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hummtide
03-07-2013, 10:51 AM
Freaking political hacks. Cant stand that Rand has taken their precious spotlight away from them FOREVER!

tsai3904
03-07-2013, 10:53 AM
They're on C-SPAN 2 right now.

Philip Klein ‏@philipaklein
John McCain responding to Rand Paul: "Calm down Senator, Holder is right."

Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli
McCain: "I don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the American people."

Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli
McCain, with Graham seated behind him on floor, says Paul brought conversation "to the realm of the ridiculous."

Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli
Graham: "A bit disappointed" that GOP sens "no longer think we're apparently at war." Paul's not "Republican view," but libertarian

acptulsa
03-07-2013, 10:54 AM
I don't know which of Graham's lies is funnier, that being declared an enemy combatant is all the due process Americans could ever need, or that the A-4 aircraft McCain flew are 'fighters'.

RockEnds
03-07-2013, 10:56 AM
I think Graham and McCain are about to break out into a chorus of Hail to the Chief.

Kords21
03-07-2013, 10:57 AM
Whoever runs against Graham needs to use his stance against Rand in ads. These two jackasses don't stand with Rand, they stand with Obama. The RNC needs to send a message to these two and treat them like pariahs.

kcchiefs6465
03-07-2013, 10:58 AM
The treasonous POS is on right now. I wouldn't recommend watching it. :mad:

Mr.NoSmile
03-07-2013, 10:59 AM
I don't understand why they and others seem to believe that Paul is saying drones should never be used. They keep invoking 9/11 and issues of national security and ask whether that would be an acceptable situation. As Paul said when Durbin asked this same question, pretty sure the answer is a clear yes.

Spikender
03-07-2013, 11:00 AM
Killing enemy combatants with drones is the American Way. Bow down and submit, Rand. The little puppets on strings demand it.

RockEnds
03-07-2013, 11:01 AM
I don't understand why they and others seem to believe that Paul is saying drones should never be used. They keep invoking 9/11 and issues of national security and ask whether that would be an acceptable situation. As Paul said when Durbin asked this same question, pretty sure the answer is a clear yes.

Money. Defense contractors. Blood lust. It's not that they misunderstand. It's that they intentionally conflate.

Bman
03-07-2013, 11:02 AM
McCain and Graham have lost all credibility. They had none with me from the start but they've lost it amongst any level of the GOP. They may be the two least influential GOP senators currently holding seats.

kcchiefs6465
03-07-2013, 11:03 AM
'Number of people killed by drones 0. Number of people killed by Al Qaeda 2,958. The reason it is not 2,000,000 or 20,000,000 or 200,000,000 million is because they can't get the weapons needed to kill that many of us.' - Graham

Then he alludes to weapons of mass destruction and assassinating American citizens here who are labeled enemey combatants or imminent threats. As been stated by Obama imminent is not immediate. This is so sickening I can hardly watch. It's going to be an early one for me. I'm ready for a drink already.

acptulsa
03-07-2013, 11:04 AM
Durbin once again bringing up the red herring of force against a hijacked aircraft on its way to the Pentagon--and again ignoring that this clear and present threat was let through by Cheney. Durbin is making this trashing of the Constitution a real bipartisan effort.

libertyjam
03-07-2013, 11:05 AM
A twitter pic making the rounds:

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/741389043.jpg?key=720540&Expires=1362676841&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=tIFlK8mZ3T-o4X~nqZx7KCdhQKFsdRQ24na7oIsQRrKdci7VtWQcEit1iaJ0Z a1JaYEnH6RI2eQcnC4Yk9MmEvwETUN8yjDshHowawRH4VycP~-uGKohALmOUZrgB2ouaU5tZGlVnq1t2JABhGAFNgAvAoymhsPBP pP9kQzcRkE_

compromise
03-07-2013, 11:06 AM
The establishment (Priebus, McConnell, etc) have abandoned these two clowns and realized embracing liberty is the only way for the GOP to remain relevant. Naturally, these two are pretty pissed off. Who're the fringe extremists now?

newbitech
03-07-2013, 11:07 AM
McCain and Grahams main argument thrust is, America is a battle field.

So much for fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here.

The day you associate yourself with Al Queda is the day you become an imminent threat, because the organization you support is a threat.


