PORN TO BE BANNED IN EUROPE?

[green73]

The European Parliament is preparing to vote on a proposal to ban all forms of pornography.

A report detailing the ban was prepared by the Committee on Women's Rights and Gender Equality.

Embedded under Article 17 of the report is a clause that, if eventually made into law, would effectively ban pornography across all types of media, including the Internet, in Europe.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290270/Will-porn-banned-Europe-EU-set-vote-internet-crackdown.html

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

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[green73]

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[heavenlyboy34]

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You just want to run the black market for it. :P

[dannno]

Two years ago, the Icelandic Parliament – led by female prime minister Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir - successfully banned all strip clubs on the grounds that they violated the civil rights of the women who worked there and were harmful to society.

This argument - that porn violates the rights of both women who appear in it and children who are exposed to it - is the cornerstone of the new proposals under discussion.

Well at least Iceland got the banking thing right :/

[MRK]

Might as well be renamed the internet killswitch clause.

After all...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc

[TheGrinch]

LOL, banning porn on the internet would be about as effective as banning spammers.

[MRK]

LOL, banning porn on the internet would be about as effective as banning spammers.

In the land where everyone is guilty of numerous crimes, the only crime is being caught - Hunter S. Thompson

Sent an unsolicited email to someone you thought was a long lost friend or family member?

GUILTY

Unknowingly loaded a webpage from outside the EU that had a topless woman?

GUILTY

[Danan]

The worst thing about this is that no serious public figure could oppose such a law, without losing all their credibility. Imagine the ridicule you'd recieve for "fighting for porn", even though it's really about a much broader philosophical topic.

[Mini-Me]

Their first recourse would be accessing American pr0n sites through the easiest method (direct access if possible or proxies if necessary). It will kill the industry in Europe though, so I think Europeans trying to make money off it will likely start up more darknet sites like Silk Road.

If we're lucky, the increased darknet activity might lead to more heavily researched and developed anonymizing protocols resistant to more threat models. The holy grail would be an onion routing protocol with such secure randomized/delayed packet routing and randomized/delayed dummy recipient forwarding that an omnipresent one world government observer with access to every ISP and perfect coordination still couldn't determine who is talking to whom, even after continuous long-term two-way communication. I suppose it would require an enormous amount of bandwidth and dummy packets to make the system resistant to timing and statistical attacks by an omnipresent observer though...and we'd also need to find a new key exchange protocol that eliminated man-in-the-middle attacks. At that point, encryption would probably just be outlawed. ...man, omnipresent surveillance is a really tough problem to solve.

[heavenlyboy34]

The worst thing about this is that no serious public figure could oppose such a law, without losing all their credibility. Imagine the ridicule you'd recieve for "fighting for porn", even though it's really about a much broader philosophical topic.
Fortunately, a large body of literature has already been published on this subject, so you just have to cite previous studies. You can make the "pro-porn" argument effectively this way. "Defending Pornography" by Nadine Strossen is a good start for those interested.

[aGameOfThrones]

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[MRK]

The worst thing about this is that no serious public figure could oppose such a law, without losing all their credibility. Imagine the ridicule you'd recieve for "fighting for porn", even though it's really about a much broader philosophical topic.

Fighting for porn and obviously doing it for money from the dirty money of the porn lobbying industry.

The sad fact of the matter that all money is dirty money. But hardly anyone, especially socialists, see it that way. Oh you're a bricklayer who does honest work? Yeah I bet you charged 50% more than one of your competitors did to build some innocent old lady a fence. You earned dirty money. Oh you're the cheapest in town and can barely afford to feed yourself? Yeah well there are bricklayers in botswana who are out of a job and get paid less than you and still die because they can't afford proper nutrition or healthcare. Your lack of morals and absurd profit advantage makes it dirty money. Oh you gave a woman 5 grand to video tape her and another man having sex for an hour? Your lack of morals and absurd profit make it dirty money.

Whoever got the populace thinking like this at large is an absolute genius. When you have an entire population that refuses to take an iota of economic advantage anywhere to the point where they're barely sustaining themselves, they are NEVER going to compete with you in any shape or form by trying to open a business and gasp maybe make 100% profit on an item once in a while.

When no one wants to do that, then you'll have excess of labor supply where everyone just wants to be an order taker collecting a wage, and everyone will cost really cheap to hire, and you can make them fight tooth and nail over 10 euros an hour.

