Police Chief: We Can Disarm Americans Within A Generation

[green73]

San Diego Police Chief, William Lansdowne said in an interview that the implementation of new gun laws will take guns off the streets of America within a generation.

According to San Diego 6, Lansdowne said that it may take a generation but guns will eventually be taken off the streets through new laws like Senator Dianne Feinstein's proposed assault weapons ban:

"Chief Lansdowne, who plays an active role in the western region of the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) association, said it may take a generation but guns will eventually be taken off the streets through new laws like Senator Diane Feinstein's proposed assault weapons ban legislation. Some of the items his organization is addressing include; a ban on assault weapons, restricting high-capacity magazines, closing loopholes that allow firearm sales between private owners without background checks, and implementing much stricter background checks by using a comprehensive database."

Lansdowne called for tougher gun laws in an interview with KPBS, and praised President Obama for his initiative on gun control.

"I could not be more supportive of the president for taking the position he has," he said.

"I think it's courageous with the politics involved in this process. But I think it's going to eventually make the country safer and certainly safer for my officers that have to respond to these calls."

Lansdowne believes that the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut weakened the gun lobby's power and has opened the door for new gun control legislation.

"We broke the NRA," Lansdowne said off-camera.

Lansdowne's position on gun control appears to be in the minority among sheriffs across the nation, however.

As CNSNews.com previously reported, sheriffs from Florida to California have stated publicly that they will not comply with any new gun control measures proposed by the federal government.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/police-chief-within-generation-guns-will-be-taken-streets

[jbauer]

So when he says: "We broke the NRA," Who is the "we" in that conversation? I thought it was one nutbar kid.

[LibertyEagle]

Well, it's true that the NRA is broken.

[DamianTV]

Well, it's true that the NRA is broken.

I believe our way of thinking is broken.

Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing and expecting completely different results. The laws that are usually proposed further restrict the law abiding citizen, but, honestly, when was the last time you heard a criminal that tried to do a background check on another criminal when buying / selling a gun?

[tod evans]

Pay attention!

Look what cops and the media have done to "drugs".............To cigarettes (and moving toward all tobacco products).......

Heck look at how in less than 30 years having a few belts at the pub before going home has been demonized........... Even on RPF more than half the folks will argue to lock a person up for having a couple of drinks before going home..

This cop knows what he's talking about! The propaganda arm of government has already started pushing their agenda, the legislators will pass a few laws........then a few more..........The populace will be continually barraged with anti-gun rhetoric and before you can say "Jack's your uncle" your grandkids will be instructed to rat you out for your own good...

[Origanalist]

^^^^^^^

Listen to the man.

[LibForestPaul]

30 years...seems rather long...

[tod evans]

30 years...seems rather long...


In 1982 I would stop at my local gin-mill every night after work before going home.........Never a ticket, not even a sideways glance from a cop unless I'd uncorked my drag pipes....

Never a breathalyzer, never a "check-point"..........

Now look around............And then try to convince me how we're all better off..

[Origanalist]

In 1982 I would stop at my local gin-mill every night after work before going home.........Never a ticket, not even a sideways glance from a cop unless I'd uncorked my drag pipes....

Never a breathalyzer, never a "check-point"..........

Now look around............And then try to convince me how we're all better off..

You didn't really NEED that drink Tod.

[tod evans]

You didn't really NEED that drink Tod.


That's the beauty of being a free man..........

I earned my money and I chose to spend it (lots of it in '82) at the gin-mill...

Now-a-days if I didn't get nabbed by the constabulary my family would hawk the propaganda fed to them by media and "our-government"....

[Origanalist]

That's the beauty of being a free man..........

I earned my money and I chose to spend it (lots of it in '82) at the gin-mill...

Now-a-days if I didn't get nabbed by the constabulary my family would hawk the propaganda fed to them by media and "our-government"....

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it?

(and in 82? ya, me too:D)

[tod evans]

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it?


