DHS Supplier Provides Shooting Targets of American Gun Owners

[green73]

A provider of “realistic” shooting targets to the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies has created a line of “non-traditional threat” targets that include pregnant women, mothers in playgrounds and elderly American gun owners.

Law Enforcement Targets, Inc. is a 21-year designer and full service provider of training targets for the DHS, the Justice Department and thousands of law enforcement agencies throughout the country.

The company’s website offers a line of “No More Hesitation” targets ”designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.” The targets are, “meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusual targets for the first time.”

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target1.jpghttp://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target2.jpghttp://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target3.jpghttp://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target4.jpg

cont
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-provides-shooting-targets-of-american-gun-owners/

[jkr]

not real

cant
be
real

just cant

[kcchiefs6465]

not real

cant
be
real

just cant
Seems to be real. I can't get through to a lot of their website as "Servers too busy" though.

[Anti Federalist]

not real

cant
be
real

just cant

Server is busy Error 404

http://www.letargets.com/about.aspx

http://www.letargets.com/estylez_ps.aspx?searchmode=category&searchcatcontext=~010000~010100~010101.2

My confidence level is high on this one.

I'll go with them being very, very real.

Why the surprise, is my only question.

Who the fuck do you think they were planning on shooting with that 4 billion rounds of ammo, huh?

Score another for Alex Jones and crew.

+rep OP

[DGambler]

Of course it can be real... It's pretty clear at this point that they're gearing up for action against the American people.

[Lucille]

Reason (http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi) blogged this too.

"No More Hesitation." As if they ever do.


I've reached out to Minnesota-based Law Enforcement Targets, Inc., for comment on what inspired the series and whether it's popular with law enforcement groups (see comment added above). Considering that the company has landed $5.5 million worth of contracts with the federal government, it might also be interesting to know if these targets are being used by federal law enforcement agents.

[Anti Federalist]

Of course it can be real... It's pretty clear at this point that they're gearing up for action against the American people.

Crystal clear.

While all the while, their mouthpieces and official organs, just like the bullhorns at Waco, are shouting "This is not an assault!"

[kcchiefs6465]

Reason (http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi) blogged this too.

"No More Hesitation." As if they ever do.
Thanks. They are probably scrambling to remove them by now. Pregnant woman target? I must be losing my damn mind.

[CCTelander]

These people are worse than nazi collaborators during WWII.

[Occam's Banana]

Nothing to see here. Move along, move along ...

[AFPVet]

These are real folks. This is part of the conditioning program.

[Anti Federalist]

Reason (http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi) blogged this too.

"No More Hesitation." As if they ever do.

They responded:


"The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition

(one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty).

This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served."

I don't know about you folks, but I'm a shooter, have been for years, and only a sick fucking killer would shoot at pictures of his own children to increase his response time.

[shane77m]

They responded:


I don't know about you folks, but I'm a shooter, have been for years, and only a sick fucking killer would shoot at pictures of his own children to increase his response time.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

[shane77m]

I am sure the pregnant woman target is shot several times in the belly region. Can't have that little one surviving only to grow up a terrorist.

[Anti Federalist]

I am sure the pregnant woman target is shot several times in the belly region. Can't have that little one surviving only to grow up a terrorist.

Bug Splat.

Jesus, we're in a world of hurt here.

[Anti Federalist]

And I'm supposed to be lachrymose and remorseful over what Chris Dorner did?

Not fucking likely...not with stuff like this popping up every day.

[AFPVet]

They responded:


I don't know about you folks, but I'm a shooter, have been for years, and only a sick fucking killer would shoot at pictures of his own children to increase his response time.

Yep... this is the kind of programming they are installing into cops now. They want to create a killer that possesses zero empathy and morals. Instead of giving the person an 'out', they want trained killers that 'react' by instinctive shooting rather than drop commands.

They want cops to be able to kill anyone... evidently, even their own kids.

[Anti Federalist]

Yep... this is the kind of programming they are installing into cops now. They want to create a killer that possesses zero empathy and morals. Instead of giving the person an 'out', they want trained killers that 'react' by instinctive shooting rather than drop commands.

They want cops to be able to kill anyone... evidently, even their own kids.

Orders will be followed.

[QuickZ06]

It has to be a troll who is behind this, surely they would ease them into civilian targets, not just full on kids and prego moms. Well thinking about it, how the hell do you ease anyone into civilian targets??

[Anti Federalist]

And now you know why people's dogs get blown away so often nowadays.

Working their way up to us.

Tick tock tick tock...whatcha gonna do boy, huh?

What's it gonna be boy, yes or no?

[Anti Federalist]

It has to be a troll who is behind this, surely they would ease them into civilian targets, not just full on kids and prego moms. Well thinking about it, how the hell do you ease anyone into civilian targets??

According to Mike Riggs at Reason, the company responded, verifying that they are, in fact, real, and provided the justification for same.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi

[presence]

I wonder if they take suggestions?


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OzTyuZB0LVo/UNGXi2VvkyI/AAAAAAAAAKA/FROz4bTI-r0/s1600/baby20gun-1.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqzkW7o6FVnGAzju5_zObQyBVLDrqmx aFdQs2xVUDoEhzCsMU2

http://www.ausgang.com/collect/gif/gun/baby/kid-dog-gun.jpg

http://blogiverstravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/baby-with-gun-3.jpg

http://themissstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/baby-with-gun21-300x215.jpg

http://towncow.connersvillepages.com/files/2012/07/Hey-Im-a-girl.jpg

[shane77m]

Imagine the outcry from the public if a company came out with targets with police pictured or politicians.

[shane77m]

And now you know why people's dogs get blown away so often nowadays.

Working their way up to us.

Tick tock tick tock...whatcha gonna do boy, huh?

What's it gonna be boy, yes or no?

I have often heard that serial killers start out killing animals when they are still kids.

[pcosmar]

And I'm supposed to be lachrymose and remorseful over what Chris Dorner did?

Not fucking likely...not with stuff like this popping up every day.

Too bad it was all bullshit..
He could have fucked up their command and control leadership while he was hiding within sight of them..

He was "hunting" no one.. just trying to survive.

[AFPVet]

It has to be a troll who is behind this, surely they would ease them into civilian targets, not just full on kids and prego moms. Well thinking about it, how the hell do you ease anyone into civilian targets??

Nope... we even had a shoot/no shoot training drill that had an old lady in a car draw down on us. We all were like "what the fuck". What were the chances of an old lady going for her 'license' and bringing up a pistol? This was the beginning of the conditioning. They never did another one of these... it was just to see how we would react. Now they are really pushing the shit evidently.

[Anti Federalist]

Imagine the outcry from the public if a company came out with targets with police pictured or politicians.

Yeah, imagine that...

[AFPVet]

I have often heard that serial killers start out killing animals when they are still kids.

You are correct.

[Pericles]

I've been around a bit, and may be considered somewhat jaded, by some. But, this is a new low.

[libertyjam]

Bug Splat.

Jesus, we're in a world of hurt here.

