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rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 02:41 PM
Why not . . . for the fun of it all after the epic
filibuster with citizen tweets being read in the halls of Congress . . .

what demographics could make a rock solid ticket . . .

that Governor from the deep South . . . Louisiana - is a real possibility he sounds smart imho.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/Bobby_Jindal_zps2d6844e2.jpg

AuH20
03-08-2013, 02:49 PM
The Jindal people do not like Rand Paul. There has been a few rumblings from that camp.

NY-Dano
03-08-2013, 02:51 PM
Ted Cruz

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 02:56 PM
Why not . . . for the fun of it all after the epic
filibuster with citizen tweets being read in the halls of Congress . . .

what demographics could make a rock solid ticket . . .

that Governor from the deep South . . . Louisiana - is a real possibility he sounds smart imho.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/Bobby_Jindal_zps2d6844e2.jpg
Let me be succinct; No.

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 02:56 PM
Ted Cruz

obviously except for one detail . . .
cant be President or Vice-President . . . born in Alberta, Canada fyi

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 02:59 PM
The Jindal people do not like Rand Paul. There has been a few rumblings from that camp.

I know Jindal crowd expects to be going at Rand in the 2016 debates . . .
but we may need both camps to beat Joe Biden imho.

ex-Secretary of State doesnt have a tiny rats arse chance to be Rand's general election Dimocrat opponent imho

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/hilary005bc_zps5e862f6a.jpg

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 03:04 PM
I know Jindal crowd expects to be going at Rand in the 2016 debates . . .
but we may need both camps to beat Joe Biden imho.

ex-Secretary of State doesnt have a tiny rats arse chance to be Rand's general election Dimocrat opponent imho

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/hilary005bc_zps5e862f6a.jpg
Hillary could do armpit farts into the microphone as her debate answers and still win. If she wants the nomination, it's hers.

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 03:05 PM
Hillary could do armpit farts into the microphone as her debate answers and still win. If she wants the nomination, it's hers.
awwe shit . . . LOL I DONT really want to even image THAT.

whoisjohngalt
03-08-2013, 03:06 PM
obviously except for one detail . . .
cant be President or Vice-President . . . born in Alberta, Canada fyi

I'm pretty sure he was born a citizen of the United States as I know his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth and I think his father was. Broad interpretation of natural born has been applied in the past. McCain was born in Panama. George Romney was born in Mexico. So long as he was born a citizen of the United States, he would be eligible regardless of where he was born.

jbauer
03-08-2013, 03:07 PM
Hillary could do armpit farts into the microphone as her debate answers and still win. If she wants the nomination, it's hers.

Yep, and I don't want Rand to run against her. I think she could kill babies on live tv and still win the election. I best hope is that this bengazi thing keeps going or a health concern.

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 03:08 PM
I'm pretty sure he was born a citizen of the United States as I know his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth and I think his father was. Broad interpretation of natural born has been applied in the past. McCain was born in Panama. George Romney was born in Mexico. So long as he was born a citizen of the United States, he would be eligible regardless of where he was born.

OK I dont want to get into something like that over Cruz really.

Both McCain and Cruz were born as citizens because of lineage, but however archaic it may be,
the wording of the Constitution remains as does the intent of the first commander in chief and the first Chief Justice of the USA -
Washington and Jay respectively.

Neither McCain or Cruz are natural born citizens . . . and no declaration or resolution can change that fact.

For about half of the constitutional convention in the summer of 1787, the same natural born ( and the US Supreme Court has ruled that means native born)
requirement was included for Senators. But in mid August, 1787 they slackened the Senator requirement because of a delegate from Pennsylvania,
James Wilson who was born in Carskerdo, Fife, Scotland who they thought was a genius that should not be excluded from the new United States Senate.

So technically, without any other subsequent changes Wilson made Senators like Mcshame and Cruz opportunity sorta.

included

It is a fact John McCain was certainly not even eligible to become President.

jbauer
03-08-2013, 03:08 PM
Ted Cruz

We're not going to be able to take someone exactly like Rand. We need to diversify some how.

whoisjohngalt
03-08-2013, 03:14 PM
OK I dont want to get into something like that over Cruz really.

It is a fact John McCain was certainly not even eligible to become President.

McCain, having been born in the (Panama) Canal Zone, if elected would have become the first president who was born outside the current 50 states. This raised a potential legal issue, since the United States Constitution requires the president to be a natural-born citizen of the United States. A bipartisan legal review[213] and a unanimous but non-binding Senate resolution[214] both concluded that he is a natural-born citizen.

The Senate and the team used for the bipartisan legal review disagree with your assessment. Your not approving probably isn't enough to stop someone from ascending to the office.

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 03:16 PM
Yep, and I don't want Rand to run against her. I think she could kill babies on live tv and still win the election. I best hope is that this bengazi thing keeps going or a health concern.
I think there's a very short list that could beat her. Rand tops that list. He made her look foolish and incompetent during the hearing. Imagine what Rand could do with a full hour and a hundred million dollar campaign behind him.

TaftFan
03-08-2013, 03:23 PM
My shortlist:

Raul Labrador
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Amash would be my number 1 choice, unfortunately while legally eligible he will be perceived as too young and inexperienced.

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 03:23 PM
A bipartisan legal review[213] and a unanimous but non-binding Senate resolution[214] both concluded that he is a natural-born citizen.

The Senate and the team used for the bipartisan legal review disagree with your assessment. Your not approving probably isn't enough to stop someone from ascending to the office.

