What project would you be more open to assisting?

[JoshLowry]

1766

We're right there in the middle right now determining objectives.

The Stellar Wind program that spies on everyone was put together with a similar spiral model of development.

[pcosmar]

4. Plan the next iteration.

We have been through 1-3.

[JoshLowry]

In a way, yes. We do have a nice base to springboard off of.

[sailingaway]

I don't like the first name, personally.

What is the actual project?

[JoshLowry]

Either compete with the UN, FoxNews, or both.

[sailingaway]

on information?

You don't like Liberty Forest News Network?

[Kotin]

Either compete with the UN, FoxNews, or both.

You know I'm in!!

[sailingaway]

You know I'm in!!

Well, me too. I'm just trying to figure out what it is... :p

[sailingaway]

We could solicit help to spread whatever it is on twitter.

--

edit, actually, looks like someone has already started: https://twitter.com/EconomicMayhem/status/309006740836466688

I'm off to vote and get some work done. I'll check back on this thread later.

[presence]

undividednations has too much of a NWO global governance twang



I'd be really interested in a liberty news wiki project where multiple users could formulate and add links and quotes to the article / OP. Especially if we could employ AI/karma techniques for article promotion and anonymous article comments.

I could also see how RPF could more easily become a news portal than creating a whole new site.

[belian78]

Start in our own backyard. We don't need to try and attempt to 'compete' with the UN, we need to re-educate and reawaken our fellow citizens here first.

[JoshLowry]

on information?

Yes, on information with LPPNews. UndividedNations would try and get voluntary consent while pointing out how the UN would restrict freedoms and flow of information.

You don't like Liberty Forest News Network?

Liberty, Prosperity, and Peace rang loud and clear when Ron said it in 2007 at the Iowa Straw Poll.

It also seems like it would be harder to co-opt and smear.

At this point trying to gauge which has more excitement behind it and which would have a larger effect over the long run. (seems to be pretty clear at this point)

There will be a lot of brainstorming to do.


You know I'm in!!

We just need about fifty more of your and sailingaway likes and if we can get on the same page - unstoppable.

[belian78]

I have 15+ years of sales/marketing/management/public speaking experience I would offer if it were the right project. I would love to put my skills to work actually making lasting change in this country.

[amy31416]

Competing with the UN sounds very interesting. Any help I could provide might be a bit patchy due to internet connectivity though.

[pcosmar]

Start in our own backyard. We don't need to try and attempt to 'compete' with the UN, we need to re-educate and reawaken our fellow citizens here first.
Yup.. The UN was a bad Idea from inception,, back when it was League of Nations..
No sense trying to compete with or improve on a Bad Idea.

Education and information could be a better direction. Though I have doubts of competing with the MSM.
Not exactly a level playing field.

[JoshLowry]

Education and information could be a better direction. Though I have doubts of competing with the MSM.
Not exactly a level playing field.

I think I'm gonna have to agree that local (news/education) is better first.

We aren't exactly known for dedicating time to fair competitions.

;)

[pcgame]

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[JoshLowry]

LibertyProsperityPeace.com

I think it's better to use a shorter domain name which focuses on what we're selling, news, while that one can/will be used to point to the LPP site.

[amy31416]

Well, I'm the only one to pick option one--but I'm willing to help with two as well to whatever extent I can. I'll try to recruit Kludge for any economic (specifically Bitcoin?) need there might be, but he's currently working nights, 6 days/week--so he'll be limited as well. By the way, we're involved with the "Stossel in the Classroom" project for whatever that's worth. (Just grading student essays currently.)

[nayjevin]

Education and information could be a better direction. Though I have doubts of competing with the MSM.
Not exactly a level playing field.

Drudge happened, and compared to a barebones website idea like google, pretty much sucks. The Internet, and particularly information dissemination,is WIDE open right now.

As to the OP, if it were a tab on this website I would be working on it all the time. If it's a new startup somewhere else with a separate signup or facebook It would have to be a perfect fit for me. Which it probably will be :)

[kathy88]

I have 15+ years of sales/marketing/management/public speaking experience I would offer if it were the right project. I would love to put my skills to work actually making lasting change in this country.

I have 20+ of the same, with some finance and oil and gas real estate mingled in. Prefer editing/writing over speaking. Love the PR stuff.

[ClydeCoulter]

I would like to help, if I can be of any assistance.

edit: I voted "both" although getting our own house in order is probably more benificial in the shorter term, but I can see that the whole world is yearning to be born.

Oh, and I'm a geek, C#, windows client/server programing (.net remoting, etc), 3D modeling, 3d programing, graphics editing...

[fr33]

I'm down wit LPP.

