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Smudge Dog
02-20-2013, 09:05 AM
(Edited: realized there's no reason not to post the whole letter)

Dear Mr. Montebourg:

I have just returned to the United States from Australia where I have been for the past few weeks on business; therefore, my apologies for answering your letter dated 31 January 2013.

I appreciate your thinking that your Ministry is protecting industrial activities and jobs in France. I and Titan have a 40-year history of buying closed factories and companies, losing millions of dollars and turning them around to create a good business, paying good wages. Goodyear (http://www.businessinsider.com/blackboard/goodyear) tried for over four years to save part of the Amiens jobs that are some of the highest paid, but the French unions and French government did nothing but talk.

I have visited the factory a couple of times. The French workforce gets paid high wages but works only three hours. They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three, and work for three. I told this to the French union workers to their faces. They told me that’s the French way!

The Chinese are shipping tires into France - really all over Europe - and yet you do nothing. In five years, Michelin won’t be able to produce tire in France. France will lose its industrial business because government is more government.

Sir, your letter states you want Titan to start a discussion. How stupid do you think we are? Titan is the one with money and talent to produce tires. What does the crazy union have? It has the French government. The French farmer wants cheap tire. He does not care if the tires are from China or India and governments are subsidizing them. Your government doesn’t care either. “We’re French!”

The US government is not much better than the French. Titan had to pay millions to Washington lawyers to sue the Chinese tire companies because of their subsidizing. Titan won. The government collects the duties. We don’t get the duties, the government does.
Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one, pay less than one Euro per hour and ship all the tires France needs. You can keep the so-called workers. Titan has no interest in the Amien North factory.

Best regards,
Maurice M. Taylor, Jr.
Chairman and CEO


H/T: http://www.businessinsider.com/titan-ceo-letter-to-montebourg-2013-2#ixzz2LSLg0wKZ


Swan song of American business.

The Gold Standard
02-20-2013, 09:12 AM
Sounds about right. I wouldn't want a factory, or any kind of business, in France either.

phill4paul
02-20-2013, 09:25 AM
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Smudge Dog
02-20-2013, 10:30 AM
sadly that last part "Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one" applies to the USA as well. We're cleaning up the dregs of USA industry.

Lucille
02-20-2013, 02:06 PM
Titan CEO Crushes Socialist "Work Ethic", Tells France "You Can Keep Your So-Called Workers"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-20/titan-ceo-crushes-socialist-work-ethic-tells-france-you-can-keep-your-so-called-work


The French industry minister is not amused. The CEO of US tire-maker Titan International has explained to the French unions (who think he belongs in an asylum) why his company is not interested in any deal - noting "you can keep your so-called workers," adding that he would have to be stupid to take over a factory whose staff only put in three hours work a day. Maurice 'Grizz' Taylor went 'postal' at the suggestion his company invest in France: "Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one, pay less than one Euro per hour wage and ship all the tires France needs." His truth-filled reality letter concluded: How stupid do you think we are? Titan is the one with the money and the talent to produce tires. What does the crazy union have? It has the French government." The flustered Frenchman refrained from immediate reply but gallicly noted, "Don’t worry, there will be a response; it's better written down." Indeed, just as long as its not the labor minister.


The CEO of a U.S. tire maker has delivered a crushing summary of how some outsiders view France’s work ethic in a letter saying he would have to be stupid to take over a factory whose staff only put in three hours work a day.

“The French workforce gets paid high wages but works only three hours. They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three and work for three,” Taylor wrote on Feb. 8 in the letter in English to the minister, Arnaud Montebourg.

“I told this to the French union workers to their faces. They told me that’s the French way!” Taylor added in the letter, which was posted by business daily Les Echos on its website and which the ministry confirmed was genuine.

“Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one, pay less than one Euro per hour wage and ship all the tires France needs,” he said. “You can keep the so-called workers.”

Socialist President Francois Hollande might take some comfort in Taylor’s view of his own country’s business policies: “The U.S. government is not much better than the French,” he said, referring to a dispute over Chinese exports.

Spikender
02-20-2013, 03:02 PM
Amazing and filled with truth. And he's damn right when he says that America is not much better about this sort of thing.

Lucille
02-21-2013, 11:38 AM
Socialist France Responds To Titan CEO, Hilarity Ensues
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-21/socialist-france-responds-titan-ceo-hilarity-ensues


Presented without any comment (see original Titan letter here), and google translated to add Babel fishing insult to an already injurious, or is that hilarious, exchange between a hard core capitalist and a socialist... perfect ignorance, admiration of Obama, trade tariff threats, oh, and don't mention the war.


Sir,

Your extremely insulting words also testify perfect ignorance of what our country is France, its key strengths, such as its world-renowned attractiveness and its relationship with the United States of America.

France has the pride to welcome on its soil over 20,000 foreign companies representing nearly two million jobs, a third of its industrial exports, 20% of private research and development and 25% of industrial employment. Each year, there are 700 decisions of locating foreign investment and job creators of value in France. And this strong attractiveness does not weaken, on the contrary from year to year, it is getting stronger.

