65 year old woman pulled over for "Buckeye" sticker.....

[phill4paul]

A 65-year-old woman was pulled over by police officers while driving through Tennessee after the officers mistook her car's Buckeye stickers - those commonly seen on the helmets of Ohio State football players - for a marijuana symbol.

"It's just amazing they would be that dumb," said Bonnie Jonas-Boggioni, which pretty much sums up this entire story.

Jonas-Boggioni and her husband, Giorgio Boggioni, 66, of Plano, Texas, were driving home through Tennessee from Columbus, Ohio, where they had attended a funeral for Jonas-Boggioni's mother.

The two were pulled over a few miles east of Memphis, along I-40, and were greeted by a pair of black SUVs containing officers wearing "body armor and guns," Jonas-Boggioni told Joe Blundo of The Columbus Dispatch.

"What are you doing with a marijuana sticker on your bumper?" one of the officers asked.

That led Jonas-Boggioni and her husband to explain the meaning of the Ohio State sticker, which is given as a reward to OSU players. To help the puzzled officers connect the dots, Boggioni stepped out of the car to show his 2002 national-championship sweatshirt, one "complete with a Buckeye leaf," Blundo wrote.

Chagrined, the officers excused the unwarranted stop by explaining that an officer in another jurisdiction had called in a report of the Boggionis' sticker - believing the older couple to be at the forefront of some sort of massive marijuana ring, it seems.

(Because "massive marijuana rings" usually like to advertise their activity. :rolleyes: p4p)

"Police hunting drugs should know that a Buckeye leaf - which has five leaflets - doesn't look much like a marijuana leaf, which typically has seven leaflets and a narrower shape," Jones-Boggioni told Blundo. Well, duh.

Before letting the pair off, officers told the couple that they should remove the Ohio State sticker from their car. "I said, 'You mean in Tennessee?" Jones-Boggioni said. "No, permanently," the officers replied.

No chance. Have you ever met an Ohio State fan? "I didn't take it off," Jones-Boggioni told Blundo. "This little old lady is no drug dealer."

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/usatoday/article/1923475&usatref=sportsmod

http://trademarklicensing.osu.edu/images/trdt_leaf.jpg

[kathy88]

Where's the outrage? Yeah the woman thought it was dumb but no clue her rights were violated.

[coastie]

1st Amendment. Am I free to leave? What crime are you investigating?

[Chester Copperpot]

Almost makes me want to put a marijuana sticker on my car.. almost...

[helmuth_hubener]

Where's the outrage? Yeah the woman thought it was dumb but no clue her rights were violated.


Outrage is a lost art. And I think most people are in particular not capable of outrage against cops as a class. Lucky them. Those people who are capable of outrage against cops are in for frustration during their lives, as it is not possible to express such outrage without very bad consequences, because cops are petty and childish and vindictive, and they will not tolerate any outrage directed towards themselves.

[coastie]

Almost makes me want to put a marijuana sticker on my car.. almost...


Had one for years, a smokey the bear character with a shovel in his hand next to a potted pot plant. Didnt get pulled as much as one would think.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Ohio State Buckeyes? Personally, I don't blame the cop, because I probably would've done the same.

[torchbearer]

gives me an idea-
a simple way to drain police resources in narcotics enforcement is to ride around with marijuana stickers on your car and make sure every stop takes as long as possible.
setup fake drugs drops. make a it party game where the objective is to get your statist neighbors to believe you are having a marijuana party and get the pigs to come over and join in the fun.

make fools out of them daily.

[paulbot24]

Before letting the pair off, officers told the couple that they should remove the Ohio State sticker from their car. "I said, 'You mean in Tennessee?" Jones-Boggioni said. "No, permanently," the officers replied.

"Thanks officers. I'll file that one away with all the stuff I learned in grade school about Officer Friendly."

[phill4paul]

gives me an idea-
a simple way to drain police resources in narcotics enforcement is to ride around with marijuana stickers on your car and make sure every stop takes as long as possible.
setup fake drugs drops. make a it party game where the objective is to get your statist neighbors to believe you are having a marijuana party and get the pigs to come over and join in the fun.

make fools out of them daily.

Ummm...I'm gonna have to pass on that one. I know how these types of things can turn out.

[torchbearer]

Ummm...I'm gonna have to pass on that one. I know how these types of things can turn out.


don't try if you have small children or dogs.

[erowe1]

I don't really see the problem.

While drugs shouldn't be outlawed, Ohio State fans should be.

[Origanalist]

"It's just amazing they would be that dumb,"

Not really.

[Antischism]

Reminds me of this (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/07/sticker_promoting_punk_band_th.html).
"Sticker of punk band 'This Bike Is a Pipe Bomb' lands Occupy Kalamazoo protestor in court"

[jkr]

the dumbest of the STUPID

I GOT A GREAT IDEA...LETS GIVE THESE GUYS OVERWHELMING FIRE POWER, ARREST POWERS, AND A LICENSE TO KILL INDISCRIMINATELY!

a lot of buckeye h8 in here
i did notice
fuck u 2

[Son of Detroit]

I approve. Good job Mr. Policeman.