[Cutlerzzz]

Committee of Woman's rights and gender equality.

Let me guess, a committee of ugly women who are bitter because no man in their right mind would touch them, so they take it on attractive women who "objectify" themselves.

[Danan]

Committee of Woman's rights and gender equality.

Let me guess, a committee of ugly women who are bitter because no man in their right mind would touch them, so they take it on attractive women who "objectify" themselves.

I don't see how any woman with some self-respect could support those clowns in their effort(s). How insecure do they have to be to constantly paint themselves as helpless victims of the patriarchy? Guess what, if that's how you want to see reality you are going to be a victim, and it's nobody's fault but your own.

What a sad utilization of lifetime to devote one's carrier to justifying the states "equlizing" aggression in the name of "feminism". I also can't think of a more useless way to waste tax money.

[angelatc]

Committee of Woman's rights and gender equality.

Let me guess, a committee of ugly women who are bitter because no man in their right mind would touch them, so they take it on attractive women who "objectify" themselves.

Yes, because everybody wants to bring a crack whore stripper home to meet Mom!!!!

Outside of Holly-weird it's been my experience that conservative women are much more attractive than liberals. I think it's because they don't have those feminist chips on their shoulders.

[libertyjam]

The UK will never allow their Page 3 (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4733658/page-3-idol-2013-contestants.html) girls to be taken away.

[green73]

The UK will never allow their Page 3 girls to be taken away.


Some of those women have serious eyebrow issues.

[Mini-Me]

The UK will never allow their Page 3 girls to be taken away.

Is the UK actually bound by EU dictates?

[Cutlerzzz]

Outside of Holly-weird it's been my experience that conservative women are much more attractive than liberals. I think it's because they don't have those feminist chips on their shoulders.

Disregarding your first sentence, I would like to add that in my experience conservative women are generally more feminine than liberal woman, and conservative men are generally more masculine than liberal men.

[Danan]

Yes, because everybody wants to bring a crack whore stripper home to meet Mom!!!!

Outside of Holly-weird it's been my experience that conservative women are much more attractive than liberals. I think it's because they don't have those feminist chips on their shoulders.

???

Do you believe those women in that comitee are conservative, not liberal? It's the "Committee on Women's Rights and Gender Equality" of the European Parliament! Neither do I believe they would ever identify themselves as conservative, nor do I see how their proposal is everything but leftist.

Or do I misunderstand you? In that case I'm sorry. (I'm not talking about their looks, though, just their political beliefs.)

[presence]

Any reports on the expected enforcement budget?

[catfeathers]

Hmm, when I was in Germany about 20 years ago you could watch what I would consider "soft porn" on late night TV and porn magazine covers were at eye level for kids in the convenience stores. And even the Sears type catalogs showed nudity, they sold adult toys too.

[Brian4Liberty]

You just want to run the black market for it. :P

I'm not sure I believe the story. Like Hollywood, they probably want to make sure that they can control it. Theaters, DVD, On-demand are probably exempt.

On the other hand, wasn't there a thread about illegal drugs, illegal guns and pornography being done by the same people? They are probably lobbying to make it illegal in Europe. Just another activity that makes more money (for some) when it is illegal. We need to make gambling illegal too. And alcohol prohibition, that worked! What else can we turn into a crime? 32 ounce sodas? OK, now that would just be crazy talk. But we may need house to house searches to make sure that people don't have 32 ounce containers in their homes. They might fill up at home. Combining two 16 oz sodas into a single container is dangerous!

[green73]

haha Drudge still doesn't have this. You're slipping, Drudgy.

[compromise]

This thread will go on for 10+ more pages. People round here sure love talking about porn.

[Brian4Liberty]

Two years ago, the Icelandic Parliament – led by female prime minister Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir - successfully banned all strip clubs on the grounds that they violated the civil rights of the women who worked there and were harmful to society.

It is the same issue as drugs. There is a huge difference between telling your children not to do something or not doing something yourself, and making laws about it. Violating rights of people who do something voluntarily? Is that like walking into a marijuana clinic and telling them that their rights are violated by smoking pot? It's the opposite.

Hold on, it's clear now. This is Orwellian double-speak. Taking away rights is being calling protecting rights.

[Danan]

This thread will go on for 10+ more pages. People round here sure love talking about porn.

