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TheTexan
02-17-2013, 12:14 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-16/guest-post-gun-rights-are-there-any-peaceful-solutions-left

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/02/molon%20labe.jpg

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes: Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war. Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result. My response would be – just give them time. You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”. Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populace is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss. One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”.

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes. However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system. Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore. It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity. A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name. Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite. The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values.

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy. It is not our ally or friend. It is not a “part of us”. It is now a separate and dangerous entity. A parasite feeding off the masses. It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans. It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it? If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us? Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads?

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion. Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land. However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country. Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections. For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/02/03/first-molon-labe-town-in-america/

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”. It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”. Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-asks-police-help-pass-183056466.html

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55716645-90/com-congress-doing-enforcement.html.csp

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone. While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri. The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms. It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality. Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility). The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court). At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation. The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.

Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation. Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world). Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though. Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it. The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience.

This brand of internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM. States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income. North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either. Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want. All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.

Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation. The process is usually done in a standardized manner: First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners. Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06). Then take all semi-auto handguns. Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”. Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”. Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting. Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left.

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation. I am not discounting that possibility. But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration.

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun. Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit. You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked. If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are. Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have. The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.

Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future. Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year. Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed. Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think). That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted. The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting. Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise. Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last. Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction. For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all. If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly. Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags. This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

http://defensedistributed.com/

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale. But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant.

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas. And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment. The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others. It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous. The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has. It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets. We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power. The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct. However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government. And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution. The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly. Force them to show their true colors. Expose their dishonor and maliciousness. Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy. They will claim that we need a "majority" we do not have in order to prevail. These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives. They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant. They mean nothing. No revolution for good ever begins with "majority support". Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals. When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy. All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime. We are the first and last line. If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come. This is our responsibility. This is our providence. There can be no complacency. There can be no compromise. There can be no fear. It ends on this ground. One way, or another…

shane77m
02-17-2013, 12:23 AM
Hopefully enough people will not comply.

green73
02-17-2013, 12:28 AM
Of course there is.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard78.html

Anti Federalist
02-17-2013, 12:34 AM
Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy. They will claim that we need a "majority" we do not have in order to prevail. These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives. They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant. They mean nothing. No revolution for good ever begins with "majority support". Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals. When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy. All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.

There is no more to be said, save that.

Enough talk.

I will not comply with these latter day "Intolerable Acts".

Use of force to gain compliance will result in resistance, by all means at my disposal.

Fuck off.

green73
02-17-2013, 12:36 AM
There are 300 million of us and how many of them?

shane77m
02-17-2013, 01:49 AM
This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes. However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system. Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore. It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity. A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name. Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite. The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values.

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy. It is not our ally or friend. It is not a “part of us”. It is now a separate and dangerous entity. A parasite feeding off the masses. It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans. It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.

If only more people would realize that the gubment is not out to help them nor be their friend. Just because they get an Obamaphone does not mean they are BFF's.

alucard13mmfmj
02-17-2013, 02:34 AM
There are 300 million of us and how many of them?

except probably 95% of them will be placate or wont fight/dont care.

tod evans
02-17-2013, 05:45 AM
Are there any peaceful solutions left?…

I've never believed flowers to be a suitable response to government agents dressed in body armor carrying automatic weapons...

"Peaceful" is the lull between wars and government has declared war...

beaven
02-17-2013, 11:16 AM
You are free if you choose to be free. You do not have to act in violence against any other. No matter what the government does, I continue to choose to be free. St. Cyrpain was free as the Romans decapitated him. Maximilian Kolbe was free when he was dehydrating to death. Boethius was free the days he awaited his execution. Boethius has a good book about it, The Consolation of Philosophy.

torchbearer
02-17-2013, 11:30 AM
You are free if you choose to be free. You do not have to act in violence against any other. No matter what the government does, I continue to choose to be free. St. Cyrpain was free as the Romans decapitated him. Maximilian Kolbe was free when he was dehydrating to death. Boethius was free the days he awaited his execution. Boethius has a good book about it, The Consolation of Philosophy.


if you are getting your head cut off, you aren't free.
unless you mean, free to die at another man's whim.
pacifist have no rights, or they only have the rights someone hasn't taken from them yet.

tod evans
02-17-2013, 12:08 PM
You are free if you choose to be free. You do not have to act in violence against any other. No matter what the government does, I continue to choose to be free. St. Cyrpain was free as the Romans decapitated him. Maximilian Kolbe was free when he was dehydrating to death. Boethius was free the days he awaited his execution. Boethius has a good book about it, The Consolation of Philosophy.

I'll fight for your right to be a martyr, however I will not go peacefully!

Tod
02-17-2013, 12:25 PM
There are 300 million of us and how many of them?

