Obama wants you to have a nice government approved house

[shane77m]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mold-leaky-roof-clutter-obama-administration-says-all-americans-must-have-healthy


Under the broad banner of "health," the federal government not only is telling Americans what to eat, it's also telling us to make our homes safer.

This week, the Obama administration released a "bold new vision for addressing the nation's health and economic burdens caused by preventable hazards associated with the home."

The project has a name: "Advancing Healthy Housing: A Strategy for Action."

"People in the United States spend about 70% of their time in a home," the announcement said.

"Currently, millions of U.S. homes have moderate to severe physical housing problems, including dilapidated structure; roofing problems; heating, plumbing, and electrical deficiencies; water leaks and intrusion; pests; damaged paint; and high radon gas levels. These conditions are associated with a wide range of health issues, including unintentional injuries, respiratory illnesses like asthma and radon-induced lung cancer, lead poisoning, result in lost school days for children, as well as lost productivity in the labor force."

According to the Obama administration, the health and economic burdens from preventable hazards associated with both subsidized and privately owned homes cost billions of dollars.

The new strategy "unifies" federal efforts to advance healthy housing -- "demonstrating the connection between housing conditions and residents’ health."

The federal partners pushing healthy housing include the White House Council on Environmental Quality, Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Surgeon General, and Energy Department.

HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan says the federal government must do "everything we can to ensure that individuals and families have a healthy place to call home." He said the strategy "will help the federal government unify action (on) controlling and preventing major housing-related exposures and hazards."
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The healthy homes strategy sets five goals for reducing the number of substandard homes:

-- Establish healthy homes recommendations (homes should be dry, clean, pest-free, safe, contaminant-free, well-ventilated, and well-maintained and thermally controlled);

-- Encourage adoption of healthy homes recommendations (federal, state and local regulations);

-- Create and support training and workforce development to address health hazards in housing (train people for new jobs in green energy and construction);

-- Educate the public about healthy homes (advertising campaigns telling Americans how their homes ought to be)

-- Support research that advances healthy housing in a cost-effective manner (taxpayer-funded grants to study the problem).



Could we be on the way to only being allowed to live in government approved housing? I guess in a way we already are with building codes being in place.

In an extreme case I could see them saying that if you live in a "dilapidated" house that it could be condemned and you would be forced into government housing.

[Lucille]

Obama wants you to have a nice government approved house to implement Agenda 21.

[Origanalist]

These people have no stopping point.

[Philhelm]

These people have no stopping point.

That's not entirely accurate...

[shane77m]

That's not entirely accurate...

I can think of one if enough people would use it but I think this article probably holds too much truth.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?403896-Approaching-the-existential-cliff-17-denial-statements-made-by-the-sleeping-masses

[sailingaway]

where will America draw the line?

[kathy88]

where will America draw the line?

When they ban reality TV.

[tod evans]

These people have no stopping point.

Oh yes they do.......................We just can't speak of it on the interwebs...

[Pericles]

I'm guessing that this form of housing will not feature a built in gun rack.

[shane77m]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?403885-Armed-citizens-force-officials-to-back-down

[Natural Citizen]

This is a really, really big deal. Green "smart homes" have been in the works for some time. It's coming from several different aspects of infrastructure too. some of which could have been stopped if enough people had actuallly paid attention to where the science of it has been accepted by "consumers" willy nilly. This is one of those instances where "the market will take care of itself" comes back to bite you in the ass. You know? Comparable to when some of us brilliant ones said the same thing when we didn't give a hoot about labeling our food? Now look what's become of that tyranny. Next, you'll (as well as junior and even his offspring) be paying royalties to these multi-nationals for the rest of your lives because you ate something that they have patented. And you are what you eat. Which, Of course, doesn't belong to you.

But, yes. Technically, people asked for it. Again...

They are a loyal brood.

[satchelmcqueen]

fuck this government in the ass i say.... damn when will this crap end?

[Anti Federalist]

And, you know what, I think in home 24/7 surveillance is required in order to monitor for compliance.

Furthermore, since you are three times more likely to die in a fall around the home than on a motorcycle, I demand that helmets be made mandatory at all times in the home, when you are not sitting or in bed.

[shane77m]

Maybe they will buy my trailer from me at a reasonable cost. Or at least pay off the lone that I am upside down in. I can get me a swanky new gubment house. After that I might as well go for an Obamaphone.

[kathy88]

And, you know what, I think in home 24/7 surveillance is required in order to monitor for compliance.

Furthermore, since you are three times more likely to die in a fall around the home than on a motorcycle, I demand that helmets be made mandatory at all times in the home, when you are not sitting or in bed.
What if you fall out of the chair or the bed. Mandatory at all times. Double fines for not wearing it in the bathroom, very dangerous place with all that hard tile and stuff.

[mad cow]

And, you know what, I think in home 24/7 surveillance is required in order to monitor for compliance.

Furthermore, since you are three times more likely to die in a fall around the home than on a motorcycle, I demand that helmets be made mandatory at all times in the home, when you are not sitting or in bed.

