Unmanned Drone comes within 200 Feet of Alitalia Jet as it was landing at JFK Int'l Airpor

[sailingaway]

Unmanned Drone comes within 200 Feet of Alitalia Jet as it was landing at John F Kennedy Int'l Airport

I wonder if this is the one the FBI lost?

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1021561/thumbs/r-DRONE-NYC-large570.jpg?6

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/05/drone-in-nycs-jfk-airport_n_2811271.html

[acptulsa]

The sorts of turbofan engine airliners use aren't known for happily ingesting metallic objects...

[Constitutional Paulicy]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/d8b4d1585f390d954b9736a3c7431b1c_L.jpg

Drone Nearly Collides with Commercial Airliner Over NYC; Feds "Know Nothing"
Friday, 08 March 2013 18:30
Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.


Questions: Who was controlling the drone? Why was it flying dangerously close to a commercial jetliner? Who owns the unmanned aerial vehicle? Who issued the license? Who knew of its flight path?

The FAA is the federal agency charged with issuing licenses for domestic drone controllers, but it claims it knows nothing about the drone in question.

The FBI says it’s in the dark, too.

more here.... http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/14728-drone-nearly-collides-with-commercial-airliner-over-nyc-feds-know-nothing

[Fivezeroes]

Very scary....

[VoluntaryAmerican]

All these planes and drones in American airspace... I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen more often.

Chalk it up to dumb luck.

[Zippyjuan]

The drone is believed to belong to some amateur. Not bigger than three feet across was one description.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-drone-jfk-airport-20130305,0,6890489.story

Reported drone near JFK probably a model aircraft, officials say

WASHINGTON—Federal officials believe a small aircraft that reportedly looked like a drone and flew close to a landing airliner at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York was probably a model aircraft sent aloft from Long Island.

Whatever the object, the FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration issued a public alert Tuesday seeking assistance in identifying the operator and the aircraft, which a nearby pilot described as “black in color and no more than 3 feet wide with four propellers.”

It was spotted about 1:15 p.m. Monday by the pilot of Alitalia Flight 608 as it approached runway 31R at JFK. The pilot radioed, “We saw a drone, a drone aircraft!” He said the aircraft had an altitude of about 1,500 feet and was about three miles from his plane. That would put it well past the 400-foot height restriction and far too close to the airport.

Law enforcement officials speculate that the craft had drifted off, or the operator lost control somewhere along the south shore of Long Island, and it wafted toward the airport, one of the nation’s busiest for international flights.

“Our paramount concern is the safety of aircraft passengers and crew,” said John Giacalone, the FBI’s special agent-in-charge in New York.

At the FAA in Washington, the immediate worry was a breach of airspace.

“Regardless of whether you’re operating as a public agency or a person flying a model aircraft for recreational purposes, you always have to give way to any other aircraft in the vicinity,” said Les Dorr, an FAA spokesman. “You’re not supposed to be flying over a major airport.”

Because no flight plan was filed with the air traffic tower at JFK, authorities believe it probably was sent up by a hobbyist flying a remote-controlled aircraft. “We’ve got no reason not to believe the Alitalia pilot that it was a drone," one FBI agent said.

[dancjm]

NM

[tasteless]

Weather balloon. Swamp gas. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The drone is believed to belong to some amateur. Not bigger than three feet across was one description.


Even if federally controlled, that sounds like a justification of why only the feds should be in charge of drones.

[TheGrinch]

The drone is believed to belong to some amateur. Not bigger than three feet across was one description.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-drone-jfk-airport-20130305,0,6890489.story

Oh, well if they say so, it must be true.

Do civilian models even go anywhere near 1,500 feet? Seems like you couldn't even see one if it went that high.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Do civilian models even go anywhere near 1,500 feet? Seems like you couldn't even see one if it went that high.

This is what I was questioning myself. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of readers don't even consider this to be highly questionable.

[kcchiefs6465]

The drone is believed to belong to some amateur. Not bigger than three feet across was one description.




Oh, well if they say so, it must be true.

Do civilian models even go anywhere near 1,500 feet? Seems like you couldn't even see one if it went that high.
This. Seems to me it has the potential of knocking out an engine or God knows what else. Even if it were an amateur, which I would somewhat doubt [maybe EPA or a college?] it is still very dangerous. I take it as, there are some consequences that have yet to be seen from this technology. Near misses, [or actual hits] surveillance, and the 'spoofing' to intercept them are just a few. I wonder how long it will be before a plane actually hits one, God forbid, and crashes. The debate hasn't even begun on these, though I'd imagine it is going to steer towards private civilians not being able to own them and only Federal agencies for State approved reasons being allowed to operate them. [whether that be good or bad reasons]

[AngryCanadian]

Must be this then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiSuvlDmE7s

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The debate hasn't even begun on these


DHS doesn't debate.

[acptulsa]

Oh, well if they say so, it must be true.

Do civilian models even go anywhere near 1,500 feet? Seems like you couldn't even see one if it went that high.

Black and with four propellers? Seriously? Model aircraft are, well, models of real aircraft, and I can't think of a single aircraft that is black and has four props. Two props, sure--the WWII A-26 and P-61 come to mind. But four prop engines? Can anyone think of such a thing?

