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twomp
02-21-2013, 03:23 PM
Maybe we should pay attention should the government decide to turn these robots on us one day:


One of the last things the bearded fighters did before leaving this city was to drive to the market where traders lay their carpets out in the sand.

The al-Qaida extremists bypassed the brightly colored, high-end synthetic floor coverings and stopped their pickup truck in front of a man selling more modest mats woven from desert grass, priced at $1.40 apiece. There they bought two bales of 25 mats each, and asked him to bundle them on top of the car, along with a stack of sticks.

"It's the first time someone has bought such a large amount," said the mat seller, Leitny Cisse al-Djoumat. "They didn't explain why they wanted so many."

Military officials can tell why: The fighters are stretching the mats across the tops of their cars on poles to form natural carports, so that drones cannot detect them from the air.

The instruction to camouflage cars is one of 22 tips on how to avoid drones, listed on a document left behind by the Islamic extremists as they fled northern Mali from a French military intervention last month. A Xeroxed copy of the document, which was first published on a jihadist forum two years ago, was found by The Associated Press in a manila envelope on the floor of a building here occupied by al-Qaida of the Islamic Maghreb.

The tipsheet reflects how al-Qaida's chapter in North Africa anticipated a military intervention that would make use of drones, as the battleground in the war on terror worldwide is shifting from boots on the ground to unmanned planes in the air. The presence of the document in Mali, first authored by a Yemeni, also shows the coordination between al-Qaida chapters, which security experts have called a source of increasing concern.

"This new document... shows we are no longer dealing with an isolated local problem, but with an enemy which is reaching across continents to share advice," said Bruce Riedel, a 30-year veteran of the CIA, now the director of the Intelligence Project at the Brookings Institution.

The tips in the document range from the broad (No. 7, hide from being directly or indirectly spotted, especially at night) to the specific (No 18, formation of fake gatherings, for example by using dolls and statues placed outside false ditches to mislead the enemy.) The use of the mats appears to be a West African twist on No. 3, which advises camouflaging the tops of cars and the roofs of buildings, possibly by spreading reflective glass.

While some of the tips are outdated or far-fetched, taken together, they suggest the Islamists in Mali are responding to the threat of drones with sound, common-sense advice that may help them to melt into the desert in between attacks, leaving barely a trace.

"These are not dumb techniques. It shows that they are acting pretty astutely," said Col. Cedric Leighton, a 26-year-veteran of the United States Air Force, who helped set up the Predator drone program, which later tracked Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. "What it does is, it buys them a little bit more time — and in this conflict, time is key. And they will use it to move away from an area, from a bombing raid, and do it very quickly."

more:

http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaida-tipsheet-avoiding-drones-found-mali-173015912.html

kathy88
02-21-2013, 03:40 PM
Can you imagine how fast you would get pulled over in the US for trying to camouflage your vehicle?

tangent4ronpaul
02-21-2013, 03:46 PM
The document can be seen in Arabic and English at http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/_pdfs/al-qaida-papers-drones.pdf

-t

jmdrake
02-21-2013, 03:47 PM
Can you imagine how fast you would get pulled over in the US for trying to camouflage your vehicle?

If we still live in a country where you're getting pulled over by the police then you're not having to worry about a drone strike. Think about it.

ZENemy
02-21-2013, 03:58 PM
If you have to hide from your government, it is NO LONGER A GOVERNMENT!

Brian4Liberty
02-21-2013, 04:06 PM
If we still live in a country where you're getting pulled over by the police then you're not having to worry about a drone strike. Think about it.

Or where they can surround the building and burn you out...

sailingaway
02-22-2013, 08:47 PM
This document is one of several found by The Associated Press in buildings recently occupied by Al-Qaeda fighters in Timbuktu, Mali. Written by Abdullah bin Mohammed, apparently with God’s help, with the goal "of disabling the new strategy of the American army at the medium or long-range levels," through three methods: the formation of a public opinion to stand against the attacks, deterring of spies, and tactics of deception and blurring. These 22 tactics are as follows...

It is possible to know the intention and the mission of the drone by using the Russian-made “sky grabber” device to infiltrate the drone’s waves and the frequencies. The device is available in the market for $2,595 and the one who operates it should be a computer-know-how.
Using devices that broadcast frequencies or pack of frequencies to disconnect the contacts and confuse the frequencies used to control the drone. The Mujahideen have had successful experiments using the Russian-made “Racal.”
Spreading the reflective pieces of glass on a car or on the roof of the building.
Placing a group of skilled snipers to hunt the drone, especially the reconnaissance ones because they fly low, about six kilometers or less.
Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using the ordinary water-lifting dynamo fitted with a 30-meter copper pole.
Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using old equipment and keeping them 24-hour running because of their strong frequencies and it is possible using simple ideas of deception of equipment to attract the electronic waves devices similar to that used by the Yugoslav army when they used the microwave (oven) in attracting and confusing the NATO missiles fitted with electromagnetic searching devices.
Using general confusion methods and not to use permanent headquarters.
Discovering the presence of a drone through well-placed reconnaissance networks and to warn all the formations to halt any movement in the area.
To hide from being directly or indirectly spotted, especially at night.
To hide under thick trees because they are the best cover against the planes.
To stay in places unlit by the sun such as the shadows of the buildings or the trees.
Maintain complete silence of all wireless contacts.

