jabowery
02-28-2013, 03:28 PM
Now lemme get this straight:
Reality: Individuals in a state of nature have a natural right to contract with each other to unite their individually controlled territories in a mutual insurance company that defends their joint territories against trespass.
Immigration Enthusiast: No they don't have any such right to contract. That's collectivism!
Reality: Even if we assume there is no right to contract, if we open borders before we enable individuals to defend their own land holdings, including quasi-military force, they will be over-run by those who don't respect property rights.
Immigration Enthusiast: No, they'll be over-run by people looking for a better life!
Reality: If we open borders before we get rid of the welfare state, people "looking for a better life" may simply be looking for welfare.
Immigration Enthusiast: That's a risk I'm willing to take and if you aren't then you are <fill in with favorite smear word/phrase>.
Reality: People who are having risks imposed on them by other people -- risks they did not agree to -- have a right to defend themselves by any reasonable means and if the political system and courts fail to provide practical means then it is reasonable for that defense to be by force.
Immigration Enthusiast: That's initiation of force! You can't do that!
Reality: Subsequent to the introduction of the H-1b program, the economy and employment suffered a downturn. The H-1b program was sold on the premise that it would create net jobs. It is reasonable to infer that the premise of the H-1b program should be called into question.
Immigration Enthusiast: Your claiming that the H-1b program caused the downturn!
Reality: No I'm not. I'm just asking for a little intellectual integrity from you.
Immigration Enthusiast: It doesn't matter whether the premise was right or not, people have a right to immigrate to the US even if it imposes risks on others that they cannot practically seek remedies for in the courts or politics. Besides -- the real problem was that the H-1b program wasn't increased _enough_!
Reality: That's what they said about the government bailouts -- that they weren't big enough to stimulate an economic recovery.
Immigration Enthusiast:
Bruder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
His sister had anudder one she paid it for de lime.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she call de doctor, woke 'im up,
Said "doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
Now lemme get this straight,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot'up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you call your doctor, woke 'im up,
Said " Doctor, ain't there nothing' I can take?"
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?'
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
You put de lime in de coconut, you drink 'em bot' togedder
Put de lime in de coconut and you'll feel better,
Put de lime in de coconut, drink 'em bot' up,
Put de lime in de coconut and call me in the morning."
Woo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo.
Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo.
Brudder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
His sister had anudder one she paid it for a lime.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut and called de doctor, woke 'im up.
And said, "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?'
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said, "Doctor, now lemme get this straight,
You put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em bot'up,
Put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em bot' up,
Put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em bot' up,
Put the lime in the coconut. You're such a silly woman.
Put a lime in the coconut and drink 'em bot' together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you'll feel better.
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both down,
Put the lime in your coconut, and call me in the morning,
Woo--ain't there nothin' you can take?
I say, woo--to relieve your belly ache,
You say, well woo--ain't there nothin' I can take?
I say woo--woo, to relieve your belly ache,
You say yow--ain't there nothin' I can take,
I say wow--to relieve this belly ache,
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take,"
I said, "Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take,"
I said, "Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take,"
I said, "Doctor you're such a silly woman.
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together,
Put the lime in the coconut, and you'll feel better,
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em bot' up,
Put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning.
Yes, you call me in the morning, You call me in the morning,
I'll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
I'll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
I'll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
I'll tell you what to do and if you call me in the morning
I'll tell you what to do.
Reality: Individuals in a state of nature have a natural right to contract with each other to unite their individually controlled territories in a mutual insurance company that defends their joint territories against trespass.
Immigration Enthusiast: No they don't have any such right to contract. That's collectivism!
Reality: Even if we assume there is no right to contract, if we open borders before we enable individuals to defend their own land holdings, including quasi-military force, they will be over-run by those who don't respect property rights.
Immigration Enthusiast: No, they'll be over-run by people looking for a better life!
Reality: If we open borders before we get rid of the welfare state, people "looking for a better life" may simply be looking for welfare.
Immigration Enthusiast: That's a risk I'm willing to take and if you aren't then you are <fill in with favorite smear word/phrase>.
Reality: People who are having risks imposed on them by other people -- risks they did not agree to -- have a right to defend themselves by any reasonable means and if the political system and courts fail to provide practical means then it is reasonable for that defense to be by force.
Immigration Enthusiast: That's initiation of force! You can't do that!
Reality: Subsequent to the introduction of the H-1b program, the economy and employment suffered a downturn. The H-1b program was sold on the premise that it would create net jobs. It is reasonable to infer that the premise of the H-1b program should be called into question.
Immigration Enthusiast: Your claiming that the H-1b program caused the downturn!
Reality: No I'm not. I'm just asking for a little intellectual integrity from you.
Immigration Enthusiast: It doesn't matter whether the premise was right or not, people have a right to immigrate to the US even if it imposes risks on others that they cannot practically seek remedies for in the courts or politics. Besides -- the real problem was that the H-1b program wasn't increased _enough_!
Reality: That's what they said about the government bailouts -- that they weren't big enough to stimulate an economic recovery.
Immigration Enthusiast:
Bruder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
His sister had anudder one she paid it for de lime.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut, she call de doctor, woke 'im up,
Said "doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
Now lemme get this straight,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot' up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you drank 'em bot'up,
You put de lime in de coconut, you call your doctor, woke 'im up,
Said " Doctor, ain't there nothing' I can take?"
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?'
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache,"
You put de lime in de coconut, you drink 'em bot' togedder
Put de lime in de coconut and you'll feel better,
Put de lime in de coconut, drink 'em bot' up,
Put de lime in de coconut and call me in the morning."
Woo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo.
Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo.
Brudder bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime,
His sister had anudder one she paid it for a lime.
She put de lime in de coconut, she drank 'em bot' up
She put de lime in de coconut and called de doctor, woke 'im up.
And said, "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?'
I said, "Doctor, to relieve this belly ache."
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take?"
I said, "Doctor, now lemme get this straight,
You put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em bot'up,
Put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em bot' up,
Put the lime in the coconut, you drink 'em bot' up,
Put the lime in the coconut. You're such a silly woman.
Put a lime in the coconut and drink 'em bot' together
Put the lime in the coconut, then you'll feel better.
Put the lime in the coconut, drink 'em both down,
Put the lime in your coconut, and call me in the morning,
Woo--ain't there nothin' you can take?
I say, woo--to relieve your belly ache,
You say, well woo--ain't there nothin' I can take?
I say woo--woo, to relieve your belly ache,
You say yow--ain't there nothin' I can take,
I say wow--to relieve this belly ache,
I said "Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take,"
I said, "Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take,"
I said, "Doctor, ain't there nothing I can take,"
I said, "Doctor you're such a silly woman.
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together,
Put the lime in the coconut, and you'll feel better,
Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em bot' up,
Put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning.
Yes, you call me in the morning, You call me in the morning,
I'll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
I'll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
I'll tell you what to do if you call me in the morning.
I'll tell you what to do and if you call me in the morning
I'll tell you what to do.