Code Pink founder on RT discussing Rand's stand

[jct74]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTopGzJI1X8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTopGzJI1X8

[jct74]

also, Code Pink and friends stopped by Sen. Rand Paul's office on Thursday to deliver a 'filibuster survival kit', here are some pics:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BExj5QXCYAAdVvf.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEti_CzCMAEftwH.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEtqPAVCIAE-6nl.jpg:large

[AuH20]

That host doesn't like Rand Paul. Her name is eluding me at the moment. She also said Rand supported the 2013 version of the NDAA when it was far more complex than that.

[supermario21]

RT does some really shoddy reporting, to be honest.

[Natural Citizen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTopGzJI1X8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTopGzJI1X8

Good to see that there are actually nuts and bolts being discussed from some media platforms. Certainly isn't something I've seen from any of the other discussions on it from the many, many links to main stream media that are suddenly popping up all over the place here. Seems like they're all just riding the meme and ducking other outlying elements of the issue. Clever...

[AuH20]

RT does some really shoddy reporting, to be honest.

Medea Benjamin did an excellent job for the most part defending Rand from Abby's incorrect conclusions. She deserves praise.

[PursuePeace]

Medea Benjamin did an excellent job for the most part defending Rand from Abby's incorrect conclusions. She deserves praise.

Agreed.

[economics102]

Much respect to them, we need allies across the political spectrum.

[dannno]

So wait... Code Pink.....and Hot Air.. and Rush Limbaugh..

[Natural Citizen]

So wait... Code Pink.....and Hot Air.. and Rush Limbaugh..

Not that I'm overly supportive to Code Pink but to say they are just jumping on Rand's bandwagon is ludicrous. Here's a great discussion with Code Pink's spokesperson on the important elements of drone warfare and constitutionality that took place long before Rand made his historic stand and long before main stream jumped on Rand's coat tails (minimizing the issue, btw)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUposQuNCA&feature=player_embedded

[economics102]

Not that I'm overly supportive to Code Pink but to say they are just jumping on Rand's bandwagon is ludicrous. Here's a great discussion with Code Pink's spokesperson on the important elements of drone warfare and constitutionality that took place long before Rand made his historic stand and long before main stream jumped on it (minimizing the issue, btw)

I don't know much about Code Pink but Medea Benjamin certainly did an admirable job defending Rand in that video.

[Natural Citizen]

I don't know much about Code Pink but Medea Benjamin certainly did an admirable job defending Rand in that video.

Yep. Of course, she wouldn't even have had the opportunity had it not presented itself. Which I thought was interesting. I actually watch Breaking The Set (https://www.youtube.com/user/breakingtheset) often since it's now offered in the Philadelphia area comcast lineup and she does a great job of bringing into discussion the important issues you'll not ever in a million years get from the other bunch.

That initial discussion from the OP also covered many other topics during it's entirety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVo2wmLbEzU

EPISODE BREAKDOWN: On this episode of Breaking the Set, Abby Martin calls out FOX News for propagating themselves as the alternative to the 'mainstream media', highlighting statistics that show how FOX News viewers are less informed than those that watch no news at all. Abby then talks to Neil J. Donovan, executive director for the National Coalition for the Homeless, about the ongoing epidemic of homeless families and veterans on the streets. Abby then talks to political activist and co-founder of Code Pink, Medea Benjamin, about Rand Paul's epic filibuster against Jon Brennan's nomination as director of the CIA, and the impact of US done policies moving forward. BTS wraps up the show with a look at the 50 year long practice of water fluoridation in America, outlining adverse health effects and breaking the myth that it helps prevent tooth decay.

When people say that RT is known for "shoddy reporting", I'd have to default to the notion that they're just plain full of it. I know everyone is happy with the attention that Rand is getting (and lets not fool ourselves, that's the only reason we're seeing all of these msm links popping up here) but we cannot be so blind as to lose scope of the issue as some sort of barter with the FOX's and MSNBC's and CNN's and the like. The fact is that these platforms continue to marginalize the scope of the matter along the lines of just trying to get their brand elected and engage in using the filibuster as a meme for spinning the terms of controversy into the usual political narrative while forgetting about the notion that maybe it's still a good idea to think about trying to change the course of history like a wise old man once said.

But...I did put out a challenge in the O'Donnell thread for someone...anyone...to link to one...just one... critical discussion on it as we've been bombarded with the sudden popularity of linking to all of these main stream video clips that continue to marginalize the issue after Rand's stand on the floor. Op did, perhaps unknowingly, do that even if it was the same platform I used as an example of what discussion on it should actually entail so +rep for that.

