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TheTexan
02-08-2013, 11:51 AM
http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/christopher-dorner-has-already-won-his-war/

Californians are waking up this morning to the news that a single man, Christopher Dorner, an angry ex-cop with no special training, is still waging a successful revenge-based one-man war against southern California law enforcement. The only reason they even know who he is is because Dorner decided to out himself through a length manifesto posted online and packages mailed to media figures.

So far, he’s murdered three people, and has injured two more, targeting law enforcement officers and their families. He’s put local law enforcement so on edge that they’ve fired dozens of rounds into vehicles that look similar to the truck Dorner was driving, shooting two innocent women delivering newspapers.

Dorner will eventually be cut down, but he’s managed to become a catalyst for a number of issues in just 24 hours since word of his deeds, which began with the assassination of a former captain’s daughter and fiance, became common knowledge.

He’s shed light on and popularized an apparently popular belief among some Californians that the Los Angeles Police Department is a corrupt and criminal enterprise to its core. Dorner has become an anti-hero to some (http://twitchy.com/2013/02/07/disturbing-supporters-admirers-leap-to-alleged-murderer-christopher-dorners-defense/), as words of support for Dorner and hatred of the LAPD flows freely on Twitter and no doubt other social media.

Dorner’s 22-page manifesto—as obviously deranged as much of it is—has struck a nerve with many who are choosing to believe Dormer’s claim that he was set upon and destroyed for being a good cop in a bad department. That is extraordinary… and not in a good way.

It takes an incredible amount of bad blood and distrust between the LAPD and the broader citizenry for the claims of an admitted murdering assassin to be accepted at face value over that of law enforcement. Because of his claims and the apparently widespread public belief in them, the LAPD is going to have to hold public hearings re-investigating his case and firing just to reestablish a modicum of credibility.

In damaging the LAPD’s reputation further and showing that is a fairly widespread belief, Dorner has already won his public relations war.

coastie
02-08-2013, 12:06 PM
Dorner’s 22-page manifesto—as obviously deranged as much of it is—has struck a nerve with many who are choosing to believe Dormer’s claim that he was set upon and destroyed for being a good cop in a bad department. That is extraordinary… and not in a good way.

It takes an incredible amount of bad blood and distrust between the LAPD and the broader citizenry for the claims of an admitted murdering assassin to be accepted at face value over that of law enforcement. Because of his claims and the apparently widespread public belief in them, the LAPD is going to have to hold public hearings re-investigating his case and firing just to reestablish a modicum of credibility.

In damaging the LAPD’s reputation further and showing that is a fairly widespread belief, Dorner has already won his public relations war.

Translation:

"Yeah, we all know LAPD are the biggest threat to civilians on the streets of LA(especially right now), and that the majority of the residents there feel that way, and now they're going to have to re-evaluate their position on things, including re-opening the investigation into why Dorner was originally fired. And that's just not right. We must pretend the police are our friends, even when we know they are not. We must."

TheTexan
02-08-2013, 12:12 PM
Translation:

"Yeah, we all know LAPD are the biggest threat to civilians on the streets of LA(especially right now), and that the majority of the residents there feel that way, and now they're going to have to re-evaluate their position on things, including re-opening the investigation into why Dorner was originally fired. And that's just not right. We must pretend the police are our friends, even when we know they are not. We must."

It can be read that way but I don't think that's what he meant

aGameOfThrones
02-08-2013, 12:35 PM
He’s put local law enforcement so on edge that they’ve fired dozens of rounds into vehicles that look similar to the truck Dorner was driving, shooting two innocent women delivering newspapers.

Wait, what?

ronpaulhawaii
02-08-2013, 12:37 PM
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Wait, what?

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg

coastie
02-08-2013, 12:40 PM
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Wait, what?


Yep. The 71 yr old mother of the other victim is now in ICU. Police Chief didn't even apologize for it. Collateral Damage and all of that.

Tyler_Durden
02-08-2013, 12:41 PM
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Wait, what?


https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg


SUSPECT DESCRIPTION:
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/bst2012/bst20121211/bst2012121112770/16093026-asian-girl-on-bicycle-holding-newspaper.jpg

coastie
02-08-2013, 12:45 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg


Look at all of those holes...they were out to execute whoever was in that truck, and only managed to hit one of the two occupants in the vehicle with ONE of those rounds(older lady took a round in the back, the daughter just got cut by glass). From the looks of those groups, I can see why. Look how close that cruiser is, which is safe to assume belonged to the officers firing. That's 20 feet MAX(to the back window). Looks like a lot of spraying and praying to me, and 2 different calibers used...

coastie
02-08-2013, 12:47 PM
SUSPECT DESCRIPTION:
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/bst2012/bst20121211/bst2012121112770/16093026-asian-girl-on-bicycle-holding-newspaper.jpg


The women were of Latino decent, 47 yrs and 71yrs old....just wondering why you keep throwing the Asian girl up?

vita3
02-08-2013, 12:47 PM
Does LAPD do mandatory steroid/drug testing?

FSP-Rebel
02-08-2013, 12:48 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg
The families should bring in Jeffrey Fieger and sue the lights out of the LAPD while also making sure manslaughter charges are brought against every officer that fired a gun in that instance.

Brian4Liberty
02-08-2013, 12:48 PM
He’s shed light on and popularized an apparently popular belief among some Californians that the Los Angeles Police Department is a corrupt and criminal enterprise to its core. Dorner has become an anti-hero to some (http://twitchy.com/2013/02/07/disturbing-supporters-admirers-leap-to-alleged-murderer-christopher-dorners-defense/), as words of support for Dorner and hatred of the LAPD flows freely on Twitter and no doubt other social media.

Dorner’s 22-page manifesto—as obviously deranged as much of it is—has struck a nerve with many who are choosing to believe Dormer’s claim that he was set upon and destroyed for being a good cop in a bad department. That is extraordinary… and not in a good way.

It takes an incredible amount of bad blood and distrust between the LAPD and the broader citizenry for the claims of an admitted murdering assassin to be accepted at face value over that of law enforcement. Because of his claims and the apparently widespread public belief in them, the LAPD is going to have to hold public hearings re-investigating his case and firing just to reestablish a modicum of credibility.