[libertyjam]

This must have been on that "revenue highway" even featured on 60 min.s, the one where they only stop cars mainly on the southbound side because that way they can confiscate any cash their victims have even if you have no drugs because by their own admission "all the drugs are going north and all the cash is traveling on the return route."
Showing they don't really give sht about drugs, but just want the revenue to pay for their OT and shiny new toys.

[acptulsa]

Before letting the pair off, officers told the couple that they should remove the Ohio State sticker from their car. "I said, 'You mean in Tennessee?" Jones-Boggioni said. "No, permanently," the officers replied.

"Thanks officers. I'll file that one away with all the stuff I learned in grade school about Officer Friendly."

I must be older than you. I learned--in school--about a thing called the First Amendment and free speech...


I don't really see the problem.

While drugs shouldn't be outlawed, Ohio State fans should be.

No. However...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoIjMr1BZs

[libertariantexas]

Since when is it illegal to have a picture of a plant on a bumper sticker?

[paulbot24]

They might have vanished without a trace if they had this on the back of their car:
http://www.stickershoppe.com/mm5/graphics/SSBS/SSBS176.jpg

[AGRP]

Shes a victim of a shakedown! Its not because of the sticker. Its impossible to see something like that at that speed. They really pulled her over because of her out of state plates!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJd4Q4u5cqU

[Henry Rogue]

Since when is it illegal to have a picture of a plant on a bumper sticker? It shouldn't even be probable cause to pull over. I wonder if the Buckeye fans let the cops search the car.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

the dumbest of the STUPID

I GOT A GREAT IDEA...LETS GIVE THESE GUYS OVERWHELMING FIRE POWER, ARREST POWERS, AND A LICENSE TO KILL INDISCRIMINATELY!

a lot of buckeye h8 in here
i did notice
fuck u 2


Man up and use a real pot leaf.


j/k lol

[acptulsa]

It shouldn't even be probable cause to pull over. I wonder if the Buckeye fans let the cops search the car.

Even if they didn't misidentify it, and it really was what they thought it was, it isn't probable cause to even pull someone over.

[Tod]

gives me an idea-
a simple way to drain police resources in narcotics enforcement is to ride around with marijuana stickers on your car and make sure every stop takes as long as possible.
setup fake drugs drops. make a it party game where the objective is to get your statist neighbors to believe you are having a marijuana party and get the pigs to come over and join in the fun.

make fools out of them daily.

I've often thought about that tactic with regards to sobriety checkpoints. Get a whole bunch of friends to drive around the "block" and clog up the checkpoint.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

I know people who have been pulled because of their Grateful Dead dancing teddy bears sticker.

[Henry Rogue]

Shes a victim of a shakedown! Its not because of the sticker. Its impossible to see something like that at that speed. They really pulled her over because of her out of state plates!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJd4Q4u5cqU This video is an example of why I am not a fan of a private police force. I prefer no police force. Instead the community police itself.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Even if they didn't misidentify it, and it really was what they thought it was, it isn't probable cause to even pull someone over.


They've been moving those goalposts for years and will continue to do so.

[AGRP]

This video is an example of why I am not a fan of a private police force. I prefer no police force. Instead the community police itself.

A private police force would be much better as long as they are not a corporation.

[pcosmar]

A private police force would be much better as long as they are not a corporation.

On what authority would a "private Police Force" operate?
What authority does a private person have?
Why should a private person be subject to another persons private "Police".

[ronpaulfollower999]

This video is an example of why I am not a fan of a private police force. I prefer no police force. Instead the community police itself.

The "crimes" that the police pulled these people over for were victimless. If a private security company attempted to pull over people to steal their money, their reputation would decrease and people would abandon the company for someone else.

[KCIndy]

1st Amendment. Am I free to leave? What crime are you investigating?

Thought crime. It's the newly discovered replacement for probable cause. :(

[KCIndy]

gives me an idea-
a simple way to drain police resources in narcotics enforcement is to ride around with marijuana stickers on your car and make sure every stop takes as long as possible.



Until some asshole cop plants a bag of weed under your seat because he just KNOWS you're guilty anyway...

[ZENemy]

it really is time to get people to stop talking to police, if we stop talking to them (our natural born right) when they pull this nonsense, they will stop pulling us over out of frustration.

Cops are VERY quick to let me go because I wont speak to them and film them.

[oyarde]

I would like this story better if she tazed them in the neck , they pissed themselves and she drove back to Ohio....

[angelatc]

gives me an idea-
a simple way to drain police resources in narcotics enforcement is to ride around with marijuana stickers on your car and make sure every stop takes as long as possible.
setup fake drugs drops. make a it party game where the objective is to get your statist neighbors to believe you are having a marijuana party and get the pigs to come over and join in the fun.

make fools out of them daily.


That might work if they didn't have a nasty habit of planting evidence when they think they're on the verge of being proved wrong.