Not true.

Those authorities can NOT usurp the US Constitution, especially that Senate resolution.
The 100 Senators can not declare someone born in a Panama hospital, as a natural born citizen
according to the full intent of that historic letter John Jay wrote to George Washington in the early July of 1787.

This is a no-brainer when the full facts are presented.

Anyhoo, Cruz was born in Alberta Canada.

A great cinstitutional lawyer like Cruz would be a perfect fit . . .- but he just cant.
albeit with a Navy doctor signing the birth certificate

whoisjohngalt
03-08-2013, 03:30 PM
Not true. Those authorities can NOT usurp the US Constitution

Free speech zones, gun grabs and bans, blatant violations of the fourth and fifth amendments. The Constituion was usurped long ago. No one obeys it. Your viewpoint seems a bit idealistic.

Anyway, the natural born law is antiquated and xenophobic. It should be done away with.

presence
03-08-2013, 03:34 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?361996-Comprehensive-List-of-Potential-VP-s-for-Top-5-Candidates&highlight=Comprehensive+list

I kept this thread up during RonPaul2012:



Comprehensive List of Potential VP's for Top 5 Candidates
Note to add... we had Paul Ryan collectively picked 1st for Romney sometime before 4/30/12

RON PAUL
Andrew Napolitano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Napolitano), Former New Jersey Superior Court Judge

Hinted by Ron:
4/25/12 (http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/news/republican-ron-paul-continues-texas-tour-stopping-/nMh4c/)(VERY SINCERE THIS TIME, watch video)
2/19/12 (http://lemonglobalnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/paulnapolitano-ticket.html)
6/17/11 (http://www.thestreet.com/story/11157087/1/ron-pauls-vp-propsect.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEN)


(Tier One)
Rand Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_paul), Senator Kentucky
Jim DeMint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_DeMint), Senator South Carolina
Gary Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson), Governor of New Mexico


(Tier Two)
Mark Sanford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford), Former Governor South Carolina
William "Fox" Fallon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Fallon), Retired 4 star Admiral US Navy
Chuck Baldwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Baldwin), Presidential Candidate 2008, Constitutional Party
Michael F. Scheuer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer), Former CIA Intelligence Officer
Pat Buchanan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan), Senior Advisor to Reagan, Nixon, and Ford
Mike Lee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lee_%28U.S._politician%29), Senator Utah
Tom Davis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Davis_%28South_Carolina_politician%29), Senator South Carolina
Jim Forsythe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Forsythe), New Hampshire Senator
Andy Sanborn, New Hampshire Senator
Doug French (http://mises.org/daily/author/627/Doug-French), President of the Mises Institute
Barry Goldwater Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater,_Jr.), Former Congressman California '69-'83

(Often mentioned in Internet Buzz but unlikely, given above choices)

"mentioned but largely dismissed"

Wayne Allyn Root, former VP Nominee for Libertarian Party
Doug Wead, Senior RP2012 Campaign Advisor, Presidential Historian
Bruce Fein, Constututional/International Lawyer
Douglas Macgregor, Retired U.S. Army Colonel
Walter Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_E._Williams), economist, commentator, and academic
John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods
Dennis Kucinich, Congressman (D) Ohio
Peter Schiff, Economist
Jim Grant, former Barron’s columnist
Andre Marrou, Former Libertarian VP Candidate
Robert Murphy, Austrian Economist
Jesse Ventura, Former Governor of Minnesota
Jon Stewart, Political Satirist
Steven Colbert, Political Satirist
Lew Rockwell, Chairman of the Mises Institute
John Stossel, Libertarian Investigative Journalist FOX/ABC
Raul Labrador Hispanic, Mormon congressman from Idaho
Brian Schweitzer, Governor Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Schweitzer)
Marco Rubio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Rubio), U.S. Senator from Florida
Mitt Romney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney), Businessman / Venture Capitalist, 2012 Presidential Candidate

MITT ROMNEY

(Tier One)
Paul Ryan, Congressman Wisconsin
Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey
Tim Pawlenty, Governor of Minnesota
Ron Paul, Congressman Texas, 2012 Presidential Candidate
Marco Rubio, Senator Florida
Nikki Haley, Governer South Carolina
John Thune, Senator South Dakota
Rob Portman, Senator from Ohio
Bob McDonnell, Governor of Virginia

(Tier Two)
David Petraeus, General, Director of CIA
Tom Coburn, Senator Oklahoma
Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire Senator
Rick Santorum, Senator Pennsylvania, 2012 Presidential Candidate
Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana
Newt Gingrich, Former Speaker of the House, 2012 Presidential Candidate
John McCain, Senator Arizona
Jeb Bush, Former Governor of Florida
Condoleezza Rice, Former Secretary of State

Mitch Daniels, Governor of Indiana - DECLINED CONSIDERATION

NEWT GINGRICH

Marco Rubio, U.S. Senator from Florida

Sarah Palin, Former Governor of Alaska
Mike Huckabee, Former Governor of Arkansas and 2008 Presidential Candidate
Andrew Cuomo, Governer of New York
Michele Bachmann, Congressman Minnesota, Former 2012 Presidential Candidate
Thomas Sowell, Professor / Economist


BARACK OBAMA


Joe Biden, Current Vice President
Elizabeth Warren, Advisor to Secretary of Treasury
Deval Patrick

Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State "That is not going to happen" (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/18/clinton-on-being-obamas-vp-not-going-to-happen/)

OTHER

Rick Perry OUT
Herman Cain OUT
Jon Huntsman OUT
Rick Santorum OUT


---------------------------

To create each list I ran a search for "ron paul vice president", "mitt romney vice president", etc. and read through the first 10 pages or so of results. I also scanned some comments on a similar youtube search. I have also updated the OP many times on your input. In short, this is a report on the overall Internet VP buzz.