It did...................................Now I'm old and pissed:mad:

[Danke]

New law says you can't transfer your existing arms. So when I die, no one can inherit?

[tod evans]

New law says you can't transfer your existing arms. So when I die, no one can inherit?

What arms?

[Origanalist]

It did...................................Now I'm old and pissed:mad:

Manopause....:rolleyes:

[Danke]

What arms?

The ones you'll have to register. :p

[tod evans]

Manopause....:rolleyes:

Grey beard, 5" part, chest fell into my drawers.......................But I can still out work most 20 year old on a jobsite...

[TheTexan]

All the gun grabbers that aren't in politics: We want all of your guns
All the gun grabbers that are in politics: We only want some of your guns, because we respect the 2nd amendment!


Funny how that fucking works, huh.

[TheTexan]

"I think it's courageous with the politics involved in this process. But I think it's going to eventually make the country safer and certainly safer for my officers that have to respond to these calls."

Officer Safety™

[Origanalist]

Grey beard, 5" part, chest fell into my drawers.......................But I can still out work most 20 year old on a jobsite...

And they hate it. :D

[Anti Federalist]

Pay attention!

Look what cops and the media have done to "drugs".............To cigarettes (and moving toward all tobacco products).......

Heck look at how in less than 30 years having a few belts at the pub before going home has been demonized........... Even on RPF more than half the folks will argue to lock a person up for having a couple of drinks before going home..

This cop knows what he's talking about! The propaganda arm of government has already started pushing their agenda, the legislators will pass a few laws........then a few more..........The populace will be continually barraged with anti-gun rhetoric and before you can say "Jack's your uncle" your grandkids will be instructed to rat you out for your own good...

Yes, listen to this man. ^^^^^

Us old folks are here to tell you, what that cop said is 100% correct WRT disarming the American People within a generation.

It could be done very easily.

[Anti Federalist]

In 1982 I would stop at my local gin-mill every night after work before going home.........Never a ticket, not even a sideways glance from a cop unless I'd uncorked my drag pipes....

Never a breathalyzer, never a "check-point"..........

Now look around............And then try to convince me how we're all better off..

I weep for what my children will have to live in and through.

[coastie]

I weep for what my children will have to live in and through.

Start teaching them to survive it. I have.;)

[Origanalist]

Start teaching them to survive it. I have.;)

+ rep for that, mine probably have more skills than me now. :)

[Anti Federalist]

Gun Sales In 2012 Set Record, FBI Data Indicates

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/gun-sales-2012_n_2303513.html

2012 was the safest year for cops in over thirty years

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2012

And that is even more impressive when you consider how many more cops there are now. These are raw numbers, not per-capita.

126 for the entire year.

And most of those were accidental.

[coastie]

+ rep for that, mine probably have more skills than me now. :)


This is a very good thing. I long ago got the notion out of my head that anything is really going to change for the better, if anything, we may slow it down, but the outcome is inevitable, at this point. Watch Adam Kokesh's last two videos he did, the man on the street types. We're fucked, it's like that everywhere in this country.


The thing to focus on now, is resisting, and teaching whatever representatives of the next generation are how to resist, and why. I figure we may as well start it now, it's gonna be real difficult to do so in the near future.

[Zippyjuan]

It did...................................Now I'm old and pissed:mad:

In Britain, pissed means drunk.

There is another thread on this topic where I showed the Sheriff was refering to assault weapons off the streets in a generation- not all guns.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?402735-San-Diego-Police-Chief-We-Can-Disarm-Americans-Within-a-Generation

[Anti Federalist]

Start teaching them to survive it. I have.;)

I do, all the time.

Point is, they should not have to inherit a prison planet.

And it's my fault.

Thus, the lachrymosity.

[tod evans]

In Britain, pissed means drunk.



I've got limey blood a few generations back but I'm a dyed in the wool hillbilly....

[Anti Federalist]

In Britain, pissed means drunk.