In damaging the LAPD’s reputation further and showing that is a fairly widespread belief, Dorner has already won his public relations war.

Nothing new. Did the author never hear about the LA riots? This goes back a long way, and erupted with the Rodney King riots. Not to say that it won't happen again, but it's certainly nothing new.

phill4paul
02-08-2013, 12:49 PM
Look at all of those holes...they were out to execute whoever was in that truck, and only managed to hit one of the two occupants in the vehicle with ONE of those rounds(older lady took a round in the back, the daughter just got cut by glass). From the looks of those groups, I can see why. Look how close that cruiser is, which is safe to assume belonged to the officers firing. That's 20 feet MAX(to the back window). Looks like a lot of spraying and praying to me, and 2 different calibers used...

If you look by the drivers side door it also looks like shot-shells to me.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef017ee850259a970d-640wi

Original_Intent
02-08-2013, 12:49 PM
Wait, what?

Don't wait to be inundated with coverage of that aspect by the MSM.

When everything comes down,a nd it will eventually, I hope that people remember ALL of the guilty parties, including a largely compliant and complacent media. They are at the very least accessories to the crime. I also hope that elected officials are held accountable. Any official that supports or worse promotes disarming the citizens needs to be remembered as an enemy of the people. Hating on dirty cops is all well and good, but in most cases you are simply hating the tool (the gun, if you will) and not the person wielding it (politicians, bankers, etc.) And the media does its part by killing or slanting stories to cover for them. The media better start doing its job as watchdog and siding with the people, or when things get ugly, they are going to find themselves on the "vastly outnumbered" side.

noneedtoaggress
02-08-2013, 12:52 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg

I just wanted to point out that the subtitle to that image is fallacious. That truck was both a different model and a different color, and had 2 asian women who would be incredibly hard to confuse with a 270lbs black guy.

Trigger happy paranoid cops was all this was.

"HEY IS THAT A TRUCK? ISN'T THAT GUY DRIVING A TRUCK?"

"YEAH!!!! OMG WE BETTER BLAST IT!!!!"

*POW POW POW POW POW POW POW*

coastie
02-08-2013, 12:52 PM
If you look by the drivers side door it also looks like shot-shells to me.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef017ee850259a970d-640wi

Hmmm, maybe. I see only one possible shotgun pattern, the passenger side back window. And that's even a stretch, the pattern wouldn't have spread that much, that close.

ETA: I just grabbed some targets from the garage, I take that back, that could be a correct pattern from that distance, I suppose. Still looks a little tight to me, my targets were set up at 25yds when I sent the buckshot its way, and the pattern looks similar. That is most certainly not anywhere close to 75 feet though, 25 at best.

torchbearer
02-08-2013, 12:52 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg

That doesn't look like a nissan titan, and i'm certain those women didn't look like a big dark skinned man either.
that is how scared the cops are- shoot first, look later.

A Son of Liberty
02-08-2013, 01:04 PM
Hmmm, maybe. I see only one possible shotgun pattern, the passenger side back window. And that's even a stretch, the pattern wouldn't have spread that much, that close.

ETA: I just grabbed some targets from the garage, I take that back, that could be a correct pattern from that distance, I suppose. Still looks a little tight to me, my targets were set up at 25yds when I sent the buckshot its way, and the pattern looks similar. That is most certainly not anywhere close to 75 feet though, 25 at best.

Could have been slugs?

A Son of Liberty
02-08-2013, 01:05 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg

Bald black man in foreground might be Dorner?

Original_Intent
02-08-2013, 01:06 PM
Notice that the media has quieted down on this story? I wonder if it is because people are privately cheering Dorner on and the LAPD is not helping themselves any in the PR department?
Even if they get Dorner, are they just going to opt to dump him in a lake somewhere rather than amking the story any bigger? Because if it gets big, enquiring minds are gonna want to know the details of the training officer beating the schitzo guy. I'm almost worried for schitzo guy and his dad having accidents so they aren't around to bolster Dorner's claims. (I guess there will always be the court documents though.)

aGameOfThrones
02-08-2013, 01:08 PM
That doesn't look like a nissan titan, and i'm certain those women didn't look like a big dark skinned man either.
that is how scared the cops are- shoot first, look later.

It's like they are trying to hide something by not wanting to bring Dorner alive. Stuff like that makes me confuse on who the bad guy is suppose to be.

coastie
02-08-2013, 01:09 PM
Could have been slugs?


All of those holes are too small to have been a slug, and I don't see three bigger holes there that stand out from the rest. Either way, it doesn't matter in the end, and getting a little off topic on this thread now.

coastie
02-08-2013, 01:11 PM
It's like they are trying to hide something by not wanting to bring Dorner alive. Stuff like that makes me confuse on who the bad guy is suppose to be.


The ONLY way he lives out of this is if he turns himself in in a very public way.

kathy88
02-08-2013, 01:13 PM
WHY THE FUCK doesn't congress step the fuck in when this stuff happens? Where are the reps from that district? I'm sure they're gun hating liberals.... HOW is this OKAY?

kathy88
02-08-2013, 01:13 PM
The ONLY way he lives out of this is if he turns himself in in a very public way.

Right. But I'm sure he'd "hang himself" in jail.

AGRP
02-08-2013, 01:15 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg

HOLY WTF SMOKES! REALLY?! Thanks not even a Nissan! Shouldnt they be tried for double attempted murder?

A Son of Liberty
02-08-2013, 01:15 PM
All of those holes are too small to have been a slug, and I don't see three bigger holes there that stand out from the rest. Either way, it doesn't matter in the end, and getting a little off topic on this thread now.

Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't really look closely at the holes...

One last little OT - me and my kid brother we shooting at an old sign on my land, and he hit the T-post with a slug... cut it in half. I LOVE shooting slugs. :)

Anyway, back to the topic...

kathy88
02-08-2013, 01:17 PM
I just wanted to point out that the subtitle to that image is fallacious. That truck was both a different model and a different color, and had 2 asian women who would be incredibly hard to confuse with a 270lbs black guy.