Hear this, if the president thinks you are associated with Al Queda, you are a target.

Spikender
03-07-2013, 11:08 AM
McCain and Grahams main argument thrust is, America is a battle field.

So much for fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here.

The day you associate yourself with Al Queda is the day you become an imminent threat, because the organization you support is a threat.


Here this, if the president thinks you are associated with Al Queda, you are a target.

Starts with Al Qaeda, and then quickly becomes if you are associated with the Occupy Movement, or maybe the Oathkeepers...

Well, the battlefield is constantly evolving, don'tcha know? Gotta respond to all these new threats.

acptulsa
03-07-2013, 11:10 AM
The establishment (Priebus, McConnell, etc) have abandoned these two clowns and realized embracing liberty is the only way for the GOP to remain relevant. Naturally, these two are pretty pissed off. Who're the fringe extremists now?

The same people who always were. Rand just finally found a way to make it so obvious even a complete idiot in total denial can't avoid seeing it.

compromise
03-07-2013, 11:11 AM
A twitter pic making the rounds:

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/741389043.jpg?key=720540&Expires=1362676841&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=tIFlK8mZ3T-o4X~nqZx7KCdhQKFsdRQ24na7oIsQRrKdci7VtWQcEit1iaJ0Z a1JaYEnH6RI2eQcnC4Yk9MmEvwETUN8yjDshHowawRH4VycP~-uGKohALmOUZrgB2ouaU5tZGlVnq1t2JABhGAFNgAvAoymhsPBP pP9kQzcRkE_

To his credit, Chambliss did join the filibuster and unlike Rubio, it wasn't for any political gain as he's retiring in 2014.

newbitech
03-07-2013, 11:11 AM
Lindsey Graham the chance of being hit with a drone is 0.

kcchiefs6465
03-07-2013, 11:11 AM
A twitter pic making the rounds:

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/741389043.jpg?key=720540&Expires=1362676841&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=tIFlK8mZ3T-o4X~nqZx7KCdhQKFsdRQ24na7oIsQRrKdci7VtWQcEit1iaJ0Z a1JaYEnH6RI2eQcnC4Yk9MmEvwETUN8yjDshHowawRH4VycP~-uGKohALmOUZrgB2ouaU5tZGlVnq1t2JABhGAFNgAvAoymhsPBP pP9kQzcRkE_
:| I pray to God Rubio isn't the new face of the republican party.

AuH20
03-07-2013, 11:12 AM
McCain and Grahams main argument thrust is, America is a battle field.

So much for fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here.

The day you associate yourself with Al Queda is the day you become an imminent threat, because the organization you support is a threat.


Hear this, if the president thinks you are associated with Al Queda, you are a target.

Let's concede that America is a battlefield for argument's sake. Then why the unwarranted attacks against the 2nd Amendment?????? I love when these boobs make illogical arguments which go directly against their insane policies.

jct74
03-07-2013, 11:12 AM
Rush is blasting McCain right now for blasting Rand

Spikender
03-07-2013, 11:12 AM
:| I pray to God Rubio isn't the new face of the republican party.

Don't know whether Rubio would be an upgrade from the current faces or not...

But I'd rather not find out.

RockEnds
03-07-2013, 11:13 AM
Rush is blasting McCain right now for blasting Rand

Good. I can't stand Rush, but good.

newbitech
03-07-2013, 11:14 AM
Let's concede that America is a battlefield for argument's sake. Then why the unwarranted attacks against the 2nd Amendment?????? I love when these boobs make illogical arguments which go directly against their insane policies.

I think it's hilarious that Graham issued a grave warning to anyone thinking about assisting Al Queda in attacking their "homeland".

Booogy booogy booogy! Ya scared yet? lol

hammy
03-07-2013, 11:15 AM
Rubio proved that he is all polish from his speech writers and advisers. All surface, nothing underneath. He will be the Rick Perry in the next cycle.

kcchiefs6465
03-07-2013, 11:16 AM
McCain and Grahams main argument thrust is, America is a battle field.

So much for fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here.

The day you associate yourself with Al Queda is the day you become an imminent threat, because the organization you support is a threat.


