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Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 02:25 PM
It's a game to these sociopaths, who can restrict freedom more rapidly.

Step up Kalifornia.

"Only police officers should have guns".

LOL

ETA - Oh and that "no ex-post-facto" law nonsense, forgot about it.



California Gun Laws Could Become Toughest In The Nation

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/california-gun-laws-could_n_2642204.html?ir=Los+Angeles&ref=topbar

7 Feb 2013

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Weeks after New York enacted the nation's toughest gun laws, California lawmakers said Thursday they want their state to do even more in response to recent mass shootings, particularly the Connecticut school massacre.

Democrats who control the state Legislature revealed 10 proposals that they said would make California the most restrictive state for possessing firearms.

They were joined at a Capitol news conference by San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, along with several police chiefs.

"California has always been a leader on the issue of gun safety," Villaraigosa said. "New York has stepped up and stepped forward. California needs to answer the call."

(Such is life in emasculated, Safety Uber Alles Amerika. Chaining, shackling and stripping people's freedom in the false name of safety is cheered on. - AF)

Among the measures is one that would outlaw the future sale of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines. The restriction would prevent quick reloading by requiring bullets to be loaded one at a time.

Lawmakers also want to make some prohibitions apply to current gun owners, not just to people who buy weapons in the future.

Like New York, California also would require background checks for buying ammunition and would add to the list of prohibited weapons.

Those buying ammunition would have to pay a fee and undergo an initial background check by the state Department of Justice, similar to what is required now before buyers can purchase a weapon.

Subsequent background checks would be done instantly by an ammunition seller checking the Justice Department's records.

The legislation also would ban possession of magazines holding more than 10 bullets, even by those who now own them legally. All weapons would have to be registered.

Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, promised that gun proponents will fight the measures in court if they become law.

"It strikes me as if these folks are playing some sort of game of one-upsmanship with New York at the expense of law-abiding citizens, and that's just unconscionable," he said about lawmakers.

Three bills have been introduced, with others to come before this month's deadline for submitting legislation.

The measures are the most stringent to date among numerous proposals introduced this year to strengthen California's firearm regulations.

Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg said he is confident Democrats can use their majorities in the Assembly and Senate to send the measures to Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown this year.

Brown has declined to comment on weapons legislation before it reaches him.

Steinberg said the measures are designed to close numerous loopholes that gun manufacturers have exploited to get around California's existing restrictions.

Those measures had been the strongest in the nation until Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed New York's new law last month.

Other proposed measures in California would ban so-called "bullet buttons" that can be used to quickly detach and reload magazines in semi-automatic rifles, and update the legal definition of shotguns to prohibit a new version that can rapidly fire shotgun shells and .45-caliber ammunition.

The state also would restrict the lending of guns to keep weapons from felons, mentally ill people and others who are prohibited from ownership.

coastie
02-08-2013, 02:38 PM
I don't recall any kind of warnings of all of these recent shootings-not a fucking one-to where registration would have done a damn thing to stop it from occurring...

But this is where they show their true colors. "Of course it will prevent future shootings...because now we know where to come get ALL of your guns."

coastie
02-08-2013, 02:39 PM
Other proposed measures in California would ban so-called "bullet buttons" that can be used to quickly detach and reload magazines in semi-automatic rifles, and update the legal definition of shotguns to prohibit a new version that can rapidly fire shotgun shells and .45-caliber ammunition.

I.Want.One.

Smart3
02-08-2013, 02:52 PM
One step closer to actually being North Korea.

Confederate
02-08-2013, 02:52 PM
I can't understand why anyone would want to live in that shithole of a state.

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 03:15 PM
I don't recall any kind of warnings of all of these recent shootings-not a fucking one-to where registration would have done a damn thing to stop it from occurring...

But this is where they show their true colors. "Of course it will prevent future shootings...because now we know where to come get ALL of your guns."

They said as much in NY state.

That "confiscation of weapons was 'on the table'", but could not be accomplished effciently because there was no central database of registrations.

Now, there is.

sailingaway
02-08-2013, 04:27 PM
Jerry Brown had better veto.

He was a Jesuit, he can read the Constitution.

Confederate
02-08-2013, 04:29 PM
Jerry Brown had better veto.

HAHAHAHAHA.

sailingaway
02-08-2013, 04:29 PM
I need to find out the date for filing petitions to get referendums on the ballot. Something like 'gun control is unconstitutional and legislators submitting bills for the same will immediately forfeit their seat.' Something nice and simple.