There is another thread on this topic where I showed the Sheriff was refering to assault weapons off the streets in a generation- not all guns.

OK so then so-called assault weapons will be banned in the first generation and the rest in the next.

40 years instead of 20.

Your point is...what?

[coastie]

I do, all the time.

Point is, they should have to inherit a prison planet.

And it's my fault.

Thus, the lachrymosity.

I hear ya, but at least you're giving them something back, the skills, and I'm sure, the reasoning of why they must resist, and keep these tyrants on their toes...


I really hope it isn't after they win a firefight with these goons when they say, "You know, dad was right". I'm doing whatever I can now to plant the seeds in these young minds today that freedom is the answer, at all costs. It is up to us to continue to water and fertilize those seeds so they sprout into trees of liberty.

[TheTexan]

I hear ya, but at least you're giving them something back, the skills, and I'm sure, the reasoning of why they must resist, and keep these tyrants on their toes...


I really hope it isn't after they win a firefight with these goons when they say, "You know, dad was right". I'm doing whatever I can now to plant the seeds in these young minds today that freedom is the answer, at all costs. It is up to us to continue to water and fertilize those seeds so they sprout into trees of liberty.

Not to be a dick, but the time to take a stand isn't 20-40 years from now when they have disarmed us... it is now.

You and I and everybody else here are basically the last chance for freedom... possibly in the history of mankind. If we lose our guns, the globalists will take over, the entire world's citizen-mundane population will be disarmed, and in all likelihood, the states will nuke each other and this planet and humanity into oblivion before freedom has another chance to take hold.

This is it...

[Anti Federalist]

Not to be a dick, but the time to take a stand isn't 20-40 years from now when they have disarmed us... it is now.

You and I and everybody else here are basically the last chance for freedom... possibly in the history of mankind. If we lose our guns, the globalists will take over, the entire world's citizen-mundane population will be disarmed, and in all likelihood, the states will nuke each other and this planet and humanity into oblivion before freedom has another chance to take hold.

This is it...

I concur.

[Zippyjuan]

OK so then so-called assault weapons will be banned in the first generation and the rest in the next.

40 years instead of 20.

Your point is...what?

That some are mis-representing it as taking all guns from everybody in a generation as the headline of the thread claims.



Police Chief: We Can Disarm Americans Within A Generation

The actual statement: http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/White-House-Congress-Create-Gun-Buying-Frenzy-After-Newtown-187115371.html


San Diego City’s top cop focused on grandfathering a law provision contained in Senator Feinstein’s legislation that would allow current lawful firearms owners to keep their assault weapons, but said that firearms would be destroyed upon the owner’s death and the new law would no longer allow such firearms to be passed down to heirs and relatives.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Appears Lansdowne has other problems, I presume he needs the Assault Weapons Ban the public crisis as a diversion from the spotlight on his own faults/failures.

Police Chief Bill Lansdowne
http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/scott-lewis/article_20a8dd0c-4165-11e1-83fe-0019bb2963f4.html


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The Thin Blue Line


The San Diego Police Department has faced unimaginable tragedy over the last year. Horrific officer deaths and scandals have forced Chief William Lansdowne to reconsider retiring.


The Pressure


At the same time, at least one mayoral candidate has pledged to eliminate guaranteed pensions for police officers. And two are not sure that they would keep Lansdowne if voters elect them mayor.


The Rub


We give police officers tremendous responsibilities and powers. If they sense a sufficient threat, they can detain someone or even kill them. That's why abuse of these powers is so frightening.


Watch for these stories in 2012:


• What will the city do to regain trust in police and strengthen oversight?

• Will Chief Lansdowne remain on the job?

• Will new police officers keep getting pensions?

We must demand excellence from this most important function of city government. How will we get it, though?