A few things I noticed when I was writing this... I couldn't think of or find too many for Santorum, he's kind of a lone wolf; feel free to chime in. Ron Paul and Romney have a lot of options. Gingrich and Obama... not so many. Truthfully I can't see either Gingrich or Santorum pulling together a real ticket. And former candidates Perry, Cain, and Huntsman I just can't see behind any of the frontrunners. Rubio on the other hand... has a ticket in any Republican campaign with his Florida swing. Finally, Paul seems to have the best list of options. After this bit of research, it really seems like a three way race between Romney, Paul, and Obama.

If you have any to add, or think I should make changes, let me know and I'll edit the OP. I tried to create some sense of "order of likelihood" which I'm also open to suggestions on.

Your thoughts?

presence

ps... consider this list in a constant state of flux. I'll be using your opinions to add, update, and rearrange. So give good reason, and links if you have them. (I'm working right now top-down to hyperlink each veep to wikipedia, if someone wanted to help me from the bottom up, much appreciated)






Maybe Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. for Homeland Security Chief?


http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/The-Conversation/2013/01/30/Sheriff-Clarkejpg.jpg

acptulsa
03-08-2013, 03:35 PM
Free speech zones, gun grabs and bans, blatant violations of the fourth and fifth amendments. The Constituion was usurped long ago. No one obeys it. Your viewpoint seems a bit idealistic.

Anyway, the natural born law is antiquated and xenophobic. It should be done away with.

Well, we are Constitutionalists. So, we'd have to amend the Constitution We had better get busy, hadn't we?

Lacking that, who knows something about Susana Martinez? And does anyone know anything about Eddie Calvo, governor of Guam? He could be an interesting choice as well.

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 04:03 PM
An articulate woman would take some of the wind out of Hillary's sails.

presence
03-08-2013, 04:13 PM
An articulate woman would take some of the wind out of Hillary's sails.

Let me stack some names on that thought... feel free to shout NO... just brainstorming; I don't know alot about these people. Just pulling keywords together.

Karen Kwaitkowski,
Tisha Casida
Jenn Coffey
Ashley Ryan
Emily O'Neill
Nena Bartlett
Julie Borowski
Bonnie Kristian
Corie Whalen
Piyali Bhattacharya
Jenny Worman
Juliet Annerino


Most of these names are "associated with the liberty movement" I don't believe any of them are VP material... raw "female liberty" brainstorming... but perhaps they will connect to someone who is?

Thoughts anyway.

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 04:22 PM
An articulate woman would take some of the wind out of Hillary's sails.

I wouldn't be the first person in the world to suggest Condi Rice on the team as unbeatable for all sorts of reasons.
I think Bush43 would give her a very good letter of reference for the post.

She would be hard to convince . . . maybe, probably.

Mr.NoSmile
03-08-2013, 04:24 PM
Let me stack some names on that thought... feel free to shout NO... just brainstorming; I don't know alot about these people. Just pulling keywords together.
Ashley Ryan


No, no, no. She is not 35 years old, has little to no national exposure outside of maybe the 2012 RNC. I'm guessing very little foreign policy experience. Clinton would demolish her, no question. And should Rand die, she would be president. And would still be only in her 20s.

jllundqu
03-08-2013, 04:26 PM
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/Bobby_Jindal_zps2d6844e2.jpg[/QUOTE]


Fuck this guy^^^

jllundqu
03-08-2013, 04:27 PM
No question... The Judge!

supermario21
03-08-2013, 04:32 PM
He'd be a great AG or Supreme Court appointee!

acptulsa
03-08-2013, 04:32 PM
Julie Borowski
..

No, no, no. She is not 35 years old, has little to no national exposure outside of Youtube. I'm guessing very little foreign policy experience. Clinton would demolish her, no question. And should Rand die, she would be president. And would still be only in her 20s (which would be unconstitutional and therefore would make it unconstitutional for Rand to pick her)

whoisjohngalt
03-08-2013, 04:33 PM
No, no, no. She is not 35 years old, has little to no national exposure outside of maybe the 2012 RNC. I'm guessing very little foreign policy experience. Clinton would demolish her, no question. And should Rand die, she would be president. And would still be only in her 20s.

This is true of every name on the list that I recognize. Made me laugh though. I posted it on Corie's fb page... this wasn't a joke?

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 04:35 PM
Let me stack some names on that thought... feel free to shout NO... just brainstorming; I don't know alot about these people. Just pulling keywords together.

Karen Kwaitkowski,
Tisha Casida
Jenn Coffey
Ashley Ryan
Emily O'Neill
Nena Bartlett
Julie Borowski
Bonnie Kristian
Corie Whalen
Piyali Bhattacharya
Jenny Worman
Juliet Annerino
The only woman I'd shout NO to would be Condi Rice. Way too much baggage with her.

Liberty74
03-08-2013, 04:39 PM
Rand Paul/Ted Cruz 2016 for a strong Republican ticket that would have a chance at CA.

I'm still hoping Judge NAP runs Indy :p

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 04:41 PM
I wouldn't be the first person in the world to suggest Condi Rice on the team as unbeatable for all sorts of reasons.
I think Bush43 would give her a very good letter of reference for the post.

