Larken Rose: Government is an Illusion

[ZENemy]

"The political process will never achieve freedom"

"Can anyone point out a time in history where voting freed a people from a tryanny?"

This is a great speech, I enjoyed it and found it empowering. I, as of lately have been trying to focus on personal solutions, personal nullification and this guy speaks to that. If you are interested in this, I recommend you watch this and more of Larken Rose if this is your first.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrKKyV6ynAs

[dannno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQB6F1NopK4

[Danke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQB6F1NopK4


Are you high?

[ZENemy]

Are you high?

I second that, I am not a fan of dubstep.

[dannno]

I second that, I am not a fan of dubstep.

Dubstep actually encompasses like a million genres. It goes from a 10 on the relax-o-meter with stuff like desert dwellers to a 10 on the Richter scale like the harder stuff from Excision, Knife Party and Skrillex. Then there's everything in between. If you don't "like it" it is because you haven't found a dj or a style of dubstep that suits you. But to dismiss the entire genre is ridiculous, especially since it is literally like the next dimension of music.

[dannno]

Are you high?

Last time I was 'sober' was long before Dec 2007.

[ZENemy]

Dubstep actually encompasses like a million genres. It goes from a 10 on the relax-o-meter with stuff like desert dwellers to a 10 on the Richter scale like the harder stuff from Excision, Knife Party and Skrillex. Then there's everything in between. If you don't "like it" it is because you haven't found a dj or a style of dubstep that suits you. But to dismiss the entire genre is ridiculous, especially since it is literally like the next dimension of music.

Wow, did you just project all that stuff onto me because I said I am NOT a fan of dubstep?

1. I am a dancer, I have been dancing for over 18 years, I am very familiar with music, and I am still NOT a fan of dubstep, I have nothing bad to say about it, I listen to music that makes ME want to dance, Dubstep does NOT do this for me, therefore I'm NOT A FAN.

2. WTF does this have to do with Larken Rose?

3. I didn't ask for an explanation as to what dubstep is, I am familiar with its history and am still not a fan.

If Dubstep does it for you, cool!! Music is subjective to your reality.

[ZENemy]

oops, double post.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

If you don't "like it" it is because you haven't found a dj or a style of dubstep that suits you.


That is true prima facie, but you could probably say that about any music genre. Can you explain why these things are connected so I don't have to watch more than 2 hours of video to guess?

[Romulus]

Govt is train, coming through the tunnel right at you... you can't get away... what do you do?

[dannno]

That is true prima facie, but you could probably say that about any music genre. Can you explain why these things are connected so I don't have to watch more than 2 hours of video to guess?

It's in the first 15 seconds.

[ZENemy]

Govt is train, coming through the tunnel right at you... you can't get away... what do you do?


I have almost no answer but, my goal so far has been to mobilize my community, locating likewise individuals and meeting in REAL life is my goal. What I do is have my friends come over, and I explain the NDAA, The patriot act and HR347. I use these bills because they are factual in nature and literally prove that the government is doing the opposite of its stated purpose.

last time, we had 34 people show up and its getting bigger every week/month.

[dannno]

Wow, did you just project all that stuff onto me because I said I am NOT a fan of dubstep?

1. I am a dancer, I have been dancing for over 18 years, I am very familiar with music, and I am still NOT a fan of dubstep, I have nothing bad to say about it, I listen to music that makes ME want to dance, Dubstep does NOT do this for me, therefore I'm NOT A FAN.

2. WTF does this have to do with Larken Rose?

3. I didn't ask for an explanation as to what dubstep is, I am familiar with its history and am still not a fan.

If Dubstep does it for you, cool!! Music is subjective to your reality.


Again, there are so many different types of dubstep you have probably only really heard a couple of different types. Have you heard desert dwellers? Probably about the most relaxing music there is. Some people dance to it, but you certainly don't have to. Do you only listen to music you like to dance to?

I just think it is ridiculous to dismiss entire genres of music. I made the mistake with country when I was younger, and one day I heard a country song I liked and I was like "well damn, I guess it was kind of stupid for me to say I don't like country all these years". So, there are still maybe only a dozen or so country songs I've ever heard that I can even really stand to listen to, and less than a half dozen that I actually kinda enjoy, but I never say I don't like country music anymore. Being collectivist about music genres is a great way of cutting yourself off from something that you might enjoy in the future.

[ZENemy]

Again, there are so many different types of dubstep you have probably only really heard a couple of different types. Have you heard desert dwellers? Probably about the most relaxing music there is. Some people dance to it, but you certainly don't have to. Do you only listen to music you like to dance to?

I just think it is ridiculous to dismiss entire genres of music. I made the mistake with country when I was younger, and one day I heard a country song I liked and I was like "well damn, I guess it was kind of stupid for me to say I don't like country all these years". So, there are still maybe only a dozen or so country songs I've ever heard that I can even really stand to listen to, and less than a half dozen that I actually kinda enjoy, but I never say I don't like country music anymore. Being collectivist about music genres is a great way of cutting yourself off from something that you might enjoy in the future.