more: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-22/al-qaedas-22-tips-evading-drones

pcosmar
02-22-2013, 09:00 PM
Always good to learn from the tactics of others. and then improve on them if possible.

paulbot24
02-22-2013, 09:24 PM
You could infect them with a virus. The USAF still hasn't been able to remove the malware affecting many of the drones that they describe as a "nuisance." They won't say what kind of nuisance it is and how they are containing it. Future reference: Buy a Kaspersky antivirus, instead of the freebie that comes with the Windows OS you guys use on those things.

bolil
02-22-2013, 09:30 PM
Ummmm, clouds?

pacelli
02-22-2013, 09:39 PM
NOTE WHILE YOU UN-ASS THE AO, LOOK FOR VERTICAL COVER....

Cover vehicles with sugar+water mud?

Sounds like some practical advice.

idiom
02-22-2013, 09:53 PM
Ummmm, clouds?

We should use chemtrails against the drones? Genius.

A Son of Liberty
02-23-2013, 12:23 PM
Do with it as you will:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-22/al-qaedas-22-tips-evading-drones


1.It is possible to know the intention and the mission of the drone by using the Russian-made “sky grabber” device to infiltrate the drone’s waves and the frequencies. The device is available in the market for $2,595 and the one who operates it should be a computer-know-how.
2.Using devices that broadcast frequencies or pack of frequencies to disconnect the contacts and confuse the frequencies used to control the drone. The Mujahideen have had successful experiments using the Russian-made “Racal.”
3.Spreading the reflective pieces of glass on a car or on the roof of the building.
4.Placing a group of skilled snipers to hunt the drone, especially the reconnaissance ones because they fly low, about six kilometers or less.
5.Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using the ordinary water-lifting dynamo fitted with a 30-meter copper pole.
6.Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using old equipment and keeping them 24-hour running because of their strong frequencies and it is possible using simple ideas of deception of equipment to attract the electronic waves devices similar to that used by the Yugoslav army when they used the microwave (oven) in attracting and confusing the NATO missiles fitted with electromagnetic searching devices.
7.Using general confusion methods and not to use permanent headquarters.
8.Discovering the presence of a drone through well-placed reconnaissance networks and to warn all the formations to halt any movement in the area.
9.To hide from being directly or indirectly spotted, especially at night.
10.To hide under thick trees because they are the best cover against the planes.
11.To stay in places unlit by the sun such as the shadows of the buildings or the trees.
12.Maintain complete silence of all wireless contacts.
13.Disembark of vehicles and keep away from them especially when being chased or during combat.
14.To deceive the drone by entering places of multiple entrances and exits.
15.Using underground shelters because the missiles fired by these planes are usually of the fragmented anti-personnel and not anti-buildings type.
16.To avoid gathering in open areas and in urgent cases, use building of multiple doors or exits.
17.Forming anti-spies groups to look for spies and agents.
18.Formation of fake gatherings such as using dolls and statutes to be placed outside false ditches to mislead the enemy.
19.When discovering that a drone is after a car, leave the car immediately and everyone should go in different direction because the planes are unable to get after everyone.
20.Using natural barricades like forests and caves when there is an urgent need for training or gathering.
21.In frequently targeted areas, use smoke as cover by burning tires.
22.As for the leaders or those sought after, they should not use communications equipment because the enemy usually keeps a voice tag through which they can identify the speaking person and then locate him.

UWDude
02-23-2013, 03:45 PM
anbody know what they are talking about with the water lifting dynamo pole?

paulbot24
02-23-2013, 04:12 PM
Imagine if they found out that people from the same place that make these drones that kill them are now scared of the same drones hunting us here. Have the machines taken over?

pcosmar
02-23-2013, 04:58 PM
anbody know what they are talking about with the water lifting dynamo pole?

dynamo is an electrical generator,, and a copper pole would be an antenna,

I am guessing the "water lifting" would refer to common pumps. or perhaps even a hydroelectric plant.

kcchiefs6465
02-23-2013, 05:04 PM
Ummmm, clouds?
Apparently low clouds [such as stratus clouds or fog] can be the same temperature as objects around it. (thwarting FLIR)

paulbot24
02-23-2013, 05:31 PM
Did they happen to find any passports somewhere nearby this tipsheet?

Carson
02-23-2013, 05:51 PM
It sounds like a pretty good list. It has had to occur to them to go to the source.

I would think wet blankets could come in handy.