[fr33]

Medea should take over that girl's show. They are both leftists but the elder there seems more intelligent.

[supermario21]

I like Fox News. They have been by far Rand's #1 platform. The only people pushing the uninformed meme are the leftist corporate media. Try watching MSNBC. Ed Schultz pretty much labeled Rand Paul a terrorist the other night for Pete's sake!

[thoughtomator]

I like Fox News. They have been by far Rand's #1 platform. The only people pushing the uninformed meme are the leftist corporate media. Try watching MSNBC. Ed Schultz pretty much labeled Rand Paul a terrorist the other night for Pete's sake!

Hate to burst your bubble but Fox News is also leftist corporate media, they just align with the Republican Left instead of the Democratic Left.

[supermario21]

Hate to burst your bubble but Fox News is also leftist corporate media, they just align with the Republican Left instead of the Democratic Left.

True, but they give our guys at least enough of a voice. Rand always on, the judge as well!

[anaconda]

The fact is lost on these two women that if Rand did not focus his complaint domestically then this surge of drone push back and resurgence of civil liberties would not have happened or been effective, nor drawn the widespread support that it did.

[AuH20]

Hate to burst your bubble but Fox News is also leftist corporate media, they just align with the Republican Left instead of the Democratic Left.

When the chips are down, Fox is pretty much untrustable. Agreed.

[Natural Citizen]

The fact is lost on these two women that if Rand did not focus his complaint domestically then this surge of drone push back and resurgence of civil liberties would not have happened or been effective, nor drawn the widespread support that it did.

No, I doubt that. They both give Rand credit for his stand. I think the best measurement of what is to be lost (and gained) in all of this remains to be seen as we look forward to scrutinizing who exactly from any of these platforms does and doesn't forget the scope of the issue in future discussions.

[Feeding the Abscess]

That host doesn't like Rand Paul. Her name is eluding me at the moment. She also said Rand supported the 2013 version of the NDAA when it was far more complex than that.

He voted for the senate version of NDAA before voting against final passage.

[AuH20]

He voted for the senate version of NDAA before voting against final passage.

After a key amendment was stripped:

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=667

[anaconda]

No, I doubt that. They both give Rand credit for his stand. I think the best measurement of what is to be lost (and gained) in all of this remains to be seen as we look forward to scrutinizing who exactly from any of these platforms does and doesn't forget the scope of the issue in future discussions.

Rand busted open the barn door. Now we can forge on towards the issue of the use of drones abroad.

[Natural Citizen]

That host doesn't like Rand Paul. Her name is eluding me at the moment. She also said Rand supported the 2013 version of the NDAA when it was far more complex than that.

Well. If we're maybe sharp enough to remove Rand from the narrative for a second, she did an excellent job of covering the NDAA itself. Which is something found few and far between from the rest of the bunch of characters that now flood the site praising the messenger for political reasons alone while avoiding the relevance of the message in scope.

Here's a good list of those discussions. https://www.youtube.com/user/breakingtheset/videos?query=ndaa

The thing is that we shouldn't just automatically assume folks don't like someone when they aren't as much hypnotized by the messenger as they are the actual message. That's not fair. We need to scrutinize our representatives. To not do so is reckless in my opinion. Sheepish. If we don't then they get to thinking we're easy brain dead pickins.

[Feeding the Abscess]

After a key amendment was stripped:

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=667

Doesn't matter, the NDAA still had a ton of odious crap in it. He had no business voting for it, flimsy amendment or not.

[AuH20]

Well. If we're maybe sharp enough to remove Rand from the narrative for a second, she did an excellent job of covering the NDAA itself. Which is simething found few and far between from the rest of the buch that now flood the site.

Here's a good list of those discussions. https://www.youtube.com/user/breakingtheset/videos?query=ndaa

The thing is that we shouldn't just automatically assume folks don't like sometone when they aren't as much hypnotized by the messenger as they are the actual message. We need to scrutinize our representatives. To not do so is reckless in my opinion. Sheepish.

I'm not arbitrarily attacking her without any evidence. She's made comments in the past sandbagging Rand Paul unfairly. Look, there are legitimate criticisms of Rand Paul and then there are attacks predominantly based on personal bias.