Weren't only 3% actively fighting in the revolution? That means 9,000,000. Or 180,000/state.

shane77m
02-17-2013, 12:29 PM
Weren't only 3% actively fighting in the revolution? That means 9,000,000. Or 180,000/state.

Look at the chaos just one man in California just caused. Imagine what 3% could do.

pcosmar
02-17-2013, 12:35 PM
Are there any peaceful solutions left?

Become a Hermit,, never be seen or heard from again.

Good luck with that.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
02-17-2013, 12:49 PM
When American patriots aren't allowed to buy the same weapons as those who they have to fight against in the defense of their neighbors (Love thy neighbor as thyself), then the government will then stop regulating the quality of the two different classes of weapons. Of course, they will insure the high quality of military weapons while ignoring the quality that goes into militia weapons.
You see, ignorance today is a result of an erosion from the original new order our Founders established. Once again, as the official military was organized to protect the U.S. government, which was at the time and still is a dynamic entity, the unofficial militia was organized to protect the people in their homes, which was at the time and still is entrenched.
When in a fight to the death in a bar, one can't worry about stomping on and smashing babies. England and the U.S. government were, at the time, like two pimps fighting over the American people. In protecting the people from this tyranny, the militia was organized. According to the second amendment, the right for the people (the militia) to bear arms shall not be infringed. That means the Federal government, a bastion of drunken impostors, needs to keep its filthy noses out from where they don't belong.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
02-17-2013, 01:05 PM
Are there any peaceful solutions left?

Become a Hermit,, never be seen or heard from again.

Good luck with that.

A rational tyranny won't be able to stand against a people who are envisioned and empowered. As the Almighty in Genesis commanded the bigger and stronger to come forth as dominant over the smaller and weaker, Jesus, in the end, commanded us to eat and drink Him. To me, this means to control and make of Him what is necessary for the advancement of our contentment. This has significance to me because, at the time, Jesus was in a withering state of narrowing down to what was the most crucial. It was during this latter time that he quit healing other than to show what was the most crucial organ of the ear to listen with. In the end, the most worthless become more significant than the worthwhile in matters concerning preservation. The body becomes more important than the head in saving.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
02-17-2013, 01:24 PM
Look at the chaos just one man in California just caused. Imagine what 3% could do.

They entice you out in the open and then they slice you to pieces like a lawn mower. In any civil war, this is what happens at first. Instead, we need to be up front about influencing the police, the military, and those subordinate to the senior editors of the media. The process works like this. First you impeach the bastard, then you prosecute him, and then you ban him from ever serving in government again. To achieve this, we need to light a fire under our state government officials who aren't much better than the social communist bastard in power now. By bastard, understand, we refer to everything save our mothers in Texas as a bastard.

shane77m
02-17-2013, 01:32 PM
They entice you out in the open and then they slice you to pieces like a lawn mower. In any civil war, this is what happens at first. Instead, we need to be up front about influencing the police, the military, and those subordinate to the senior editors of the media. The process works like this. First you impeach the bastard, then you prosecute him, and then you ban him from ever serving in government again. To achieve this, we need to light a fire under our state government officials who aren't much better than the social communist bastard in power now. By bastard, understand, we refer to everything save our mothers in Texas as a bastard.



http://youtu.be/5AKWsR0pTyQ

Unfortunately Obama has proven to unimpeachable. Hopefully the states will begin to use their authority under the 10th but as many of them love them some Federal money......

PierzStyx
02-18-2013, 05:22 AM
Resistance not need be violent. Civil disobedience, refusing to comply no matter what, will immediately free the practitioner. Even if they imprison or kill you, you have freed yourself. Enough people practice it then state oppression becomes impossible without having to kill. Deaths will happen in either way. I rather have the blood on their hands.

PierzStyx
02-18-2013, 05:28 AM
Look at the chaos just one man in California just caused. Imagine what 3% could do.

And look how it turned out for him. You think it'd be any different when the 97% come down on the 3% with both feet? I don't. If violence is your path ast least be honest with yourself about its bloody result..

PierzStyx
02-18-2013, 05:40 AM
I'll fight for your right to be a martyr, however I will not go peacefully!
And you will still die. The difference being you will have blood on your hands to.

Do not mistake peaceful resistance for weakness. Gandhi demonstrated how out is possible to free a people without becoming the killer you fight against. In fact killing is the ready path. It is easy to seize a gun and kill. Out is much harder to give yourself in an effort to not only free others by win the hearts of your oppressors to liberty.

tod evans
02-18-2013, 06:27 AM
Throughout history wars have been won by fighting..

Even Dr. Paul acknowledges that there are times when fighting is necessary..

I'm all for those who are able, and who desire too, to exercise any form of passive resistance.....I am not one.

I'll try talking and logic but when it comes down to it I'm going to fight, it's my nature.