[belian78]

I have 20+ of the same, with some finance and oil and gas real estate mingled in. Prefer editing/writing over speaking. Love the PR stuff.
See, I'm more of the public speaker myself, I prefer face to face interaction. Giving interactive lectures, teaching, announcing... all things I would love to do. I'm currently working on making my own recordings of BELLATOR (an MMA organization) fight cards to send to them, I'd love to take that current announcer's job. LOL :p

[kcchiefs6465]

undividednations has too much of a NWO global governance twang



I'd be really interested in a liberty news wiki project where multiple users could formulate and add links and quotes to the article / OP. Especially if we could employ AI/karma techniques for article promotion and anonymous article comments.

I could also see how RPF could more easily become a news portal than creating a whole new site.
Now this is a good idea. Different topics where people could add their source and links. A simple liberty themed website where beginners to advanced and anyone in between can find topics easily to research thoroughly. Where if information is incorrect it could be challenged and changed. I somewhat tried to get something like that going in hot topics but it failed.

Maybe have subfolders such as here to make it all the more easy to find. A foreign policy subforum with topics from 1940s Syria to 2013 Mali and everything inbetween, for example. Have your sources there and recommended reading etc. I think it has the potential for rivaling anything out.

I'm not sure how much of a help I would be but I'm all for it, Josh. Let me know if you have anything in mind.

[JoshLowry]

Yes, those are good ideas.

Crowdsourcing is what made wikipedia great. There will still be a strong form of editorial control, I don't like the pseudo-free for all that reddit has become. There is plenty of gaming that has gone on at both sites I'd like to see cut out.

Something that puts defenses up against co-option by tracking where contributing users come from. I'd like to see the use of real names rather than AI.

Some kind of a recommendation system/voting/pyramid scheme for good/downlines that show where users are coming from and what kind of a quality user they are.

Profiles and records of the media talking heads and their records of calling libertarians fascists while supporting the likes of Bachmann, Santorum, or Cain over Ron.

[jcannon98188]

Yes, those are good ideas.

Crowdsourcing is what made wikipedia great. There will still be a strong form of editorial control, I don't like the pseudo-free for all that reddit has become. There is plenty of gaming that has gone on at both sites I'd like to see cut out.

Something that puts defenses up against co-option by tracking where contributing users come from. I'd like to see the use of real names rather than AI.

Some kind of a recommendation system/voting/pyramid scheme for good/downlines that show where users are coming from and what kind of a quality user they are.

Profiles and records of the media talking heads and their records of calling libertarians fascists while supporting the likes of Bachmann, Santorum, or Cain over Ron.

I think a system where anyone can submit news (a la wiki) mixed with a team of editors to content check and whatnot would workout immensely. That way we can prevent co-opting. I know I would love to donate time as a editor or whatever. Also, I know a little bit of python and can learn any computer programming language necesarry. We can do this!

[presence]

Just adding a tagging system to RPF and portal page that linked to various tags would improve news dissemination here. Just like the porno sites:

links for butt, butt plug, nice butt, big butt, bbw butt, teen butt, black butt, asian butt...

Not that I would know.... butt you hear me...



Gun
Gun control
seized
tsa
irs
dhs
drug war
financial collapse
cop shot dog
iran
israel
syria
etc etc


you know... all the important keywords; I'm sure we could come up with 500 common tags in no time, especially if we created a user generated system, even if we routed our searches through google to save bandwidth, ie: site:www.ronpaulforums.com

[Brian4Liberty]

So, this will be Internet-based?

It sounds like a kind of Breitbart or Zero Hedge, with a limited number of contributors and editors. Would it be original material, commentary on other articles, or just posting of outside articles? I'd assume that each entry would have a comments section, fairly open, yet still moderated. Video would be interesting, but that is a little harder to produce quality material.

[jcannon98188]

Not that I would know.... butt you hear me...
What you did there. I see it.

[sailingaway]

Just adding tweet the thread links if it can be done would help spread stuff. Maybe not have it in some forums?

[Pericles]

Let's go. I can write more eloquently than I post - I'd actually take the time to refine my thoughts and language syntax.

[JoshLowry]

Yes, similar to those sites or what prison planet was gearing towards, with a little less of the AJ antics.

I'd like to see all the important info from a day boiled down to a summary. View summaries of daily, weekly, or monthly info.

If there is an important article, like the UN saying the US States are screwing their plans up, or drones being seen at JFK, those should be reported in our own unique way on our own individual pages to encourage people to link to us instead of a FoxNews.com or an AP article hosted on Yahoo.

Coordinate with some of the lone cats already producing content out there that we like and ask them for ideas on what they would like to see on an ideal news site.

Unique video will get us the most exposure on the web, so it will be an important task in developing.