There will also be complaining if a governments wants to ban hitting your head against a wall. Not necessarily because we all deem that to be such a pleasurable activity. ;)

[heavenlyboy34]

This thread will go on for 10+ more pages. People round here sure love talking about porn.
Since we live in our mothers' basements, there isn't much else for us to talk about. ;) :D lolz

[thoughtomator]

The UK will never allow their Page 3 girls to be taken away.

lol check out the name of the last one on the page

[ninepointfive]

Disregarding your first sentence, I would like to add that in my experience conservative women are generally more feminine than liberal woman, and conservative men are generally more masculine than liberal men.

I'll second that

[green73]

Nobody is hotter than libertarian women. Nobody.

[heavenlyboy34]

Nobody is hotter than libertarian women. Nobody.
Truth. Well, except for Russian libertarian women. ;)

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

Nobody is hotter than libertarian women. Nobody.

Not even Lew Rockwell?

[Cutlerzzz]

Not even Lew Rockwell?

Bob Murphy with his shirt off is even hotter than Libeetarian women and Lew.

[aGameOfThrones]

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that porn, for lack of a better word, is good. Porn is right, porn works. Porn clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Porn, in all of its forms; porn for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And porn, you mark my words, will not only save EU, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

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[green73]

Bob Murphy with his shirt off is even hotter than Libeetarian women and Lew.

Lew > Bob Murphy > Tom Woods > Libertarian Women.

[heavenlyboy34]

Bob Murphy with his shirt off is even hotter than Libeetarian women and Lew.
Someone's clearly never seen libertarian women. Get out of your mother's basement and meet some libertarian women sometime, d00d. :P

[Cutlerzzz]

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[heavenlyboy34]

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amusing what kids do with photoshop these days.

[Demigod]

No way that this would pass into law.Prostitution is legal in most of Europe and countries like Italy,Hungary,Czech republic and France that make most of the porn would never allow porn to be banned.

Also the EU is cutting its budget (and not the USA way but 3,5% on the base budget ) so there is no way they will approve of some new regulatory agencies and departments when they have to cut existing programs.And with election season coming next year I doubt any government would be stupid enough to take on this crusade.

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

Lew > Bob Murphy > Tom Woods > Libertarian Women.

Where does Wenzel fit into your wank list?

[Cutlerzzz]

amusing what kids do with photoshop these days.

That's no shop. Murphy actually made a shirtless video in his bathroom where he taped a picture of Krugman to his mirror.

[Danan]

amusing what kids do with photoshop these days.

?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w2xXOQY-NY

[green73]

Where does Wenzel fit into your wank list?

Can you find a picture of him?

[heavenlyboy34]

That's no shop. Murphy actually made a shirtless video in his bathroom where he taped a picture of Krugman to his mirror.
:eek: OMG! I thought for a second there someone stuck Bob's head onto someone else with a similarly shaped body. :eek:

[LibForestPaul]

Might be backed by the porn industry itself. Supposedly, they are taking a beating. What better way than having, government mandated sites. Its for the children.

[opal]

Bob Murphy with his shirt off is even hotter than Libeetarian women and Lew.

I'll see your Bob Murphy shirtless and Raise you a shirtless Ben Swann

[green73]

I'll see your Bob Murphy shirtless and Raise you a shirtless Ben Swann

You better be a female.

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

You better be a female.

http://larry5154.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/jerry-and-george.jpg

[Fivezeroes]

Might as well be renamed the internet killswitch clause.

After all...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc


How have I never seen this--lol.

[Cutlerzzz]

I'll see your Bob Murphy shirtless and Raise you a shirtless Ben Swann

Please, Murphy is waaaaay hawter.

[RickyJ]

I see now, these pimps don't want porn competing with their prostitutes.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290270/Will-porn-banned-Europe-EU-set-vote-internet-crackdown.html

There is a European Parliament? Man, if they do ban porn, then would that also ban network television? Are we talking entertainment that has social redeeming value? If so, then I can envision Europe instigating a nuclear first strike against Hollywood.

[green73]

I see now, these pimps don't want porn competing with their prostitutes.

They want to know who is using porn.

[opal]

You better be a female.

know many men called Opal do ya?

two X chromosomes.. check - Y chromosome.. nope

[green73]

know many men called Opal do ya?

two X chromosomes.. check - Y chromosome.. nope

I don't know many women called opal.

