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donnay
03-02-2013, 08:15 PM
How Stand Your Ground Against Tyranny
You have to right to refuse to answer questions or demands from fed thugs

Matt Mills writes: Checkpoints (some would say illegal checkpoints) have been popping up quite frequently in the US (S)A. As you see in this video, you DO NOT have to comply with their question's or demands. Don't forget, you have rights.

Please watch all of this video and notice the tactics used against US citizens to try and entrap them. Mills is outstanding is his relentless refusal to comply with these tyrannical thugs, who eventually cave-in to go on their way. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! (14:43)

http://lewrockwell.com/yk/stand-your-ground.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u4Ku17CqdZg#!

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
03-03-2013, 06:04 AM
"No thanks." lol

bolil
03-03-2013, 06:14 AM
Wait, I know, piss yourself and vomit.

BAllen
03-03-2013, 12:00 PM
The police are right in this case. We need to get rid of illegals. Shrink the labor pool.

fr33
03-03-2013, 01:06 PM
The police are right in this case. We need to get rid of illegals. Shrink the labor pool.

Of course our resident police-state apologist BAllen chimes in.

You are wrong. The police are not right to violate my rights with these checkpoints. If they do have that right, then I say let every illegal immigrant flood this place because there's nothing left worth fighting for.

BAllen
03-03-2013, 01:11 PM
Of course our resident police-state apologist BAllen chimes in.

You are wrong. The police are not right to violate my rights with these checkpoints. If they do have that right, then I say let every illegal immigrant flood this place because there's nothing left worth fighting for.

Tell you what. You eliminate the regulations in housing and business and I'll be the first in line to support open borders and the elimination of the minimum wage. Until then, I support shrinking the labor pool by getting rid of illegals and reducing legal immigration. Can't have open market on labor until there is open market in other areas to compensate for lower wages. It's just that simple.

The Northbreather
03-03-2013, 01:37 PM
The police are right in this case. We need to get rid of illegals. Shrink the labor pool.

The police are never right in asking you to present your papers.

You want to give the "officer on the scene" the choice of who to single out for harassment? This is called tyranny. It will only increase if not resisted.

What right does an armed goverment thug to ask ANY OF YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS OR IDENTIFICATION..... None.

otherone
03-03-2013, 01:39 PM
You are wrong. The police are not right to violate my rights with these checkpoints. If they do have that right, then I say let every illegal immigrant flood this place because there's nothing left worth fighting for.

Where do the fascist apologists stop? If checkpoints are ok, is it ok for cops to conduct warrantless block-by-block home searches? I mean, as long as they collect immigrants, it's ok, right? If you got nothin' to hide, what's the problem, right?

BAllen
03-03-2013, 01:44 PM
The police are never right in asking you to present your papers.

You want to give the "officer on the scene" the choice of who to single out for harassment? This is called tyranny. It will only increase if not resisted.

What right does an armed goverment thug to ask ANY OF YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS OR IDENTIFICATION..... None.

Where do they have the right to regulate business, or housing, or welfare? But they do it anyway, don't they? Do you support that, as well?
You can't grant liberty in one area, without freeing up everything else. And the areas I mentioned are not free, so there is no point in even discussing free market labor until that is fixed.

MRK
03-03-2013, 01:49 PM
The police are right in this case. We need to get rid of illegals. Shrink the labor pool.

lol

The Northbreather
03-03-2013, 01:57 PM
Where do they have the right to regulate business, or housing, or welfare? But they do it anyway, don't they? Do you support that, as well?
You can't grant liberty in one area, without freeing up everything else. And the areas I mentioned are not free, so there is no point in even discussing free market labor until that is fixed.

So you are saying that because we already have less freedom in other areas that we should restrict freedom across the board???

Uh. Are you serious and just don't understand or just trolling this thread.

Appeal to authority/fear/two wrongs make a right = FAIL

BAllen
03-03-2013, 02:01 PM
Business Restaurant owner squealing about labor:
I want cheap labor!! People should be able to cross the border without papers.
Liberty person: Okay, so you would like to hire this mexican for 10 dollars a day, right?
Businessman: yeah, yeah that's right! Free market.
Liberty person: Well, gues what? We're going to liberate everything! This mexican is going to open up his own restaurant to compete with yours. Since business is deregulated as well, he won't have to buy all that equipment that you have, so he'll have less overhead, and can drive you out of business. Oh, and that nice house you live in? Well that's been deregulated as well. With no zoning, we'll be moving trailers in right next to your brick home. Course, the value of your home will drop, as well.
Businessman: What??!! You can't do that!! I've got a shitload of money tied up in my business! It's not fair that he can open up without all that. I can't compete! And I have a lot of equity in my house. Trailers in my neighborhood will ruin that!!
Liberty person: So you only want libery if it benefits YOU.

UMULAS
03-03-2013, 02:04 PM
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The Northbreather
03-03-2013, 02:11 PM
Business Restaurant owner squealing about labor:
I want cheap labor!! People should be able to cross the border without papers.
Liberty person: Okay, so you would like to hire this mexican for 10 dollars a day, right?
Businessman: yeah, yeah that's right! Free market.
Liberty person: Well, gues what? We're going to liberate everything! This mexican is going to open up his own restaurant to compete with yours. Since business is deregulated as well, he won't have to buy all that equipment that you have, so he'll have less overhead, and can drive you out of business. Oh, and that nice house you live in? Well that's been deregulated as well. With no zoning, we'll be moving trailers in right next to your brick home. Course, the value of your home will drop, as well.
Businessman: What??!! You can't do that!! I've got a shitload of money tied up in my business! It's not fair that he can open up without all that. I can't compete! And I have a lot of equity in my house. Trailers in my neighborhood will ruin that!!
Liberty person: So you only want libery if it benefits YOU.

