HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT DISARMS GUNMAN…GETS SUSPENDED?

[sailingaway]

A Florida high school student wrestled a loaded gun away from another teen on the bus ride home this week and was slapped with a suspension in return.

The 16-year-old Cypress Lake High student in Fort Myers, Fla. told WFTX-TV there was “no doubt” he saved a life after grappling for the loaded .22 caliber revolver being aimed point-blank at another student on Tuesday.

“I think he was really going to shoot him right then and there,” said the suspended student, not identified by WFTX because of safety concerns. “Not taking no pity.”

The student said the suspect, a football player, threatened to shoot a teammate because he had been arguing with his friend.

Authorities confirmed to WFTX the weapon was indeed loaded, and the arrest report stated the suspect, identified by WVZN-TV as Quadryle Davis, was “pointing the gun directly” at the other student and “threatening to shoot him.”

That’s when, the teen told the station, he and two others tackled the suspect and wrestled the gun away. The next day, all three were suspended.

“How they going to suspend me for doing the right thing?” he asked.

The school’s referral slip said he was given an “emergency suspension” for being involved in an “incident” with a weapon. Lee County School District spokesman Alberto Rodriguez said in a statement that “If there is a potentially dangerous situation, Florida law allows the principal to suspend a student immediately pending a hearing.”

more and video at link http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/02/high-school-student-disarms-gunman-gets-suspended/

cowards at best, those administrators.

[Philhelm]

Insane.

[acptulsa]

Save a life, get suspended.

I'd demand a written reprimand, so I could wear it as a commendation. As it is, they won't even release his name. Is this because it's policy for those under age, or because they don't want him hailed as a hero?

Keep doing the right thing, kid. Don't ever let them beat you down for it.

[Philhelm]

Keep doing the right thing, kid. Don't ever let them beat you down for it.

Why should he do the right thing now?

[kcchiefs6465]

Why should he do the right thing now?
To not die?

[Anti Federalist]

Why should he do the right thing now?

Pretty much the point of police/prison state.

Cower in fear and total compliance.

[kcchiefs6465]

The school I went to suspended you for defending yourself as well. [someone hits you and you hit them back] No one ever disarmed a student with a gun but I'd imagine they would have done the same thing.

[tttppp]

He does get a hearing, so this suspension bs should be wiped off his record.

[Origanalist]

Why should he do the right thing now?

Because it's the right thing.

[fisharmor]

Zero tolerance. He probably touched it, after all.

[FSP-Rebel]

He does get a hearing, so this suspension bs should be wiped off his record.
The dude and the entire damn community should be demanding the scalp of the administrator that would even dare suspend 3 heros from school. I'm talking fired, no pension, made the laughing stock of the city and forbidden from ever having another line of employment in any school, forever.

[jkr]

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[James Madison]

It's all about training you to be a slave. If the people ever realize they have the right to defend themselves against an aggressor, that means they also have the right to defend themselves against their own government. That's quite a dangerous predicament for our benevolent dictators. Their solution is to provide state-authorized guardians whose job it is to 'protect and serve', easing the minds of the citizenry, while combating those dangerous individuals whose actions are not authorized by the state.

[TomtheTinker]

Why should he do the right thing now?

Because that's what we do.

Good people do the right thing no matter what..consequences be damned.

[DamianTV]

Wake up guys, this is America, you are not allowed to defend yourself, your rights, your property, your anything, or those things of anyone else when threatened. You are forcibly required by law to be comletely dependant on the Govt to provide your defense for you. Your Govt has absolutely no requirement to provide you these defenses to you.

Innocense is a Crime.

Being a Victim is a Crime.

Defense is a Crime.

Resistance is a Crime.

The only ones protected by the law are the Criminals, this includes the ones that seek to harm another, those who hold High Positions in Political Office, and those in Govt who answer to those who hold High Positions in Political Office. Now please excuse me while I go bitch in another thread about a Politician who wants to pass a law that says 5 year olds shall not resist attempts by Police Officers when charged with the crime of chewing on chewing gum that does not contain Aspartame or some other alcohol based sugar.

And for the record, DO NOT TALK TO COPS.

[thoughtomator]

I got suspended once too for defending myself. I said thanks for the vacation.

[DamianTV]

I got suspended once too for defending myself. I said thanks for the vacation.