Trigger happy paranoid cops was all this was.

"HEY IS THAT A TRUCK? ISN'T THAT GUY DRIVING A TRUCK?"

"YEAH!!!! OMG WE BETTER BLAST IT!!!!"

*POW POW POW POW POW POW POW 'MERICA.*

FIFY

Danke
02-08-2013, 01:24 PM
I just wanted to point out that the subtitle to that image is fallacious. That truck was both a different model and a different color, and had 2 asian women who would be incredibly hard to confuse with a 270lbs black guy.


It is LA, perhaps Michael Jackson and his video had an influence on those cops. See:

http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/ironman28/clips/identity-morphs-from-michael-jacksons-black-or-white-video

AGRP
02-08-2013, 01:28 PM
Does the picture of the shot up truck that didnt resemble his that was occupied by two women validate his concerns?

kathy88
02-08-2013, 01:30 PM
Does the picture of the shot up truck that didnt resemble his that was occupied by two women validate his concerns?

Yes but FUCK YOU anyway. Next question, mundane.

UtahApocalypse
02-08-2013, 01:38 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg


Interesting theory.....

"Blue Alert" Secret Police Kill Order? LAPD, CHP Shoot on Sight Directive
Yesterday they made a big deal that the L.A. police, and other California agencies had issued a "Blue Alert" According to the CHP a "Blue Alert" is issued when an officer is killed.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/blue/index.html

So now here is something interesting. I googled "Blue Alert" along with California, CHP, or "Los Angelas" and filtered for anytime before this week.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22blue%20alert%22%20%22Los%20Angelas%22&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=993&sa=X&ei=CzQVUf6jEYKOyAH_goHwCQ&ved=0CCEQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:,cd_max:1/31/2013&tbm=nws#hl=en&tbo=d&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:1/31/2013&tbm=nws&spell=1&q="blue alert" "Los Angeles"&sa=X&ei=GzQVUfPGDpDlyAG744CoDg&ved=0CCsQBSgA&fp=1&biw=1920&bih=993&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=81MVUeiBMKfuyQHZxIDgCg

With how many officers are killed in any given year there should be quite a few news stories of "Blue ALert" being activated.

NONE!! Not until this week.

So a "Blue Alert" apparently never has been used before.

So what happened this time when a "Blue Alert" was sent out?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/2-innocent-women-shot-during-manhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/

“There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots.”

as two Asian women were both shot for just being in a truck.

and just down the road: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/la-police-shoot-innocent-people-in-ex-cop-manhunt/

A second officer-involved shooting involving Torrance police occurred around 5:45 a.m. on Flagler Lane, Cmmdr. Andrew Smith said. No injuries were reported in that incident.

So what does it mean?

The "Blue Alert" declaration is a shoot to kill order. They are not even attempting to take Dorner alive.

In previous Police shootings No "Blue Alert" was ever given, suspects were not shot at with no direct threat.

Brian4Liberty
02-08-2013, 02:07 PM
WHY THE FUCK doesn't congress step the fuck in when this stuff happens? Where are the reps from that district? I'm sure they're gun hating liberals.... HOW is this OKAY?

Should be a matter for the voters, the City Council and the Mayor of LA...

coastie
02-08-2013, 02:10 PM
Should be a matter for the voters, the City Council and the Mayor of LA...

Well, that answers your question, Kathy. Look what those listed have done to that place so far....:D

kathy88
02-08-2013, 02:11 PM
Should be a matter for the voters, the City Council and the Mayor of LA...

I agree wholeheartedly, but they butt into everything else, why not out of control cops?

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-08-2013, 03:04 PM
Well, this just confirms my feelings about Solzhenitsyn. Police can dish it, but they certainly can't take it.

Of course the media is laying low on this, because most of the population supports Dorner, because the police are corrupt, murdering, assholes. I'm still surprised this hasn't happened in NYC yet.

AGRP
02-08-2013, 03:12 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg

Got to love the red crime scene tape. What are they doing to do? Investigate the double attempted murder they just committed and charge themselves with it?

LibForestPaul
02-08-2013, 03:20 PM
NYC retired cops hate the new batch of recruits. "Thugs with badges". But its PC to screw with whitey.

fisharmor
02-08-2013, 03:21 PM
Hey, you know what just occurred to me?

Who's saying this incident had anything at all to do with Dorner?

Couldn't it just as easily have been just another day in LA?

aGameOfThrones
02-08-2013, 03:24 PM
Got to love the red crime scene tape. What are they doing to do? Investigate the double attempted murder they just committed and charge themselves with it?

I find the lack of you being REPORTED disturbing.

And BTW, Don't want to have negative contacts with the cops, don't live in the war zones of America. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?381476-Inside-the-mind-of-a-SWAT-cop&highlight=War+zones+America)

coastie
02-08-2013, 04:09 PM
Hey, you know what just occurred to me?

Who's saying this incident had anything at all to do with Dorner?

Couldn't it just as easily have been just another day in LA?

Well, I'm pretty sure the LAPD Chief wouldn't have been talking about it in a press conference about what's going on if it wasn't related, nor admit it happened because the officers fired because they thought it was him, and I doubt the ladies who were shot's lawyer would be having press conferences if it wasn't related...I could go on, if need be.

coastie
02-08-2013, 04:11 PM
Got to love the red crime scene tape. What are they doing to do? Investigate the double attempted murder they just committed and charge themselves with it?


Actually, they're probably looking for something to charge their victims with.

UtahApocalypse
02-08-2013, 04:15 PM
Look at this

http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/02/08/35886/attorney-two-women-shot-police-torrance-says-offic/


SIX Cops

aGameOfThrones
02-08-2013, 04:39 PM
Six police officers fired an unknown number of shots at the women, said LAPD spokesman Andy Smith. They are currently on *paid administrative leave as the circumstances of the shooting are investigated.