People have been seriously injured falling out of beds and chairs.

[Anti Federalist]

And when will it stop?

ROFL.

If you're waiting on "the people" to have some kind of mass awakening and rise up and put and end to this, you're delusional.

"The people" line up in droves to pay for their enslavement.

Compliance to authority, outside a few grumblers and refuseniks, is complete and total within the general population.

If "authority" told them that they needed to barbeque their first born child on the front lawn in order to keep them safe, they would do so, and the only thing they would grumble about is who is going to pay for the sauce. (That would be the "mainstream conservatives", whining about "unfunded mandates".)

This will be stopped when:

A - The powers that be decide they have had enough fun laughing at us and kill us all off in a bio-engineered plague.

B - The narrow minority of us secedes, with no consideration given to those living in a particular land area who might want otherwise.

C - The narrow minority of us sieze freedom, with no consideration given to those who may not want to go along with that.

Nobody has the stones for B or C (yeah, I'm guilty too) so A is looking more and more likely as years go by.

Of course, in the final run up to A, any semblance of true political and civil "liberty" will have been thoroughly stamped out.

[Natural Citizen]

And, you know what, I think in home 24/7 surveillance is required in order to monitor for compliance.



Very good, grashooper. Now if we just remain trained to feeding Google every waking thought we have they'll have processes fully acceptable and ready for infrastructure in no time. Hell, we've already got students chipped and under the impression that Constitutional rights are a fairy tale before they ever even learn they have them. Yep. A place for everything and everything in it's place. As they say...the market will work itself out. And, oh yes, the people will love them for it. After all...it's the market. Well...until they actually get it. Nothing like repatriating the land of the free with a terms of service agreement. Forget about that god damned piece of paper we had before. Right? I don't know. I think it's nuts that people look for strawmen to blame when all they have to do is look in the mirror at the good little consumers who forgot they were citizens.

[Working Poor]

fuck this government in the ass i say.... damn when will this crap end?
Lol! Say what you really mean satchelmcqueen

[Anti Federalist]

And, oh yes, the people will love them for it. After all...it's the market. Well...until they actually get it.

Nothing like repatriating the land of the free with a terms of service agreement.

Forget about that god damned piece of paper we had before. Right? I don't know. I think it's nuts that people look for strawmen to blame when all they have to do is look in the mirror at the good little consumers who forgot they were citizens.

Oh...oh that is good.

+rep

[Natural Citizen]

Nothing like repatriating the land of the free with a terms of service agreement.

Forget about that god damned piece of paper we had before. Right? I don't know. I think it's nuts that people look for strawmen to blame when all they have to do is look in the mirror at the good little consumers who forgot they were citizens.

Oh...oh that is good.

+rep

That's a very real phenomenon though. I hate to even bring it up as much as I do because it sounds like I'm being an obtuse prick but it's true. I mean, cripes. Our very political processes are being assumed by holders of Intellectual Property and they are restructuring minds to rescribble notions of how it truly pertains to citizens versus consumers of liberty(the product). Always with a terms of service that go out of it's way to clearly and specifically make it abundantly clear that "you" are the consumer in this contract and they are the ones marketing liberty. And how many times do you, the consumer, hear that it's their right to do so? See how that works? Think about that for a second. You'll find the term citizen no place yet it's the historic rights of the citizen that are silenty removed through these terms of service add-on. And that's what these homes will be. Is just an illusion of ownership. But it goes way beyond that because we enable it through our own acceptance and participation in really dumb things but remain blind to the flipside of how it progresses right under our noses. So many different aspects of current events and infrastructure is leading up to this whole "smart housing" gag. How many times have you read "Quick, everybody go tweet this or that"? What the heck does that do? Besides train the dolt to accept that it's ok for he or she to be referenced as a tweeter instead of a citizen. Heck the majority are quick to give themselves the label. Ignoring the reality that unlike ideas of the mind, a tweet can and certainly will be stopped as the intellectual property holder sees fit and if the citizen steps out of bounds of the terms that require he or she to conform to the responsibilities of the consumer that he or she has accepted themselves to be through blind participation in these atrificial processes that transform liberty...the idea, to liberty...the product. I see a consistent divide in two different generations because of this recklessness. Older generation who actually have the right notion and would support constitutional based candidates really don't see the logic in further empowering liberty for the entity through IP tomfoolery that the younger generation (although with good intentions) are blind to. They see it for what it is.(the older crowd, that is)

And there are many more comparisons of similar zodiac mind fudging going on. I just happened to pick that one because I see it so much. This smart housing phenomenon has been heavily recognized and discussed in other areas where the door is being opened for it to crepe into reality. Believe it or not, it's a hot subject in discussion relevant to the shenanigans happening in Texas with the student chipping. It's very relevant. As well as relevant to other similar backdoor happenings. Look at what happened when the two homeowners were arrested on their own property because they didn't want the dangerous smart meters installed. People just choose to ignore it because they see what they want to see relative to these other issues as opposed to taking the time to stop, pay attention, and consider relevance across the board. I know one thing. People playing movement are almost always acting as the consumer in every sense of the word when conforming to these artificial processes that serve only the IP holders interest. Not the citizen. As I said. That language is always and conveniently removed. Consumers, they are. No Constitution to get in the way. Only terms of service to repave the way. It's a very destructive phenomenon to the historic logic of processes in the minds of people. Too often, people support the growth model of the entity (whose model only pertains to the growth in power and say so of the entity) as opposed to their own citizenship and means to tell it how it's going to be.