We can work toward the same goal without using the same technique, I don't believe the end results would be compromised...




And you will still die. The difference being you will have blood on your hands to.

Do not mistake peaceful resistance for weakness. Gandhi demonstrated how out is possible to free a people without becoming the killer you fight against. In fact killing is the ready path. It is easy to seize a gun and kill. Out is much harder to give yourself in an effort to not only free others by win the hearts of your oppressors to liberty.

pacelli
02-18-2013, 06:36 AM
The only peaceful solution at this point will be for the feds to back the fuck off.

JK/SEA
02-18-2013, 07:07 AM
The only peaceful solution at this point will be for the feds to back the fuck off.

yep.

also, threads like this get me to wondering if the reason for starting this topic is 'bait' to out any anti-government rhetoric. Be careful how you respond to such threads...

this has been a PSA from someone who is awake.

TheTexan
02-18-2013, 11:30 AM
yep.

also, threads like this get me to wondering if the reason for starting this topic is 'bait' to out any anti-government rhetoric. Be careful how you respond to such threads...

this has been a PSA from someone who is awake.

Reported for interfering with a government operation

shane77m
02-18-2013, 11:40 AM
As long as elections matter there will be a peaceful solution.

TheTexan
02-18-2013, 11:41 AM
As long as elections matter there will be a peaceful solution.

In other words, there is no peaceful solution? :(

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
02-18-2013, 11:43 AM
As long as elections matter there will be a peaceful solution.

The only way elections will ever work on the national level is when the duties of the Federal government become so insignificant that it really doesn't matter who gets elected.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
02-18-2013, 11:54 AM
yep.

also, threads like this get me to wondering if the reason for starting this topic is 'bait' to out any anti-government rhetoric. Be careful how you respond to such threads...

this has been a PSA from someone who is awake.

The best way to deceive the impostors in charge of our government today is to fool them with honesty and the truth while being above-board and out in the open about it. At the very heart of this evil set up against the people today are cowards who have surrounded themselves with armies of strong men and mysterious secret organizations of fiendish foes. The U.S. Congress has porned themselves into oblivion to the extent they have become powerless. The U.S. Supreme Court is nothing more than a bunch of silly old popes who double stamp the corrupt legislation enacted by congress in contempt of the people's Civil Purpose.

Czolgosz
02-18-2013, 12:04 PM
Throughout history wars have been won by fighting..

Even Dr. Paul acknowledges that there are times when fighting is necessary..

I'm all for those who are able, and who desire too, to exercise any form of passive resistance.....I am not one.

I'll try talking and logic but when it comes down to it I'm going to fight, it's my nature.

We can work toward the same goal without using the same technique, I don't believe the end results would be compromised...



Completely agree. I support friends of freedom trying the method that works for them.

I personally believe that eggs *must* be broken, it reminds your enemy the cost of tyranny.

Pericles
02-18-2013, 12:18 PM
And look how it turned out for him. You think it'd be any different when the 97% come down on the 3% with both feet? I don't. If violence is your path ast least be honest with yourself about its bloody result..

Of that 97%:
35% are too fat to get off the couch
20% are only interested in violence for personal gain
20% abhor violence and refuse to touch a firearm
20% don't do anything that involves personal risk
2% are tyrants, or want to be tyrants

TheTexan
02-18-2013, 12:29 PM
Of that 97%:
35% are too fat to get off the couch
20% are only interested in violence for personal gain
20% abhor violence and refuse to touch a firearm
20% don't do anything that involves personal risk
2% are tyrants, or want to be tyrants

That. It will also be a LOT easier if we give up California and let the socialists have it.

pacelli
02-18-2013, 02:02 PM
yep.

also, threads like this get me to wondering if the reason for starting this topic is 'bait' to out any anti-government rhetoric. Be careful how you respond to such threads...

this has been a PSA from someone who is awake.

I've had similar thoughts. I love them for it. . ;)

pacelli
02-18-2013, 02:02 PM
In other words, there is no peaceful solution? :(


bingo. +rep

pacelli
02-18-2013, 02:05 PM
Of that 97%:
35% are too fat to get off the couch
20% are only interested in violence for personal gain
20% abhor violence and refuse to touch a firearm
20% don't do anything that involves personal risk
2% are tyrants, or want to be tyrants

Ok--- but "when the time comes" their stockpiles become ours. :)

They'll have died off, homes abandoned. No telling what we'll find either. We should use THEIR technology NOW to locate and detail, in writing, "caches" of supply & support any of us are bound to come across by doing a little googlin.

I try to view those sorts of folks as potential mobile resupply pods. A utilitarian approach.

shane77m
02-18-2013, 02:07 PM
Ok--- but "when the time comes" their stockpiles become ours. :) They'll have died off, homes abandoned. No telling what we'll find either. I try to view those sorts of folks as potential mobile resupply pods. A utilitarian approach.