If it weren't for fact that they were in a similar vehicle and kinda look like a large black man we wouldn't have 6 peace officers on paid leave not looking for an excop with a totally different vehicle. They should be ashame of themselves.

shane77m
02-08-2013, 05:08 PM
Several bullets from the shooting hit his house and cars. He believes between 30 and 50 rounds of shots were fired.

30 to 50 rounds and the women survived. I hope my Tacoma can withstand that many shots.

AGRP
02-08-2013, 05:09 PM
Actually, they're probably looking for something to charge their victims with.

Maybe they were members of the elusive newspaper gang whos mission was to get revenge for the tips they deserved for leaving newspapers on doorsteps instead of driveways like most deliverers? They probably exited the truck with guns that were altered to look like newspapers.

phill4paul
02-08-2013, 05:10 PM
30 to 50 rounds and the women survived. I hope my Tacoma can withstand that many shots.

Had a friend that totaled his Tacoma. He only broke his ankle. He went out a few weeks later and bought a new one. He honestly believed that the truck saved his life.

MRK
02-08-2013, 05:30 PM
Had a friend that totaled his Tacoma. He only broke his ankle. He went out a few weeks later and bought a new one. He honestly believed that the truck saved his life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPnIpjodA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnVZXQD5_k

coastie
02-08-2013, 05:53 PM
6?

I wonder what prompted them to stop shooting? Out of ammo? Highly unlikely. At what part of 60 rounds being fired did they hear these women screaming from inside the truck? I find it hard to believe they just kept their mouths shut while being shot at.

Everyone of those fucks should be in prison-general population, with tattoos on their foreheads that say COP.


ETa: Make that a tramp stamp, as well.

phill4paul
02-08-2013, 06:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPnIpjodA8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnVZXQD5_k


WOW!

tangent4ronpaul
02-08-2013, 06:30 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/2966_489529401084566_1570028819_n.jpg

I counted at least 34 bullet holes. No where near the 107 put into Bonnie and Clydes car or the 126 into that car where the cops murdered a couple of people "by accident" after imagining they heard a gun shot.

That neighbor said at least 3 bullets hit his house. I'm guessing the cops ran out of ammo.


Interesting theory.....

"Blue Alert" Secret Police Kill Order? LAPD, CHP Shoot on Sight Directive
Yesterday they made a big deal that the L.A. police, and other California agencies had issued a "Blue Alert" According to the CHP a "Blue Alert" is issued when an officer is killed.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/blue/index.html

So now here is something interesting. I googled "Blue Alert" along with California, CHP, or "Los Angelas" and filtered for anytime before this week.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22blue%20alert%22%20%22Los%20Angelas%22&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=993&sa=X&ei=CzQVUf6jEYKOyAH_goHwCQ&ved=0CCEQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:,cd_max:1/31/2013&tbm=nws#hl=en&tbo=d&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:1/31/2013&tbm=nws&spell=1&q="blue alert" "Los Angeles"&sa=X&ei=GzQVUfPGDpDlyAG744CoDg&ved=0CCsQBSgA&fp=1&biw=1920&bih=993&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=81MVUeiBMKfuyQHZxIDgCg

With how many officers are killed in any given year there should be quite a few news stories of "Blue ALert" being activated.

NONE!! Not until this week.

So a "Blue Alert" apparently never has been used before.

So what happened this time when a "Blue Alert" was sent out?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/2-innocent-women-shot-during-manhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/

“There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots.”

as two Asian women were both shot for just being in a truck.

and just down the road: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/la-police-shoot-innocent-people-in-ex-cop-manhunt/

A second officer-involved shooting involving Torrance police occurred around 5:45 a.m. on Flagler Lane, Cmmdr. Andrew Smith said. No injuries were reported in that incident.

So what does it mean?

The "Blue Alert" declaration is a shoot to kill order. They are not even attempting to take Dorner alive.

In previous Police shootings No "Blue Alert" was ever given, suspects were not shot at with no direct threat.

I bet this has to do with DHS now being in police/sheriffs offices and Obama's self given kill Americans power.


Look at this

http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/02/08/35886/attorney-two-women-shot-police-torrance-says-offic/


SIX Cops


30 to 50 rounds and the women survived. I hope my Tacoma can withstand that many shots.

About 25 minutes after the shooting, Torrance police responding to the sound of gunshots spotted another truck similar to Dorner's and opened fire. No one was reported hurt.


6?

I wonder what prompted them to stop shooting? Out of ammo? Highly unlikely. At what part of 60 rounds being fired did they hear these women screaming from inside the truck? I find it hard to believe they just kept their mouths shut while being shot at.

Everyone of those fucks should be in prison-general population, with tattoos on their foreheads that say COP.

Good idea! Why not get a law like that put on the ballot!

-t

dannno
02-08-2013, 06:56 PM
The notorious "x-girlfriend" shows up.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-ex-girlfriend-called-him-emotionally-disturbed.html


Dorner manhunt: Ex-girlfriend called him "emotionally disturbed"

Ariana Williams' claims are part of the documents in a restraining order that Dorner was seeking.

The former LAPD officer said in the restraining order request that Williams annoyed and harassed him by phone and in a letter. The restraining order was ultimately denied.

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 08:10 PM
Yep. The 71 yr old mother of the other victim is now in ICU. Police Chief didn't even apologize for it. Collateral Damage and all of that.

Who are the "terrorists" again?

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 08:12 PM
Serious cautionary note to our friends in the SoCal area.

AVOID COPS BY ANY AND MEANS!

These fuckers are spun up and out of control and just looking to light somebody up.

Stay the fuck away.

RickyJ
02-08-2013, 08:17 PM
In damaging the LAPD’s reputation further and showing that is a fairly widespread belief, Dorner has already won his public relations war.

Possibly, but he has now earned a spot in hell. Way too big of a price to pay to "win" a public relations war on Earth.

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 08:23 PM
War on Us, Mundane.

Why does the general population have such a hard time understanding this?

"They" have declared open, "hot", shoot to kill, war on us.

Cops blowing away people randomly in LA and on the other coast, Massachusetts "authorities" declaring martial law, with possible felony prison terms for non-compliance, pre-emptively, over a snowstorm.