[tmg19103]

What a hypocritical continent (not that North America and the U.S. does not have a world of problems too).

France has no prob with its "leaders" having a second, secret family or cheating on their wives. Italy elects porn stars to their parliament. Yet they want to ban porn?

In the U.S., porn is protected by the First Amendment and basically accepted outside of the religious right (and they just don't admit watching it), but all hell breaks loose if a politician here has a roving eye.

EU, U.S. - hypocrisy is thy name.

[parocks]

Hmm, when I was in Germany about 20 years ago you could watch what I would consider "soft porn" on late night TV and porn magazine covers were at eye level for kids in the convenience stores. And even the Sears type catalogs showed nudity, they sold adult toys too.

I was in Germany about 10 years ago and I saw the soft porn on the tv there.

[TheGrinch]

They can take my porn when they pry my penis from my cold hands.

[green73]

I was in Germany about 10 years ago and I saw the soft porn on the tv there.

UK as well. They must hate the hardcore stuff for free on the net.

[RickyJ]

They want to know who is using porn.

Wouldn't it be easier to find out who isn't using porn?

[green73]

Wouldn't it be easier to find out who isn't using porn?


What good are those people?

[heavenlyboy34]

What a hypocritical continent (not that North America and the U.S. does not have a world of problems too).

France has no prob with its "leaders" having a second, secret family or cheating on their wives. Italy elects porn stars to their parliament. Yet they want to ban porn?

In the U.S., porn is protected by the First Amendment and basically accepted outside of the religious right (and they just don't admit watching it), but all hell breaks loose if a politician here has a roving eye.

EU, U.S. - hypocrisy is thy name.

Continents and countries do not ~verb~ much at all. Plz don't treat them as animate objects. It irritates my inner grammar nerd. :P

[RickyJ]

Continents and countries do not ~verb~ much at all. Plz don't treat them as animate objects. It irritates my inner grammar nerd. :P


Keep your inner grammar nerd to yourself please, this is a family site.

[heavenlyboy34]

Keep your inner grammar nerd to yourself please, this is a family site.
Pssh! :rolleyes: A family of virgin internet nerds, maybe. :D ;)

[Zippyjuan]

The internet was INVENTED for free porn (and other entertainment).

When I visited Germany the first time, I was amazed at how openly porn was sold. In the US you generally didn't even see Playboy on the newsstands.

[BlackTerrel]

Won't happen.

[compromise]

What a hypocritical continent (not that North America and the U.S. does not have a world of problems too).

France has no prob with its "leaders" having a second, secret family or cheating on their wives. Italy elects porn stars to their parliament. Yet they want to ban porn?

In the U.S., porn is protected by the First Amendment and basically accepted outside of the religious right (and they just don't admit watching it), but all hell breaks loose if a politician here has a roving eye.

EU, U.S. - hypocrisy is thy name.

Porn isn't fully protected by the 1st amendment. Almost every state bans production of it by considering it prostitution (aside from CA, NH, NV who explicitly legalized it and FL that doesn't enforce their ban) and a few even limit sale of it (but no state has an absolute ban).

While at a state level, I am in favor of banning porn production, I think what the EU is doing here is not only going too far by banning possession but also severely violating the national sovereignty of EU states.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Porn isn't fully protected by the 1st amendment. Almost every state bans production of it by considering it prostitution (aside from CA, NH, NV who explicitly legalized it and FL that doesn't enforce their ban) and a few even limit sale of it (but no state has an absolute ban).

While at a state level, I am in favor of banning porn production, I think what the EU is doing here is not only going too far by banning possession but also severely violating the national sovereignty of EU states.

How can you be in favor of banning porn...Whats it matter to you what other people do with their bodies?

[KrokHead]

PORN TO BE BANNED IN EUROPE?
Considering how most European cultures are sexually more liberal than the United States, if such a thing were to occur it would be an obvious attempt of social control over the people.

[Sentinelrv]

How can you be in favor of banning porn...Whats it matter to you what other people do with their bodies?

I agree, but I go a step further in wondering why people look at sex as something wrong to begin with. It's completely natural or else it wouldn't be built into us, yet many people want to hide it away and are ashamed of their own natural sexual desires. It's even worse when these same people condemn others for acting like sluts or whores, leading the women to lose their status and social reputation. No wonder so many women are afraid of being sexually open.

And seriously, if you want your mind to be blown, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=okZEvv5-thY).