[torchbearer]

Until some asshole cop plants a bag of weed under your seat because he just KNOWS you're guilty anyway...

i had been thinking about the proposal i made earlier and thinking of ways to enhance it.
think about putting video/web cams all over.
the house would be very easy to do so you could have every one of the pigs under survellience while they are abusing your shit.
Cameras are the only reason my brother-in-law got a big lawsuit against the local sheriff's department because of their bungled raid of his drugless club.
which they did three weekends in a row that ended up driving away his customers and closing his business.
we even caught an image of a sitting judge joining the raid. how embarassing for him. imagine him having the answer to why he joined a swat raid that ended up in no bust and a lawsuit againt the pigs.
think about having the cops called on your place multiple times. you would have so much evidence against them for suit.
If people were determined, they could use the pig's zeal against them and cash in during the process.

[angelatc]

I don't really see the problem.

While drugs shouldn't be outlawed, Ohio State fans should be.


I changed my avatar just for you !!!!

[torchbearer]

That might work if they didn't have a nasty habit of planting evidence when they think they're on the verge of being proved wrong.

see previous post.
these are some screenshots we captured from the video feeds at my brother-in-law's club.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2619/3783294966_0943e279a0.jpg


and look, here is Judge Davidson- on a swat raid-
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3658/3783294866_6c8cd47b5c_z.jpg

Didn't know the eye in the sky was turned on them.

[coastie]

i had been thinking about the proposal i made earlier and thinking of ways to enhance it.
think about putting video/web cams all over.
the house would be very easy to do so you could have every one of the pigs under survellience while they are abusing your shit.
Cameras are the only reason my brother-in-law got a big lawsuit against the local sheriff's department because of their bungled raid of his drugless club.
which they did three weekends in a row that ended up driving away his customers and closing his business.
we even caught an image of a sitting judge joining the raid. how embarassing for him. imagine him having the answer to why he joined a swat raid that ended up in no bust and a lawsuit againt the pigs.
think about having the cops called on your place multiple times. you would have so much evidence against them for suit.
If people were determined, they could use the pig's zeal against them and cash in during the process.

Im seriously considering putting a warning stcker on my rear windshield and side windows..."Warning.. This driver is being monitored real time by video and audio capture devices, streamed to an offsite, secure server. This recording is also being live streamed in real time."

[angelatc]

i had been thinking about the proposal i made earlier and thinking of ways to enhance it.
think about putting video/web cams all over.
the house would be very easy to do so you could have every one of the pigs under survellience while they are abusing your shit.
Cameras are the only reason my brother-in-law got a big lawsuit against the local sheriff's department because of their bungled raid of his drugless club.
which they did three weekends in a row that ended up driving away his customers and closing his business.
we even caught an image of a sitting judge joining the raid. how embarassing for him. imagine him having the answer to why he joined a swat raid that ended up in no bust and a lawsuit againt the pigs.
think about having the cops called on your place multiple times. you would have so much evidence against them for suit.
If people were determined, they could use the pig's zeal against them and cash in during the process.


Why would they do that to him? Was he refusing to pay protection money or something?

[AGRP]

The "crimes" that the police pulled these people over for were victimless. If a private security company attempted to pull over people to steal their money, their reputation would decrease and people would abandon the company for someone else.

Both the individual and the company would be sued for all they were worth and it would set a president for other private companies to not do the same thing. Of course, there would also need to be competition for all forms of transportation. For example, if there was a private rail road service then that could be an option. This is all fairy tale talk considering unions and corporations own us.

[kcchiefs6465]

i had been thinking about the proposal i made earlier and thinking of ways to enhance it.
think about putting video/web cams all over.
the house would be very easy to do so you could have every one of the pigs under survellience while they are abusing your shit.
Cameras are the only reason my brother-in-law got a big lawsuit against the local sheriff's department because of their bungled raid of his drugless club.
which they did three weekends in a row that ended up driving away his customers and closing his business.
we even caught an image of a sitting judge joining the raid. how embarassing for him. imagine him having the answer to why he joined a swat raid that ended up in no bust and a lawsuit againt the pigs.
think about having the cops called on your place multiple times. you would have so much evidence against them for suit.
If people were determined, they could use the pig's zeal against them and cash in during the process.


Im seriously considering putting a warning stcker on my rear windshield and side windows..."Warning.. This driver is being monitored real time by video and audio capture devices, streamed to an offsite, secure server. This recording is also being live streamed in real time."
On my wishlist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWTd8TlaeU

ETA: Lmao. I forgot about his tranny fluid smoke screen.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Im seriously considering putting a warning stcker on my rear windshield and side windows..."Warning.. This driver is being monitored real time by video and audio capture devices, streamed to an offsite, secure server. This recording is also being live streamed in real time."


No doubt that would be more discreet and effective than a pot leaf. Might even be a good idea.

[idiom]

Im seriously considering putting a warning stcker on my rear windshield and side windows..."Warning.. This driver is being monitored real time by video and audio capture devices, streamed to an offsite, secure server. This recording is also being live streamed in real time."