Fuck it, it's time to go Warsaw Ghetto on any DHS pukes.

[Pericles]

Fuck it, it's time to go Warsaw Ghetto on any DHS pukes.

I won't leave any doubt as to whether or not I'm a target.

[shane77m]

One thing though is that those targets don't shoot back.

We live on Bizarro world.

[Anti Federalist]

Uploaded to imgur, and saved locally, in case these fall down the memory hole.

http://i.imgur.com/UnoVu8a.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fhhodtR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b41Z08o.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WNRmC6v.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

I've been around a bit, and may be considered somewhat jaded, by some. But, this is a new low.

You're a shooter, would you do this?


one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty

I know I wouldn't.

A new low is right.

Is there even any question as to the intentions of this government, and its enforcers?

[shane77m]

I do find the old man one a little funny.

"Get off of my lawn you commie bastards!"

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

These are real folks. This is part of the conditioning program.


Wow. These people are not fucking around.



They responded:


I don't know about you folks, but I'm a shooter, have been for years, and only a sick fucking killer would shoot at pictures of his own children to increase his response time.


Certified crazy.

[Pericles]

I do find the old man one a little funny.

"Get off of my lawn you commie bastards!"

Note that none of the "targets" have serious weapons of war. That guy needs an M-1 Garand.

[phill4paul]

SMH. Never in my life. Fuck. We all know why targets were initially changed to human silhouettes to desensitize soldiers. This is just...fuck. There a bunch of psychos out there. No doubt about it.

[enjerth]

I wonder if they take suggestions?


I was going to suggest "NO MORE HESSITATION -- RAPE" posters. I mean, if you're not going to hesitate from shooting a mother who's obviously protecting her children from you, just how much evil is in you?

[Pericles]

You're a shooter, would you do this?


I know I wouldn't.

A new low is right.

Is there even any question as to the intentions of this government, and its enforcers?

Of course not - a real soldier recognizes war criminals for what they are. Hint: anybody shooting at me with hollow point ammunition will get a quick introduction into the laws and customs of war.

[asurfaholic]

How many people are shot holding water hose nozzles and video game controllers. Id say less hesitation is only going to increase shootings of this nature.

Why officers are bring trained to shoot without hesitation is not a complete mystery but still shocks me.

[pcosmar]

Uploaded to imgur, and saved locally, in case these fall down the memory hole.

http://i.imgur.com/UnoVu8a.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fhhodtR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b41Z08o.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WNRmC6v.jpg

Note to LE/DHS

If you see any of these "hostiles",,

You ARE the ENEMY.

[Anti Federalist]

How many people are shot holding water hose nozzles and video game controllers. Id say less hesitation is only going to increase shootings of this nature.

Why officers are bring trained to shoot without hesitation is not a complete mystery but still shocks me.

Dogs and people.

DO NOT CALL THE COPS, EVER.

[bunklocoempire]

Note that none of the "targets" have serious weapons of war. That guy needs an M-1 Garand.

"needs" certainly isn't overstating it. All of those "targets" need weapons of war.

Justification > less hesitation. The skirmish with a pregnant target might be easily won, but the war trying to justify it will not be. Individuals promoting this 'less hesitation' methodology and those following along with it are greatly deceived.

Evil is doing pretty well for itself helped by those who promote and follow it -yet evil's very nature dictates it return to visit it's promoters and followers. Evil digs blow back.

[coastie]

It has to be a troll who is behind this, surely they would ease them into civilian targets, not just full on kids and prego moms. Well thinking about it, how the hell do you ease anyone into civilian targets??

Quite easily, I've been through courses that have civilian targets similar to this. Just like in real life, you just get points taken away if you hit one, and get to do it again later(collateral damage). Only now, you get to train on ultra realistic targets, that are conveniently highlighted and backgrounds faded, you know, kinda just like you see when you get tunnel vision in high stress situations. They are no longer collateral damage-they are now the targets.

The problem with police nowadays is not lack of training...it's too much training. Law Enforcement always trains for the worst case scenario. Always. I can't remember ever once in my training where everything was how it really turned out in real life, which is to say a peaceful ending. Some tense moments here and there, sure. But not like we trained. The only reaction these guys are trained in now is over reaction. Steroid/growth hormone use is rampant, which in turn raises testosterone levels(who's the baddest mother fucker out here, hut, hut, hut) and many of these guys are combat veterans.

We used to emphasize de-escalation. Those days appear to be completely over in law enforcement.

[Expatriate]

Their website is down now, but do they also offer targets of uniformed DHS or police officers? Seems just as likely that one of their own would become a threat to them as the people pictured on the targets, especially if they start shooting little kids and pregnant women. There's got to be a few good cops left.

[Anti Federalist]

We used to emphasize de-escalation. Those days appear to be completely over in law enforcement.

Yes, they are.

Immediate, complete and total compliance with whatever lead cop says is the rule now.

Anything short of the above will be met with deadly force, with no regard to the circumstances whatsoever.

And Christ save you if you are one of these poor bastards surrounded by a bunch of these assholes, all yelling contradictory orders.

Might as well just curl up and take your beating.

[Matthew5]

I wonder if this is connected with the zombie fad. Didn't the CDC release a memo on what to do in case of a zombie attack? Couple that with the flood of pop culture that glorifies this kind of thing.

Maybe they're hoping to recruit some new soldiers when everything goes pop.

[tod evans]

This is the type of stuff the public is aware of...

Think about that for a moment...:eek:

[Anti Federalist]

My buddy in Massachusetts writes back:


Not possible in Massachusetts. We already have a law an the books making it illegal for anybody to use a silhouette or image of a person for target practice....

Fair Winds & Following Seas, xxxx

Yah, I'll bet that applies to cops...

[bolil]

site is still up, takes a long time to get on it. Something is fishy I would not suggest even trying to access the site.

[phill4paul]

My buddy in Massachusetts writes back:



Yah, I'll bet that applies to cops...


No such law. There is a law that makes it illegal for a club to use them under certain peculiar conditions. Some private ranges that are for-profit corporations with stockholders might be affected, but no individual and no clubs that I'm aware of. Individuals are completely free to purchase, possess, sell or use them, limited only by ignorant and/or frightened dealers and distributers who won't sell them.

Ken


I spoke to a detective in the local PD here who is incharge of firearms Liciensing. He said this law only applies to a club that holds a LTC. He then said there are no clubs that hold this type of permit. So it is a moot point. He said you can shoot any type of target you like.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/general-discussion/460-silhouette-targets-ma.html

[Joey Fuller]

"No More Hesitation Targets were designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.No More Hesitation faded background enhances the isolation and is meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusal targets for the first time.
Mix & Match "No More Hesitation" targets for best pricing."