I also can't find any evidence anyone makes any four-prop RC model with a wingspan of less than about eight feet. Anything with a three foot wingspan would be awfully light and awfully unstable for operating that high--and awfully hard to see once it got up there. It would have to be awfully, awfully close for people to be able to count the engines, too. But some of these new government drones which are more like helicopters than fixed wing aircraft minimize 'wingspan' and make counting props very easy. All the media would have to do is show a couple of pictures to a passenger to confirm or deny this theory. I can't help but notice that no one has done this yet...

Also, people have been known to be accosted by airport security back in the 1970s for flying kites in the approach lanes of airports. Most RC hobbyists are well aware that flying these near runways is seriously stupid and seriously frowned upon. And I don't think it can be done undetected, either.


Must be this then.

I thought somebody said something about visible propellers...

[P3ter_Griffin]

Something like this maybe? He gets it pretty dang high, and almost smokes a paraglider.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJtJCzcj57U

[rubioneocon]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/05/us-usa-newyork-drone-idUSBRE9240UN20130305
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Administration also sought information after the pilot of Alitalia Flight 608 from Rome to New York
reported the drone sighting at 1:15 p.m. on Monday, said FAA spokesman, Jim Peters.
"He saw a small, unmanned or remote-controlled aircraft while on final approach to Runway 31,"
the FAA said in a statement.
The craft, which was flying at an altitude of about 1,750 feet, came within 200 feet of the Alitalia plane,
FBI Special Agent in Charge John Giacalone said in a statement.


I google'd
alitalia 608 drone reuters
for a laundry list of confimatiory reports.

True or not . . . ?.

http://situationreports.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/feds-investigating-uav-incident-over-new-york/
Federal authorities are investigating what could have been one of the first midair collisions between a manned aircraft and
an unmanned “drone” over American soil.

At around 1:15 p.m. today, the pilot of Alitalia flight 608 from Rome, Italy to John F. Kennedy airport in New York reported seeing
a black, unmanned quadrocopter at an altitude of about 1,750 feet, according to the FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2013/fbi-seeks-publics-assistance-in-identifying-locating-unmanned-aircraft-and-operator), which is seeking public help to locate the vehicle’s operator.
The FBI report says the vehicle was about three miles from JFK’s runway, which puts it about a mile north of the western tip of Long Beach Island.

[Dr.3D]

Hitting that thing would be probably less of a hazard than hitting a goose.

[rubioneocon]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/05/us-usa-newyork-drone-idUSBRE9240UN20130305
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Administration also sought information after the pilot of Alitalia Flight 608 from Rome to New York
reported the drone sighting at 1:15 p.m. on Monday, said FAA spokesman, Jim Peters.
"He saw a small, unmanned or remote-controlled aircraft while on final approach to Runway 31,"
the FAA said in a statement.
The craft, which was flying at an altitude of about 1,750 feet, came within 200 feet of the Alitalia plane,
FBI Special Agent in Charge John Giacalone said in a statement.


Federal authorities are investigating what could have been one of the first midair collisions between a manned aircraft and
an unmanned “drone” over American soil.

At around 1:15 p.m. today, the pilot of Alitalia flight 608 from Rome, Italy to John F. Kennedy airport in New York reported seeing
a black, unmanned quadrocopter at an altitude of about 1,750 feet, . . .


Hitting that thing would be probably less of a hazard than hitting a goose.

So, like I thought . . .
this was just some modern day equivalents of buckwheat / alfalfa and da' gang (of terrorists)
playing with their Christmas toy three miles from JFK.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/buckwheatdrone001s_zps358814b6.jpg


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/JFKdrone001b_zps14a98b10.jpg

http://www.brookstone.com/parrot-ar-drone-2-quadricopter?bkeid=compare%7cmercent%7cgooglebasea ds%7csearch&mr:trackingCode=D32C0D3E-BE67-E111-B2BE-001B21A69EB0&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla&mr:ad=20923716804&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=40833042804&gclid=COHPyKST8LUCFcZFMgodUBsAdg

LOL . . .buckwheat you are in sooo much trouble, what am I gonna do with you ?

Rand is right

[Schifference]

Need to outlaw any flying objects from citizens. Only law enforcement should have the ability to own/operate such devices.

[acptulsa]

So, like I thought . . .
this was just some modern day equivalents of buckwheat / alfalfa and da' gang (of terrorists)
playing with their Christmas toy three miles from JFK.

And a mile off of Long Island, and a third of a mile up.


http://www.brookstone.com/parrot-ar-drone-2-quadricopter?bkeid=compare%7cmercent%7cgooglebasea ds%7csearch&mr:trackingCode=D32C0D3E-BE67-E111-B2BE-001B21A69EB0&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla&mr:ad=20923716804&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=40833042804&gclid=COHPyKST8LUCFcZFMgodUBsAdg

LOL . . .buckwheat you are in sooo much trouble, what am I gonna do with you ?

But...


Fly up to 165 feet from your Wi-Fi device

Buckwheat had nothing to do with it. This sounds like a professional-grade drone to me. As in, some governmental agency in the neighborhood did it and are playing like they didn't.

[rubioneocon]

And a mile off of Long Island, and a third of a mile up.



But...



Buckwheat had nothing to do with it. This sounds like a professional-grade drone to me. As in, some governmental agency in the neighborhood did it and are playing like they didn't.

Good pickup on the 165 foot ceiling for the toy . . .
So this is still on, thanks . . .



True or not . . . ?.

.

[Zippyjuan]

Air currents could carry it higher. They suspect it got out of range of the person flying it on the ground.