Its not prostitution, its a live porn feed.

[erowe1]

Why would they do that to him? Was he refusing to pay protection money or something?

Oh for crying out loud! Now you have a Buckeye avatar? Your Michigan citizenship is hereby revoked.

[Expatriate]

gives me an idea-
a simple way to drain police resources in narcotics enforcement is to ride around with marijuana stickers on your car and make sure every stop takes as long as possible.
setup fake drugs drops. make a it party game where the objective is to get your statist neighbors to believe you are having a marijuana party and get the pigs to come over and join in the fun.

make fools out of them daily.

What if a lot of people sprayed marijuana scented perfume in their cars? Cops can search your car if they think they smell something, or if they get a dog to alert. If enough people did that but did not actually have drugs in the car it might eventually overturn the policy of letting a smell be probable cause for a search without consent.

Of course, the cops could always plant some drugs to avoid looking bad. I don't think I'd take the risk myself now that I think about it, unless I had one of those spy cars that records everything.

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[kcchiefs6465]

Oh for crying out loud! Now you have a Buckeye avatar? Your Michigan citizenship is hereby revoked.
That's a weed leaf. She's actually a drug mule 'incognito.'

[PaulConventionWV]

Even if they didn't misidentify it, and it really was what they thought it was, it isn't probable cause to even pull someone over.

Look, officer, sir! I also have these un-registered guns, prescription pills, and $100,000 cash! Am I allowed to have those things?

Officer: Uh.... no.

[The Gold Standard]

She should be grateful they didn't barricade her in the vehicle and set it on fire.

[PaulConventionWV]

Shes a victim of a shakedown! Its not because of the sticker. Its impossible to see something like that at that speed. They really pulled her over because of her out of state plates!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJd4Q4u5cqU

Maybe the officers were driving behind them?

[PaulConventionWV]

A private police force would be much better as long as they are not a corporation.

That is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Imagine citizens going around pulling people over and claiming the authority to do so. "My company said I could stop you."

[angelatc]

Oh for crying out loud! Now you have a Buckeye avatar? Your Michigan citizenship is hereby revoked.


Hahahaha! I changed it for you !!!!

I was born and bred a Buckeye, son! It's more natural for me to say "that state up north" than to use the M word.

[AGRP]

That is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Imagine citizens going around pulling people over and claiming the authority to do so. "My company said I could stop you."

It wouldnt be so silly if you read the following posts and in the proper context.


Maybe the officers were driving behind them?

Of course they would readily admit they pulled her over for out of state license plates so they could shake her down.

[PaulConventionWV]

The "crimes" that the police pulled these people over for were victimless. If a private security company attempted to pull over people to steal their money, their reputation would decrease and people would abandon the company for someone else.

I get the concept, but not everything belongs in the market. A private police force requires the authority to stop people and to do things without their consent, and they don't have that authority. Also, there's no demand for a private police force. Nobody's going to willingly pay a private police force for their "services."

The free market wouldn't even allow a police FORCE to exist in the first place. You can't just make everything operate under market principles because some things just don't operate in the market at all.

[kcchiefs6465]

Look, officer, sir! I also have these un-registered guns, prescription pills, and $100,000 cash! Am I allowed to have those things.

Officer: Uh.... no.
Are you stating that a marijuana leaf on the outside of your vehicle is alone probable cause enough to search your vehicle? (whether or not they'd do it anyways is besides the point) I don't understand your analogy either. Completely exaggerated.

[AGRP]

The free market wouldn't even allow a police FORCE to exist in the first place. You can't just make everything operate under market principles because some things just don't operate in the market at all.

That must be why private stores dont provide private security and mall cops dont exist.

[angelatc]

That must be why private stores dont provide private security and mall cops dont exist.


I've never in a gated community that had private patrols, therefore they don't exist and it's stupid to assert that such a plan could ever work.

[PaulConventionWV]

It wouldnt be so silly if you read the following posts and in the proper context.



Of course they would readily admit they pulled her over for out of state license plates so they could shake her down.

I did read them. It's still completely absurd. Where do they get the authority?

[PaulConventionWV]

Are you stating that a marijuana leaf on the outside of your vehicle is alone probable cause enough to search your vehicle? (whether or not they'd do it anyways is besides the point) I don't understand your analogy either. Completely exaggerated.

It was a joke. I'm not sure where you're getting these statements from. What I said is nothing like that.

[PaulConventionWV]

That must be why private stores dont provide private security and mall cops dont exist.

They're on private property. The property owner gave them the authority. Try putting private security on the roadways and see how much authority they have there.

As angelatc pointed out, you don't see private police in gated communities. There's no demand for them. The fact that you don't know the difference between public and private property is really quite stunning.

