I Pledge Allegiance...

[jabowery]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Constitution for which it stands, sovereign states, under God, freely united, with liberty and justice for all.

[Anti Federalist]

A-hem...

When, in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.

[W]hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce the people under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

[erowe1]

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams

[shane77m]

A-hem...

When, in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.

reported. We can't the mundanes going around talking about setting up knew governments.

Edit:
reported. We can't the mundanes going around talking about setting up :toady:new:toady: governments.

[TonySutton]

The founding fathers never pledged allegiance to the flag.

[Anti Federalist]

reported. We can't the mundanes going around talking about setting up knew governments.

As matter of civil disobedience, I've been wanting to read the Declaration, perhaps just slightly edited to sound like a "modern" manifesto, and see if I can get arrested.

I contend that I could, easily.

[shane77m]

As matter of civil disobedience, I've been wanting to read the Declaration, perhaps just slightly edited to sound like a "modern" manifesto, and see if I can get arrested.

I contend that I could, easily.

I am sure of it.

[erowe1]

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[ClydeCoulter]

"... Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. .."

This is the part that gets played around the edges, up to the line, to see how far...

[Anti Federalist]

"... Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. .."

This is the part that gets played around the edges, up to the line, to see how far...

I deliberately edited that part out, as nothing that is happening to us right now, is "light or transient".

This government is a "clear and present danger" to ourselves and people all over the world.

[pcosmar]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-afhNihFrUQg/TsqBgMlurzI/AAAAAAAADHc/IbjBLV6xNfM/s1600/Bellamy1.jpg

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whats-conservative-about-pledge-allegiance


What’s so conservative about the Pledge?

Very little, as it turns out. From its inception, in 1892, the Pledge has been a slavish ritual of devotion to the state, wholly inappropriate for a free people. It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist pushed out of his post as a Baptist minister for delivering pulpit-pounding sermons on such topics as “Jesus the Socialist.” Bellamy was devoted to the ideas of his more-famous cousin Edward Bellamy, author of the 1888 utopian novel Looking Backward.

[Confederate]

The founding fathers never pledged allegiance to the flag.

Neither do terrorists.

[DamianTV]

In the OP, there was one word that was misplaced, but I understand the reason for this.

That word was REPUBLIC, even though we are told we live in a Democracy, one that isnt even a real democracy or a Socialism, but the ultimate merger between Socialism and Corpratism, Facism, Facism under a Plutocracy that controls our Criminal Congress. Under such a form of government, the people have no idea who the power to govern belongs to, but falsely believe that the power to determine their own fates lie in their hands.

None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe themselves to be free.

I think this is why Ron Paul was a Republican.

[The Free Hornet]

Neither do terrorists.

Yet again, you don't know what you're talking about.


Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, Anwar’s son and Nasser’s grandson, had no-known ties to terrorism. He was born in Colorado and spent the first half of his life in the United States. (http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/05/grandfather-grieves-teenage-grandson-killed-by-u-s-drone/)

Either, the people who killed him are terrorists who - in all probability - have said the pledge of allegiance. Or, Abdulrahman really was a terrorist who likely said the pledge during the first half (8 years) of his life in the US. This is conjecture, but given this conjecture can be made hundreds of thousands of times, it is trivial to assume you are, again, wrong.

[DamianTV]

The Real Terrorists are the ones who hijacked the Money System of the world, and use it to pit Nation against Nation, for their own benefit.

[jabowery]

A-hem...

You give no indication that you read what I wrote. On the contrary, you appear to have not read it and thought that I merely posted the "Pledge of Allegiance" that is obligatory at the start of any meeting of Republicans.

[DamianTV]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Constitution for which it stands, sovereign states, under God, freely united, with liberty and justice for all.

Quick question, why was the word "Republic" replaced with the word "Constitution"?

[otherone]

Mares eat oats,
And does eat oats,
And little lambs eat ivy.
A kid will eat ivy too;
Wouldn't you?

[jabowery]

In the OP, there was one word that was misplaced..

No there were several:

Republic -> Constitution
one nation -> sovereign States
indivisible -> freely united

The reasons are as follows:

The Constitution implies the Republic but not vis versa.

The Constitution is a contract between sovereign states. The nation precedes even the sovereign states.

States cannot be considered to be freely united if they are not free to separate.

Why bother trying to "fix" an abomination like the Pledge of Allegiance?