Here's the link to their site. It has been crashing since this story broke this am, but perhaps it will load for you:
http://www.letargets.com/estylez_ps.aspx?searchmode=category&searchcatcontext=~010000~010100~010101.2

I can't get pics to post to this thread, so check the link below for screencaps of the cardboard and paper targets of pregnant women, children, and the elderly:
http://www.tennesseesonsofliberty.com/2013/02/no-more-hesitation-police-targets.html

[Joey Fuller]

People are talking about this and sharing the screencaps via FB and Twitter... now Reason is covering the story:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi

[Anti Federalist]

People are talking about this and sharing the screencaps via FB and Twitter... now Reason is covering the story:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi

So are we:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?405013-DHS-Supplier-Provides-Shooting-Targets-of-American-Gun-Owners

;)

[shane77m]

My wife asked me if it disturbs me that they are using these targets.

It should disturb a lot of people but I fear that most are too in the dark to care.

[Uriel999]

This thread literally had caused me to drink

[Carson]

A provider of “realistic” shooting targets to the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies has created a line of “non-traditional threat” targets that include pregnant women, mothers in playgrounds and elderly American gun owners.

Law Enforcement Targets, Inc. is a 21-year designer and full service provider of training targets for the DHS, the Justice Department and thousands of law enforcement agencies throughout the country.

The company’s website offers a line of “No More Hesitation” targets ”designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.” The targets are, “meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusual targets for the first time.”

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target1.jpghttp://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target2.jpghttp://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target3.jpghttp://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target4.jpg

cont
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-provides-shooting-targets-of-american-gun-owners/

If the shooters/trespassers using these targets aren't slowing loosing their gun belts with the off hand and dropping them to their side they are going to lose against these Mother Bears and Land Owners.

I suppose that is something that is worth practicing.

The targets look really expensive but no one would live long enough to shoot one up if they could shoot back.

[kcchiefs6465]

I wonder whose kids those are posing in the targets? Could it be possible that the creator of that site/those targets is such a piece of shit failure of a parent that they had their own kids pose? I hope Reason does a little digging into who is such an asshole of a parent that they felt comfortable with people taking target practice at their kid's picture.

[Zippyjuan]

Ya never know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRXNNqNfQBs

[Expatriate]

Guess now we know what Obama was shooting at in that picture.

http://www.usnews.com/pubdbimages/image/43586/FE_DA_130204obama_skeet425x283.jpg

[pcosmar]

No more hesitation.

That is a two edged sword.

And these targets should make that abundantly clear.
:(
.

[Expatriate]

If the shooters/trespassers using these targets aren't slowing loosing their gun belts with the off hand and dropping them to their side they are going to lose against these Mother Bears and Land Owners.

You forget that all the firearms in the hands of the "targets" are incapable of piercing government body armor. Have you by any chance noticed an extreme push to outlaw "high-powered/military style" weapons lately?

Body armor keeps getting better, unlike the weapons the subjects citizens are allowed to have.

Oh, and they won't even have to worry about the preggo lady getting a lucky face shot once they kit up with these babies:


http://www.apacheclips.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=9304&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1290094492

Stops 12 gauge, .44 magnum. Can even get lucky against lower-velocity rifle rounds, based on testing.

Added bonus is that little kids don't see your face before you splatter their brains all over the bedroom wall.

barf

Sure hope all these things only look like the prologue to yet another depressing chapter in human history.

[LibForestPaul]

Just an idea. Make these a little larger put them in my front yard, and with signs, this is the enemy the DHS is gunning for.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't care how good your body armor is, a direct hit with 12 gauge slug or a high power rifle round is gonna knock your ass down for a while.

You may survive, but you won't be doing much of anything for a while.


You forget that all the firearms in the hands of the "targets" are incapable of piercing government body armor. Have you by any chance noticed an extreme push to outlaw "high-powered/military style" weapons lately?

Body armor keeps getting better, unlike the weapons the subjects citizens are allowed to have.

Oh, and they won't even have to worry about the preggo lady getting a lucky face shot once they kit up with these babies:


http://www.apacheclips.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=9304&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1290094492

Stops 12 gauge, .44 magnum. Can even get lucky against lower-velocity rifle rounds, based on testing.

Added bonus is that little kids don't see your face before you splatter their brains all over the bedroom wall.

barf

Sure hope all these things only look like the prologue to yet another depressing chapter in human history.

[WM_in_MO]

So can I start shooting at paper targets of DHS agents?

[Expatriate]

I don't care how good your body armor is, a direct hit with 12 gauge slug or a high power rifle round is gonna knock your ass down for a while.

You may survive, but you won't be doing much of anything for a while.

That's what backup is for. I haven't seen any paramilitary raids lately with only one or two cops.

[pcosmar]

I don't care how good your body armor is, a direct hit with 12 gauge slug or a high power rifle round is gonna knock your ass down for a while.

You may survive, but you won't be doing much of anything for a while.

Was my thought,, a hit is gonna ring your bell.
A kid with a pocket knife could finish the job at that point.

That shit is more Psychological Placebo for those wearing it.

[mad cow]

I don't care how good your body armor is, a direct hit with 12 gauge slug or a high power rifle round is gonna knock your ass down for a while.

You may survive, but you won't be doing much of anything for a while.

Yeah,foot-pounds is foot-pounds.

[AFPVet]

I don't care how good your body armor is, a direct hit with 12 gauge slug or a high power rifle round is gonna knock your ass down for a while.

You may survive, but you won't be doing much of anything for a while.

Exactly! What a lot of people don't realize is the fact that body armor only means that you probably won't die. Regardless, you are going to go down and are going to be in serious hurt. Trust me.

Most people who get hit with body armor still go to the hospital. It won't help them much if the shooter decides to finish the job while they are down on the ground.

I remember a detective telling me about what it felt like to get shot by a little .38 while he was wearing his vest. He said it felt like someone hit him with a freaking baseball bat!

Getting shot is nothing to sneeze at... regardless of the body armor... IT WILL SUCK... I guarantee it.

[Expatriate]

Exactly! What a lot of people don't realize is the fact that body armor only means that you probably won't die. Regardless, you are going to go down and are going to be in serious hurt. Trust me.

Most people who get hit even with body armor still go to the hospital. It won't help them much if the shooter decides to finish the job while the person wearing the armor is down on the ground.

I remember a detective telling me about what it felt like to get shot by a little .38 while he was wearing his vest. He said it felt like someone hit him with a freaking baseball bat!

Getting shot is nothing to sneeze at... regardless of the body armor... IT WILL SUCK... I guarantee it.


Well, say one guy gets taken down like that by Gramps and his double-barrel 12 gauge. What's he gonna do when the guy's 15-30 buddies come smashing in with submachine guns?

[Anti Federalist]

That's what backup is for. I haven't seen any paramilitary raids lately with only one or two cops.

It is said a picture speaks a thousand words...

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/rizer_standoff1%20_met.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Well, say one guy gets taken down like that by Gramps and his double-barrel 12 gauge. What's he gonna do when the guy's 15-30 buddies come smashing in with assault rifles?

Don't try to defend a fixed position.

The 15-30 buddies are coming in, regardless of what happens to the first guy.

[pcosmar]

It is said a picture speaks a thousand words...

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/rizer_standoff1%20_met.jpg

One hand grenade..


I was taught different than that.