War on fucking us.

They kill our dogs, they kill our families, they kill us, and openly state they have the "right" to do so.

And we sit back and suck their dicks, happy to not be the one killed or abused today.

I don't recgonize this country or its citizens anymore.

I think it's time to gtfo.


Interesting theory.....

"Blue Alert" Secret Police Kill Order? LAPD, CHP Shoot on Sight Directive
Yesterday they made a big deal that the L.A. police, and other California agencies had issued a "Blue Alert" According to the CHP a "Blue Alert" is issued when an officer is killed.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/blue/index.html

So now here is something interesting. I googled "Blue Alert" along with California, CHP, or "Los Angelas" and filtered for anytime before this week.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22blue%20alert%22%20%22Los%20Angelas%22&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=993&sa=X&ei=CzQVUf6jEYKOyAH_goHwCQ&ved=0CCEQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:,cd_max:1/31/2013&tbm=nws#hl=en&tbo=d&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:1/31/2013&tbm=nws&spell=1&q="blue alert" "Los Angeles"&sa=X&ei=GzQVUfPGDpDlyAG744CoDg&ved=0CCsQBSgA&fp=1&biw=1920&bih=993&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=81MVUeiBMKfuyQHZxIDgCg

With how many officers are killed in any given year there should be quite a few news stories of "Blue ALert" being activated.

NONE!! Not until this week.

So a "Blue Alert" apparently never has been used before.

So what happened this time when a "Blue Alert" was sent out?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/2-innocent-women-shot-during-manhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/

“There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots.”

as two Asian women were both shot for just being in a truck.

and just down the road: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/la-police-shoot-innocent-people-in-ex-cop-manhunt/

A second officer-involved shooting involving Torrance police occurred around 5:45 a.m. on Flagler Lane, Cmmdr. Andrew Smith said. No injuries were reported in that incident.

So what does it mean?

The "Blue Alert" declaration is a shoot to kill order. They are not even attempting to take Dorner alive.

In previous Police shootings No "Blue Alert" was ever given, suspects were not shot at with no direct threat.

AGRP
02-08-2013, 09:15 PM
No new developments? :(

phill4paul
02-08-2013, 09:17 PM
No new developments? :(

He's doing what he said he would do. He has them hut-hutting hither and yonder. We may not hear from him for weeks.

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 09:25 PM
He's doing what he said he would do. He has them hut-hutting hither and yonder. We may not hear from him for weeks.

+rep for "hut-hutting hither and yon"

tangent4ronpaul
02-08-2013, 09:51 PM
They found his burned out truck in the mountains and followed his tracks till they disappeared, just disappeared.

NEW PICTURE:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5115b765/turbine/la-1356947-me-0207-shoot-02-rrc.jpg-20130208/580/580x378

Details emerge in LAPD's mistaken shooting of newspaper carriers
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130209,0,4414028.story

The officers' radio crackled with an urgent warning: He could be coming your way.

It was around 5 a.m. in Torrance on Thursday and police from nearby El Segundo had seen a pickup truck exit a freeway and head in the general direction of the Redbeam Avenue residence of a high-ranking Los Angeles police official, which was being guarded by a group of LAPD officers.

Police were on the lookout for Christopher Jordan Dorner, a disgruntled ex-cop suspected of hunting down members of the LAPD and their families in a twisted campaign of revenge. The radio call indicated that the truck matched the description of Dorner's gray Nissan Titan.

A few minutes later, a truck slowly rolled down the quiet residential street.

As the vehicle approached the house, officers opened fire, unloading a barrage of bullets into the back of the truck. When the shooting stopped, they quickly realized their mistake. The truck was not a Nissan Titan, but a Toyota Tacoma. The color wasn't gray, but aqua blue. And it wasn't Dorner inside the truck, but a woman and her mother delivering copies of the Los Angeles Times.

In an interview with The Times on Friday, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck outlined the most detailed account yet of how the shooting unfolded. Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were the victims of "a tragic misinterpretation" by officers working under "incredible tension," he said. Just hours before, Dorner allegedly shot three police officers, one fatally. And, in an online posting authorities attributed to him, Dorner threatened to kill more police and seemed to take responsibility for the slaying over the weekend of the daughter of a retired LAPD captain and her fiance.

Beck and others stressed that the investigation into the shooting is in its infancy. They declined to say how many officers were involved, what kind of weapons they used, how many bullets were fired and, perhaps most important, what kind of verbal warnings — if any — were given to the women before the shooting began

Law enforcement sources told The Times that at least seven officers opened fire. On Friday, the street was pockmarked with bullet holes in cars, trees, garage doors and roofs. Residents said they wanted to know what happened.

"How do you mistake two Hispanic women, one who is 71, for a large black male?" said Richard Goo, 62, who counted five bullet holes in the entryway to his house.

Glen T. Jonas, the attorney representing the women, said the police officers gave "no commands, no instructions and no opportunity to surrender" before opening fire. He described a terrifying encounter in which the pair were in the early part of their delivery route through several South Bay communities. Hernandez was in the back seat handing papers to her daughter, who was driving. Carranza would briefly slow the truck to throw papers on driveways and front walks.

As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.

A day after the shooting, residents in the street surveyed the damage.

Kathy Merkosky, 53, was outside her stucco home pointing out the six bullet holes in the bumper and grill of her silver Acura MD-X. She knew her truck was damaged when she spotted it on television and "saw fluid flowing into the street."

Her Ford Focus was hit as well — a bullet shattered the windshield and another flattened a front tire.

"I've never heard gunfire on my street," Merkosky said. "Or ever in my life.... I hope they catch the guy so all this craziness will end."

Goo also was startled by the early-morning blasts.

"When I heard all the pop-pop-popping, I dropped to the ground, crawled around and pulled my wife out of the bed and I got on top of her," he said.

Goo said he could hear the bullets hitting the front door and feared they were coming through the house. He said he called 911 for the police, but was notified that they were already there.