And people actually wonder how we "Pussify Americans"?

[kcchiefs6465]

I got suspended once too for defending myself. I said thanks for the vacation.
Likewise. As fisharmor stated, they said they have a zero tolerance policy. The kid I was fighting even punched the teacher in the chest. They had to call the ambulance for him because he was having chest pains. [it was clear who was in the wrong] They acknowledged that I was simply defending myself so that's why it was only three days instead of ten. I really didn't mind.

[tttppp]

The dude and the entire damn community should be demanding the scalp of the administrator that would even dare suspend 3 heros from school. I'm talking fired, no pension, made the laughing stock of the city and forbidden from ever having another line of employment in any school, forever.



I think you are overreacting. He gets a free vacation and his name will be cleared at the hearing.

[kcchiefs6465]

I think you are overreacting. He gets a free vacation and his name will be cleared at the hearing.
While that may be true I think the bigger question is where did all the common sense go? These damn pencil pushers seem to only see black and white. There is a grey area where most people live.

They should be commended as heroes. And if I were one of their parents it would be a very long day for them.

[tttppp]

While that may be true I think the bigger question is where did all the common sense go? These damn pencil pushers seem to only see black and white. There is a grey area where most people live.

They should be commended as heroes. And if I were one of their parents it would be a very long day for them.

Thats nothing new. If you defend youself in a fight, you are still considered to be in a fight and get disciplined. Its stupid, but thats how it works everywhere. Ever watch sports?

It didnt sound like they were out to get this guy so as soon as he tells his story, he should be cleared.

[Tod]

They are just upset because he stopped the creation of another incident they were hoping to use to further sway public opinion towards gun control.

drat.

[kcchiefs6465]

Thats nothing new. If you defend youself in a fight, you are still considered to be in a fight and get disciplined. Its stupid, but thats how it works everywhere. Ever watch sports?

It didnt sound like they were out to get this guy so as soon as he tells his story, he should be cleared.
Well with regards to sports it's usually who the ref sees doing the fighting. Guy shoves, other guy shoves back and he gets the penalty. Common sense seems to be dead where everything seems to be to the extreme. Either it is - or it isn't. I don't think they understand that most situations fall in the middle of the two and deserve to be judged individually. Take a fight for example, they either see it as, you were involved in the fight, or you weren't. They don't figure on whether you were defending yourself, or protecting another person. A lot of the laws are like that as well. The thread about teens sexting other teens and being charged with child pornography is illuminating. The DA made the case that, well since the law doesn't differentiate between whether it's two teens who are in love or what have you, they would all be charged with child pornagraphy. I found myself thinking, use some common sense you pencil pushing prick, of course the law wasn't intended for children to be charged with child pornagraphy for sending pictures to their boyfriend/girlfriend or whatever of the respective age. Same with the fighting rules in school. The principal needs to use some damn common sense. Disarming a person with a gun is not what the rules against fighting were implemented for.

[malkusm]

I think mostly, these days, everyone in a position of power is worried about disciplinary action from their higher-ups. Common sense and good decision-making goes out the window. It's much easier, and draws less criticism, to suspend everyone equally rather than to sort out the instigators from the victims.

Unfortunately (or fortunately? depending on the person's mindset), the victims end up earning quite a disdain for authority. Rightfully so.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Likewise. As fisharmor stated, they said they have a zero tolerance policy. The kid I was fighting even punched the teacher in the chest. They had to call the ambulance for him because he was having chest pains. [it was clear who was in the wrong] They acknowledged that I was simply defending myself so that's why it was only three days instead of ten. I really didn't mind.


I hope they also suspended the teacher since he was involved.

[Anti Federalist]

Thats nothing new. If you defend youself in a fight, you are still considered to be in a fight and get disciplined. Its stupid, but thats how it works everywhere. Ever watch sports?

It didnt sound like they were out to get this guy so as soon as he tells his story, he should be cleared.

Ummm...this isn't a schoolyard "push me pull you".

This kid, bare handed, wrestled a loaded firearm from someone who, by all accounts, was going to murder another kid right in front of God and everybody.

Not to mention the fact that these were HS football jocks...far from 90 pound weaklings.

[qh4dotcom]

Suspension from indoctrination....no big deal...like someone else said....a free vacation

[kcchiefs6465]

I hope they also suspended the teacher since he was involved.
Fucking A right. Zero tolerance.