[pcosmar]

Well, say one guy gets taken down like that by Gramps and his double-barrel 12 gauge. What's he gonna do when the guy's 15-30 buddies come smashing in with submachine guns?

I have no illusions..
And may well show my empty hands and accept whatever fate my maker chooses.

And it may be that there is a jawbone of an ass within reach.

Time will tell.

[AFPVet]

Well, say one guy gets taken down like that by Gramps and his double-barrel 12 gauge. What's he gonna do when the guy's 15-30 buddies come smashing in with submachine guns?

One thing you never want to do is take on a superior force head on... our Founders knew this well.

[wgadget]

One thing you never want to do is take on a superior force head on... our Founders knew this well.

Sent link to Drudge Report.

[BlackTyrone]

Fuck it, it's time to go Warsaw Ghetto on any DHS pukes.

Hater.

We are not all bad.

[pacodever]

Multi-target model under development:

http://s3.postimage.org/ed9udnllv/Freedom_March.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[kcchiefs6465]

One star?? Who's the SOB that rated this one star? Do you have the balls to come forward and claim it?

[acptulsa]

One hand grenade..


I was taught different than that.

They don't have to be smart. They have incindiaries.

[Henry Rogue]

Surprised the older gentlemen with the shotgun doesn't have the Medal Of Honor around his neck. Yeah, desensitize them, as if they weren't enough already.

[pcosmar]

One star?? Who's the SOB that rated this one star? Do you have the balls to come forward and claim it?

I am suspecting a boot licker.. But now that it's rated, I'll add some.

[Anti Federalist]

Hater.

We are not all bad.


One star?? Who's the SOB that rated this one star? Do you have the balls to come forward and claim it?

I'll give you one guess...

:rolleyes:

[Anti Federalist]

I'll play devil's advocate for minute WRT to the thread rating...

It is a terrible thread, this is a pretty shocking development.

But it is a five star thread for the info.

[BlackTyrone]

I'll give you one guess...

:rolleyes:

I wonder what he is trying to imply? ...

Oh, BTW, all sailors are fudge packers.

[pcosmar]

I wonder what he is trying to imply? ...

Oh, BTW, all sailors are fudge packers.

Romney is a Sailor??

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp112/rabscuttle-fr/Romney-Fudge.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

I wonder what he is trying to imply? ...

Oh, BTW, all sailors are fudge packers.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmZ43i0k1rpa4XXYnqjOn3a0_48E0H7 CpWwe0Gk5K1vvyHCjp9XA

[fr33]

This story should be shared with everyone you know. Use the Infowars link (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-provides-shooting-targets-of-american-gun-owners/) for people that are into it and the Reason link (http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi) for people that have a filter on against AJ.

Seriously though... Tell everyone.

[amy31416]

Uploaded to imgur, and saved locally, in case these fall down the memory hole.

http://i.imgur.com/UnoVu8a.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fhhodtR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b41Z08o.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WNRmC6v.jpg

Perhaps this is just denial, but when they can't spell "depicting," I have a hard time believing it's real. This forum feels completely surreal these days.

[A Son of Liberty]

I thought the same thing, Amy, but apparently it's been confirmed.

I'm not even sure what to say at this point...

[MRK]

They're going to practice shooting some freedom back into you

[tod evans]

A glimpse into the brainwashing of government agents...

Not really such a stretch of the imagination if a person looks at what's been foisted on the public for the last several decades..

Causes one to wonder what the end game really is?

[chudrockz]

My God, what is going on in the world?

Somehow it makes me even MORE sick that this is a MINNESOTA based company - my lifelong state. So MUCH for "Minnesota Nice" I guess. I'm just sickened.

I work in the printing industry, too. I cannot BELIEVE that, from the top of the company on down, everyone thought this would be a good idea. I *know* at my job, if someone were printing up crap like that, they'd be talking about it in the lunchroom asking "What. The. FUCK."

:(

[A Son of Liberty]

"The military and law enforcement community have made killing a conditioned response. This has substantially raised the firing rate on the modern battlefield. Whereas infantry training in World War II used bull's-eye targets, now soldiers learn to fire at realistic, man-shaped silhouettes that pop into their field of view. That is the stimulus. The trainees have only a split second to engage the target. The conditioned response is to shoot the target, and then it drops. Stimulus-response, stimulus-response, stimulus-response--soldiers or police officers experience hundreds of repetitions. Later, when soldiers are on the battlefield or a police officer is walking a beat and somebody pops up with a gun, they will shoot reflexively and shoot to kill. We know that 75 to 80 percent of the shooting on the modern battlefield is the result of this kind of stimulus-response training.

From "Trained To Kill"

[WM_in_MO]

I've been looking but I can't find paper targets of DHS, FBI, etc...

[shane77m]

I've been looking but I can't find paper targets of DHS, FBI, etc...

People would riot in the street if someone made targets of their benevolent protectors.

[WM_in_MO]

People would riot in the street if someone made targets of their benevolent protectors.
Guess I'll just use the backside of a regular target and some crayons.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Imagine the outcry cheering from the public if a company came out with targets with police pictured or politicians.

Fixed that for ya!

-t

[pcosmar]

Perhaps this is just denial, but when they can't spell "depicting," I have a hard time believing it's real. This forum feels completely surreal these days.
http://www.examiner.com/article/children-seniors-and-pregnant-women-depicted-on-police-shooting-targets


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z0rUNVsgxgU#!

I went to the site that sells them,, But All of the products seem to be disabled presently,, Can't view any of their targets..
Maybe they are asking the same questions now,, or they are obfuscating.

The telephone operator did say that these targets were Requested By Law Enforcement.

[FindLiberty]

"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force,
like fire; a dangerous servant and a terrible master."


"Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us."

Governments have killed hundreds of millions of people.
It's the very nature of government to always use force.

Armed with the very best hammers that fiat money can buy,
to governments, everything (anyone else) just looks like
another nail that needs to get whacked. Those pictures will help!

Governments will continue to kill hundreds of millions of people.
It's the very nature of government to always use force...
Unfortunately, those pictures won't save any lives or liberty.

Despicable psychopaths!

[phill4paul]

http://www.examiner.com/article/children-seniors-and-pregnant-women-depicted-on-police-shooting-targets


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z0rUNVsgxgU#!

I went to the site that sells them,, But All of the products seem to be disabled presently,, Can't view any of their targets..
Maybe they are asking the same questions now,, or they are obfuscating.

The telephone operator did say that these targets were Requested By Law Enforcement.

I wish he would have asked if they have targets depicting Police, Sheriff Deputies, State Troopers, FBI and ATF agents.

[whippoorwill]

Yep....and stuff

[VanBummel]

I've been looking but I can't find paper targets of DHS, FBI, etc...

Maybe a cardboard cut out?

http://images.slashdot.org/articles/08/12/01/1659201-1.png

http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2007/04/357201.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/2012/November/121105/pb-121106-prez-cutouts-embassies-kb-7p-01.photoblog900.jpg

[chudrockz]

Guess I'll just use the backside of a regular target and some crayons.

