM
Playing Devil's Advocate, here, it is the cops/DCF that carry the most blame here. If we lived with an even slightly more just system, the cops would have looked at these photos they were called to investigate (and I use cops to mean DCF, too), and then at the WalMart associates, and then charged the employees with the false alarm.

presence
03-10-2013, 01:54 PM
Playing Devil's Advocate, here, it is the cops/DCF that carry the most blame here. If we lived with an even slightly more just system, the cops would have looked at these photos they were called to investigate (and I use cops to mean DCF, too), and then at the WalMart associates, and then charged the employees with the false alarm.




Examine patients promptly to minimize the loss of evidence...

tod evans
03-10-2013, 01:59 PM
I can't agree with the force of criminal law being brought to bear on any of those involved..

However the WM employee and all government employees involved should be immediately fired and held personally financially liable for any damages the children or their parents have or may incur due to this fiasco..

presence
03-10-2013, 02:08 PM
I can't agree with the force of criminal law being brought to bear on any of those involved..

However the WM employee and all government employees involved should be immediately fired and held personally financially liable for any damages the children or their parents have or may incur due to this fiasco..


Someone made a decision to have those kids sexually molested medically examined on scant evidence. But I suppose there is no harm in a state sexual molestation medical examination.

MelissaWV
03-10-2013, 02:11 PM
..

I am sure you think your response addresses my post in some way, but for the life of me I cannot understand how.

tod evans
03-10-2013, 02:17 PM
I can't place even a forced medical exam on par with molestation in my own mind..

I can see the kids being traumatized and think all of those responsible should be held financially liable..

No child is ever going to consent to any type of exam without coercion and if a parent refuses the state simply claims jurisdiction over the child and does what it wants anyway..

It's a shame what happened with this family, I think their most likely road to some type of recovery is through financial sanctions more-so than criminal...

presence
03-10-2013, 02:36 PM
I am sure you think your response addresses my post in some way, but for the life of me I cannot understand how.

maybe this is my internet autism acting up again... but I sense biting, tense, grrrr

wtf sorry





I've had bad experiences with forced state medical examinations, for one example see:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406452-RANT-Routine-Vaccine-and-Smoking-Screening-at-the-ER&p=4911501&viewfull=1#post4911501



You claimed it was the cops. All I am saying is the cops are just following orders and protocol... "we have to follow the law". So there is at least equal blame on the lawmaker.




It is my "conspiratorial belief" that forced state medical examinations and other forced medical actions are, or at least have the appearances of, elements of project monarch / mkultra. Everything is legal and proper... the cops are just aboard for the ride like the guards in the Stanford prison experiment.




Our laws could require absolute privacy in photo development and the technology is there to make it happen. Instead our laws seek to use photo deveopment, and er visits, and every other opportunity to gather little kids to the state molesters.




Now that we have your clothes I'll need for you to bend over so I can take the required swab.

MelissaWV
03-10-2013, 02:44 PM
What I said was that IN A BETTER SOCIETY the cops would not act that way. They would have responded, sure, and then looked at the "evidence" and been woefully unimpressed. It would not have gotten to an examination.

In the current see-something-say-something, though, it's not working.

kcchiefs6465
03-10-2013, 03:38 PM
It's hard for me to grasp how stupid some people are. The Walmart workers should at the least be fired. It doesn't seem that were malicious in their intent, just that they are too damn dumb to be trusted with such a complicated task like developing pictures.

Matt Collins
03-10-2013, 06:17 PM
One judge is famously quoted as saying "I can't define pornography, but I'll know it when I see it". :rolleyes:

Matt Collins
03-10-2013, 06:18 PM
I actually talked to someone who used to develop photos for Walgreens, before digital cameras were so prolific, and they told me that every store has a policy (and in some states its a law) that any negatives of questionable legality are to be turned over to law enforcement automatically.

opal
03-10-2013, 07:12 PM
geeze.. I'm in my 50s.. I know there are bath pics of me and my two younger sisters - also in their 50s now. I wonder what the statute of limitations is on this bull shit. Hell.. I think there are bathtub pics of both of my parents for gawd sakes.. and they were born in the 30s - it's a freekin tradition for some reason.

tangent4ronpaul
03-10-2013, 09:01 PM
So what do those Walmart employees do about some of their customers in various states of undress?

If the pics are hot, make copies for their personal collection!

It happens...

-t

Original_Intent
03-10-2013, 09:15 PM
Holy crap, I remember a picture my Mom took of me climbing into the tub that she had to put a star on because my two year old junk was showing.

Simply unbelievable.

cubical
03-10-2013, 10:08 PM
$75,000 in legal bills? What?!?

Nirvikalpa
03-10-2013, 10:11 PM
Why are adults sexualizing young children? Insane.

cubical
03-10-2013, 10:11 PM
And why are they not suing the state. I can see wal-mart being innocent. It was an incredible lack of judgement on their part, but they are awl mart. They have no power over us. The police who saw the photos and decided to take the kids from the parents should be fired.

EDIT: Ah I see they did. And they sued the city. Good for them. Did they win those cases?