[kcchiefs6465]

I would add to my idea of a wiki type website that I'd like it to be alphabetized or for my example of foreign policy I'd like to see it arranged by date. 1949,1953 etc. with different military coups and plots. Maybe have a section completely dedicated to it. A subforum of a subforum. For example, Foreign Polic could be broken down into Military coups and plots, Current affairs, etc. Just so when someone hears the tv lady speak about Syria and the uprising, they could say, you know what, I have a link to our past actions in Syria and read about them. The same with Iran. I'd like to see a place where everything liberty related could be found along with sources and recommended books on the subject. Have a page dedicated solely to the facts of the Federal Reserve for example, with sources, and recommended books. Maybe have a link such as 'Start a discussion' or whatever where instead of the wiki page being crowded with discussion it could direct them to a members area for discussion.

I'd also like to keep a section for current events. Something like this site where various stories can be posted and discussed. Are you planning on expanding this site, or completely starting from scratch?

[sailingaway]

Yes, similar to those sites or what prison planet was gearing towards, with a little less of the AJ antics.

I'd like to see all the important info from a day boiled down to a summary. View summaries of daily, weekly, or monthly info.

If there is an important article, like the UN saying the US States are screwing their plans up, or drones being seen at JFK, those should be reported in our own unique way on our own individual pages to encourage people to link to us instead of a FoxNews.com or an AP article hosted on Yahoo.

Coordinate with some of the lone cats already producing content out there that we like and ask them for ideas on what they would like to see on an ideal news site.

Unique video will get us the most exposure on the web, so it will be an important task in developing.

I was wondering about that. Sort of a home page for a 'network'? Because there are a lot of fragmented people just out doing stuff.

[JoshLowry]

Yes, highlight those that have consistently reported accurately.

Both link aggregation and production.

[sailingaway]

Yes, highlight those that have consistently reported accurately.

Both link aggregation and production.

that is the issue. A nut to crack.

[Brian4Liberty]

One place to look for contributors would be blog entries right here on RFP. If it is the type or quality that is being sought for content, maybe they would be willing to help.

Breaking: Hugo Chavez is dead.

[Kotin]

Perhaps Ben Swann would be interested in getting involved with this effort? He would bring a lot to the project.. And if we ever wanted a real live news show then he is the guy to know..

[The Northbreather]

I'll buy/allocate advertising space if the project is sound

[nayjevin]

I'm getting too many ideas to write about. I like where this is headed.

Ya'all are some liked minds. :D

[Todd]

I think LPP would be the better choice of the two as it would be all encompassing.

[acptulsa]

I have two suggestions:

Quote of the Week. Lends entertainment value (if we use entertaining quotes, of course), and helps it stand apart from the crowd.

Historical content. Because a bunch of us are paleocons for a reason, because Ken Burns has proven it can be a hot sell, and because those who refuse to learn from it are doomed to repeat it. Besides, history is really only boring if you rewrite it to fit your agenda. The real thing actually tends to be pretty lively.

[awake]

My artistic abilities are at your disposal.

[muh_roads]

I think Frank Luntz was right when it came to the use of the word Liberty in our message. He said the word "Freedom" is something more people can grasp an understanding of.

Whatever final name you come up with...if it involves "Liberty", I vote to use the word Freedom instead.

[kcchiefs6465]

I have two suggestions:

Quote of the Week. Lends entertainment value (if we use entertaining quotes, of course), and helps it stand apart from the crowd.

Historical content. Because a bunch of us are paleocons for a reason, because Ken Burns has proven it can be a hot sell, and because those who refuse to learn from it are doomed to repeat it. Besides, history is really only boring if you rewrite it to fit your agenda. The real thing actually tends to be pretty lively.
I like the quote of the week idea. A short, sweet, logical sentence can attract many people who might have interests in a liberty philosophy but really haven't researched much. I can think of a few Lysander Spooner quotes to get us started.

[acptulsa]

I like the quote of the week idea. A short, sweet, logical sentence can attract many people who might have interests in a liberty philosophy but really haven't researched much. I can think of a few Lysander Spooner quotes to get us started.

I can think of several Mark Twain quotes, too. And I know this crowd can come up with some choice Mencken.

Furthermore, there's a few hundred fine Will Rogers quotes around here somewhere...

[kcchiefs6465]

I can think of several Mark Twain quotes, too. And I know this crowd can come up with some choice Mencken.

Furthermore, there's a few hundred fine Will Rogers quotes around here somewhere...
You inspired me to make a thread in off topics. I've got a good Henry Ford quote as the first one, trying to see how popular the thread is going to become. Feel free to post a few. :)

[TheTexan]

I object to the first name as well

[acptulsa]

You inspired me to make a thread in off topics. I've got a good Henry Ford quote as the first one, trying to see how popular the thread is going to become. Feel free to post a few. :)

Um, thank you, I sort of have...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?130543-Sir-Rogers-de-Claremore

But I may shuffle through some Twain later and add to your thread too...