I'll find some and print them tonight. I'm pissed as hell.

On a side note, if I saw a group of terrorist thugs in body armor shooting up a pregnant lady, I don't give a SHIT if they hesitate or not. Because I won't in coming to her defense.

[donnay]

Yep... this is the kind of programming they are installing into cops now. They want to create a killer that possesses zero empathy and morals. Instead of giving the person an 'out', they want trained killers that 'react' by instinctive shooting rather than drop commands.

They want cops to be able to kill anyone... evidently, even their own kids.


That's why the IQ levels are in the 80s and many of these cops are on steroids and psychotropics. It's easier to have programmed killers that way. This was all done by design folks!

[AFPVet]

People would riot in the street if someone made targets of their benevolent protectors.

Just print out some pics, put them on cardboard... there you go!

[Anti Federalist]

Perhaps this is just denial, but when they can't spell "depicting," I have a hard time believing it's real. This forum feels completely surreal these days.

I've seen "loose" and "lose" and "two" and "too" mixed up in "official" memos from the CEO of my outfit, a multi-billion dollar outfit with global reach.

I'm going with real :-|

[Anti Federalist]

Who Knew Cops Suffer From a Surfeit of Sympathy?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/132589.html

Posted by Becky Akers on February 19, 2013 08:30 PM

But one devotee of fascism is out to eradicate any "hesitation" the costumed thugs may feel at killing expectant mothers, the elderly, or little kids: this corporation manufactures targets for cops to shoot that feature pictures of such folks aiming guns at their predators.

Thanks to John Windsor for a link to the company's website, which he sent me about 12 hours ago. I clicked on it then but didn't have time to blog. When I clicked again a few moments ago, I received an error message, "Server too busy." Yeehaw! --because in the meantime, Mr. Windsor told me he took the link from a post he saw at "Daily Paul," and Bill Martin also sent me the story from Alex Jones' website (to which I link above). It seems then that patriots all over the country have bombarded the company's server to see for themselves how Our Rulers and their fascist regime have declared open season even on the most vulnerable among us.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I've seen "loose" and "lose" and "two" and "too" mixed up in "official" memos from the CEO of my outfit, a multi-billion dollar outfit with global reach.

I'm going with real :-|


One of my greater internet joys is watching someone call someone else a looser. lol

[Occam's Banana]

One of my greater internet joys is watching someone call someone else a looser. lol

Me two.

[Matthew5]

A great way to get media attention would be to use cardboard cut outs of police, swat, and military officials at your local shooting range. Just explain that you're merely taking hesitancy training to be prepared for any threat if your family's life was in danger. Then sit back and watch the acrobatics in logic.

"But they're the good guys!"

[phill4paul]

Me two.

I thirdly.

[kcchiefs6465]

A great way to get media attention would be to use cardboard cut outs of police, swat, and military officials at your local shooting range. Just explain that you're merely taking hesitancy training to be prepared for any threat if your family's life was in danger. Then sit back and watch the acrobatics in logic.

"But they're the good guys!"
Their acrobatics in logic would probably be to arbitralily label you a domestic terrorist, to draw their weapon on you, and to shoot you should you make any movements whatsoever. I would not recommend it.

[kathy88]

I thirdly.

4th

[acptulsa]

4th

I think you meant 'forth'.

[moostraks]

"The company behind controversial shooting targets that include images of children, pregnant women and elderly gun owners received almost $2 million dollars in contracts from the Department of Homeland Security..."

The vast majority of those contracts were for “training aids” and “paperboard,” according to the USASpending.gov website, which lists numerous different contracts each in the region of $150,000 and $180,000 dollars stretching back to early 2010 and running through to July 2012.

While it is not known whether the DHS purchased the “no hesitation” targets, a company representative admitted to a customer that law enforcement agencies had “requested” at least one of the images which depicted a pregnant woman as a “threat”..."

http://www.infowars.com/company-behind-shooting-targets-of-children-received-2-million-from-dhs/

[dannno]

Who the fuck owns this kind of company, Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi??

[dannno]

A great way to get media attention would be to use cardboard cut outs of police, swat, and military officials at your local shooting range. Just explain that you're merely taking hesitancy training to be prepared for any threat if your family's life was in danger. Then sit back and watch the acrobatics in logic.

"But they're the good guys!"

lol..

[seapilot]

A great way to get media attention would be to use cardboard cut outs of police, swat, and military officials at your local shooting range. Just explain that you're merely taking hesitancy training to be prepared for any threat if your family's life was in danger. Then sit back and watch the acrobatics in logic.

"But they're the good guys!"

The posters are a sick joke , no need to sink to the level making counter posters, which would only give them the response they want. If these are real it would be more productive to get them spread out to all alternative media outlets. Expose it and get the public more aware of what is going on.

[bolil]

Could one imagine the outcry should LE targets be made for citizens, you know, in case of a worst case scenario and being forced to shoot a cop to ensure personal safety?

[HOLLYWOOD]

GOOGLE: articles covered by basically the Public Relations firms of the US/State governments: ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC HUFF POST/POLITICO

NO REPORTS!

Just covered by REASON, INFOWARS, and forums/minor news reporting.


1984 FASCIST MEDIA

[pacodever]

GOOGLE: articles covered by basically the Public Relations firms of the US/State governments: ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC HUFF POST/POLITICO

NO REPORTS!

Just covered by REASON, INFOWARS, and forums/minor news reporting.


1984 FASCIST MEDIA

Yep, Examiner, Gather, WND, The Moral Liberal, RT have picked it up now but no "major" outlets. They never picked up on the billions of hallow-point rounds purchased by DHS either....

[kcchiefs6465]

Yep, Examiner, Gather, WND, The Moral Liberal, RT have picked it up now but no "major" outlets. They never picked up on the billions of hallow-point rounds purchased by DHS either....
Huffpo picked up on the hollow point story... a mere half a year later.

[Intoxiklown]

Was my thought,, a hit is gonna ring your bell.
A kid with a pocket knife could finish the job at that point.

That shit is more Psychological Placebo for those wearing it.

We were always taught to aim for the groin area, at the "dick plate". You can get a round or two through there, and they will not be joining the chase to get you anytime soon. However, I hope you guys are ready, because you just opened the flood gates from a few people I've had debates with on these forums who are going to tell you that is you just buy special ammo, you can make your AR-15 into an armor piercing sniper rifles, PERFECT for engaging superior numbers at distance.

Just to throw this out again. This is why I went with the AK platform, as I'll take the extra mass and reliability / durability any day, then hoping I get to play like Tom Berenger from Sniper, and pick off larger and better equipped groups.

[mac_hine]

Duplicate post ///

[Uriel999]

We were always taught to aim for the groin area, at the "dick plate". You can get a round or two through there, and they will not be joining the chase to get you anytime soon. However, I hope you guys are ready, because you just opened the flood gates from a few people I've had debates with on these forums who are going to tell you that is you just buy special ammo, you can make your AR-15 into an armor piercing sniper rifles, PERFECT for engaging superior numbers at distance.