Hear this, if the president thinks you are associated with Al Queda, you are a target.
Not only that you are a target, you are open to indefinite detention and assassination. Any means are available for the assassination but a drone strike is not out of the question. It is a sad day in America when the Bill of Rights can't even protect you. Usurptions and incrementalism from these treasonous pieces of shit occur daily. I went from hopeful to despaired all in the course of 24 hours. Obama, or the next establishment prick, please do not arbitralily murder me. I love my country for what it used to stand for, I am afraid it is all gone. I'll await for the day where that leads you to be put on a flashcard.

Spikender
03-07-2013, 11:20 AM
Good. I can't stand Rush, but good.

Always nice when the wolves tear each other apart.

Kords21
03-07-2013, 11:20 AM
Would recalls in AZ and SC be possible?

RecoveringNeoCon
03-07-2013, 11:23 AM
DRUDGE is on top of it.

Front page...."Old Bulls Buck Rand"

kcchiefs6465
03-07-2013, 11:24 AM
Let's concede that America is a battlefield for argument's sake. Then why the unwarranted attacks against the 2nd Amendment?????? I love when these boobs make illogical arguments which go directly against their insane policies.
That is not something I'd ever concede. Even for a moment, or even for argument's sake.

green73
03-07-2013, 11:27 AM
DINED WITH OBAMA DURING FILIBUSTER... (http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/03/07/obama-pays-dinner-tab-dozen-republicans/)
Sen. Graham: 'Ridiculous'... (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/ugh-lindsey-graham-slams-rand-paul-for-holding-13-hour-filibuster-on-obamas-domestic-drone-policy-video/)



http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/U351hjxs0CPy8n0s647xOA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yOTc7cT04NTt3PTQ1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-02-24T160217Z_1_CBRE91N18K100_RTROPTP_2_USA-OBAMA-NOMINATIONS-HAGEL.JPG
OLD BULLS BUCK RAND (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/7/graham-mccain-blast-paul-filibuster/)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

green73
03-07-2013, 11:27 AM
@JustinRaimondo

Lindsey Graham & John McCain are enemy combatants in the war on our liberties.

supermario21
03-07-2013, 11:28 AM
I'd like to see how that works on a campaign trail, trying to get Americans to believe we're fighting a war on our homeland.

mosquitobite
03-07-2013, 11:30 AM
Whoever runs against Graham needs to use his stance against Rand in ads. These two jackasses don't stand with Rand, they stand with Obama. The RNC needs to send a message to these two and treat them like pariahs.


I think Graham and McCain are about to break out into a chorus of Hail to the Chief.

Stick a fork in them. They will be primary-ed, and hopefully defeated!

rubioneocon
03-07-2013, 11:30 AM
Freaking political hacks. Cant stand that Rand has taken their precious spotlight away from them FOREVER!

what did McShame do now ? let me guess . . . didn't even know about the Randstand

no it is worse . . .
. John McCain responding to Rand Paul: "Calm down Senator, Holder is right."

. . it figures worthless McCain.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/mccain-nap.jpg

fisharmor
03-07-2013, 11:35 AM
I don't understand why they and others seem to believe that Paul is saying drones should never be used.

Since that's what they believe he said anyway, I'm only further disappointed that Paul attempted so strongly to distance himself from that position.

Jack Bauer
03-07-2013, 11:35 AM
DINED WITH OBAMA DURING FILIBUSTER... (http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/03/07/obama-pays-dinner-tab-dozen-republicans/)
Sen. Graham: 'Ridiculous'... (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/ugh-lindsey-graham-slams-rand-paul-for-holding-13-hour-filibuster-on-obamas-domestic-drone-policy-video/)



http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/U351hjxs0CPy8n0s647xOA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yOTc7cT04NTt3PTQ1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2013-02-24T160217Z_1_CBRE91N18K100_RTROPTP_2_USA-OBAMA-NOMINATIONS-HAGEL.JPG
OLD BULLS BUCK RAND (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/7/graham-mccain-blast-paul-filibuster/)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)


Listening to Rush right now.

He's saying politics is just show biz for the ugly and the old ugly bulls like McCain and Graham are jealous of the young and handsome Senators like Paul, Cruz, and Rubio stealing their spotlight.