She would be hard to convince . . . maybe, probably.
I've read reports where she was somewhat clueless on areas that should be her expertise. I think Michael Scheuer wrote about that if I remember correctly. Not to mention her Bush baggage and I don't think she aligns with us philosophically on interventionism abroad. That's three strikes before the game even began.

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 04:44 PM
He'd be a great AG or Supreme Court appointee!
I think only these two positions would tempt Napolitano. Beyond that, he really enjoys being an analyst/educator on tv.

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 04:46 PM
I've never been more desperate for a vibrant, articulate, ethnic woman in my life.

presence
03-08-2013, 04:47 PM
I guess I was moreso posting the list as a brainstorming list... something we might find connections; mentors, etc from. Female/Liberty powerhitters are not exactly abundant, so I was starting somewhere. I don't expect any on that list are actually VP, but they are public female personalities in the liberty movement.

Who's on their linked-in page was moreso my thought.

The more I think about it... a female VP for Rand is a tough challenge. Might be one of these situations where affirmative action is the wrong action.

acptulsa
03-08-2013, 04:47 PM
I wouldn't be the first person in the world to suggest Condi Rice on the team as unbeatable for all sorts of reasons.
I think Bush43 would give her a very good letter of reference for the post.

She would be hard to convince . . . maybe, probably.

She would be hard to convince?

We would be hard to convince. As far as we're concerned, the name of this game is to come up with a running mate that makes the Powers That Be not want to shoot our man. Condi's about as willing a tool as they've ever had.

mad cow
03-08-2013, 04:49 PM
Susana Martinez...Woman,Hispanic,Republican,Governor.

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 04:50 PM
The only woman I'd shout NO to would be Condi Rice. Way too much baggage with her.

and without the baggage of a husband btw . . . bad news for Parah Salin

acptulsa
03-08-2013, 04:51 PM
Susana Martinez...Woman,Hispanic,Republican,Governor.

Yeah, I mentioned her earlier. Know anything about her? Is she in any way trustworthy?

Hell, Mary Fallon is three of those four things, but I can attest that you can't trust her any farther than you can throw her...

whoisjohngalt
03-08-2013, 05:05 PM
This thread is giving me deja vu

mad cow
03-08-2013, 05:05 PM
Yeah, I mentioned her earlier. Know anything about her? Is she in any way trustworthy?

Hell, Mary Fallon is three of those four things, but I can attest that you can't trust her any farther than you can throw her...

No,I don't but I will try to learn more.On a previous 'who should Rand's VP pick be' thread,I said my only criterion was who could help him get elected President the most.
That hasn't changed,not a bit.It is much more important than the potential VP's ideology.Him winning with someone I hate beats him losing with someone I love.

AuH20
03-08-2013, 05:06 PM
Susana Martinez...Woman,Hispanic,Republican,Governor.

She may cave on gun control in her state. I'm wary of her.

supermario21
03-08-2013, 05:08 PM
Scott Walker.

dannno
03-08-2013, 05:10 PM
Let me stack some names on that thought... feel free to shout NO... just brainstorming; I don't know alot about these people. Just pulling keywords together.

Karen Kwaitkowski,
Tisha Casida
Jenn Coffey
Ashley Ryan
Emily O'Neill
Nena Bartlett
Julie Borowski
Bonnie Kristian
Corie Whalen
Piyali Bhattacharya
Jenny Worman
Juliet Annerino


Most of these names are "associated with the liberty movement" I don't believe any of them are VP material... raw "female liberty" brainstorming... but perhaps they will connect to someone who is?

Thoughts anyway.


How about Carol Paul, or hell, why not Ron?

presence
03-08-2013, 05:12 PM
Condi is a liberty fail. Foreign policy fail. War on terror fail. 9/11 fail.

Establishment, neocon, smiling puppet; would not be surprised if she was an abused, controlled CIA MKultra victim... In that regard, I'm sorry for her.

I couldn't support any ticket with condi on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_0_kmEl060

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2uqTYQzwkE


keyword: 17 iraqi civilian blackwater pardon

fail
yuck
blah

jmdrake
03-08-2013, 05:14 PM
Okay everyone. Repeat after me.

You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......

jmdrake
03-08-2013, 05:17 PM
I've read reports where she was somewhat clueless on areas that should be her expertise. I think Michael Scheuer wrote about that if I remember correctly. Not to mention her Bush baggage and I don't think she aligns with us philosophically on interventionism abroad. That's three strikes before the game even began.

She was either clueless or lying when she said "Nobody considered the idea that airplanes might be used as flying bombs." Obviously whoever was war gaming that very scenario on 9/11 had thought about it. Plus World War II and kamikaze pilots? Hello?

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 05:30 PM
She may cave on gun control in her state. I'm wary of her.
Crap she was topping my list.

erowe1
03-08-2013, 05:43 PM
OK I dont want to get into something like that over Cruz really.

Both McCain and Cruz were born as citizens because of lineage, but however archaic it may be,
the wording of the Constitution remains as does the intent of the first commander in chief and the first Chief Justice of the USA -
Washington and Jay respectively.

Neither McCain or Cruz are natural born citizens . . . and no declaration or resolution can change that fact.

For about half of the constitutional convention in the summer of 1787, the same natural born ( and the US Supreme Court has ruled that means native born)
requirement was included for Senators. But in mid August, 1787 they slackened the Senator requirement because of a delegate from Pennsylvania,
James Wilson who was born in Carskerdo, Fife, Scotland who they thought was a genius that should not be excluded from the new United States Senate.