Confederate
02-08-2013, 04:34 PM
I need to find out the date for filing petitions to get referendums on the ballot. Something like 'gun control is unconstitutional and legislators submitting bills for the same will immediately forfeit their seat.' Something nice and simple.

In California, the number of signatures needed to qualify a measure for the ballot is based on the total number of votes cast for the office of Governor. For initiated constitutional amendments, petitioners must collect signatures equal to 8% of the most recent gubernatorial vote.

2011-2014
Amendment: 807,615
Statute: 504,760

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_signature_requirements#Ballot_measures

sailingaway
02-08-2013, 04:36 PM
HAHAHAHAHA.


He might. I voted for Whitman but thought about it. I know he's socialist, but in a weird way I trust him to do what he thinks is right. It is just that on so many points our views on what is right differ.

sailingaway
02-08-2013, 04:38 PM
In California, the number of signatures needed to qualify a measure for the ballot is based on the total number of votes cast for the office of Governor. For initiated constitutional amendments, petitioners must collect signatures equal to 8% of the most recent gubernatorial vote.

2011-2014
Amendment: 807,615
Statute: 504,760

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_signature_requirements#Ballot_measures

You can't remotely be thinking we can't get the signatures. I couldn't do it ALONE, but there are a lot of gun groups. I think they'd be interested. They already might be doing something. I have received some stuff on specific actions they were fighting through emails and twitter, but not on this.

KingRobbStark
02-08-2013, 04:42 PM
Jerry Brown had better veto.

He was a Jesuit, he can read the Constitution.

My state is a shit hole. He wont be vetoing anything.

Confederate
02-08-2013, 04:51 PM
You can't remotely be thinking we can't get the signatures. I couldn't do it ALONE, but there are a lot of gun groups. I think they'd be interested. They already might be doing something. I have received some stuff on specific actions they were fighting through emails and twitter, but not on this.

The difficult part is coordination. The signatures have to be 8% from every county for a constitutional amendment, not 8% overall. If you could get the NRA involved you'd probably be able to do it. Remember, you only get 150 days to collect them all. If it can be done electronically it would be much easier.

This might help: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/how-to-qualify-an-initiative.htm

Smart3
02-08-2013, 04:54 PM
Brown banned consenting teenagers from tanning beds, even if they have parental approval.

So you really think he's going to veto gun control? LOL!

I'm surprised he isn't going for a gun-grab too.

tangent4ronpaul
02-08-2013, 05:27 PM
update the legal definition of shotguns to prohibit a new version that can rapidly fire shotgun shells and .45-caliber ammunition.

Anybody know what this new shotgun is?


I need to find out the date for filing petitions to get referendums on the ballot. Something like 'gun control is unconstitutional and legislators submitting bills for the same will immediately forfeit their seat.' Something nice and simple.

This wouldn't work. You need something different. They would just find someone that was retiring and have them submit it near the end of their term. You need something like anyone that votes in favor of an amendment or bill promoting gun control will loose their seat.

-t

sailingaway
02-08-2013, 05:27 PM
The difficult part is coordination. The signatures have to be 8% from every county for a constitutional amendment, not 8% overall. If you could get the NRA involved you'd probably be able to do it. Remember, you only get 150 days to collect them all. If it can be done electronically it would be much easier.

This might help: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/how-to-qualify-an-initiative.htm


thanks. It would have to be in coordination with the gun groups. I'll take that to a range and see what people are doing.

libertygrl
02-08-2013, 05:28 PM
They said as much in NY state.

That "confiscation of weapons was 'on the table'", but could not be accomplished effciently because there was no central database of registrations.

Now, there is.

Let's see if Californians step up like the New Yorkers who said they would not comply.

sailingaway
02-08-2013, 05:29 PM
Brown banned consenting teenagers from tanning beds, even if they have parental approval.

So you really think he's going to veto gun control? LOL!

I'm surprised he isn't going for a gun-grab too.

A lot of people think special rules apply to minors, particularly on the left. But there is no ban on laws infringing the right to use tanning beds in the constitution. I don't have expectation he will veto, but he has here and there on principled points.

Expatriate
02-08-2013, 05:49 PM
update the legal definition of shotguns to prohibit a new version that can rapidly fire shotgun shells and .45-caliber ammunition.
What are they talking about? Any .45LC revolver such as the famous Colt Peacemaker can fire .410 shotgun shells. So they're banning all the cowboy guns?

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 06:29 PM
What are they talking about? Any .45LC revolver such as the famous Colt Peacemaker can fire .410 shotgun shells. So they're banning all the cowboy guns?

Ban.