:D :D :D :D :D

rubioneocon
03-07-2013, 11:37 AM
So McCain is a Yea vote for drones . . . God damn you John McCain -
the Admiral's flunky son who trashed five American planes . . .
including the one at the center of the USS Forestal disaster

it was started as a prank . . . Johnny McCain the prankster and they had justed loaded a secondary type of munitions

John McCain would have been court-marshalled had he not been the spoiled Admiral's son,
last in his class at Anapolis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Against_John_McCain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I


play this youtube in the halls of Congress as a tribute to the hero John McCain . . . born in Panama no less
cost . . .134 dead McCain $72million

Bastiat's The Law
03-07-2013, 11:37 AM
Got a link to listen to Rush?

^^
I never thought I would say that phrase in my life btw

brandon
03-07-2013, 11:38 AM
Normal people dont' care what McCain and Graham think anymore. They might still have establishment influence, but their time is over and their base is gone. It's only a matter of time until they retire (How old is McCain now, 80?) or lose reelection, and take the last remnants of neoconservatism home with them.

acptulsa
03-07-2013, 11:43 AM
So McCain is a Yea vote for drones . . . God damn you John McCain -
the Admiral's flunky son who trashed five American planes . . .
including the one at the center of the USS Forestal disaster

it was started as a prank . . . Johnny McCain the prankster and they had justed loaded a secondary type of munitions

John McCain would have been court-marshalled had he not been the spoiled Admiral's son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

Actually, he did what was called a 'wet start', meaning he dumped too much raw fuel into the system so his exahust would flame the guy behind him, who he was always giving a hard time to. Then, while scrambling to get out of the cockpit and save his own ass, he carelessly dropped his drop tank into the small fire, making a big fire out of it.

We can tell this because the fuel tank of the A-4 is above and slightly ahead of the wing. The fire seen in the film, however, is not.

Admiral's son indeed.

rubioneocon
03-07-2013, 11:44 AM
and the USS Forrestal doesn't forget you still McCain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

green73
03-07-2013, 11:44 AM
So McCain is a Yea vote for drones . . . God damn you John McCain -
the Admiral's flunky son who trashed five American planes . . .
including the one at the center of the USS Forestal disaster

it was started as a prank . . . Johnny McCain the prankster and they had justed loaded a secondary type of munitions

John McCain would have been court-marshalled had he not been the spoiled Admiral's son,
last in his class at Anapolis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Against_John_McCain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I


play this youtube in the halls of Congress as a tribute to the hero John McCain . . . born in Panama no less
cost . . .134 dead McCain $72million

Don't forget his proud service of indiscriminately bombing civilians, that is, until the peasants shot him down.

rubioneocon
03-07-2013, 11:48 AM
Don't forget his proud service of indiscriminately bombing civilians, that is, until the peasants shot him down.

or the crash off of Corpus Christi . . . missed the runway and by his own admission, hadn't read the manual for eject procedure

almost drown when he couldn't charge off the canopy

nobody else would have been allowed near - let alone try to fly - a Navy jet with the class rank of John McCain


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080822120637AATsO4m

Jack Bauer
03-07-2013, 11:51 AM
Got a link to listen to Rush?

^^
I never thought I would say that phrase in my life btw

Here you go http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/citadel/?sid=1352

Valli6
03-07-2013, 11:53 AM
“The country needs more senators who care about liberty, but if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about,” said Mr. McCain, Republicans’ presidential nominee in 2008 — who topped Mr. Paul’s father, former Rep. Ron Paul, in that year’s primary.

And where Democrats praised Mr. Paul for using Senate rules properly to launch a filibuster, Mr. McCain said it was an abuse of rules that could hurt the GOP in the long run.

“What we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those who say the rules of the Senate are being abused,” the Arizona Republican said.

Mr. Paul said he was filibustering to get the administration to affirm it won’t kill non-combatant Americans in the U.S. — and his effort was joined by more than a dozen other senators who said they, too, supported his effort to get answers.

Mr. Graham said asking whether the president has the power to kill Americans here at home is a ludicrous question.

“I do not believe that question deserves an answer,” Mr. Graham said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/7/graham-mccain-blast-paul-filibuster/
No doubt we will probably see the video later.

rubioneocon
03-07-2013, 11:54 AM
To his credit, Chambliss did join the filibuster and unlike Rubio, it wasn't for any political gain as he's retiring in 2014.

are they voting Nay . . . do not consent to the CIA nominee of President BO?