So technically, without any other subsequent changes Wilson made Senators like Mcshame and Cruz opportunity sorta.

included

It is a fact John McCain was certainly not even eligible to become President.

A natural-born citizen is anyone who has been a citizen since the time of their birth. It meant that in 1787 and it means that now. If Cruz was born in Canada as a US citizen, then he is a natural-born citizen.

mello
03-08-2013, 05:43 PM
Eva Mendez?

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 05:48 PM
This thread is giving me deja vu

Oh no . . . you just pushed the button to really get me going . . .
but not Parah Sailin'

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/PalinBus.jpg

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 05:49 PM
A natural-born citizen is anyone who has been a citizen since the time of their birth. It meant that in 1787 and it means that now. If Cruz was born in Canada as a US citizen, then he is a natural-born citizen.
He definitely in no way is not . . .
do you need the Supreme Court case and other case law ?

That is all bullsheet you got fed from the McCain establishment and it is plain wrong.

erowe1
03-08-2013, 05:54 PM
He definitely in no way is not . . .

That is correct.



do you need the Supreme Court case and other case law ?

Supreme Court? What do they have to do with anything? We're talking about the meaning of a term. Check "natural born" in the Oxford English Dictionary.

mad cow
03-08-2013, 06:00 PM
Eva Mendez?
J-Lo?

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 06:23 PM
How about Carol Paul, or hell, why not Ron?

Yeah . . . of course, but . . .
Rand needs to win the election with something different . . . and all this brainstorming is great.
Dont be shy anybuddy.

Any single ( no husband baggage - no hockey mom bafggage) Californian Stanford University professors with National Security Council experience available ?

Article V
03-08-2013, 06:51 PM
Okay everyone. Repeat after me.

You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......^Good advice.

I'm also really offended by the people in this thread who are promoting someone as VP due to their race and/or gender. THIS IS THE LOGIC OF PROGRESSIVES! The establishment of both sides promotes people who are unqualified purely because of their race/gender. We don't need a woman VP; we need a good VP--if she happens to be a woman then great, but being a woman is not a talent that makes one a good VP. Likewise, we don't need a minority VP (black, Hispanic, etc.); we need a good VP--if that VP happens to be a minority then great, but being a minority candidate is not a talent that makes one a good VP.

Jindal will definitely run for Prez in 2016. Considering him as a VP has to wait until late in the primary after his national pull is known and his relationship with Rand has settled.

Jeb Bush is likely going to run in 2016 and will likely ally with Jindal if one of them falters. For that reason, I put him in the same camp and rational for VP as Jindal.

Chris Christie would not be a good VP to anyone (and he's said as much).

Marco Rubio likely has none of the effectiveness the establishment suspects. The media and establishment only promote him because he's from Florida and Cuban. If Marco Rubio's name were Joe Smith from Kansas, no one would pay attention to him; this isn't a good sign that he will be effective as a VP! And Rubio's latest water-drinking awkwardness exposed his insecurity and inexperience on a national stage. The guy just isn't prepared and likely won't be by 2016. Lets not fall into the media establishment's trap of thinking Rubio matters; he really doesn't. And Mexicans (the largest block of Hispanic voters) don't identify with Cubans (which is what Rubio is).

Jim Demint would be good because he's a respected statesman who respects the libertarian-wing of the GOP and his election wouldn't leave a vacancy in the Senate (unlike Mike Lee or others who are sorely needed in the Senate--seriously, do you guys want ALL our best friends out of the legislative branch?!). Jim Demint would also be a good VP because his presence would rally traditional conservatives, and Rand could begin unofficial talks with him early in the primary so Demint could help Rand secure the all-important South Carolina primary early in the race.

Judge Napolitano would obviously be a good VP and good national spokesman, plus he could easily move to the Supreme Court later. He'd also be a great Attorney General.

Palin won't be chosen; she's too much kryptonite for liberals or the MSM to accept on a national ticket.

Ron Paul would be a political redundancy and would likely spur talk of irresponsibility on Rand's part since the media would never believe a grieving father could serve as President in the event of Rand's death. Ron will already campaign hard for Rand (ergo, no bonus as VP campaigner) and would likely be better in the Cabinet overseeing the Treasury or overseeing the Federal Reserve (which are two jobs Ron would far more enjoy than VP).

Mark Sanford in the wake of his marital scandal needs to re-prove himself in his own state before he can be anyone's VP. He may be a good member of a Rand Cabinet; he's just not ready to be VP in 2016.

Mitch Daniels would be a decent choice; but unless his wife has changed her mind about things, he'll likely decline a VP nod. Ergo, no point in discussing for now.

Condolezza Rice = too much Bush baggage without the name recognition (at least for the politically ignorant) of a Bush. Choosing Rice would appear like feminist pandering and would likely promote Hillary as President because: why would a feminist want to vote for VP when she can vote for President? No, Rice brings Bush baggage and highlights weaknesses instead of shoring them up. Pass.

Colin Powell has upset the conservative base and therefore is not the best asset for rallying that base.

David Petraeus = sex scandal. No one would be able to talk about anything else come VP time.

Herman Cain = don't make me laugh + sex scandals.

I think most of the other names that might get tossed around are either obvious "no"'s (McCain and Santorum, for example) or are obvious too-early-to-tell's (Susana Martinez and Kelly Ayote, for example).

All that said, I think it's good to reiterate the advice of jmdrake:
Okay everyone. Repeat after me.