[Ranger29860]

I don't quite see the big deal about this, to me this seems appropriate. A teen brings a gun and by all accounts attempts to use it while three students disarm him. So the school says no one involved is allowed into school until we figure out exactly what happened and all the details.

So the kids are (hopefully) going to go to this hearing , get hailed as hero's and have the suspension removed and allowed back in. This is the same way cops handle any incident involving a gun, everyone involved is on hold until an investigation is done and then allowed back after its figured out what happened ( yes I know cops get away with shit im just showing a procedural similarity).

Now if the kids get in trouble for stopping this guy at the hearing THEN there is a real problem here.

[kcchiefs6465]

I don't quite see the big deal about this, to me this seems appropriate. A teen brings a gun and by all accounts attempts to use it while three students disarm him. So the school says no one involved is allowed into school until we figure out exactly what happened and all the details.

So the kids are (hopefully) going to go to this hearing , get hailed as hero's and have the suspension removed and allowed back in. This is the same way cops handle any incident involving a gun, everyone involved is on hold until an investigation is done and then allowed back after its figured out what happened ( yes I know cops get away with shit im just showing a procedural similarity).

Now if the kids get in trouble for stopping this guy at the hearing THEN there is a real problem here.
They got suspended.

ETA: Ahhh, I didn't see 'at the hearing.' You mean if they get in any more trouble...

[Beorn]

Please. This is a good policy. If people get in a fight you want them removed from the school environment until everyone cools off so you don't have another incident. It's for the protection of everyone involved regardless of who's to blame. Besides it's not like suspension is a real punishment anyways.

[Ranger29860]

They got suspended.

ETA: Ahhh, I didn't see 'at the hearing.' You mean if they get in any more trouble...

They aren't really in trouble now. Suspension sounds bad but the connotations of it in this case is a whole different meaning then what people are attaching to it right now. Like I said this type of suspension is more in line with a police suspension after a shooting incident where all parties involved are suspended with pay until it is figured out what has happened. Usually after the hearing (rightly or wrongly) the cop is taken off of suspension for doing nothing wrong and nothing bad has been put on his record.

[kcchiefs6465]

Please. This is a good policy. If people get in a fight you want them removed from the school environment until everyone cools off so you don't have another incident. It's for the protection of everyone involved regardless of who's to blame. Besides it's not like suspension is a real punishment anyways.
Suspension results in zeroes for all the work done on the days when you are suspended. Depending on how long it is (ten days will ruin your grade in a 45 day nine week period) you will be lucky to get a 'C.' It is a punishment. Especially when you are trying to apply for good colleges and such.

I think you are forgetting the fact that they took a loaded pistol from a student pointing it at another student. They should be regarded as heroes for saving the kid's life.

[Ranger29860]

Suspension results in zeroes for all the work done on the days when you are suspended. Depending on how long it is (ten days will ruin your grade in a 45 day nine week period) you will be lucky to get a 'C.' It is a punishment. Especially when you are trying to apply for good colleges and such.


Not true. The hearing will override that.

Ive been through one of these suspension hearings (for helping a kid not get the crap beat out of him) and once they came to the conclusion that I was in the right I got excused from any work that was due during my suspension.

[kcchiefs6465]

Not true. The hearing will override that.

Ive been through one of these suspension hearings (for helping a kid not get the crap beat out of him) and once they came to the conclusion that I was in the right I got excused from any work that was due during my suspension.
The hearings are only for expulsions. At least, where I went that is how it was. You are out of school for a good 2-3 weeks before you meet before the Board of Education. They hear both sides and make a decision on whether you are to be allowed back to school or whether you are expelled for the rest of the year. Some schools 'socially promote.' That is, you can be suspended for 9 weeks straight and still pass to the next grade. Other schools, as my later school was, mark zeroes on everything while you were gone. When I was suspended for defending myself I had the opportunity to make up my work for half credit. [I had to read and teach myself then do the HW for half credit] That was after my mom raised hell that I was suspended for fighting someone who swung on me first, though. Most times it was straight zeroes.

[Beorn]

Suspension results in zeroes for all the work done on the days when you are suspended. Depending on how long it is (ten days will ruin your grade in a 45 day nine week period) you will be lucky to get a 'C.' It is a punishment. Especially when you are trying to apply for good colleges and such.