Jeremy
03-07-2013, 12:23 PM
Makes you wonder why Liberty PAC will waste money on Mitch and Lindsey isn't touched

Jack Bauer
03-07-2013, 12:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/wLKEzKV.jpg

Brian4Liberty
03-07-2013, 12:52 PM
Who will Primary Graham?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?397771-Lee-Bright-has-had-talks-with-fundraisers-about-primarying-Lindsey-Graham/page2

jtap
03-07-2013, 12:56 PM
I just saw the "libertarian kids" quote from McCain and got all fired up. I ended up at his web form (http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm) and was about to fire off something where I had to replace curse words with something more eloquent before I came here to make sure people knew about it. I really dislike this old wanker. It sickens me he is so comfortable in his position that he's willing to belittle the youth vote of the country and the Libertarians. I wish it would come back to bite him. Why do old people often act like they deserve respect and don't have to give it?

Brian4Liberty
03-07-2013, 02:03 PM
In case anyone is interested, maybe we can get #PrimaryGraham or #SlamGraham trending?

http://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/309754463214768129
"South Carolina State Senator @leebright will #StandwithRand. It's time for Lindsey Graham to become a Democrat. #PrimaryGraham #SlamGraham"

heavenlyboy34
03-07-2013, 02:29 PM
Money. Defense contractors. Blood lust. It's not that they misunderstand. It's that they intentionally conflate.
This^^ In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned
that way. Franklin D. Roosevelt

thequietkid10
03-07-2013, 04:49 PM
'Number of people killed by drones 0. Number of people killed by Al Qaeda 2,958. The reason it is not 2,000,000 or 20,000,000 or 200,000,000 million is because they can't get the weapons needed to kill that many of us.' - Graham

Then he alludes to weapons of mass destruction and assassinating American citizens here who are labeled enemey combatants or imminent threats. As been stated by Obama imminent is not immediate. This is so sickening I can hardly watch. It's going to be an early one for me. I'm ready for a drink already.

Jesus fn Christ...apparently non Americans don't count as "people" in Graham world. that's disgusting...

thequietkid10
03-07-2013, 04:52 PM
Got a link to listen to Rush?

^^
I never thought I would say that phrase in my life btw

I was going to find a more specific link....but the top three stories on Rush's home page are all Rand Paul related.......:eek:

The specific comments are the third story...

Mr.NoSmile
03-07-2013, 04:55 PM
Jesus fn Christ...apparently non Americans don't count as "people" in Graham world. that's disgusting...

To clarify, not that it matters, but his chart actually said Number of American citizens killed by drones in the U.S. was 0, not just everyday citizens.

sailingaway
03-07-2013, 05:04 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEyfezrCAAAavj4.jpg:large

mosquitobite
03-07-2013, 05:07 PM
We need a picture of Graham and McCain and a caption along the lines of:

Let's attack him, he's a Paul. The media will have our backs.

Oops. Wrong side of history losers. Maybe you guys can join Lugar! Enjoy retirement!

CrissyNY
03-07-2013, 05:16 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEyfezrCAAAavj4.jpg:large


just tried; mailbox full

i can email, but maybe i will try and call tomorrow instead

kcchiefs6465
03-07-2013, 05:23 PM
Jesus fn Christ...apparently non Americans don't count as "people" in Graham world. that's disgusting...
To be clear he was fear mongering the point of what would happen if Al Qaeda had 'weapons of mass destruction.' He said that there would obviously be some people here who are sympathetic to Al Qaeda and was thankful that the number would be small. He had talked about Al Awlaki and his death and how we were right for assassinating him. I'm not sure if my earlier post made all of that clear.