[kcchiefs6465]

That must be why private stores dont provide private security and mall cops dont exist.
The only difference in a private police force and what we have now is that they [may be] held accountable for what they do. Look at some of the private groups that already go around. I've seen some of the 'Guardian Angels' nonsense and they were more abusive and physical than most cops would have been. People need to get in the habit of not relying on other people for their safety. The reporting of crimes etc. is one thing, but I would like to see a system where you could properly defend yourself, your family, and your property. Now it seems for the littlest things people are calling the police for. And sometimes tragedy occurs because of it.

[pcosmar]

That must be why private stores dont provide private security and mall cops dont exist.

There is a VAST difference between private security and private Police.

[AGRP]

I did read them. It's still completely absurd. Where do they get the authority?

Where do you get the authority to kill someone if they break into your home? May I suggest studying contracts and private property rights?

[PaulConventionWV]

The only difference in a private police force and what we have now is that they [may be] held accountable for what they do. Look at some of the private groups that already go around. I've seen some of the 'Guardian Angels' nonsense and they were more abusive and physical than most cops would have been. People need to get in the habit of not relying on other people for their safety. The reporting of crimes etc. is one thing, but I would like to see a system where you could properly defend yourself, you family, and your property. Now it seems for the littlest things people are calling the police for. And sometimes tragedy occurs because of it.

Are you kidding me right now? That's not the only difference between a private police force and what we have now. The difference is that a private police force would have absolutely no authority to do anything.

[PaulConventionWV]

Where do you get the authority to kill someone if they break into your home? May I suggest studying contracts and private property rights?

The roads are public property. I have the authority to do that because it's MY property.

[AGRP]

I've never in a gated community that had private patrols, therefore they don't exist and it's stupid to assert that such a plan could ever work.

Thats the silliest thing Ive read. Citizens couldnt possibly function without a police force that is funded by theft and protected like a corporation which negates all personal accountability.

[PaulConventionWV]

Thats the silliest thing Ive read. Citizens couldnt possibly function without a police force that is funded by theft and protected like a corporation which negates all personal accountability.

That's a straw man argument. Why do we need a police force at all? I think we could survive fine without one.

[kcchiefs6465]

acptulsa- Even if they didn't misidentify it, and it really was what they thought it was, it isn't probable cause to even pull someone over.


Look, officer, sir! I also have these un-registered guns, prescription pills, and $100,000 cash! Am I allowed to have those things?

Officer: Uh.... no.


It was a joke. I'm not sure where you're getting these statements from. What I said is nothing like that.
The way I read it was that you were stating a marijuana leaf on a bumper sticker could be equated to admitting you had a gun, or prescription pills, or a large sum of 'undeclared' money. A bumper sticker on the outside of your car should in no way be considered probable cause to search the inside of a vehicle. (whether or not it works out that way I have no idea- but I'd imagine not) I apologize if I missed the sarcasm.

[AGRP]

The roads are public property. I have the authority to do that because it's MY property.

Public roads are your property?

http://static.tumblr.com/0rdwssq/xhMlnku05/lea_laughing_gif.gif

[PaulConventionWV]

Public roads are your property?

http://static.tumblr.com/0rdwssq/xhMlnku05/lea_laughing_gif.gif

Don't be obtuse. I didn't say anything like that. I was referring to your analogy where a thief breaks into my house.

[kcchiefs6465]

Are you kidding me right now? That's not the only difference between a private police force and what we have now. The difference is that a private police force would have absolutely no authority to do anything.
Citizens arrest. (I am not a lawyer)

Hell, I've seen videos of the 'Guardian Angels' mace and handcuff people a bunch a times. A guy was even tasered. The cops came, thanked them for their service and took the 'accused' (by them only) away. (The case I remember specifically was that one man who was maced was charged with assault for trying to flee the people who were accosting him. They have these groups in most large cities that just walk around and generally harrass the 'shadiest' person they find, asking for identification, getting confrontational etc.)

[PaulConventionWV]

Citizens arrest. (I am not a lawyer)

Hell, I've seen videos of the 'Guardian Angels' mace and handcuff people a bunch a times. A guy was even tasered. The cops came, thanked them for their service and took the 'accused' (by them only) away. (The case I remember specifically was that one man who was maced was charged with assault for trying to flee the people who were accosting him. They have these groups in most large cities that just walk around and generally harrass the shadiest person they find, asking for identification, getting confrontational etc.)

The fact that you are not a lawyer is obvious enough. What you are referring to are called bounty hunters. They only arrest people who have warrants out for their arrest, and usually only the ones that are offering prize money. Guess where the warrants and the prize money come from... that's right, the government (not private).

If people walk around and harrass the shadiest person they find, then they don't have the authority to do that and are breaking the law. But even that is much different than private cops patrolling the highways. Private cops have no authority to pull someone over or chase them if they refuse to pull over. The traffic laws that exist now are completely bogus anyway because most of them are victimless crimes.

[The Gold Standard]

They're on private property. The property owner gave them the authority. Try putting private security on the roadways and see how much authority they have there.

As angelatc pointed out, you don't see private police in gated communities. There's no demand for them. The fact that you don't know the difference between public and private property is really quite stunning.

In a free market there wouldn't be any public property, so private security forces would work just fine.