Cheetos and Twinkies

PierzStyx
02-19-2013, 09:29 AM
Throughout history wars have been won by fighting..

Even Dr. Paul acknowledges that there are times when fighting is necessary..

I'm all for those who are able, and who desire too, to exercise any form of passive resistance.....I am not one.

I'll try talking and logic but when it comes down to it I'm going to fight, it's my nature.

We can work toward the same goal without using the same technique, I don't believe the end results would be compromised...

Passive resistance isn't passive. It is fighting, just as much as using a gun. But it is a better way, the harder way. Returning good for evil, peace for violence, love for hate is not an easy way to fight the war for liberty. Picking up a gun may be natural, it is natural. I wouldn't condemn you for doing so. But there is a way better than nature to win the battle before us. The battle we face cannot be won with arms. We face a war of ideas were we must help people change the way they think and teach them to understand liberty. Bullets cannot do that. Guns cannot change minds,only atomize them. Only love can change hearts and minds.

PierzStyx
02-19-2013, 09:48 AM
Of that 97%:
35% are too fat to get off the couch
20% are only interested in violence for personal gain
20% abhor violence and refuse to touch a firearm
20% don't do anything that involves personal risk
2% are tyrants, or want to be tyrants


You wish. In reality most have no problem fighting "treason" with overwhelming force. They'll slaughter first and feel guilty afterwards. Do not make the mistake of underestimating the opponent.

AuH20
02-19-2013, 09:50 AM
As long as elections matter there will be a peaceful solution.

I don't know how to answer this.

AuH20
02-19-2013, 09:51 AM
And you will still die. The difference being you will have blood on your hands to.

Do not mistake peaceful resistance for weakness. Gandhi demonstrated how out is possible to free a people without becoming the killer you fight against. In fact killing is the ready path. It is easy to seize a gun and kill. Out is much harder to give yourself in an effort to not only free others by win the hearts of your oppressors to liberty.

Gandhi was not the pushover, people erroneously claim he was. Gandhi abhorred violence but was very much a self-defense advocate.

PierzStyx
02-19-2013, 09:57 AM
Of that 97%:
35% are too fat to get off the couch
20% are only interested in violence for personal gain
20% abhor violence and refuse to touch a firearm
20% don't do anything that involves personal risk
2% are tyrants, or want to be tyrants


You wish. In reality most have no problem fighting "treason" with overwhelming force. They'll slaughter first and feel guilty afterwards. Do not make the mistake of underestimating the opponent. Remember most leftists haven no problem killing millions as long as its government sanctioned.

AuH20
02-19-2013, 09:58 AM
You wish. In reality most have no problem fighting "treason" with overwhelming force. They'll slaughter first and feel guilty afterwards. Do not make the mistake of underestimating the opponent. Remember most leftists haven no problem killing millions as long as its government sanctioned.

Which they will do regardless..........

Anti Federalist
02-19-2013, 12:25 PM
Guns cannot change minds,only atomize them.

Some minds need atomizing.

An interesting avatar as well, considering the philosophical position you are advocating.

;)

All that said, the people that got marched off to the gulags or the NAZI camps didn't change anybody's mind, they just ended up a corpse in a mass grave.

Genocides by government continue, and will happen again.

I'll take my chances in a fight, and if it be my time to die, I'll make it on my terms, not the tyrant's.

Pericles
02-19-2013, 02:44 PM
You wish. In reality most have no problem fighting "treason" with overwhelming force. They'll slaughter first and feel guilty afterwards. Do not make the mistake of underestimating the opponent. Remember most leftists haven no problem killing millions as long as its government sanctioned.

Most tyrants and leftists (generally the same) are post modernists. There is really nothing worth dying for as for themselves - but plenty worth other people dying for them. The mass of people just try to get along, and really have no strong preference one way or another.

True believers who stand for a principle greater than themselves do have something worth their lives - which is the difference, and why they usually win. As many of us consider this life transitory anyway, if fighting for that principle takes us to that undiscovered country form which bourne no traveler returns, we are convinced that we are better off.

When it becomes clear that beingin the employ of tyrants is a bad career choice, the situation will swing rapidly.

DamianTV
02-19-2013, 03:02 PM
Revolution in a Nutshell:

Step #1: The Thought Crime - Organize and share information about what is wrong.

Step #2: Peaceful Revolution - Do not fund the controlling criminal organization by not paying taxes or conducting business in a manner that supports said organization. This has been rendered obsolete by the Printing Press of the Federal Reserve Bank.

Step #3: Violent Outbreak. Unfortunately, if the people have not had the courage to be active during Steps #1 and #2, then Step #3 will most likely fail as well.