[Natural Citizen]

I'm not arbitrarily attacking her without any evidence. She's made comments in the past sandbagging Rand Paul unfairly. Look, there are legitimate criticisms of Rand Paul and then there are attacks predominantly based on personal bias.

I know you weren't. But I've seen threads around here turn into a complete load of hogwash if there is no interjection on the general direction they were headed which generally sets a bullshit narrative as if it were true and is left wide open for thousands of folks to just stumble over and blindly accept as reality when it's not. That's the only reason I even chimed in here. I think RT has done a much better job at discussing issues than main stream media otherwise and just didn't want to see that reality get lost. Danno made the the assumption that these folks in particular were jumping on the Randwagon with Rush and that group of vampires but the fact is that these are the folks who have been on top of the issues themselves while everyone else in the business was talking about silly stuff. Oscars, celebrities, meme themes and the like.

Essentially, I'm concerned more that all of the sudden rush to "support" Rand (the man, not the issues) from all of the current main stream folks being clipped all over the place now is more of a contest amongst themselves to be that voice who will both control the terms of controversy and get the demograph of support (blind as it may be). As I had mentioned here when the phenomenon first started with Glenn. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?405183-The-Blaze-Glenn-Beck-Rand-Paul-Ranked-6th-Most-Conservative-Senator&p=4887072&viewfull=1#post4887072

If you take the time to go through the threads you'll find a lot of so and so commentator says this and so and so commentator says that..so and so says whatever over and over again. And in listening to all of the so and so's I don't really hear a whole heck of a lot of anything relevant to scope. Sorry. I just don't. And it was the most predictable thing is what baffles the heck out of me. Cripes. We spend too much time looking for authority figures to represent us and our views inside media but we spend very little time actually scrutinizing the narratives as long as our guy's name gets spoken along the lines some place. It's nuts.

[amy31416]

Code Pink is not trustworthy or consistent--they supported various military expeditions in Afghanistan because it was "for the women and children."

Medea got called out for it and changed her stance....eventually. But when Hillary wants to kill, she's generally on board, and she's certainly quieter when Obama's doing the slaughtering than Cheney/Bush.

[rubioneocon]

So wait... Code Pink.....and Hot Air.. and Rush Limbaugh..
heck of a coalition eh danno ?

Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) . . . mentions Code Pink support / tweet for Stand with Rand

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/sencruz011f_zpscf2b1668.jpg




http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/filibuster01b_zpsc2a4d109.jpg


Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah)

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/senlee001x_zps6142c870.jpg


Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyoming)

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/senbarrasso001a_zps74b02582.jpg

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

I like Fox News. They have been by far Rand's #1 platform. The only people pushing the uninformed meme are the leftist corporate media. Try watching MSNBC. Ed Schultz pretty much labeled Rand Paul a terrorist the other night for Pete's sake!

Morning Joe is the only tolerable show on MSNBC. They were actually on Rand's side on this issue and blasted McCain/Graham for being douches.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzWvBTGd_T4

[supermario21]

Morning Joe is the only tolerable show on MSNBC. They were actually on Rand's side on this issue and blasted McCain/Graham for being douches.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzWvBTGd_T4

Yes but Joe is wishy-washy. One day he'll sound like a libertarian and the next he'll be pushing an assault weapons ban lashing out at right-wing extremists. But yes, he's better than any other show on that channel.

[anaconda]

Lindsey Graham sounded like Dana Carvey imitating Herbert Walker Bush.

Kudos to Colbert for poking fun at the never ending deceitful legal semantics behind constitution-twisting administration lawyers.

[rubioneocon]

. . . when Hillary wants to kill, she's generally on board, and she's certainly quieter when Obama's doing the slaughtering than Cheney/Bush.

Still, this will translate into support for Rand by much of the membership of Code Pink that would
rather vote for a true non-interventionist constitutionalist like Rand over Hilary on principle.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/codepinkrand003a_zpsb31c9a9e.jpg


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/fpfronpaul.jpg

[amy31416]

Still, this will translate into support for Rand by much of the membership of Code Pink that would
rather vote for a true non-interventionist constitutionalist like Rand over Hilary on principle.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/codepinkrand003a_zpsb31c9a9e.jpg


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/fpfronpaul.jpg

Wish that were true, but I'm too jaded to believe that. They'll be bleating about how "anti-women"/minorities he is, and that will be all you hear from them--and if Rand runs in 2016--anyone in their group who says otherwise will be shouted down. Things of substance almost never get discussed during a presidential campaign. And the neocons will be partially behind the smears and likely funding it.