[kcchiefs6465]

The fact that you are not a lawyer is obvious enough. What you are referring to are called bounty hunters. They only arrest people who have warrants out for their arrest, and usually only the ones that are offering prize money. Guess where the warrants and the prize money come from... that's right, the government (not private).
No, what I am referring to is a group of private punks, who think they are big and bad because they've watched COPS and have a real pair of handcuffs. (they have their own little uniforms lmao) Look them up. They are not looking for people who jumped bond. They are not bounty hunters. They are people that come up to you if you are in certain neighborhoods and ask for identification. (though sometimes they aren't from that neighborhood themselves) They ask what your business is in being there. When you tell them, rightly so I must add, to fuck off, they physically accost you. There is no need to attempt a sly insult as, 'it's obvious you are not a lawyer.' I never claimed to be one, though my knowledge of the law, particularly my state's laws is well above average.



If people walk around and harrass the shadiest person they find, then they don't have the authority to do that and are breaking the law. But even that is much different than private cops patrolling the highways. Private cops have no authority to pull someone over or chase them if they refuse to pull over.
They do, and I agree that they have no authority to. That does not stop them from violating individual's rights and the cops coming to thank them. (even to charge victims with assault etc. for resisting those clowns)



The traffic laws that exist now are completely bogus because most of them are victimless crimes.
You are preaching to the choir.

ETA: What I'm talking about:

You have got to love the single glove on his apparent strong hand. Wouldn't want to break your hand when accosting a single youth in their own neighborhood. He's even got the 'stare' down. Makes me wonder what prevented these guys from being actual cops?

http://i.imgur.com/kdkUhLn.jpg?1

Interacting with the 'community.'

http://i.imgur.com/IUfZKki.jpg?1

[PaulConventionWV]

In a free market there wouldn't be any public property, so private security forces would work just fine.

I don't believe in private roads. A free market economy isn't the same thing as anarcho-capitalism. Even if they were priavte, however, private security forces would only exist in specific business establishments. We would not have private security prowling the streets and harrassing people because it's not a feasible business model. The only thing they could do was look for people who are in the process of committing a crime, but any citizen could do that. It might be feasible to have night watchmen, but we certainly wouldn't have security walking up and down the streets and patrolling the highways because 1) there's no need for it and 2) it would be a massive affront to liberty, so I don't think road owners would even employ such a security force.

[erowe1]

I don't believe in private roads. A free market economy isn't the same thing as anarcho-capitalism. Even if they were priavte, however, private security forces would only exist in specific business establishments. We would not have private security prowling the streets and harrassing people because it's not a feasible business model. The only thing they could do was look for people who are in the process of committing a crime, but any citizen could do that. It might be feasible to have night watchmen, but we certainly wouldn't have security walking up and down the streets and patrolling the highways because 1) there's no need for it and 2) it would be a massive affront to liberty, so I don't think road owners would even employ such a security force.

I'm not sure what would happen with private roads. Their owners would inevitably have some rules drivers have to agree to to use their roads, and some means of policing them, though not necessarily in ways anything like what we're used to.

[angelatc]

They're on private property. The property owner gave them the authority. Try putting private security on the roadways and see how much authority they have there.

As angelatc pointed out, you don't see private police in gated communities. There's no demand for them. The fact that you don't know the difference between public and private property is really quite stunning.


I know! Trayvon is an urban myth.

[angelatc]

Public roads are your property?

http://static.tumblr.com/0rdwssq/xhMlnku05/lea_laughing_gif.gif


That's gotta be the most seamless gif I've ever seen

[The Gold Standard]

I don't believe in private roads. A free market economy isn't the same thing as anarcho-capitalism. Even if they were priavte, however, private security forces would only exist in specific business establishments. We would not have private security prowling the streets and harrassing people because it's not a feasible business model. The only thing they could do was look for people who are in the process of committing a crime, but any citizen could do that. It might be feasible to have night watchmen, but we certainly wouldn't have security walking up and down the streets and patrolling the highways because 1) there's no need for it and 2) it would be a massive affront to liberty, so I don't think road owners would even employ such a security force.

I never said they would employ anything like today's police. Police exist to enforce the rule of our masters. Security forces would exist to keep people and property secure. I don't know what that world would look like, but you can't equate the two because they serve two different purposes.

[AGRP]

But, who will pick the cotton?

[kcchiefs6465]

But, who will pick the cotton?
That's a good question. License plates don't stamp themselves. Patriot missiles can't solder. This damn cycle we are trapped in. /s

[AGRP]

That's a good question. License plates don't stamp themselves. Patriot missiles can't solder. This damn cycle we are trapped in. /s

I get the concept, but not everything belongs in the market. You can't just make everything operate under market principles because some things just don't operate in the market at all. No one will pick the cotton.