Oh I see. You want me to live in fear of those stereotyped "they'll ruin merica" mexicans.

I think you're looking for the collectivist movement. Next door down.

NoOneButPaul
03-03-2013, 02:24 PM
Where do they have the right to regulate business, or housing, or welfare? But they do it anyway, don't they? Do you support that, as well?
You can't grant liberty in one area, without freeing up everything else. And the areas I mentioned are not free, so there is no point in even discussing free market labor until that is fixed.

By this same line of logic if we can't grant liberty in anything without granting it in everything at once how can it ever be granted at all?

Since we can't grant it in everything at once then we should just do nothing? What kind of logic is that?


These checkpoints are wrong and this video is a wonderful demonstration of how to act. Not being a punk, just sticking to the point...

otherone
03-03-2013, 02:26 PM
I think you're looking for the collectivist movement. Next door down.

lol. EVERY door down.

The Northbreather
03-03-2013, 02:38 PM
lol. EVERY door down.

Totally

acptulsa
03-03-2013, 02:42 PM
Where do they have the right to regulate business, or housing, or welfare? But they do it anyway, don't they? Do you support that, as well?
You can't grant liberty in one area, without freeing up everything else. And the areas I mentioned are not free, so there is no point in even discussing free market labor until that is fixed.

You're right in that the cure for the inconveniences caused by liberty in one narrow aspect is more liberty.

You're wrong in arguing that this bit of totalitarianism is rightly justified by totalitarianism in other areas.

See how that works?

Carson
03-03-2013, 02:54 PM
Think of it as the person you've sent out to keep your home safe from invasion.

Would you really think the person assigned to the task shouldn't have way to deal with home invaders. Would you really leave yourself only one option in dealing with them; letting them eat you out of house and home? Let them and their criminal buddies here call all of the shots?

Keep in mind your just playing illegal aliens into the hands of criminals in business. Businesses used to go through legal channels and brought in truly skilled people from all over the world. We worked side by side for the same wages and benefits.

Since them the pendulum has swung to taking advantage of workers. Not just illegal workers but we are all being played against each other and stripped of not only wages and benefits but our very countries themselves. It is a global looting of the resources while the true owners of the resource are given nothing including any respect. Sure it may peeve us at times being checked but I've seen some of the benefits.

Even though checking identification can be abused it also could be a good tool in restoring law and order...globally.


How else are we going to know which line to put you in? :)


P.S. I remember back to the Sheriff Taylor and Barney Fife days. We were very young, though I don't think we thought so. There was curfews and things then. The cops were real dicks at times checking ID's. Couldn't hardly get away with anything.

Looking back it could be that they weren't so much dicks as people who cared.


P.S. Sort of a two way street it seems.


P.S.P.S. There still are a lots of good men and women like Barney and Taylor in law enforcement, I think. Some times you can tell talking to them. Others it the look in their eyes.

I think many feel they have to walk a tight line right now and remain sort of silent. Then don't we all.

Carson
03-03-2013, 03:04 PM
Wait, I know, piss yourself and vomit.


Why is that arousing me?????

Anti Federalist
03-03-2013, 03:14 PM
Why is that arousing me?????

:eek:

BAllen
03-03-2013, 06:08 PM
So you are saying that because we already have less freedom in other areas that we should restrict freedom across the board???

Uh. Are you serious and just don't understand or just trolling this thread.

Appeal to authority/fear/two wrongs make a right = FAIL

There are a lot of liberty issues at stake here. All I'm saying is choose your battles. Assign prioroties, and fix the most pressing problems first. Third world people support socialism. Propaganda reaches into mexico telling them how to get benefits when they get to America. Socialists politicans want to legalize and welcome as many as can get here. Do you not stop to ask why this is? What would you offer a third worlder coming to this country? Nothing. Your 'freedom' speech will reach deaf ears. They will take the socialist bribe money every time. And you honestly think they're going to give that up for an unpredictable free market? You are truly delusional. I've shown a video of a meeting with lawyers group that cheats American workers out of jobs for the purpose of hiring foreigners even though there are qualified Americans available.

donnay
03-03-2013, 07:00 PM
The police are right in this case. We need to get rid of illegals. Shrink the labor pool.



50 to 75 to 100 miles from the border? They are not interested in stopping illegal aliens. :rolleyes: It's to acclimate the American citizens to obey orders and show your papers.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOoa3kbnQBM

phill4paul
03-03-2013, 07:15 PM
This is a great video donnay! I ran across it before this post and posted it to FB ( I know, I know, tell AF ...I know!). I was amazed at the responses. Some people (progressives I know) had know idea that the "Fourth Amendment Free Zone" affected 2/3rds of the population.

Carson
03-04-2013, 06:28 PM
Wait, I know, piss yourself and vomit.

Why is that arousing me?????

:eek:

It was kind if a sick joke referring to this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?405664-How-to-Avoid-Rape&p=4894654#post4894654

jmdrake
03-04-2013, 07:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QexXe9NWO8Q

BAllen
03-04-2013, 07:09 PM
50 to 75 to 100 miles from the border? They are not interested in stopping illegal aliens. :rolleyes: It's to acclimate the American citizens to obey orders and show your papers.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOoa3kbnQBM

And you have proof of that?