The implications of what he said are many. After Al Awlaki's assassination without judicial process the books were open for it to be done to others. As long as they posed an 'imminent threat' it was legal under the Constitution for a president to order them killed without due process. Now that's all fine and good when it is actually an immediate threat. Such as the case of Pearl Harbor or shooting down a plane on 9/11, for instance. The problem was with describing Al Awlaki as an imminent threat and thus justifiable for a presidential assassination, was that you took away the meaning of 'imminent.' They further explained that Al Awlaki was an imminent threat because later he could have and probably would have attacked us. That is unacceptable. The president shouldn't have invoked the word imminent when killing Al Awlaki, but that was the only way I presume they could justify it to the world. As of lately McCain speaks of America as a battlefield. [really for a while now] That the War on Terror is not limited to overseas. The war on terror is not something that can be won. It isn't as if terror is going to say, "I give up." We are in a perpetual war scenario where the president very obviously does not want to rule out the possibility of another attack on an American citizen - whether that be here, or whether that's overseas. Whether or not someone has been ruled an enemy combatant is not relevant. After all, who ruled him one? On what evidence was the accused 'convicted,' and does the accused even have a chance to challenge the charges? No, he is simply labeled as one and doled the punishment. Whether that be death, or indefinite detention, waterboarding or other forms of torture... who knows? This is why we have the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendment. The president, or anyone else for that matter, is not to be judge, jury, and executioner. Especially considering that you have no way to know if you are on a list or to fight the charges against you. Look at the what, million or so people on the no fly list. With respect to that but even in a broader sense, another thing to watch out for is the usurption of 2nd Amendment rights. There is already talk [probably a bill, though I'm not aware if there is one] of making anyone on the vast terrorist watch list not be able to buy a gun. That sounds good in theory to the average American and probably has a good name [i.e. Patriot Act] but you must remember that there are children on the list, etc. You may be put on the list and not know it just for having the same name as another man. It's all a slippery slope. There are adequate laws on the books and I am frankly not willing to sacrifice anymore liberty for safety. [I never was, but I seemed to have grown up in a post 9/11 atmosphere] Rand Paul's putting up the good fight. More people need to be educated on the points I've just made. Otherwise Graham's and McCain's ridiculous points sound plausible and/or good for the public. Sorry for the wall of text, btw. I didn't really intend on typing this much.

heavenlyboy34
03-07-2013, 05:36 PM
Stick a fork in them. They will be primary-ed, and hopefully defeated!
Color me cynical, but I doubt McShame is going anywhere. He's loaded with cash to outspend opponents with and is still popular among likely voters (mostly old people and vets who McShame gets special kickbacks for from the feds). If there's a serious contender for his seat next year, someone plz post it where I can't miss it. :)

RonPaulFanInGA
03-07-2013, 05:39 PM
McCain won reelection in 2010. So he's not up again until 2016, when he'll turn 80 years old.

anaconda
03-07-2013, 05:40 PM
Mike Memoli ‏@mikememoli
Graham: "A bit disappointed" that GOP sens "no longer think we're apparently at war." Paul's not "Republican view," but libertarian

Well, the gloves have clearly come off for 2016.

AuH20
03-07-2013, 05:42 PM
Well, the gloves have clearly come off for 2016.

There he is hiding behind that 'L' word again. Rand should shove it up his candy ass.

anaconda
03-07-2013, 05:43 PM
The treasonous POS is on right now. I wouldn't recommend watching it. :mad:

You can bet our boy Rand has anticipated the state blow back and has prepared optimal talking points to fight back and rally true patriots throughout the land.

jkob
03-07-2013, 05:43 PM
Sacks of garbage is too kind of a description for McCain and Graham. History will remember you for the monsters that you are.

anaconda
03-07-2013, 05:44 PM
There he is hiding behind that 'L' word again. Rand should shove it up his candy ass.

Whoa. I misunderstood for a second. I assume you mean McSame's candy ass?

RonPaulFanInGA
03-07-2013, 05:45 PM
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/338/11/338-1126203216-mccain-lieberman-graham3.jpg

AuH20
03-07-2013, 05:46 PM
Whoa. I misunderstood for a second. I assume you mean McSame's candy ass?

Graham loves the word 'libertarian' because it allows for extra mileage in his attacks. McCain loves using it too, instead of actually debating the issue at hand.

anaconda
03-07-2013, 08:52 PM
Graham loves the word 'libertarian' because it allows for extra mileage in his attacks. McCain loves using it too, instead of actually debating the issue at hand.

I'm glad they're using the term. Rand has strong Republican values and they are only helping to solidify Rand's unique brand and image in the new GOP.