[kcchiefs6465]

I get the concept, but not everything belongs in the market. You can't just make everything operate under market principles because some things just don't operate in the market at all. No one will pick the cotton.
I am not sure a private police force would be any better. It's hard to try and think of a system that would work when other systems are in place that aid said system. [system we have in place already] We need a revamp of peoples' thoughts to self defense and self perserverance. I think there are some roles for peace officers- whether public or private is an issue in itself. But there are already abuses being perpetrated by those who feel it is their right to know what everyone's motives or plans are for the night. Refuse or simply ignore and privately you are accosted. (and the government section does not care besides to arrest you on the word of people who had no right to stop you in the first place) My main point is that 'private' does not necessarily mean the abuses won't happen. I think some people forget that a private entity can be just as bad when the government is in collusion. (and the government has been and would be in collusion with this)

[Carson]

On what authority would a "private Police Force" operate?
What authority does a private person have?
Why should a private person be subject to another persons private "Police".

No kidding! What authority?

The National Forest here has unleashed a private corporation to help manage the campsites.

In the olden days the National Forest Service managed some of the improved camp grounds. They had some authority to set some rules.

If you stayed in a improved campsite they had a box you could leave your fee. You could also camp anywhere in your National Forest pretty much. It was nice. In the off season you would often have the whole campground to yourself.

Then camp host started being installed. It often made the campground useless to deer hunting. A deer camp before the camp host was generally a quiet place early in the evening because most everyone was planning on getting an early start. Then came the camp host. More and more campgrounds were no longer habitable to hunters. The camp host would fire up loud generators at bed time. It would mean finding a place along the road and resetting up camp in the dark.

One of the last times I went camping I found my campsite. I paid my fee and dropped it in the cash pole that we always used. Later I found some guy going through my camp! He was some camp host that was looking for the fee. He thought it now should be left with him at his camp host campsite. (These camp host campsites are places that no Boy Scout would ever allow. They are dug in for long over the daily limit for campsites for the real people. They are dug in hard and deep. The forest will never recover in my estimation.)

Anyway just what authority do they have in your campsite?!?!?!?

More and more rules seem to be forcing us out of the places we camped for decades. It seems we are being pushed into a smaller and smaller area by the National Forest Service and their camp host program. The camp host program wants the fees and their forest altering businesses to loot us.

A Ranger said there are more and more people coming now. I'm not sure if that is the case. It is hard to say when they are messing with people that were once left alone and left little mark because they were spread out over about 190 million acres.
Then you also have your Bureau of Land Management land that is pretty cool.

I don't understand the authority of the camp host people. I'm also starting to reconsider the necessity of the National Forest Service. Very troubling.

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/morestuff/RangerNeslonTearDownThat-Wall.jpg

I mean just where does it stop. The whole rest of the National Forest and world for that matter are on the other side!

[osan]

Their mistake was in saying anything to those imbeciles. I would have refused to cooperate with them, let them arrest me, and then hire Satan as my lawyer.

DO NOT SPEAK TO POLICE. Jesus tap dancing across the seven seas.

[torchbearer]

Why would they do that to him? Was he refusing to pay protection money or something?

Could be, they refuse to hire the cops.
Their security team was made up of Iraq war vets(my brother-in-law is also a iraq vet)
They had a very professional security team. Throat mics, camera's everywhere.
Everyone got patted down going in- even me.
They ran a clean operation.

[osan]

Where's the outrage? Yeah the woman thought it was dumb but no clue her rights were violated.

Agreed she is probably a bit of a dumbass in the regard you mention, but it should be borne in mind always that today outrage expressed in almost any form can get you shot deader 'n dirt. Leave the outrage for after you are out of police proximity. Get lawyer, sue the crap out of them. In situo, be polite and ask questions while refusing to answer. "Am I under arrest?", "Am I being detained?", "What are the charges?", "Am I free to go or will you shoot me in the back if I attempt to leave?", and so on.

[osan]

gives me an idea-
a simple way to drain police resources in narcotics enforcement is to ride around with marijuana stickers on your car and make sure every stop takes as long as possible.
setup fake drugs drops. make a it party game where the objective is to get your statist neighbors to believe you are having a marijuana party and get the pigs to come over and join in the fun.

make fools out of them daily.

I applaud the spirit of your post, but it would be a VERY dangerous game, likely to get you shot or to have evidence planted just because the manky little pricks are so intellectually and emotionally retarded.

If, however, you want to push the envelope you can give them fits by rolling joints with tea. Use cheap-0 tea like Lipton and do not you DARE use good tea for this, for if I find out I will beat yo' ass... perhaps with a light-gage iron bar no less because good tea must never be wasted. Burning tea smells a lot like marijuana and a cop looking for some drug interdiction action is likely not to waste time with inconveniences such as facts and proper investigative procedures. This particular little game could use up a goodly number of police resources, but I must reiterate that it could be a potentially fatal game. Of course, saying "good morning" to a cop could get you killed these days as well... at least in some places.

[osan]

don't try if you have small children or dogs.

A greed, but if perchance you have a well laid out array of claymores... :)

[osan]

A private police force would be much better as long as they are not a corporation.