I am still not clear why I am getting an education in dubstep when I posted Larken Rose?

For the sake of this debate:

Danno, this is exactly my problem with presumptions and projecting onto others. You might find it surprising that I agree with just about everything you said, especially the highlighted areas. First of all; I know that there are many different types of dubstep, I also know that dubstep has a certain "sound" and if it didn't, it wouldn't be dubstep would it? I too, find it annoying when others dismiss music without listening to it, I listen to many different types of music from trip hop to Metallica, all the way back down to Pink Floyd and back up again to Lil Wayne, I dont care what genre it is, if it sounds good, it sounds good. I can play led zepplins stair way to Heaven on a guitar and I can dance to any form of hip hop OK? I am not someone who would dismiss ANY music right away and I hope you were not accusing me of being a collectivist when it comes to music when you; again, know NOTHING about me or my music taste.

That being said, your country analogy is only half right, I am not a fan of country either, is that to say I have never liked ANY country song? Is that to say I hate ALL country? No, it is not, I am just not a fan, I dont go out of my way to listen to it and when I hear it, its just not that GREAT for me and my type of dancing. I listen to music for 2 reasons: To dance; and to make an emotional connection to the lyrics or subject matter. Dubstep does not answer either of these 2 things for me so again, I am not a fan, that does not mean I am dismissing it or hate it.

I like a song called tube stomper, I know that is a dubstepish song, so there is one example for you, if its not TRUE dubstep, I dont care. If I was to hear a song that changed my mind about dubstep then I will go and seek it out, learn its ins and outs, as it is right now, I don't have the time or energy for anything like that.

Peace my friend.

[mac_hine]

Again, there are so many different types of dubstep you have probably only really heard a couple of different types. Have you heard desert dwellers? Probably about the most relaxing music there is. Some people dance to it, but you certainly don't have to. Do you only listen to music you like to dance to?

I just think it is ridiculous to dismiss entire genres of music. I made the mistake with country when I was younger, and one day I heard a country song I liked and I was like "well damn, I guess it was kind of stupid for me to say I don't like country all these years". So, there are still maybe only a dozen or so country songs I've ever heard that I can even really stand to listen to, and less than a half dozen that I actually kinda enjoy, but I never say I don't like country music anymore. Being collectivist about music genres is a great way of cutting yourself off from something that you might enjoy in the future.

I've tried getting into dubstep. Some of the more mellow stuff is ok, but otherwise I find it grating.

I've always been a huge fan of electronic music going all the way back to Kraftwerk, and later to Air, Nightmares on Wax, and currently groups like Bonobo.

I just came across this track recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCdGwViVMM&list=FLHNfE2CQobRx-aV_zI2tl8g&index=13
Shit gets real @1:29

I don't mean to derail the thread btw. :D

[mac_hine]

I'm looking forward to listening to this later while cooking dinner. I've been following Larken's work for some time now. It's nearly impossible to find any flaws in his line of reasoning.

That's the thing with Voluntarism/Anarchism... If you follow the philosophy of liberty to it's logical conclusion, you arrive at Anarchy.

Have you ever watched this video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bCz9gcvMfk

[ZENemy]

I'm looking forward to listening to this later while cooking dinner. I've been following Larken's work for some time now. It's nearly impossible to find any flaws in his line of reasoning.

That's the thing with Voluntarism/Anarchism... If you follow the philosophy of liberty to it's logical conclusion, you arrive at Anarchy.

Have you ever watched this video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bCz9gcvMfk

I have not but I will now! Thanks for the link.

[Seraphim]

Utilize any means necessary to derail the train.

If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna make damn sure the future innocent benefit from it.

Derail the god damn train.


Govt is train, coming through the tunnel right at you... you can't get away... what do you do?

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

That's the thing with Voluntarism/Anarchism... If you follow the philosophy of liberty to it's logical conclusion, you arrive at Anarchy.


While I think I agree, I'm also more than willing to work with minarchists to move in a proper direction. The minarchists might agree to part ways at some point, but the socialist hierarchy will never do so.

[AlexAmore]

It clarifies some things for me about anarchism, mainly how it would maintain. I've always thought in an anarchist state there would always be liberals who would congregate, create a state and conquer everyone else. I guess his solution is banking hard on the idea that a tyrannical government crashing hard will change people's view towards ultimate freedom in a positive direction. Whereas the minarchist solution is to work within the government to minimize it and never let the hardcore tyranny begin.

It's tough because we really don't have many examples from history showing us which direction is best. We mostly see tyrannical governments one day and another tyrannical government the next. This doesn't bode well with the anarchist solution. On the other hand America comes along and in many ways it's great, but of course that erodes terribly and people are brainwashed into believing in authority as well. So that doesn't bode well for the minarchist solution. I think we see that there will always be a pattern of freedom, tyranny, and revolution over and over again.

[american.swan]

Are you high?LOL.... LOL.....