BlackTerrel
03-07-2013, 08:55 PM
I'm glad they're using the term. Rand has strong Republican values and they are only helping to solidify Rand's unique brand and image in the new GOP.

Agree. I think Rand looks really good here.

pacelli
03-07-2013, 08:57 PM
McCain and Grahams main argument thrust is, America is a battle field.

So much for fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here.

The day you associate yourself with Al Queda is the day you become an imminent threat, because the organization you support is a threat.


Hear this, if the president thinks you are associated with Al Queda, you are a target.

Bingo and +rep. Nailed it.

anaconda
03-07-2013, 09:01 PM
Agree. I think Rand looks really good here.

The new hip and stylish GOP. The types that eloquently quote history, famous novels, and Renaissance playwrights while championing Constitutional rights.

NoOneButPaul
03-07-2013, 09:04 PM
Lately there is a political conspiracy to smear, slander and defame McCain. As the evidence clearly shows it would be absurd to try to blame McCain. With the political primaries there has been a figurative political assassination attempt to slander McCain by saying an insinuating that McCain murdered his crewmen by deliberately causing this mishap. The facts and evidence clearly shows that McCain was a victim and not responsible for this mishap. The real experts agree, the only "experts" that disagree are clearly politically motivated since the self-proclaimed "experts" bashing McCain didn't pop up until the election started heating up.

I find it despicable that these hateful political activists resort to slandering McCain a military veteran POW in good standing.

I have mixed feelings about McCain's politics. Regardless on how you feel about his politics you should respect the man for volunteering to go into harm's way to serve the military and his country and for being a POW and suffering torture that most people couldn't fathom.

I think these political activists that are spamming their slander should spend eternity in hell. I really wish someone with some legal expertise would find some way to file charges and prosecute them while they still are alive.
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As far as I know is the first time this video has been made readily available on the Internet to the GP when I posted this on Youtube. ;)

I think there is an old documentary VHS tape that might have this footage. And I have seen a few documentaries on cable TV that has SOME of this footage.


This tape is old and damaged. The video is poor but audio/narration is good. There is some better video out there but I think they have more film cut out.Some clipped and edited differently. This is just a short clip with some scenes often not shown.

http://forrestal.org/fidfacts/page13.htm

A ZUNI rocket was fired accidentally from an aircraft being readied for a mission on July 29, 1967. The rocket screamed across the flight deck, struck another aircraft and ignited a fuel fire. The initial fire could have been contained, but 90 seconds after the fire started a bomb detonated, killing or seriously wounding most of the fire fighters.

The detonation ruptured the flight deck, and burning fuel spilled into the lower levels of the ship. Bombs, warheads, and rocket motors exploded with varying egress of intensity in the fire, killing 134 and wounding 161 men. Twenty-one aircraft were destroyed

After this incident, the Navy established a flag level committee to pursue improvements to the systems used to control flight deck fuel fires. An ordnance safety program was also initiated to characterize flight deck fuel fires and study ways to delay the "cook-off" times of munitions. As a result; insulation is now applied to some bomb casings, delaying "cook-off" times 5 to 10 minutes in a fuel fire, but does not diminish the violence of its explosive reaction.
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Please be civil and don't use any vulgarities and such
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More info at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS...

http://www.sailorstotheend.com/sailor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2gy-...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzgV5Q...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdaD9I...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=chuiyXQKw3I

The things we miss when we don't actually click on the link...

J_White
03-07-2013, 10:28 PM
@JustinRaimondo

Lindsey Graham & John McCain are enemy combatants in the war on our liberties.

sums it up nicely !
these traitors need to be kicked out of the Senate.

anaconda
03-08-2013, 03:46 AM
@JustinRaimondo

Lindsey Graham & John McCain are enemy combatants in the war on our liberties.

Rand should use this in his next interview.

dancjm
03-08-2013, 05:05 AM
John McCain just tweeted:

#StandWithObama

Dianne
03-08-2013, 07:57 AM
Let's see if I get this.. John McCain who killed 134 sailors by accidentally launching a bomb, while he was "show boating" in his plane on the USS Forrestal wants to put drones in the hands of people like himself?