BIG ass assertion with no backing. What is your basis? What are the operational differences? People are people and rotten people are rotten regardless of who pays their bills.

Henry had it right. No formal police force. Every citizen is a cop, accountable for his policing actions to every other citizen. I would, however, not be averse to dedicated professional investigators, private or otherwise. NO power to arrest, only to examine evidence, which they would then present to... well, perhaps a grand jury of peers, who would make the arrest decision and either sheriffs or other citizens could then affect the apprehension of persons of interest. All parties would be subject to stern accountability for every action taken and the various records of the proceedings would be available for review in the case of affected arrests.

Unless some people have their balls in vises they will run completely amok. Police and congress varmints are the prime examples of this. So are lying, cheating, secretive, illegal alien presidents.

Speaking of which, anyone else aware that the SCOTUS is supposed to review articles of impeachment (??) regarding Obama's use of falsified documents such as his CT-based social security number? I doubt anything will come of this, but I hope they pin his manky hide to the barn door.

[PaulConventionWV]

No, what I am referring to is a group of private punks, who think they are big and bad because they've watched COPS and have a real pair of handcuffs. (they have their own little uniforms lmao) Look them up. They are not looking for people who jumped bond. They are not bounty hunters. They are people that come up to you if you are in certain neighborhoods and ask for identification. (though sometimes they aren't from that neighborhood themselves) They ask what your business is in being there. When you tell them, rightly so I must add, to fuck off, they physically accost you. There is no need to attempt a sly insult as, 'it's obvious you are not a lawyer.' I never claimed to be one, though my knowledge of the law, particularly my state's laws is well above average.


They do, and I agree that they have no authority to. That does not stop them from violating individual's rights and the cops coming to thank them. (even to charge victims with assault etc. for resisting those clowns)


You are preaching to the choir.

ETA: What I'm talking about:

You have got to love the single glove on his apparent strong hand. Wouldn't want to break your hand when accosting a single youth in their own neighborhood. He's even got the 'stare' down. Makes me wonder what prevented these guys from being actual cops?

http://i.imgur.com/kdkUhLn.jpg?1

Interacting with the 'community.'

http://i.imgur.com/IUfZKki.jpg?1

That is very strange, but very interesting. It doesn't really apply to the point I was making, but it's interesting. I've never heard of those guys.

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm not sure what would happen with private roads. Their owners would inevitably have some rules drivers have to agree to to use their roads, and some means of policing them, though not necessarily in ways anything like what we're used to.

Would they? I'm not so sure. Tentative rules, maybe, but I don't see a road owner going to any great lengths to enforce rules. Traffic accidents happen all the time, and that can't necessarily be attributed to the person who owns the property unless there's an obvious flaw in the road. I don't think the free market would apply to roads as much as it does to general transactions because if people just want to take the most direct way to work, I don't see them going the long way just because they don't like the road owner's policies or whatever.

[PaulConventionWV]

I know! Trayvon is an urban myth.

I'm sensing sarcasm, but I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

[PaulConventionWV]

I get the concept, but not everything belongs in the market. You can't just make everything operate under market principles because some things just don't operate in the market at all. No one will pick the cotton.

What is with all this obscure sarcasm? Again, I'm sensing it, but I seriously have no clue what your point is.

If I understand you correctly, though, you are referring to an earlier post of mine, mocking it because you compare it to the unwillingness of white men to have anyone other than slaves pick their cotton. If that is the case, then it is a false analogy because picking cotton is a legitimate market practice. A formal police force is not. Hence, not everything belongs in the market. Get it now?

[kcchiefs6465]

That is very strange, but very interesting. It doesn't really apply to the point I was making, but it's interesting. I've never heard of those guys.
I see them as a private police force. As in, they are private citizens exacting the law as they see fit and as they are 'permitted to do.' (Simply, by the government- though in actuality by way of the modern police force, ignorance of modern citizens (poor folk) as to what the law really is, as well as people's subservience to what the police say as lawful and/or justified) I first saw them on 'COPS' a few years ago. (that was where I saw the video of them macing a man who tried to walk away from them, and the police charging the victim with assault as he tried to wrestle free from his attackers) My main point is that private companies or private groups can step on your rights the same as a public police force.

[seraphson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd4YgudTcnM

[VIDEODROME]

This is why I only smoke buckeyes.

[PaulConventionWV]

I see them as a private police force. As in, they are private citizens exacting the law as they see fit and as they are 'permitted to do.' (Simply, by the government- though in actuality by way of the modern police force, ignorance of modern citizens (poor folk) as to what the law really is, as well as people's subservience to what the police say as lawful and/or justified) I first saw them on 'COPS' a few years ago. (that was where I saw the video of them macing a man who tried to walk away from them, and the police charging the victim with assault as he tried to wrestle free from his attackers) My main point is that private companies or private groups can step on your rights the same as a public police force.

I agree. There's no need for them in any form.

[Intoxiklown]

Why is everyone hating on Ohio State? We in the SEC LOVE them. They make for an easy National Championship win every time.

<3!