I think you are forgetting the fact that they took a loaded pistol from a student pointing it at another student. They should be regarded as heroes for saving the kid's life.

Even if it was your fault my school just let you do make-up work. Forcing a secondary school student to miss class AND get zeros on all the work is pretty stupid and only going to compound any problems the student has.

[qh4dotcom]

Suspension results in zeroes for all the work done on the days when you are suspended. Depending on how long it is (ten days will ruin your grade in a 45 day nine week period) you will be lucky to get a 'C.' It is a punishment. Especially when you are trying to apply for good colleges and such.


Colleges are overpriced and overhyped....so a suspension can be a blessing for the future.

[tttppp]

Ummm...this isn't a schoolyard "push me pull you".

This kid, bare handed, wrestled a loaded firearm from someone who, by all accounts, was going to murder another kid right in front of God and everybody.

Not to mention the fact that these were HS football jocks...far from 90 pound weaklings.

And the principal probably hasnt heard the whole story so sided on caution until then. For all he knows it was two dumb jocks wresting for a gun. Point is he is not expelled. He is suspended with a hearing. He should get his name cleared with the vacation, no problem.

[tttppp]

Well with regards to sports it's usually who the ref sees doing the fighting. Guy shoves, other guy shoves back and he gets the penalty. Common sense seems to be dead where everything seems to be to the extreme. Either it is - or it isn't. I don't think they understand that most situations fall in the middle of the two and deserve to be judged individually. Take a fight for example, they either see it as, you were involved in the fight, or you weren't. They don't figure on whether you were defending yourself, or protecting another person. A lot of the laws are like that as well. The thread about teens sexting other teens and being charged with child pornography is illuminating. The DA made the case that, well since the law doesn't differentiate between whether it's two teens who are in love or what have you, they would all be charged with child pornagraphy. I found myself thinking, use some common sense you pencil pushing prick, of course the law wasn't intended for children to be charged with child pornagraphy for sending pictures to their boyfriend/girlfriend or whatever of the respective age. Same with the fighting rules in school. The principal needs to use some damn common sense. Disarming a person with a gun is not what the rules against fighting were implemented for.

Maybe the principal wants to side on caution and have a hearing first. Who knows, that kids may have known about the gun ahead of time in which case would be deserving of a suspension. I agree its stupid on the surface but there is nothing wrong with being cautious and taking it to a hearing.

[kcchiefs6465]

Even if it was your fault my school just let you do make-up work. Forcing a secondary school student to miss class AND get zeros on all the work is pretty stupid and only going to compound any problems the student has.
It is not just outrageous for someone who is looking looking around for a college to be suspended for this. Forcing any student to miss class and/or receive all zeros compounds the problems that they have. They should have been regarded as heroes for what they did.

[kcchiefs6465]

Colleges are overpriced and overhyped....so a suspension can be a blessing for the future.
Can be.

[jmdrake]

It's time to suspend the principal....permanently. (As in fire his sorry butt).

[kcchiefs6465]

Maybe the principal wants to side on caution and have a hearing first. Who knows, that kids may have known about the gun ahead of time in which case would be deserving of a suspension. I agree its stupid on the surface but there is nothing wrong with being cautious and taking it to a hearing.
What kind of State sponsored bullshit are they missing out on? There are tests you must pass to graduate. Them missing days puts them behind on what they need to know to graduate. Most of my peers going to high school couldn't go a three day suspension without being lost for a grading period. Especially in math related classes. Miss a few days on algebra and you are lost. The teachers [at least my teachers] didn't care to fill me in as I was the one who got suspended. With them it should be different. At least with respect to the teachers going over what they missed out with them.

[tttppp]

What kind of State sponsored bullshit are they missing out on? There are tests you must pass to graduate. Them missing days puts them behind on what they need to know to graduate. Most of my peers going to high school couldn't go a three day suspension without being lost for a grading period. Especially in math related classes. Miss a few days on algebra and you are lost. The teachers [at least my teachers] didn't care to fill me in as I was the one who got suspended. With them it should be different. At least with respect to the teachers going over what they missed out with them.

A few days of college and you are lost. In high school you spend most of your time starring at the wall or the teacher if she is hot.

[seraphson]

I'd thought more members on this board would consider his vacation from indoctrination a fair reward.