Do you all feel warm and fuzzy about now?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/rocket-causes-deadly-fire-on-aircraft-carrier

jtap
03-08-2013, 08:06 AM
I respect John McCain...

the young member of the Navy, but I do NOT respect John McCain the old Politician. He doesn't even respect young people and wouldn't respect his former self. He has changed and has nothing in common with what he once was. I liken it to many celebrities and people who get rich. The ego inflates and they morph into something else that has no element of what they were remaining.

cajuncocoa
03-08-2013, 08:20 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/541531_10151262848210653_1507065712_n.jpg

Bastiat's The Law
03-08-2013, 08:37 AM
Ouch!

No Free Beer
03-08-2013, 08:44 AM
wtf is a enemy combatant anyway.

What a bunch of hogwash

mosquitobite
03-08-2013, 08:49 AM
wtf is a enemy combatant anyway.

What a bunch of hogwash

That's what I've been blasting everywhere.

An enemy combatant that is an AMERICAN is just a redefinition of TRAITOR so they don't have to follow the Constitution.

If an American engages in combat against their homeland, they should be tried for TREASON... per the Constitution!

Matthew5
03-08-2013, 09:14 AM
The latest gem from McCain:


"It's always the wacko birds on right and left that get the media megaphone," McCain told Huffington Post's Jon Ward in a story titled "John McCain: Getting Back To Maverick, With An Eye On Retirement."


He added, "I think it can be harmful if there is a belief among the American people that those people are reflective of the views of the majority of Republicans. They're not."



Ward wrote: "I asked McCain to clarify who, specifically, he was talking about."



McCain said, "Rand Paul, Cruz, Amash, whoever."

AuH20
03-08-2013, 09:15 AM
The latest gem from McCain:

He would never dare talk like this if he wasn't just recently elected. I despise this man.

Kords21
03-08-2013, 09:16 AM
The latest gem from McCain:

That explains McCain's run in 2008. I thought he was pretty crazy then and still do. So glad I didn't vote for him in 2008.

Matthew5
03-08-2013, 09:58 AM
That explains McCain's run in 2008. I thought he was pretty crazy then and still do. So glad I didn't vote for him in 2008.

Solidifies that Obama was truly the lesser of two evils in '08.

brandon
03-08-2013, 10:55 AM
Solidifies that Obama was truly the lesser of two evils in '08.


Absolutely, but we already knew that back then too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/01/04/18627/mccain-100-years/?mobile=nc

jkob
03-08-2013, 10:59 AM
Wonder how long until Graham or McCain pull an Arlen Spector?

QuickZ06
03-08-2013, 11:00 AM
There is a special place in hell for these types.

brandon
03-08-2013, 11:02 AM
Wonder how long until Graham or McCain pull an Arlen Spector?


I'm sure if Democrats were the majority party in SC, Graham would have been one long ago.

Carlybee
03-08-2013, 11:04 AM
McCain is senile and Graham is a political whore.

acptulsa
03-08-2013, 11:06 AM
McCain is senile and Graham is a political whore.

McCain is also a political whore, and Graham has never been bright enough that you can tell if he's senile yet or not.

Carlybee
03-08-2013, 11:08 AM
McCain is also a political whore, and Graham has never been bright enough that you can tell if he's senile yet or not.


Both warmongers probably profiting from the war bidness.

acptulsa
03-08-2013, 11:12 AM
Both warmongers probably profiting from the war bidness.

Probably?

Check their political contributors some time. Death R Us.

liveandletlive
03-08-2013, 11:16 AM
interesting that McCain didnt call out.....RUBIO.

but did trash Rand and Ted.

ninepointfive
03-08-2013, 11:24 AM
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/338/11/338-1126203216-mccain-lieberman-graham3.jpg


damn - gave me the shivers - yes literally

RockEnds
03-08-2013, 11:29 AM
interesting that McCain didnt call out.....RUBIO.

but did trash Rand and Ted.

In fairness, Rubio didn't really say anything other than, "Water."

D.A.S.
03-08-2013, 11:46 AM
There is a special place in hell for these types.

Voting them out of the Senate would be close enough.

Now would be a good time for us to single out a SC candidate closest to our interests to primary Lindsey Graham and start sending some money in their direction. #PrimaryGraham is a good catchy slogan, but it needs a challenger to go with it where people can donate money!