Just to throw this out again. This is why I went with the AK platform, as I'll take the extra mass and reliability / durability any day, then hoping I get to play like Tom Berenger from Sniper, and pick off larger and better equipped groups.

M855 ss109 does the job and is not fancy or high end, it's just what the military shoots. It will suffice. Nothing wrong with a solid AK but many of us are trained on the m16/4 platform and that alone is a plus.

[KingNothing]

My reaction to this was to say the following out loud:

"HOLY BUTTRAPING TURD WAFFLE! THAT CAN'T BE GOOD!"

[KingNothing]

Some of the comments in the Reason blog are great:

"Imagine the uproar if you started selling targets with cops on them.

Maybe a series called "No Adulation"?"

"I really want to say that we are being trolled with this. I mean they don't even spell "depicting" correctly..."

"You see that boys? Patrolman McFarlin hesitated and ultimately failed to shoot that small child with the toy gun, as well as his 8 months pregnant mother, who was pointing at something while holding her smartphone. And now he has to live with that vile shame as a coward."

""I guess I just hope that these are designed to make the officer think twice before pulling the trigger, as opposed to helping them make it easier."

That's exactly why they are labeled "no more hesitation", because they want the officer to think twice."


Copernicus| 2.19.13 @ 1:22PM |#

hmmm, is the baby in that lady's tummy also threatening the cop?
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Almanian!| 2.19.13 @ 1:23PM |#

BANG! BANG!

Not any more...
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[Intoxiklown]

M855 ss109 does the job and is not fancy or high end, it's just what the military shoots. It will suffice. Nothing wrong with a solid AK but many of us are trained on the m16/4 platform and that alone is a plus.


I understand, and I served in the Army as well. I am very familiar with the weapon. It's why I chose the AK, but keyword is choice. It is best for me.

[Uriel999]

I understand, and I served in the Army as well. I am very familiar with the weapon. It's why I chose the AK, but keyword is choice. It is best for me.

Bs! You just want hold it high on the sky and scream "WOLVERINES!!"

[Intoxiklown]

Bs! You just want hold it high on the sky and scream "WOLVERINES!!"

Damn it.....she swore she'd never show that footage to anyone I had her record......err.....

[UWDude]

So.... where is the MSM on this story? I think it would get a few ratings. I must be wrong. A broken down cruise ship steaming at 1 knot an hour towards port must be more interesting.

[KingNothing]

So.... where is the MSM on this story? I think it would get a few ratings. I must be wrong. A broken down cruise ship steaming at 1 knot an
hour towards port must be more interesting.

Also, a first lady's bangs. Aren't they just adorable?!

[kcchiefs6465]

Also, a first lady's bangs. Aren't they just adorable?!
Kimye is prego. Am I saying that right? Either way, maybe come November Huffpo will run their standard half a page explanation that, 'this is standard practice' and that there's 'nothing to see here.'

[wgadget]

Has anyone considered the possibility that 800,000 furloughed Pentagon employees could morph into Obama's CIVILIAN NATIONAL SECURITY FORCE to rival the military?

Just a thought.

[moostraks]

Has anyone considered the possibility that 800,000 furloughed Pentagon employees could morph into Obama's CIVILIAN NATIONAL SECURITY FORCE to rival the military?

Just a thought.

u suk :p ...thanx for that positive thought for the day.

[tangent4ronpaul]

GOOGLE: articles covered by basically the Public Relations firms of the US/State governments: ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC HUFF POST/POLITICO

NO REPORTS!

Just covered by REASON, INFOWARS, and forums/minor news reporting.


1984 FASCIST MEDIA


So.... where is the MSM on this story? I think it would get a few ratings. I must be wrong. A broken down cruise ship steaming at 1 knot an hour towards port must be more interesting.

This is what Google news is currently showing:

Full coverage
Company selling targets of kids got $2 million from DHS
WND.com - ‎9 hours ago‎
Minnesota-based Law Enforcement Training Inc., which brags of its close relationship with the DHS and thousands of law enforcement agencies, has stoked outrage after producing shooting targets which feature “non traditional” threats amidst banal .
.. http://www.google.com/news/url?sr=1&sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNG8Uv7chD6cw6iQCvsAGayL_I1mBA&did=4366b38f439e1645&cid=43982001236457&ei=QDMmUbDGDYjztgeYwQE&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wnd.com%2F2013%2F02%2Fcompany-selling-targets-of-kids-got-2-million-from-dhs%2F%3Fcat_orig%3Dus


Company selling targets with images of Americans to DHS for firearms training
Examiner.com - ‎Feb 19, 2013‎
Law Enforcement Targets, Inc., a company that sells law enforcement and federal agencies “realistic” paper targets for firearms training, is providing the Department of Homeland Security with images of “non-traditional threats.” The people in these images of ...
http://www.google.com/news/url?sr=1&sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_1_0_t&usg=AFQjCNHnwtyYaDDIdLSqeDe5r17D-YsyMQ&did=1345a886c5799fd7&cid=43982001236457&ei=QDMmUbDGDYjztgeYwQE&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.examiner.com%2Farticle%2Fcomp any-selling-targets-with-images-of-americans-to-dhs-for-firearms-training

Company designs targets with pictures of armed children, pregnant women
Examiner.com - ‎22 hours ago‎
According to USASpending.gov, the company landed $3 million in contracts with the Department of Defense and $1.9 million in contracts with Homeland Security. The Blaze said that as of 8:30 p.m. Eastern Time, the company's website was not working.
http://www.google.com/news/url?sr=1&sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_2_0_t&usg=AFQjCNE5g3lM9K7CRdj6-ij2mHHhAnku-Q&did=aa985401f874eb8a&cid=43982001236457&ei=QDMmUbDGDYjztgeYwQE&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.examiner.com%2Farticle%2Fcomp any-designs-targets-with-pictures-of-armed-children-pregnant-women

Company Creates Gun Targets of Pregnant Women, Children for Police to Shoot ...
Opposing Views - ‎7 hours ago‎
... is trying to make targets to kill citizens. I don't feel that's right,” Cooper responded. Besides business from police departments, Law Enforcement Training reportedly received almost $2 million dollars in contracts from the Department of Homeland Security.
http://www.google.com/news/url?sr=1&sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_3_0_t&usg=AFQjCNHrW8gIbj1_wfj-030k8krK0t3aGg&did=2097780a6dd4bcfd&cid=43982001236457&ei=QDMmUbDGDYjztgeYwQE&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opposingviews.com%2Fi%2Fsocie ty%2Fguns%2Fcompany-creates-gun-targets-pregnant-women-children-police-shoot-audio

Law Enforcement Agencies "Requested" Targets of Pregnant Women for ...
Gather.com - ‎20 hours ago‎
Law enforcement agencies "requested" shooting targets of pregnant women from an organization that also provides "no hesitation," or "NMH" targets to the Department of Homeland Security depicting "children, elderly gun owners and mothers in playground.
http://www.google.com/news/url?sr=1&sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_4_0_t&usg=AFQjCNEKRCLF0fS68egdetG_QRgzC1_-9w&did=765fc95eaccc6b4d&cid=43982001236457&ei=QDMmUbDGDYjztgeYwQE&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.gather.com%2FviewArticle.act ion%3FarticleId%3D281474981852011