Simple:

Many of us are obliged to attend meetings of the Republican Party. At the start of these meetings everyone is expected to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance with their hands held over their hearts. If one does not wish to impede the business of said meetings with digressions into possibly interminable and ultimately destructive debates, one might wish to appear to be among the sheep but instead utter words that are not a lie.

[Original_Intent]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Constitution for which it stands, sovereign states, under God, freely united, with liberty and justice for all.

That's close to what I say:

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the united States, and to the republic which it formed, one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all.

[Occam's Banana]

You give no indication that you read what I wrote. On the contrary, you appear to have not read it and thought that I merely posted the "Pledge of Allegiance" that is obligatory at the start of any meeting of Republicans.

Well, I did read it - and I much prefer AF's rendition of the Declaration of Independence over your bastardized Pledge of Allegiance.

The former is far superior to the latter in both tone and spirit (as strongly suggested by their respective titles).

It also possesses the virtue of not having been modelled on something written by a raving, collectivistic statist.

[Anti Federalist]

You give no indication that you read what I wrote. On the contrary, you appear to have not read it and thought that I merely posted the "Pledge of Allegiance" that is obligatory at the start of any meeting of Republicans.

I read it and fully noted the changes you made and still find it lacking as I will not pledge allegiance to a flag.

[pcosmar]

I read it and fully noted the changes you made and still find it lacking as I will not pledge allegiance to a flag.

I was taught to in school.. and recited it with little or no thought.
I have since given it thought.
I pledge no allegiance to any but God.

No King but Jesus.

I made an oath to defend the Constitution of the Unites States..
It is all but Moot at this point,, having been violated in every way to the point of non-existence.

still a good guide that I would like to see restored,, but I have little hope of that,, ever.

:(
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[NorfolkPCSolutions]

The Real Terrorists are the ones who hijacked the Money System of the world, and use it to pit Nation against Nation, for their own benefit.

godDAMN - Home run...

[bunklocoempire]

I was taught to in school.. and recited it with little or no thought.
I have since given it thought.
I pledge no allegiance to any but God.

No King but Jesus.

I made an oath to defend the Constitution of the Unites States..
It is all but Moot at this point,, having been violated in every way to the point of non-existence.

still a good guide that I would like to see restored,, but I have little hope of that,, ever.

:(
.

Amen. And the rest will surely follow.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Many of us are obliged to attend meetings of the Republican Party. At the start of these meetings everyone is expected to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance with their hands held over their hearts. If one does not wish to impede the business of said meetings with digressions into possibly interminable and ultimately destructive debates, one might wish to appear to be among the sheep but instead utter words that are not a lie.

Okay, here's a suggestion: If you feel the pledge must be edited in order to be stated in a fashion that fits your worldview, it shouldn't be stated. Therefore, remain silent with your hand over your heart, or don't, and when it raises attention - and it will - simply say something religious. God doesn't want you to swear oaths, and the Pledge is, by definition, an oath.

If you don't believe in God, though, I suppose you're fucked.

[Anti Federalist]

Many of us are obliged to attend meetings of the Republican Party. At the start of these meetings everyone is expected to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance with their hands held over their hearts. If one does not wish to impede the business of said meetings with digressions into possibly interminable and ultimately destructive debates, one might wish to appear to be among the sheep but instead utter words that are not a lie.

A good reason for me to not attend any GOP meetings any time soon.

I take blood oaths rather seriously.

[jabowery]

A good reason for me to not attend any GOP meetings any time soon.

I take blood oaths rather seriously.

Understood. What is your mode of action?

[pcosmar]

Understood. What is your mode of action?

I pray.
A lot lately.

[heavenlyboy34]

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams
It's a great quote. But what Adams probably couldn't predict was that a regime would rise in his country ~a decade later that was more tyrannical than any he had known of. :(

[jbauer]

reported. We can't the mundanes going around talking about setting up knew governments.

Lol Knew!!

[jbauer]

As matter of civil disobedience, I've been wanting to read the Declaration, perhaps just slightly edited to sound like a "modern" manifesto, and see if I can get arrested.

I contend that I could, easily.

That is a FRIGGIN GREAT IDEA.

[shane77m]

Lol Knew!!

Fixed it and left the original.

[Anti Federalist]

Understood. What is your mode of action?

Preaching the gospel of secession/revolution at the local/state level.

[noneedtoaggress]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=618U-_8o31k

[mac_hine]

Judge Andrew Napolitano — On the Pledge Of Allegiance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMgUBPL8dK8

I for one, will never pledge an oath of allegiance to a piece of Chinese made fabric or an old dusty scrap of hemp parchment.

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” ~Lysander Spooner