-t

MRK
02-08-2013, 09:55 PM
Goo said he could hear the bullets hitting the front door and feared they were coming through the house. He said he called 911 for the police, but was notified that they were already there.

-t



LOL, I love when journalists end articles with puns like this.

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 10:10 PM
In an interview with The Times on Friday, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck outlined the most detailed account yet of how the shooting unfolded. Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were the victims of "a tragic misinterpretation" by officers working under "incredible tension," he said.

"So you see, citizen, you must have a proper respect for the tremendous strain your protectors are working under and FUCK YOU!"

SMFH...condescending, asshole cops...Jesus.

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 10:11 PM
LOL, I love when journalists end articles with puns like this.

I know, high lar ee us, amirite???

MRK
02-08-2013, 10:15 PM
In an interview with The Times on Friday, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck outlined the most detailed account yet of how the shooting unfolded. Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were the victims of "a tragic misinterpretation" by officers working under "incredible tension," he said.


"So you see, citizen, you must have a proper respect for the tremendous strain your protectors are working under and FUCK YOU!"

SMFH...condescending, asshole cops...Jesus.

So I guess the LAPD Chief is saying that these cops were nervous because they knew they were guilty of whatever awful conduct against the alleged perpetrator or what he stood for when he was still in the force? If they were nervous enough to fire at the first truck they saw, I can only imagine what kind of terrible things these cops did to have that reaction be spawned from their conscience.

TheTexan
02-08-2013, 10:17 PM
Officer Safety™

P3ter_Griffin
02-08-2013, 10:18 PM
He said he called 911 for the police, but was notified that they were already there.



lmfao

Anti Federalist
02-08-2013, 10:31 PM
So I guess the LAPD Chief is saying that these cops were nervous because they knew they were guilty of whatever awful conduct against the alleged perpetrator or what he stood for when he was still in the force? If they were nervous enough to fire at the first truck they saw, I can only imagine what kind of terrible things these cops did to have that reaction be spawned from their conscience.


Just to keep all this in perspective:



Line of Duty Deaths in 2012: 126
Aircraft accident: 3
Assault: 1
Automobile accident: 25
Duty related illness: 4
Fall: 2
Gunfire: 47
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 7
Heat exhaustion: 1
Motorcycle accident: 5
Stabbed: 5
Struck by vehicle: 6
Training accident: 2
Vehicle pursuit: 5
Vehicular assault: 11

Read more: http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2012#ixzz2KMw4g5OL

This year compared to last?

9 total as of 8 Feb.

Down 55% compared to this time last year.

"The Wicked flee, when none pursue."

tangent4ronpaul
02-08-2013, 11:40 PM
Anyone know what a "loner" is? During the Vietnam war, some special ops people were loners. They went out alone, found a enemy encampment and spent a considerable amount of time setting up booby traps along their egress out. They then struck, taking out the highest ranking officer they could spot, and any ammo/fuel dump if it was convenient. They might then snipe whoever was convenient - effectively taking a baseball bat to a bee hive and running through their egress route full of booby traps as a ton of pissed off troops pursued them...

Note in the following that he was in UDT. That's the school you go through before you can volunteer for SEAL school. They are to the Navy what Rangers are to Special Forces.

I think the cops are about to get their asses kicked and this will be one for the history books!

Amid Calif. snowstorm, manhunt for ex-LA cop continues
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568518/amid-calif-snowstorm-manhunt-for-ex-la-cop-continues/

BIG BEAR LAKE, CALIF. All that was left were footprints leading away from Christopher Dorner's burned-out pickup truck, and enormous, snow-covered mountains where he could be hiding among hundreds of cabins, deep canyons and dense woods.

More than 100 officers, including SWAT teams, were driven Friday in glass-enclosed snow machines and armored personnel carriers to hunt for the former Los Angeles police officer suspected of going on a deadly rampage to get back at those he blamed for ending his police career.

With bloodhounds in tow, officers went door to door as snow fell, aware to the reality they could be walking into a trap set by the well-trained former Navy reservist who knows their tactics and strategies as well as they do.

"The bad guy is out there, he has a certain time on you, and a distance. How do you close that?" asked T. Gregory Hall, a retired tactical supervisor for a special emergency response team for the Pennsylvania State Police.

"The bottom line is, when he decides that he is going to make a stand, the operators are in great jeopardy," Hall said.

As authorities weathered heavy snow and freezing temperatures in the mountains, thousands of heavily armed police remained on the lookout throughout California, Nevada, Arizona and northern Mexico.

Police said officers still were guarding more than 40 people mentioned as targets in a rant they said Dorner posted on Facebook. He vowed to use "every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordinance and survival training I've been given" to bring "warfare" to the LAPD and its families.

At noon, police and U.S. marshals accompanied by computer forensics specialists used a search warrant to remove about 10 paper grocery bags of evidence from his mother's single-story house in the Orange County city of La Palma. Dorner's mother and sister cooperated with the search, and a police spokesman said.

The manhunt had Southern California residents on edge. Unconfirmed sightings were reported near Barstow, about 60 miles north of the mountain search, and in downtown Los Angeles.

Some law enforcement officials said he appeared to be everywhere and nowhere, and speculated that he was trying to spread out their resources.

For the time being, their focus was on the mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles -- a snowy wilderness, filled with thick forests and jagged peaks, that creates peril as much for Dorner as the officers hunting him. Bad weather grounded helicopters with heat-sensing technology.

After the discovery of Dorner truck Thursday afternoon, SWAT teams in camouflage started scouring the mountains.

As officers worked through the night, a storm blew in, possibly covering tracks that had led them away from his truck but offering the possibility of a fresh trail to follow.

"The snow is great for tracking folks as well as looking at each individual cabin to see if there's any signs of forced entry," said San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon.

The small army hunting him has the advantage of strength in numbers and access to resources, such as special weapons, to bring him in.

In his online rant, Dorner baited authorities.

"Any threat assessments you generate will be useless," it read. "I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving."

Without the numbers that authorities have, Dorner holds one advantage: the element of surprise.

"He can be behind every tree," Hall said. "He can try to draw them into an ambush area where he backtracks."

