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presence
01-30-2013, 09:01 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-usa-alabama-shooting-idUSBRE90T02L20130130


(Reuters) - A standoff continued early on Wednesday with a gunman who boarded an Alabama school bus and fatally shot the driver before fleeing with a young child and holing up in an underground bunker, authorities said.

Dale County Coroner Woodrow Hilboldt confirmed the bus driver had been killed in the shooting Tuesday afternoon as children were being ferried home from school.
The gunman fled to a bunker on his property after the shooting, Alabama media reported. Hilboldt said it was his understanding that the child, variously identified by local media as 5 or 6 years old, was barricaded with the gunman in "some kind of a tornado bunker."
Local law enforcement gave scant details about the incident, but confirmed that one person had been killed and a child was present at the scene in Midland City.
Hilboldt said both the gunman and bus driver were in their 60s.




Law enforcement officials from multiple agencies were convened near the bunker on Wednesday as the standoff with the shooter continued overnight, said Dothan Police Sergeant Rachel David.
The shooting comes as national debate rages over gun violence, especially in schools, after a gunman shot dead 20 students and six staff members at a Connecticut elementary school last month.
Alabama media reported that the incident on Tuesday happened at approximately 4 p.m. local time when the suspect demanded the driver let a student off the bus.
When the driver refused, the man boarded the bus, then shot the driver before taking the child and fleeing the scene.




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The Gold Standard
01-30-2013, 09:27 AM
They threw the bunker into the story this time, just to make sure the sheep know that anyone with a bunker and a gun is a threat to everyone and we need the government to protect us from them. The more of these that happen the more convinced I am that the government is behind all of these shootings and they will continue until they completely disarm us.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
01-30-2013, 09:33 AM
So a tornado shelter is now a "bunker". How about that!

2young2vote
01-30-2013, 09:41 AM
They threw the bunker into the story this time, just to make sure the sheep know that anyone with a bunker and a gun is a threat to everyone and we need the government to protect us from them. The more of these that happen the more convinced I am that the government is behind all of these shootings and they will continue until they completely disarm us.

I don't think the government is behind these. However, it is more like what Ron Paul talks about for the government's actions overseas - blowback. We do things certain people don't like and it results in bad things happening. It is no different here. Government creates laws and does things that train people to behave and think a certain way and it results in negative consequences.

The Gold Standard
01-30-2013, 09:46 AM
I don't think the government is behind these. However, it is more like what Ron Paul talks about for the government's actions overseas - blowback. We do things certain people don't like and it results in bad things happening. It is no different here. Government creates laws and does things that train people to behave and think a certain way and it results in negative consequences.

What laws has the government created that would cause people to shoot innocent people? That doesn't make any sense. What does make sense is the government targeting people they know they can control (mental illnesses, etc.) and arming them and planning for them and finally getting them to follow through.

coastie
01-30-2013, 09:56 AM
The shooting comes as national debate rages over gun violence, especially in schools, after a gunman shot dead 20 students and six staff members at a Connecticut elementary school last month.

Interesting how they have to throw that in there every time a gun is fired in this country lately.

2young2vote
01-30-2013, 10:17 AM
What laws has the government created that would cause people to shoot innocent people? That doesn't make any sense. What does make sense is the government targeting people they know they can control (mental illnesses, etc.) and arming them and planning for them and finally getting them to follow through.

Any law. Anything he didn't like. Like you said, he probably had a mental illness and anything could have set him off. I don't think the government would do this because it would be too dangerous for them. There have been tons of shootings and there is absolutely no way the government could have done this without their actions leaking to the public, which they haven't.

Occam's Banana
01-30-2013, 11:11 AM
So a tornado shelter is now a "bunker". How about that!

EZ-guide to MSM newspeak - entries related to gun-involved incidents:
- any above-ground structure = "compound"
- any below-ground structure = "bunker"

shane77m
01-30-2013, 11:42 AM
EZ-guide to MSM newspeak - entries related to gun-involved incidents:
- any above-ground structure = "compound"
- any below-ground structure = "bunker"


I had to get in the bunker this morning. Stupid tornadoes.

Lucille
02-04-2013, 04:59 PM
Alabama hostage standoff ends with child safe, gunman dead
http://news.yahoo.com/alabama-town-gathers-bury-bus-driver-slain-hostage-011349756.html


The law enforcement source said a stun or flash grenade was detonated as part of the operation to free the boy, but further details were not immediately available.

So sleeping gas might agitate him, but tossing in a flash grenade is no problem. Got it.


Former hostage negotiators said authorities must be cautious and patient as long as they are confident that the boy is unharmed. Ex-FBI hostage negotiator Clint Van Zandt advised against any drastic measures such as cutting the electricity or putting sleeping gas inside the bunker because it could agitate Dykes (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?403267-How-the-hostage-situation-in-should-be-handled%28easily%29&p=4852163&viewfull=1#post4852163).

Tod
02-05-2013, 03:28 PM
I heard one news report that stated that the police were able to "see" inside the underground bunker and could tell where he and the child were and that he was holding a gun and they based their decision when to raid the bunker with the help of that information.

Later news reports did not include that tidbit about the technology involved.

presence
02-05-2013, 04:13 PM
So sleeping gas might agitate him, but tossing in a flash grenade is no problem. Got it.


The kid's lucky his ears didn't bleed. The inside was the size of a cord of firewood.