You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 06:54 PM
That is correct.



Supreme Court? What do they have to do with anything? We're talking about the meaning of a term. Check "natural born" in the Oxford English Dictionary.

Because the Supreme Court of the United States HAS unequivocally defined the meaning of natural born citizen for all of us
- already settled as the law of the land on the definition of that . . . DONE
Clear ? I hope it is crystal clear fer ya'

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 07:02 PM
Okay everyone. Repeat after me.

You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......

never say never . . . the dynamics need to change and the old goat way of thinking does NOT I repeat NOT need to be applied
unless it is another loss for liberty you seek.

So . . . brainstorming Rand 2016 VP ideas,
only reject those who say never think about this in advance That is STUPID, and yet at tha same time the names
being tossed around . . .well, none are at all stupid for brainstorming / thinking outside the box.

It is none of ours decision anyway. Have fun everybuddy!

So . . .


Why not . . . for the fun of it all after the epic
filibuster with citizen tweets being read in the halls of Congress . . .

. . .

anaconda
03-08-2013, 07:07 PM
The Jindal people do not like Rand Paul. There has been a few rumblings from that camp.

Jindal is like McCain and Graham.

AuH20
03-08-2013, 07:10 PM
Jindal is like McCain and Graham.

That's why I'd rather see Rand as the stalking horse heading into the primaries. Let Rubio be the favorite heading into 2015 because I have a strong suspicion that Jeb Bush, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum and Marco Rubio will collude to take Rand Paul down, if he is the prohibitive favorite.

cindy25
03-08-2013, 07:35 PM
the most likely Dem will be Corey Booker; they are already setting up a safe senate seat for him in 2014, and he is a media darling.

he starts the race with 30% (the black Dem primary vote).

Rand could pick either Raul Labrador or Justin Amash if they win their 2014 Gov/sen races

Rubio won't run in 2016, he will give way to Jeb

rubioneocon
03-08-2013, 07:37 PM
All that said, I think it's good to reiterate the advice of jmdrake:


after All that said then you, nobuddy else should consider Rand 2016 VP brainstorming . . .

You make all the points you need to, but look Article V there is no reason for . . .
a.) you to discourage anybuddy from any idea here, and
b.) for you to suggest you know why a person would suggest what they suggest.

Frankly I do not care what Rand's potential VP skin color may be or what is or is not hanging or whatever between their legs . . .
I would care how they could get our guy past some of the barriers that he would face against a Biden/H.Clinton or H.Clinton/Biden (just as two fer' examples)

Really, have a beer tonight after a great week for Rand and a libertarian constitutionalist Republican as he called himself on Hannity radio earlier this evening . . .
or a blunt or spliff or pinner or a glass of wine or whatever you want to do (maybe somebuddy will hit on a great choice . . . it IS a brainstorming
we are all at different levels of knowing these politicians anyway.

Have fun everybuddy . . . Peace.

Maybe Ralph Nader . . . ? naaah I changed my mind but do check this out Rejecting McCain with RP and Nader . . . good stuff

(youtube link on edit in a minute)

erowe1
03-08-2013, 08:39 PM
Because the Supreme Court of the United States HAS unequivocally defined the meaning of natural born citizen for all of us
- already settled as the law of the land on the definition of that . . . DONE
Clear ? I hope it is crystal clear fer ya'

So you're saying that the law of the land has a different definition of "natural born" than the actual definition that the phrase meant when the Constitution was written and still means today. And the definition that would obtain in real life would be this wrong, law of the land definition.

I gather then that you think that if McCain had won the election in 2008 he would have somehow been prevented from taking office by this "law of the land"?

Article V
03-09-2013, 01:44 PM
after All that said then you, nobuddy else should consider Rand 2016 VP brainstorming . . .

You make all the points you need to, but look Article V there is no reason for . . .
a.) you to discourage anybuddy from any idea here, and
b.) for you to suggest you know why a person would suggest what they suggest.

Frankly I do not care what Rand's potential VP skin color may be or what is or is not hanging or whatever between their legs . . .
I would care how they could get our guy past some of the barriers that he would face against a Biden/H.Clinton or H.Clinton/Biden (just as two fer' examples)

Really, have a beer tonight after a great week for Rand and a libertarian constitutionalist Republican as he called himself on Hannity radio earlier this evening . . .
or a blunt or spliff or pinner or a glass of wine or whatever you want to do (maybe somebuddy will hit on a great choice . . . it IS a brainstorming
we are all at different levels of knowing these politicians anyway.

Have fun everybuddy . . . Peace.

Maybe Ralph Nader . . . ? naaah I changed my mind but do check this out Rejecting McCain with RP and Nader . . . good stuff

(youtube link on edit in a minute)A) I said jmdrake gave good advice and that it was worth repeating both before and after any brainstorming. I didn't say we shouldn't brainstorm; I was more highlighting the good advice that the larger picture needs to be kept in mind rather than the nuts/bolts. Fact is, all our brainstorming may be moot because all facts about each of the candidates may have an entirely different context after the nomination is secured, which is why it's good advice and worthy of repetition not to consider VPs until later on. (A secondary reason is that any brainstorming may be irrelevant if the nomination itself isn't won; but for me this is far down on the list of reasons why jmdrake's advice is sound.)