Anyhow. I'm getting off topic. But yes, the whole smart housing phenomenon that we'll all soon become bombarded with derives from our very consumption of useless trinketry and our willingness to just sign up for anything and freely distribute our every waking thought via the intellectual property that likes to call itself technology. It is not "technology". It's a manipulation of science and technology.

Careful when we blindly go around chirping the old "the market will fix itself" gag. Libertarians are really good for that. As are others. But we should stop and consider/ask if we're selling ourselves our own ropes.

That was a great point regarding the home security thing though. Eventually healthcare legislation will provide conforming trinkets to the infrastructure as well complete with data. Neat, huh? The entire infrastructure is and will remain IT based.This is something that we briefly brought up months ago in another thread regarding the prtable watch towers in public areas. This smart homes industry is exactly where I was headed in discussion when the home security topic was brought up there. That thread quickly died thereafter but we see that the issue is still relavant and is creping forward into infrastructure and blind acceptance through consumerist ideology versus that of the constitutionality of it in our best interest as human "people". Not "people.INC". Again...survival of a civilization versus growth of the virus. Two different phenomenon. Repatriate wisely. Consuming wrecklessly ain't cuttin it.

[osan]

Could we be on the way to only being allowed to live in government approved housing? I guess in a way we already are with building codes being in place.

That could be a goal, but I do not see this as being primary. The more fundamental goal likely lays along the general strategic objective of increasing control for its own sake, or perhaps more correctly put, for the sake of the psychological benefits reaped by expanding the Control State. Much as is the case with passing redundant law, this extra element of control expand's the Control State's menu of options to steer public behavior.

The intentions may be valid enough and I will not attribute conscious malevolence where I have no evidence of it, but we all know that which generously paves the interstates to hell.

Consider the taxation element that is introduced here. If the American people lay down for this sort of thing, they fling open wide the doors to at least a full generation of potentially (and perhaps likely) ruinous taxation. If it is accepted, regardless of how loudly people bleat in complaint, They will then hold the basis by which to hit us with a "safe housing" tax so that all dem' po' po' unnuh'privlij peepuh' kin git deysef uh nahss pace t'liv. It's only fair, right? We must, after all, have social justice. Right?

Just imagine the herniating and possibly endless burden on the middle class that this could pose. An example of this is the Golden Gate bridge. The maintenance involves an unending cycle of blasting and repainting. They start at one end and by the time they get to the end it is time to start at the beginning once again. So could it be with this safe housing nonsense. You "fix" a given house and in 25 years it will need to be revisited. If taxpayers are to foot this bill by force then the tax burden is likely to be perpetual. With about 90 million households, give or take, even if we could "repair" 1 million houses per year, which we possibly could not, it would take us 90 years to finish the job... and that assumes zero growth in housing. If each house incurred only $30K in costs to repair, not a high figure (a new roof alone could easily cost you $15K), that would be $30B/year.

If Obama or whomever were to go the FDR route (not out of the question by a very long shot) and ramp up to do 3 million houses/year, that would be $90B out of our pockets (more because of administrative overhead and waste and corruption costs). Given how these things tend to go and the drive toward kissing the end of the Union penis, I would see this easily running $150-$300B per year and I do not regard this as exaggerated in the least. That's $500-$1000 per person per year or much closer to $3000-$3500 per household, average. Accounting for the large swaths of tax parasites and so forth, the average cost per actual paying household goes way up, perhaps twice that sum and of course the EvilleWealthyPeople(tm) would be hit far harder still.

This brand of scam is just like the healthcare debacle we face; it is potentially endless in temporal terms and almost definitely ruinous in economic. It will serve as just another facet in the great jewel of Violence-Backed Socialism that will serve to reduce the people of this nation to the uniform, grey, leaden humility of the rest of the world. For a perfect visionary portrait of the brand of bowed-head depression to which I refer here, I strongly recommend you find a copy of Metropolis and watch it with special care given to the workers from the underground city as they change shifts. That is where we are heading, all the while Benito Obama blaring in the background "fairness... corporations... capitalism... evil evil evil..."


In an extreme case I could see them saying that if you live in a "dilapidated" house that it could be condemned and you would be forced into government housing.

Nah. What I describe above is far and away worse. These Klowns are no pikers. They will go for the gusto.

[roho76]

When they ban reality TV.

Never gonna happen. They just slowly creep into another format.

[Anti Federalist]

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[HOLLYWOOD]

Obama wants you to have a nice government approved house to implement Agenda 21.Many people don't realize Agenda 21's goal is to first eliminate the "WASTEFUL & INDEPENDENT" middle classes.