Within these foreign investments, the United States occupied the first place. 4200 subsidiaries of U.S. companies employ nearly 500,000 people. The presence of U.S. companies in France is very old: Haviland since 1842 IBM since 1914 Coca-Cola since 1933, General Electric since 1974. And many others. These links are from year to year renewed: in 2012, companies like Massey Ferguson, Mars Chocolate, or 3M chose to increase their presence in France.

What are the decisive factors in the choice of location? Foreign companies in France are seeking quality infrastructure, a lifestyle appreciate an energy amongst the most competitive in Europe, and a very favorable environment to research and innovation. But most importantly, away from this your comments are ridiculous and derogatory, all these companies know and appreciate the quality and productivity of the workforce French, commitment, knowledge, talent and skills of workers French.

To amplify the attractiveness, the French government has recently taken measures 35 in the National Pact for growth, competitiveness and employment. Among them, the tax credit for competitiveness and employment allege coats of 6% wage firms between 1 and 2.5 SMIC. In addition, the social partners have reached an agreement on the securisation employment, which illustrates the quality of social dialogue in France and the importance that the government attaches to which I belong.

Can I remind you that Titan, the business you run is 20 times smaller than Michelin, a French leader in technology our international influence, and 35 times less profitable? That is to say how a Titan could learn and gain enormously from a French settlement.

France is especially proud and happy to welcome American investment between our two countries are linked by an old friendship and passionate. Moms do you know what makes La Fayette to the United States of America? For our part, we French will never forget the sacrifice of young American soldiers on the beaches of Normandy to deliver us from Nazism in 1944. And since you choose to criticize your own country in the letter that you send me, I must tell you how the French government admire the policy implemented by President Obama. As Minister for Industry, I am particularly sensitive to actions in favor of the relocation of manufacturing jobs in the United States and radical innovation. It is our policy that even some present with the parent inspired by your President.

You mention your intention to exploit the labor of some countries to flood our markets. I must tell you that this calculation wrong and short-term and will sooner or later face a justified reaction (just as in the US). This is already the case in France with allies increasingly numerous in the Union European arguing for reciprocity of exchanges and organize against dumping. In the meantime, rest assured you can count on me to monitor, by the competent services of the French government with redoubled zeal, the importation of your tires. They will ensure compliance with all standards particularly applicable materials social, environmental and technical.

I beg you to accept, Sir, the assurances of my highest.

Demigod
02-21-2013, 11:58 AM
This is already the case in France with allies increasingly numerous in the Union European arguing for reciprocity of exchanges and organize against dumping.

By allies they mean Germany and by doing something they mean putting regulations so that they can crush every other competitive industry in Europe so they can have their little private market and keep everyone out with tariffs.

They have been recently trying to put tariffs on steel producers in Turkey,Ukraine and the Balkans because they were selling their steel too cheap to European companies and the French companies had to close down.

torchbearer
02-21-2013, 11:59 AM
hahahaha

mad cow
02-21-2013, 12:04 PM
...And your father smells of elderberries!

torchbearer
02-21-2013, 12:10 PM
...And your father smells of elderberries!

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Gunsaw
05-19-2013, 09:33 AM
I remember this story. Titan walked out of negotiations and the French acted insulted and "how dare you" about this, then they begged please come back to the negotiation table. Titan then sent them this letter. The French gov't. backed the unions and their demands, Titan said not just no but HELL no. Said to start a business in France would be insanity. Note that the French gov't. did one thing better than our gov't., they didn't bail out Goodyear like we did GM. I prefer to remember the French that made it possible for us to win our freedom from the English during our revolutionary war. Without them we wouldn't be the great republic we are today.

Zarn Solen
05-19-2013, 09:55 AM
France is our "sister republic," and like Gunsaw stated, she is the reason why we have achieved independence. Most people do not realize that French intervention happened way before Saratoga. It just was not on the surface.

The French Republic is getting worse by the day, but so is ours. Americans are blindly following the bureaucracy here, just like the French are blindly following theirs. If something significant changes here, it would only be a matter of time until that change affects France. If the Pauls and others are able to do something here, it would likely have a major ripple effect. Similarly, if something happened in France/ Europe, it would only be a matter of time until it gained steam here. Odds are it will be us, first.

LibForestPaul
05-19-2013, 09:55 AM
unions, gov regualtions, all a poor response to fiat currency and legal tender laws.

PaulConventionWV
05-19-2013, 10:41 AM
I remember this story. Titan walked out of negotiations and the French acted insulted and "how dare you" about this, then they begged please come back to the negotiation table. Titan then sent them this letter. The French gov't. backed the unions and their demands, Titan said not just no but HELL no. Said to start a business in France would be insanity. Note that the French gov't. did one thing better than our gov't., they didn't bail out Goodyear like we did GM. I prefer to remember the French that made it possible for us to win our freedom from the English during our revolutionary war. Without them we wouldn't be the great republic we are today.

Welcome to the forums!

Carson
05-19-2013, 10:50 AM
No problem as long as the counterfeited currency still works.

Carson
05-19-2013, 10:51 AM
Welcome to the forums Gunsaw.

Carson
05-19-2013, 10:55 AM
Amazing and filled with truth. And he's damn right when he says that America is not much better about this sort of thing.


Most of our socialism seems to me to be of the back door nature. We counterfeit a lot. Much of that is funneled behind the scenes to lots of projects of manipulation.

World police force for one.