# common specwar tactic known as a J-Hook. If you take several stands of det cord with knots and bury it where they are likely to take cover or use some claymores you can take out an entire patrol quite easily.

Authorities said they do not know how long Dorner had been planning the rampage or why he drove to the San Bernardino Mountains. Property records show his mother owns undeveloped land nearby, but a search of the area found no sign of him.

On why Dorner went to Big Bear, CBS News correspondent John Miller, a former commander in the LAPD, said he didn't go there by accident: "That's not a road you are going to make a wrong turn on. If you're going to drive up that mountain, it's because you intend to. There's one way in and one way out. I've been there many times. But he also didn't end up where he wanted to. And those rough roads -- it it appears he broke the axle on that truck.

#and 100+ soon to be trapped cops.

"His family had property up there before. He's familiar with that area from when he was younger, so it may be that he intended to break into one of the empty vacation homes and hide out, seek refuge. It's cold and getting colder. Or it may be that he wanted to get into one of those houses, find some keys and get a car they're not looking for all over five counties. That's why that search was very important, why it unfolded quickly, and why they're still trying to figure out which way he went because that tells us a little bit about his next move."

#look for signs of dug up caches...

"Unless he is an expert in living in the California mountains in this time of year, he is going to be hurting," said former Navy SEAL Clint Sparks, who now works in tactical training and security. "Cold is a huge stress factor. ... Not everybody is survivor-man."

Jamie Usera, an attorney in Salem, Ore., who befriended Dorner when they were students and football teammates at Southern Utah University, said he introduced him to the outdoors. Originally from Alaska, Usera said, he taught Dorner about hunting and other outdoor activities.

"Of all the people I hung out with in college, he is the last guy I would have expected to be in this kind of situation," Usera, who had lost touch with Dorner is recent years, told the Los Angeles Times.

Others saw Dorner differently. Court documents obtained by The Associated Press on Friday show an ex-girlfriend of Dorner's called him "severely emotionally and mentally disturbed" after the two split in 2006.

Dorner served in the Navy, earning a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal. He was assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, according to military records. He took leave from the LAPD for a six-month deployment to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007.

Last Friday was his last day with the Navy and also the day CNN's Anderson Cooper received a package that contained a note on it that read, in part, "I never lied." A coin riddled with bullet holes that former Chief William Bratton gave out as a souvenir was also in the package.

#you can bet several Naval armories are conducting an inventory as we speak.

Police said it was a sign of planning by Dorner before the killing began.

On Sunday, police say Dorner shot and killed a couple in a parking garage at their condominium in Irvine. The woman was the daughter of a retired police captain who had represented Dorner in the disciplinary proceedings that led to his firing.

Dorner wrote in his manifesto that he believed the retired captain had represented the interests of the department over his.

Hours after authorities identified Dorner as a suspect in the double murder, police believe Dorner shot and grazed an LAPD officer in Corona and then used a rifle to ambush two Riverside police officers early Thursday, killing one and seriously wounding the other.

The incident led police to believe he was armed with multiple weapons, including an assault-type rifle. That detail concerned officers whose bullet-proof vests can be penetrated by such high-powered weapons, said LAPD Deputy Chief Kirk Albanese.

As a result, all LAPD officers have been required to work in pairs to ensure "a greater likelihood of coming out on top if there is an ambush," Albanese said. "We have no officers alone right now."

In Big Bear Lake on Friday, residents were on edge about the manhunt even as ski slopes remained open.

"A lot of people are frightened by it," said Dennis Pitner. "A lot of people are at home locked in their houses and probably won't come out for a couple more days, maybe even longer."

#I predict avalanches in that area in the coming days.

I was looking for a demotivational poster that seems very appropriate, but couldn't find it. It pictures a teenage girl sitting cross legged on railroad tracks with a train approaching her from behind and is captioned: "Teenage daughter, That poor train never stood a chance". It seems appropriate. Those cops are screwed!

-t

tod evans
02-09-2013, 01:18 AM
Ya' know how many "ex" servicemen there are who don't like the way things are going right now?

Wonder how many are quietly stewing about now.....

Anti Federalist
02-09-2013, 01:21 AM
Ya' know how many "ex" servicemen there are who don't like the way things are going right now?

Wonder how many are quietly stewing about now.....

Lines are forming...

Danke
02-09-2013, 01:45 AM
Lines are forming...

Names, I need names.

tangent4ronpaul
02-09-2013, 01:50 AM
Anyone remember a guy named Eric Rudolph? He did some bombings for the "Army of God" (anti-abortion/anti-gay). Guy went on the lamb in the NC woods and evaded capture for FIVE YEARS! Entire military units as well as multiple gvmt agencies engaged in a massive manhunt for him. All the stuff they are using against this guy were used - bloodhounds, thermal imagery, etc. There was a 1 Million bounty on his head. He was an outdoors man, as is this guy. He served 2 years in the military and not in an elite unite, unlike this guy who has much more training and skills. The cops are screwed! - unless they get very lucky.

Look at how hard it was to catch Hussane(sp?) and OBL and how long it took. What about the unibomber?

What if he kills a few cops a week... and stays out there for years?
What about copy-cats?
When there are fires in an industry, there is increased absenteeism in that industry, according to insurance company reports.
Not to mention an uprising in the public - like the LA riots, due to things like paper carriers getting mowed down?
What happens when TPTB are shown to be incompetent and incapable of protecting themselves, let alone the public?

I can see a def upside to this whole fiasco...

-t

alucard13mmfmj
02-09-2013, 01:59 AM
This story reminds me of that one movie with Samuel Jackson, "The Negotiator".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negotiator

aGameOfThrones
02-09-2013, 02:00 AM
Lines are forming...