B) I didn't suggest why people were suggesting some VPs; they did. Many people have said, so-and-so is a woman, so-and-so is Hispanic without saying much else; ergo, they're suggesting that someone is a strong contender for VP because of their race/gender (i.e. racist/sexist, progressive, play-on-peoples'-bias logic). I find that offensive and I have a right to say as much. In my opinion, if a person can't recommend a VP candidate without talking about their race/gender, then that candidate isn't strong enough to be a good VP; ergo, those candidates should be knocked from contention, or we should do some more digging as to why they may be good VPs (outside of their physical attributes) before we consider them in sincerity.

NOVALibertarian
03-09-2013, 01:59 PM
Ted Cruz
Ted Cruz
Ted Cruz

jmdrake
03-09-2013, 02:18 PM
never say never . . . the dynamics need to change and the old goat way of thinking does NOT I repeat NOT need to be applied
unless it is another loss for liberty you seek.

So . . . brainstorming Rand 2016 VP ideas,
only reject those who say never think about this in advance That is STUPID, and yet at tha same time the names
being tossed around . . .well, none are at all stupid for brainstorming / thinking outside the box.


:rolleyes: Thinking "inside the box" of what didn't work in 2008 and what didn't work in 2012 isn't the way to win. But hey, stay inside your box. We had zillions of threads on "Let's pick the VP" and not a single primary win. Picking a VP early would simply give other candidates a stronger incentive to go scorched earth (after all, they won't be on the ticket anyway) and the media another target to shoot down prematurely. It's the stupidest thing we do, but those of use who point out the truth are the ones called "stupid" by those who love wasting time with this crap. Enjoy yourself. Go sign wave when you get finished.

itshappening
03-09-2013, 02:20 PM
Ted Cruz does nothing for the ticket.

I still maintain Walker is the best bet for all the obvious reasons but mainly it helps put a state like in WI in play.

Indeed he would be the only logical choice in my view (unless someone emerges) and will probably get the spot whoever is the nominee

Canderson
03-09-2013, 02:26 PM
Let me stack some names on that thought... feel free to shout NO... just brainstorming; I don't know alot about these people. Just pulling keywords together.

Karen Kwaitkowski,
Tisha Casida
Jenn Coffey
Ashley Ryan
Emily O'Neill
Nena Bartlett
Julie Borowski
Bonnie Kristian
Corie Whalen
Piyali Bhattacharya
Jenny Worman
Juliet Annerino


Most of these names are "associated with the liberty movement" I don't believe any of them are VP material... raw "female liberty" brainstorming... but perhaps they will connect to someone who is?

Thoughts anyway.

If kwiatkowski were a congresswoman it would be perfect, extremely intelligent woman from VA swing state, appeals to tea party and anti-war left, survived 9-11 while working in Pentagon, military experience... its just a shame she has not made her way farther up the gov. ladder

Article V
03-09-2013, 02:45 PM
:rolleyes: Thinking "inside the box" of what didn't work in 2008 and what didn't work in 2012 isn't the way to win. But hey, stay inside your box. We had zillions of threads on "Let's pick the VP" and not a single primary win. Picking a VP early would simply give other candidates a stronger incentive to go scorched earth (after all, they won't be on the ticket anyway) and the media another target to shoot down prematurely. It's the stupidest thing we do, but those of use who point out the truth are the ones called "stupid" by those who love wasting time with this crap. Enjoy yourself. Go sign wave when you get finished.More good advice from jmdrake. This guy understands politics.

thoughtomator
03-09-2013, 02:49 PM
I will resolutely oppose the selection of any candidate on the basis of identity group membership.

whoisjohngalt
03-09-2013, 03:03 PM
OK I dont want to get into something like that over Cruz really.

Both McCain and Cruz were born as citizens because of lineage, but however archaic it may be,
the wording of the Constitution remains as does the intent of the first commander in chief and the first Chief Justice of the USA -
Washington and Jay respectively.

Neither McCain or Cruz are natural born citizens . . . and no declaration or resolution can change that fact.

For about half of the constitutional convention in the summer of 1787, the same natural born ( and the US Supreme Court has ruled that means native born)
requirement was included for Senators. But in mid August, 1787 they slackened the Senator requirement because of a delegate from Pennsylvania,
James Wilson who was born in Carskerdo, Fife, Scotland who they thought was a genius that should not be excluded from the new United States Senate.

So technically, without any other subsequent changes Wilson made Senators like Mcshame and Cruz opportunity sorta.

included

It is a fact John McCain was certainly not even eligible to become President.

There is no fight to be had. John McCain would have been president. Despite everything you just said. There is no argument.

rubioneocon
03-09-2013, 03:10 PM
So you're saying that the law of the land has a different definition of "natural born" than the actual definition that the phrase meant when the Constitution was written and still means today. And the definition that would obtain in real life would be this wrong, law of the land definition.

I gather then that you think that if McCain had won the election in 2008 he would have somehow been prevented from taking office by this "law of the land"?
Constitution of the United States

Yes, aka the
No the Supreme Court affirmed the meaning of natural born just exactly and precisely as John Jay intended the term to mean when
George Washington at the constitutional convention introduced it.

It has always meant exactly what it's original was, and the US Supreme Court only affirmed that meaning.

So, McCain was never eligible to be commander in chief, no matter what propaganda lie you incorrectly learned.

A constitutionalist like Senator Ted Cruz knows that he is inelgible to be President, and unlike McShame
won't burden the nation trying to deceive it . . . McCain's basic modus operandi since the Vietnam era . . .
lie to advance.

So make fun of the buffoon born in Panama . . . he's no hero.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/mccainshowsdickhickeyoff01e_zps9787b041.jpg

McCain: Lindsey, look what happened to me again . .

