If The Second Amendment Is Supposed To Prevent Tyranny, Why Hasn't It Worked?

[TywinLannister]

Got to thinking about this today. The Second Amendment is supposed to prevent tyranny right? So why have we had tyranny for decades? It didn't seem to do us much good.

[dannno]

Well we aren't in camps yet. I guess it's more of a last defense, you're supposed to use the first amendment and the voting booth first.

[Philhelm]

I would consider it to be the very last line of defense. The game ain't over yet.

P.S. Your grandson is a baseborn abomination. :D

[TywinLannister]

P.S. Your grandson is a baseborn abomination. :D

You're just butthurt that we set your entire fleet of ships on fire =P

[TywinLannister]

Another thing I have considered is that when the country was started the weapons the average person had were comparable to what the average solider had. The government has upgraded their arsenal to include machine guns, tanks, nukes etc, but the people have not been allowed to have upgraded weapons. Perhaps if people were allowed to have tanks and missile launchers 2A would be more effective?

[SpreadOfLiberty]

We are pretty free if you think about.

[Anti Federalist]

We are pretty free if you think about.

How so?

We have an illusion of freedom, but that is rapidly fading.

[SpreadOfLiberty]

How so?

We have an illusion of freedom, but that is rapidly fading.I pretty much do what I want. I am comparing us to the rest of the world.

[coastie]

Why has the Second not prevented tyranny?


Because we've never used it. /thread

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

The second amendment only granted that the populace would have the tools to do the job but it cannot make a populace want to work.

[tod evans]

We are pretty free if you think about.


By whose estimation?

[EBounding]

Like this guy says, it's there as a "doomsday provision".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hY2JR92Scmk

Fortunately, we aren't there yet.

"But the colonists fought over much less"

Maybe, but government soldiers aren't shooting groups of citizens openly in the street and quartering soldiers in people's homes. Plus people have a much more comfortable life now, which makes everyone more complacent. Fortunately, a lot of people seem to get uncomfortable when the government is openly taking away their right to own a specific firearm or ammo.

[SpreadOfLiberty]

Mine?
By whose estimation?

[Anti Federalist]

I pretty much do what I want. I am comparing us to the rest of the world.

If you get sick, can you go down to a local pharmacy and pick up effective medications relatively inexpensively, to treat yourself without entangling yourself in the medical establishment?

[Anti Federalist]

I pretty much do what I want. I am comparing us to the rest of the world.

Can you travel anywhere, without showing "your papers" or being under surveillance?

[Anti Federalist]

I pretty much do what I want. I am comparing us to the rest of the world.

Do you think you own your property, your home, your possessions, your bank account or your savings?

[Anti Federalist]

I pretty much do what I want. I am comparing us to the rest of the world.

Can you communicate with other people, by any means, and be assured your communication is not being monitored?

[NoOneButPaul]

Because it's the last defense and we haven't been pushed there yet.

But we're getting close.

Finally... it's hard to blame the 2nd amendment for tyranny when they don't even follow our own Constitution.

[dannno]

Try making a batch of hummus and selling it on the street corner.

[Anti Federalist]

I pretty much do what I want. I am comparing us to the rest of the world.

Can you freely associate with people of your choosing, and not run the risk of being marked for elimination as a "terrorist" sympathizer?

[Anti Federalist]

I pretty much do what I want. I am comparing us to the rest of the world.

Can you eat or drink or smoke what you want?

[pcosmar]

We are pretty free if you think about.

The cage has some gilding left in places.

[Ender]

Mine?

Lessee....

Do you:
Have an SSN?
Driver's License?
Marriage License?
Pay income tax?
Property tax?
Driver's insurance?
Live with zoning laws?
Go to public schools/send your kids to public schools?
Have an unlicensed dog?

Can you:
Buy raw milk?
Use natural plants for medicine?
Drive w/o insurance?
Jay walk?

[TomtheTinker]

Because we are cowards.

[tod evans]

Mine?

Your view of "freedom" is vastly different from mine...

Were you raised in the USA?

What decades have you survived?

[pcosmar]

Why Hasn't It Worked?

It hasn't been used.

or been used rarely,, not widely or consistently.

The Battle of Athens was one example of it's use.

[Philhelm]

When we can no longer bear arms, it will be time to bare arms.

[DamianTV]

Got to thinking about this today. The Second Amendment is supposed to prevent tyranny right? So why have we had tyranny for decades? It didn't seem to do us much good.

There is a difference between HAVING a Right and USING a Right.

The same thing can be said about having the Right to not Self Incriminate, which is the basis of Miranda Rights. You can still have the Right, then choose not to use it, by talking to cops without a Lawyer present. You can also have a gun and choose to not use it. And that is where our dilema has come from.

In all reality, there is only one way to take over the United States. The brute force method simply will not work. The invaders would need to come through the "back door". Which is to seize control of our monetary system, and everything else falls into place for those with the usurped power to print money, at interest.

[otherone]

Can you eat or drink or smoke what you want?

Do you have real currency, or state-provided funny money that's illegal to destroy (because you don't actually own it).

[easycougar]

In a true, unrestricted free-market, the 2nd amendment would allow any private citizen to buy any type of weapon made...bazookas, rocket launchers, tanks, or any type of weapon comparable to what's in the goverment's arsenal. This would allow a level playing field.