[sailingaway]

I think Frank Luntz was right when it came to the use of the word Liberty in our message. He said the word "Freedom" is something more people can grasp an understanding of.

Whatever final name you come up with...if it involves "Liberty", I vote to use the word Freedom instead.

I guess I disagree. 'Freedom' has been tainted by the Frank Lunz's of the world. Everything Goldwaterite made 'freedom' was converted by neoconservatives. Liberty is the new popular term, and we and Ron made it so. Even CPAC is sending out stuff as 'part of the Liberty Caucus' now.

We shouldn't be the only ones to avoid our own terminology. Although if they end up tainting that... we should be nimble.

[Matt Collins]

1- Make a plan
2- ????
3- Profit!

[Tod]

There is a Freedom News Network and a Liberty News Network and Liberty Classroom....

Liberty has a nice ring to it. Too bad WW didn't cry Li-ber-ty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE

[opal]

I went with choice B.. agreeing about the global agenda sound to the first one. I don't know if I'd be of any use in the planning/prep of such an undergoing. I'd probably be more useful as a feedback on end user experiences.. sort of like beta testing a product. I do have some photoshop experience and a good eye for color if that helps at all.

I like the idea of getting Ben Swann involved #libertyisrising is just so catchy

[ClydeCoulter]

1- Make a plan
2- ????
3- Profit!

??? Really ???

[ClydeCoulter]

I can see a need for "offshoot" subthreads to take particular arguments, whether personal or intellectual, down another path that can "rejoin" the original thread at some point. I think along the lines of exiting the freeway to take the side roads for a bit then get back on the freeway down the road, perhaps bringing in some conclusion or discussion to be brought back into the main thread. (thinking out loud). Discussion back-page on steriods?

[Bern]

Josh - have you seen the platform that seekingalpha.com uses? I think with a little tweaking, their platform would be a good vehicle for your project.

[parocks]

Am a bit confused here, but I like. Something to compete with the UN seems a bit much. So I think I'm in favor of the one that isn't competing with the UN.

[JoshLowry]

Josh - have you seen the platform that seekingalpha.com uses? I think with a little tweaking, their platform would be a good vehicle for your project.Not before, thanks.Do you know if the site is using packaged software like vBulletin or is it their own code?

[acptulsa]

I love liberty, and love the word liberty. But it has been used just enough that we might have to consider a name that doesn't use it.

Anti-Slant News. News Not Fit to Print. Anti-Establishment News. Internet Truth Network. Facts Without Slant. Anti-Spin Network. Or something along those lines?

I kind of like a spin on Fox News. How about Underdog News? I wonder how cheap we could get rights to a logo?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tEVsRLhet2k/0.jpg

[acptulsa]

..
'Nothing makes a man, or a body of men, as mad as the truth. If there is no truth in it, they laugh it off.'--Will Rogers

[Matt Collins]

??? Really ???

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/profit

[scrosnoe]

on information?

You don't like Liberty Forest News Network?

this one would be my fav!

[Bern]

Not before, thanks.Do you know if the site is using packaged software like vBulletin or is it their own code?

No, I don't know. You could try sending an inquiry to their webmaster or administrative contact.

BTW, I didn't explain what I meant and visiting the site doesn't make it obvious if you don't sign up for an (free) account. It combines some aspects of blogging (anyone can create an account and post stories and other members can comment), facebook/twitter/social networking (anyone with an account can "follow" another member or topic tag and get email alerts when new posts are published) and slashdot/reddit (posts can be scored for popularity).

[JoshLowry]

1775

Something a friend made for fun.

[kcchiefs6465]

1775

Something a friend made for fun.
Not bad.. a little refining and I could definitely see it working. I like the colors, maybe use a lighter blueish purple?

[Bern]

BTW, if you are angling for a news network, I like Liberty Forest Network (LFN) much better than LPP. $.02

[nayjevin]

BTW, if you are angling for a news network, I like Liberty Forest Network (LFN) much better than LPP. $.02

I like Liberty Prosperity Peace as a descriptor of practically any other kind of project I've seen... seems like 'News Network' or something similar needs to appear in this.

I like Liberty ______ Network and I like it being affiliated with this website with a goal of growing the community (not just forum posters, but other activities around the site as well.)

[fr33]

If you aren't on the radio or television, using "Network" in your name seems a bit silly to me. From the description Josh gave it sounds more like a "Project" to me.

[Brian4Liberty]

In hour 12 of Rand's filibuster, he wouldn't want to say or hear any acronym that includes "PP".

;)