Graham: John, you really do need the extra strength Depends

erowe1
03-09-2013, 03:29 PM
Constitution of the United States

Yes, aka the
No the Supreme Court affirmed the meaning of natural born just exactly and precisely as John Jay intended the term to mean when
George Washington at the constitutional convention introduced it.

It has always meant exactly what it's original was, and the US Supreme Court only affirmed that meaning.

So, McCain was never eligible to be commander in chief, no matter what propaganda lie you incorrectly learned.

A constitutionalist like Senator Ted Cruz knows that he is inelgible to be President, and unlike McShame
won't burden the nation trying to deceive it . . . McCain's basic modus operandi since the Vietnam era . . .
lie to advance.


I can't make heads or tails out of most of your jibberish. Did you accidentally move one sentence into the middle of another or something?

Also, have you looked up "natural born" in the Oxford English Dictionary yet? That's where I learned my propaganda.

rubioneocon
03-09-2013, 04:05 PM
Also, have you looked up "natural born" in the Oxford English Dictionary yet? That's where I learned my propaganda.

Well, look up the Supreme Court definition instead . . . that is the one used in our Constitution. Thanks.

erowe1
03-09-2013, 04:11 PM
Well, look up the Supreme Court definition instead . . . that is the one used in our Constitution. Thanks.

How could that be? The Supreme Court didn't exist when the Constitution was written.

And whenever the Supreme Court did have anything to say about it, there must be some way to tell if they were right or wrong about what they said, such as by looking at the historic usage of the phrase "natural born." To that end, have you checked OED yet? If not, you're being pretty dogmatic for someone who hasn't even done the most rudimentary level of research.

PaleoPaul
03-09-2013, 09:45 PM
She may cave on gun control in her state. I'm wary of her.
Forget about gun control...she caved on Obamacare. She's going to bring the Medicare Expansion Program into her state.

Screw her.

PaleoPaul
03-09-2013, 09:47 PM
I still maintain Walker is the best bet for all the obvious reasons but mainly it helps put a state like in WI in play.

Yeah, just like Paul Ryan was supposed to put WI in play...oops...Obama beat Romney by 7 points there.

VP's don't tend to put swing states in play, historically speaking.

NoOneButPaul
03-09-2013, 10:13 PM
Ideally he'd pick his dad... but the nation would never accept it.

I think he'd pick an unknown to try and further present himself as a real change candidate.

Whatever happens I hope to hell he doesn't pick a compromise like Rubio.

Article V
03-09-2013, 10:19 PM
Yeah, just like Paul Ryan was supposed to put WI in play...oops...Obama beat Romney by 7 points there.

VP's don't tend to put swing states in play, historically speaking.^This.

MRK
03-09-2013, 10:32 PM
Maybe we should never consider to pander with a perfect demographic specimen and should instead focus on politicians with a keen power of persuasion.

Perhaps I'm just crazy here.

TaftFan
03-09-2013, 10:40 PM
VOTE HERE:
Rand Paul VP Poll: Congress and Senate only edition (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?406973-Rand-Paul-VP-Poll-Congress-and-Senate-only-edition)

MelissaWV
03-10-2013, 08:42 AM
Maybe we should never consider to pander with a perfect demographic specimen and should instead focus on politicians with a keen power of persuasion.

Perhaps I'm just crazy here.

You're not.

Of course, if we go pandering, we should maybe go for a Hispanic LGBT female (most likely "B" out of there, so as not to be too polarizing!) in a wheelchair from a big state.

If we took all that at face value, then I would be rather nervous that one of you was coming to bust my legs and throw me into politics.

I'm not sure I'd go with a talker as VP, though; Rand is pretty good at that. He is still developing as a politician/statesman. It's very early to determine what compliments his final style.

brandon
03-10-2013, 08:49 AM
Well he has to win florida so I think the pick has to be whoever polls best in florida. Unless of course rand turns the entire political map upside down and polls well in traditional blue states, which he just might do.

rubioneocon
03-10-2013, 10:59 PM
Okay everyone. Repeat after me.

You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......
You never consider VP picks until after you secure the nomination......

Recall the somewhat accurate account of the 2008 VP choice in
the well-acclaimed movie Game Change . . .

If you need a memory jog to realize just how utterly bad McCain's VP choice turned to be . . .
try that movie or any youtubes from the race 8½ years ago . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Change_(film)

We will NOT let that happen to Rand here as you would suggest to him.

OK it is way early . . . and much in fun to be conjecturizing about a VP possibility.
I think it has great merit though.

The most important decision the Presidential nominee has after securing the nomination -
but before the election - is the choice for Vice President.
Man, there sure have been crappy choices by GOP nominees . . . some who become POTUS anyway.

Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, but then there is 2008 that lowered the bar to the lowest level ever
because of that maverick McCain.

So here is a 46 second youtube that about says it all . . .

don't ya just love the cringe in Katie Couric's expression at about the 36 sec. mark as if to be thinking . . .
"This is one of the stupidest persons I have ever had to interview"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

rubioneocon
03-12-2013, 03:45 PM
I think it really shows our optimism that we are discussing this . . .
but the OP needs to include Other as a choice in his poll.
(in the other thread)

Congressman Kevin McCarthy (R-California) could be a great Vice-President "short lister" for the GOP eventual nominee Rand Paul of Kentucky.

If you need to include only people from Congress, than the long list could go on and on . . .
McCarthy or that Congressman from the 48th District Dana Rohrabacher (R-California)