Children, seniors, pregnant women depicted on police shooting targets
Examiner.com - ‎Feb 19, 2013‎
Children, the elderly and a pregnant woman – all of them brandishing guns - are pictured on shooting targets for the Department of Homeland Security, other government agencies and the police. The products evoke “Pavlovian, instinctive shooting” and teach ...
http://www.google.com/news/url?sr=1&sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_5_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFk2QU1QlTl9elmeqJQlZMUGEOrkw&did=1e7ac7e2afd58c88&cid=43982001236457&ei=QDMmUbDGDYjztgeYwQE&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.examiner.com%2Farticle%2Fchil dren-seniors-and-pregnant-women-depicted-on-police-shooting-targets

Police use 'pregnant women' as shooting targets
WND.com - ‎Feb 20, 2013‎
COM) Law Enforcement Targets, Inc., a provider of shooting targets to the Department of Homeland Security, has admitted that targets depicting pregnant women were “requested” by law enforcement agencies. As you can hear in the YouTube clip above, ...
http://www.google.com/news/url?sr=1&sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_6_0_t&usg=AFQjCNEyHcu0HPd7k0MK4_TCI3pt7S77CQ&did=ffbcd86c6b15fad6&cid=43982001236457&ei=QDMmUbDGDYjztgeYwQE&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wnd.com%2F2013%2F02%2Fpregnan t-women-used-as-shooting-targets-for-police%2F%3Fcat_orig%3Dus

If the story crashed the companies servers for a day, it had to have gotten some mileage. What's Twitter been like on the story?

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target1.jpg

If you kill mom, is it still an abortion?

-t

[wgadget]

u suk :p ...thanx for that positive thought for the day.

No problem...anytime.

Just trying to put two and two together...

[jmdrake]

Server is busy Error 404

http://www.letargets.com/about.aspx

http://www.letargets.com/estylez_ps.aspx?searchmode=category&searchcatcontext=~010000~010100~010101.2

My confidence level is high on this one.

I'll go with them being very, very real.

Why the surprise, is my only question.

Who the fuck do you think they were planning on shooting with that 4 billion rounds of ammo, huh?

Score another for Alex Jones and crew.

+rep OP

Oh but the government wouldn't kill 3,000 people on 9/11. :rolleyes: How long are we going to pretend things aren't as bad as they are just to keep from scaring off sheeple?

[V3n]

Wait... Why do they need these? They've been telling us "violent video games" desensitizes people.
Shouldn't they just be playing GTA instead?

:rolleyes:

[tangent4ronpaul]

Did anyone else contact their sheriff to ask if their department used these targets and express outrage?

Mine hasn't gotten back to me.

Contacting the list of sheriffs that said they would uphold gun rights might help too.

-t

[V3n]

Beware also Juggalos:

http://www.letargets.com/images/OPS-BBALL%20CLOWN.jpg
(are you really supposed to use deadly force against a baseball bat?)

And anything resembling this thing:

http://www.letargets.com/images/ops-robber.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Oh but the government wouldn't kill 3,000 people on 9/11. :rolleyes: How long are we going to pretend things aren't as bad as they are just to keep from scaring off sheeple?

I know that's rhetorical and not directed at me, but still, great point.

And if we get too far out of line and restless, next time they'll kill 30,000.

Or 3,000,000.

Just think of how fast every neo-fascist in government today could have their own personal wet dream scheme of power, surveillance and control enacted in the wake of an "inside job" bio or nuke attack that kills a couple million people.

I'm convinced these assholes around us would sacrifice their first born child, as in the days of the Bible, if the "authorities" told them it would keep them "safe".

[shane77m]

I know that's rhetorical and not directed at me, but still, great point.

And if we get too far out of line and restless, next time they'll kill 30,000.

Or 3,000,000.

Just think of how fast every neo-fascist in government today could have their own personal wet dream scheme of power, surveillance and control enacted in the wake of an "inside job" bio or nuke attack that kills a couple million people.

I'm convinced these assholes around us would sacrifice their first born child, as in the days of the Bible, if the "authorities" told them it would keep them "safe".

I think they are all Baal worshipers. Those people done some sick stuff.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I know that's rhetorical and not directed at me, but still, great point.

And if we get too far out of line and restless, next time they'll kill 30,000.

Or 3,000,000.

Just think of how fast every neo-fascist in government today could have their own personal wet dream scheme of power, surveillance and control enacted in the wake of an "inside job" bio or nuke attack that kills a couple million people.

I'm convinced these assholes around us would sacrifice their first born child, as in the days of the Bible, if the "authorities" told them it would keep them "safe".

So where would be "safe" to live for an inside job nuke attack...
If it's a liberal inside job, NYC, Chicago, and any major city in CA would be safe - they need those blue voters.
DC and Denver would be safe because they need their worker ants.
I'm thinking FL - get a lot of ppl off welfare (though the college kids would hate them - u know - spring break), or a couple of cities in TX are a pain in the ass...

Now if it were a conservative inside job...

-t

[S.Shorland]

Yet more evidence they are deliberately stifling your access to ammunition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuD59hoU4Sc

[presence]

I found more!




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Guns/FeinsteinGunExpert1.jpg
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/The-Conversation/2013/02/02/8436110735-5ec05750a2-bpreviewjpg.jpg

http://www.google.com/hostednews/getty/media/ALeqM5gEMqvLBmnmgqFErTk95XqqTRsmQw?docId=154016020
http://www.albanyweblog.com/2011_images/11-28-11_04.jpg

[tangent4ronpaul]

I found more!




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Guns/FeinsteinGunExpert1.jpg
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/The-Conversation/2013/02/02/8436110735-5ec05750a2-bpreviewjpg.jpg

http://www.google.com/hostednews/getty/media/ALeqM5gEMqvLBmnmgqFErTk95XqqTRsmQw?docId=154016020
http://www.albanyweblog.com/2011_images/11-28-11_04.jpg

I wonder how many of those ppl holding guns are on SSRI's...

It's a pretty good bet that wherever they are holding said firearms, it's illegal to be in possession of said type of firearm (excepting sir-golfs-alot)

-t

[LibertyEagle]

Hey guys, when you quote some outside source, please include a link to it.

[opal]

Info now passed around my little world

while there are folks still viewing this thread.. the pic of the senior guy with the shotgun.. where he's holding it for shooting - this is where I'd like to fire from with the 12ga.. all the action up by my face bugs me more than recoil and requires me to do strange head angles with glasses. Might anyone know what the scoop is on armpit/waist side shooting?

[Todd]

Beware also Juggalos:

http://www.letargets.com/images/OPS-BBALL%20CLOWN.jpg
(are you really supposed to use deadly force against a baseball bat?)