Regina Tasca (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?391391-Why-there-are-no-quot-good-cops-quot&highlight=Regina) is probably being monitored right now.

aGameOfThrones
02-09-2013, 02:01 AM
This story reminds me of that one movie with Samuel Jackson, "The Negotiator".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negotiator

"Law Abiding Citizen" but without being a cop.

cindy25
02-09-2013, 03:38 AM
first they shot innocent dogs, now they are shooting innocent people; still no public outcry againt the police thugs.

alucard13mmfmj
02-09-2013, 03:44 AM
either way.. we dont know the exact story or what is going on.

for all we know, maybe he is getting set up or maybe he is just truthfully crazy. who knows. we will never know.

tangent4ronpaul
02-09-2013, 03:46 PM
Anyone remember a guy named Eric Rudolph? He did some bombings for the "Army of God" (anti-abortion/anti-gay). Guy went on the lamb in the NC woods and evaded capture for FIVE YEARS! Entire military units as well as multiple gvmt agencies engaged in a massive manhunt for him. All the stuff they are using against this guy were used - bloodhounds, thermal imagery, etc. There was a 1 Million bounty on his head. He was an outdoors man, as is this guy. He served 2 years in the military and not in an elite unite, unlike this guy who has much more training and skills. The cops are screwed! - unless they get very lucky.

Look at how hard it was to catch Hussane(sp?) and OBL and how long it took. What about the unibomber?

What if he kills a few cops a week... and stays out there for years?
What about copy-cats?
When there are fires in an industry, there is increased absenteeism in that industry, according to insurance company reports.
Not to mention an uprising in the public - like the LA riots, due to things like paper carriers getting mowed down?
What happens when TPTB are shown to be incompetent and incapable of protecting themselves, let alone the public?

I can see a def upside to this whole fiasco...

-t

Sometimes I wonder if FOX reads these forums. They just ran a story that mentioned Rudolf and the unibomber...

maybe I should send in a resume :D

-t

Carson
02-09-2013, 03:52 PM
The women were of Latino decent, 47 yrs and 71yrs old....just wondering why you keep throwing the Asian girl up?


Maybe because they all look the same...

from the back.

noneedtoaggress
02-09-2013, 04:00 PM
With how many officers are killed in any given year there should be quite a few news stories of "Blue ALert" being activated.

NONE!! Not until this week.

So a "Blue Alert" apparently never has been used before.



From what I understand it's a more specific than a police officer getting killed, something like a threat to an entire department. In an article when I was reading about it the other day they claimed it was rare, but they've activated it like 3 times or so since it's been instituted.

mad cow
02-09-2013, 04:09 PM
This story reminds me of that one movie with Samuel Jackson, "The Negotiator".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negotiator

Cape Fear.

tangent4ronpaul
02-09-2013, 04:22 PM
From what I understand it's a more specific than a police officer getting killed, something like a threat to an entire department. In an article when I was reading about it the other day they claimed it was rare, but they've activated it like 3 times or so since it's been instituted.

Interesting...

Linkie?

when was it instituted?

-t

noneedtoaggress
02-09-2013, 04:26 PM
Interesting...

Linkie?

when was it instituted?

-t

I dunno, I saw several articles about Dorner yesterday and don't remember which one or the details. It's going to be hard to find it again. I was just relaying what I think I remember reading about it. I'm sure someone who wanted to learn more could use their GoogleFu.

tangent4ronpaul
02-09-2013, 04:30 PM
I dunno, I saw several articles about Dorner yesterday and don't remember which one or the details. It's going to be hard to find it again. I was just relaying what I think I remember reading about it. I'm sure someone who wanted to learn more could use their GoogleFu.

OK thanks for the lead. I'll google later.

-t

fr33
02-09-2013, 06:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va62UXPXxl4

For the record I don't support him. But I think the guys gunning for him are every bit as bad as he if not worse.

Anti Federalist
02-09-2013, 06:59 PM
For the record I don't support him. But I think the guys gunning for him are every bit as bad as he if not worse.

The regime will view anything short of loudly crying for Dorner's summary street-side execution, to be tacit approval and de facto "support".

Thus, it could be conceivable, that if this drags on, and the regime declares him an "enemy combatant" under NDAA, you have now just supported a "terrorist".

That is not "far fetched".

That scenario is within the "law" as it stands right now.

phill4paul
02-09-2013, 07:02 PM
The regime will view anything short of loudly crying for Dorner's summary street-side execution, to be tacit approval and de facto "support".

Thus, it could be conceivable, that if this drags on, and the regime declares him an "enemy combatant" under NDAA, you have now just supported a "terrorist".

That is not "far fetched".

That scenario is within the "law" as it stands right now.

You're damned right it is. And the wonderful thing about the so called manifesto is that an enemy combatant can be anyone. It's not just limited to sovereign rights individuals. It applies to everyone. See something. Say something.

LibForestPaul
02-09-2013, 09:10 PM
The regime will view anything short of loudly crying for Dorner's summary street-side execution, to be tacit approval and de facto "support".

Thus, it could be conceivable, that if this drags on, and the regime declares him an "enemy combatant" under NDAA, you have now just supported a "terrorist".

That is not "far fetched".

That scenario is within the "law" as it stands right now.

+1, this is it...

jonhowe
02-09-2013, 11:43 PM
Anyone remember a guy named Eric Rudolph? He did some bombings for the "Army of God" (anti-abortion/anti-gay). Guy went on the lamb in the NC woods and evaded capture for FIVE YEARS! Entire military units as well as multiple gvmt agencies engaged in a massive manhunt for him. All the stuff they are using against this guy were used - bloodhounds, thermal imagery, etc. There was a 1 Million bounty on his head. He was an outdoors man, as is this guy. He served 2 years in the military and not in an elite unite, unlike this guy who has much more training and skills. The cops are screwed! - unless they get very lucky.

Look at how hard it was to catch Hussane(sp?) and OBL and how long it took. What about the unibomber?

What if he kills a few cops a week... and stays out there for years?
What about copy-cats?
When there are fires in an industry, there is increased absenteeism in that industry, according to insurance company reports.
Not to mention an uprising in the public - like the LA riots, due to things like paper carriers getting mowed down?
What happens when TPTB are shown to be incompetent and incapable of protecting themselves, let alone the public?

I can see a def upside to this whole fiasco...

-t

But this guy's black. Cops are good at catching/shooting black guys.