I would

[jmdrake]

So where would be "safe" to live for an inside job nuke attack...
If it's a liberal inside job, NYC, Chicago, and any major city in CA would be safe - they need those blue voters.
DC and Denver would be safe because they need their worker ants.
I'm thinking FL - get a lot of ppl off welfare (though the college kids would hate them - u know - spring break), or a couple of cities in TX are a pain in the ass...

Now if it were a conservative inside job...

-t

If you're still thinking "liberal voters" versus "conservative voters" then you've already missed the point. "They" can manipulate "red state" voters just as easily as they can "blue state voters". I was listening to a local "conservative" talk show host lament how many gun owners were willing to go along with expanded background checked, although they were against assault weapons bans. But this is the same asshole that was defending the NDAA just a few months ago. His rationale? "I haven't seen any real abuse of the Patriot Act." :rolleyes: Well....we've had the Brady Bill and the assault weapons ban before and the world didn't come to an end either. My point? People willing to cave on principal and trade "liberty for security" in one sphere will do it in another. And "conservatives" have been doing that for years. Nuking a liberal city will convince many of these fake conservatives to go along with "Patriot Act 2" and just gloss over the gun control provisions.

[coastie]

I would

As would I-even when I was still law enforcement. You can easily be killed by a baseball bat. More are killed by them, than firearms in this country, after all.


But seriously, it would depend on distance between him and I. Thats what REAL l.e. training teaches.


I honestly dont even see why the targets all have weapons in their hands...If history is any indicator, that is not a requirement, and hasn't been in quite sometime ...

[Anti Federalist]

Is it Jugg-a-LOWS or Jugg-a-LEWS

[Mach]

Retired Cop: Desensitizing Police Training Is Brainchild Of Sick Social Engineers

http://www.infowars.com/retired-cop-desensitizing-police-training-is-brainchild-of-sick-social-engineers/


A retired Houston cop believes that the recent production of “non traditional” shooting targets at the request of law enforcement and the government indicates that there is a disturbing ongoing program to desensitize police.

T.F. Stern, writing on his website The Moral Liberal, states that the cardboard cutouts of pregnant women, children, and elderly citizens, for police target practice can only have been created by a “sick mind”, with the intention of having police officers or Homeland Security “goons” completely disregard humanity.




Standing Armies and Targets — T.F. Stern ( "Moral Liberal")

http://www.themoralliberal.com/2013/02/20/standing-armies-and-targets-t-f-stern/


At what point do you come to the realization that perhaps a society isn’t worth saving? That’s an interesting thought to enter your mind at four in the morning.

I’m not saying we should bring down the flood waters and wipe out the human race or anything quite so radical; just wondering how depraved our thoughts have become in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

A couple of recent news items spurred the idea, when is a society not worth saving?

An article on Infowars.com by Paul Joseph Watson brought up a rather unsettling issue; there’s a company producing and selling targets for law enforcement use, or, I suppose, anyone else, depicting what they call “non traditional threats”.

“The targets include “pregnant woman threat,” “older man with shotgun,” “older man in home with shotgun,” “older woman with gun,” “young school aged girl,” “young mother on playground,” and “little boy with real gun.”

Why are top training target suppliers for the government supplying the likes of the DHS with “non-traditional threat” targets of children, pregnant women, mothers in playgrounds, and elderly American gun owners unless there is a demand for such items?”

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"It depends on whos kids are killed."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/128745.html

[invisible]

Those pictures / "targets" really need some captions:

pregnant woman: "I don't care what the neighbors said, show me a warrant or GTFO!"
old man with shotgun: "I never asked for no inspection! Git offa my land!"
little boy: "I got it for my birthday, and I've been waiting almost a year now to use it on trespassers like you!"
young mother on playground: "My taxes paid for this playground, and I never signed any contract for your curfew".

[youngbuck]

Is it Jugg-a-LOWS or Jugg-a-LEWS The former.

[shane77m]

From their Farcebook page.


We apologize for the offensive nature of our “No More Hesitation” products. These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.

This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers for unusually complex situations where split-second decisions could lead to unnecessary loss of life.

Consistent with our company mission as a training supplier (not a training methods company), we will continue to seek input from law enforcement professionals to better serve their training objectives and qualification needs. We sincerely appreciate law enforcement professionals for the risks they take in providing safety and defending freedom.

https://www.facebook.com/LawEnforcementTargets?ref=ts&fref=ts

[CCTelander]

From their Farcebook page.



https://www.facebook.com/LawEnforcementTargets?ref=ts&fref=ts


I notice that they DIDN'T say they had stopped producing or discontinued the product line, merely that those products had been "taken offline."

[V3n]

We apologize for the offensive nature of our “No More Hesitation” products. These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.

They didn't say they'd stop making them, you just can't buy them from the website anymore..
but if DHS wants them, they know where to get them..

[coastie]

Consistent with our company mission as a training supplier (not a training methods company), we will continue to seek input from law enforcement professionals to better serve their training objectives and qualification needs. We sincerely appreciate law enforcement professionals for the risks they take in providing safety and defending freedom.

http://www.picvalley.net/u/2286/1093150729870599781361556244f9kJi2fTlDGe8juIbZvP.G IF (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/2286/1093150729870599781361556244f9kJi2fTlDGe8juIbZvP.G IF)

[Anti Federalist]

bump

[kcchiefs6465]

bump
Thanks. I missed their Facebook response.

[BAllen]

Notice how they are all WHITE PEOPLE! Just another example of ethnic cleansing of whites by the marxist overlords.

[A Son of Liberty]

Notice how they are all WHITE PEOPLE! Just another example of ethnic cleansing of whites by the marxist overlords.

LE already has no hesitation when it comes to shooting at dark-skinned people.

[BAllen]

LE already has no hesitation when it comes to shooting at dark-skinned people.

Almost forgot. Traditional White family people. Grandpa, pregnant mom, docile children. Yeah, real threats there, huh?

[coastie]

http://www.picvalley.net/u/2777/105079801610854232281361818644Gsg0Fkdx32Pmbv4kXXQF .JPG (http://www.picvalley.net/v.php?p=u/2777/105079801610854232281361818644Gsg0Fkdx32Pmbv4kXXQF .JPG)

[A Son of Liberty]

bump for red pill

[Anti Federalist]

Picture of an innocent man, gunned down by cops in TX on his own property.

http://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jerry-wayne-waller.jpg?w=420&h=315

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/05/28/police-shoot-kill-grandfather-while-responding-to-burglary-call/#comments

Officer Safety was ensured.

Guess those targets work, huh?

[KingRobbStark]

Imagine if we had pictures of those assholes im our shooting ranges?

[tod evans]

Imagine if we had pictures of those assholes im our shooting ranges?


It's harder on mundanes, practice requires avoiding the vest...:eek:

[ClydeCoulter]

It's harder on mundanes, practice requires avoiding the vest...:eek:

Note to self: Practice more for quality than for quantity.

[idiom]

Pretty sure these are not to stop hesitation, but to teach the DHS to aim a god forsaken weapon.

Regular targets just don't help them unless they are barn sized.

[CCTelander]

Bump