This is a series of 12 stories to follow in 2012. No. 12: The Chargers (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/opinion/slop/article_abef4e14-364d-11e1-915f-001871e3ce6c.html); No. 11: The Convention Center (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/opinion/slop/article_0720df8c-3b1c-11e1-93f1-0019bb2963f4.html); and No. 10: The city of San Diego's financial problems (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/opinion/slop/article_a9d8e9aa-3e31-11e1-b522-001871e3ce6c.html).

On Friday, as the first mayoral debate to feature all four major candidates (http://storify.com/lincolnclub/san-diego-mayoral-debate) was coming to an end, I snuck in one simple question: Would they keep San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne?
Mayor Jerry Sanders' spokeswoman, Rachel Laing, considered it an "inappropriate question (https://twitter.com/#%21/RachelLaing/status/158007451663339521)" but I thought it was pretty reasonable. And trust me, I know when I've said something inappropriate. I only wish I could know it before I say it.
One of the most important responsibilities and privileges a mayor has is to appoint the police and fire chiefs.

Both Congressman Bob Filner and District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis answered unequivocally "yes." They would keep Lansdowne. But City Councilman Carl DeMaio and Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, who has the support of the police officers union (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_96f52d62-fabb-11e0-82d5-001cc4c002e0.html), both said they'd wait and see.
See? Interesting, right? Two of them want to protect their flexibility to make a major change. Two of them want to keep a steady hand on top of the most important service the city provides during one of its most trying times in the city's history.
The San Diego Police Department has faced unimaginable tragedy over the last year. One officer, who served three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was gunned down randomly (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Officers-Marines-Mourn-Officer-Jeremy-Henwood.html) in an act of horrifying violence in City Heights. Just days before, an officer committed suicide (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Death-Reported-at-Home-of-San-Diego-Police-Officer--126531193.html). Just weeks before that, the son of a longtime and beloved detective allegedly killed her and her daughter (http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/jul/28/funeral-set-san-diego-police-detective-allegedly-k/).

Another officer died trying to help (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Multi-Vehicle-Accident-Closes-SB-I-15-130907248.html) accident victims on I-15.
I wish I could say it stopped there. It did not. Another officer died riding his motorcycle off duty (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-Police-Officer-Killed-in-Motorcycle-Crash-128379213.html). Finally, though it wasn't last year, the department is still reeling from the shooting death of Officer Christopher Wilson in late 2010.
The city deserves great credit for keeping the Police Department together and responsive during such an awful string of tragedies. Has any single organization in the region — besides the Marines — suffered so many blows?
No, because then there was scandal. The chief acknowledged an "unprecedented spike (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/data-drive/article_fcf307b0-7b68-11e0-b5d6-001cc4c03286.html)" in police misconduct allegations. Last summer, the department was investigating 11 cases that included accusations of felony drunk driving, domestic violence, excessive force and on-duty rape.
That included the mother of all the scandals: Officer Anthony Arevalos (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/data-drive/article_32ff231e-2778-11e1-aeef-001871e3ce6c.html) was convicted of soliciting sexual bribes from five women during downtown traffic stops.

If you haven't taken a few minutes to read Keegan Kyle's excellent summation of that case, please do (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/data-drive/article_32ff231e-2778-11e1-aeef-001871e3ce6c.html). It's worth it.
Why focus so much on that case?

Well, there's a reason they make terrifying suspense movies about police officers going rogue. Few things are as scary.
We give police officers tremendous powers and responsibilities. They can detain us. They can even kill us if they decide we're threatening them or someone else. We've decided we can trust them with these powers but only if we hold them accountable.
I can't imagine the fear a young woman feels if an officer threatens her. Imagine if that were your wife, sister or daughter. And then imagine that it happened, she complained and the department left the officer on duty, only to see other victims suffer the same fate.
That's what happened and — whoever's fault it was — it's unacceptable.

What is the department going to do to make sure it doesn't happen again? The answer should be a major plank of any mayoral candidate's platform.
It's at least as important as debating police officer pay and benefits. Yet that's too often what passes as civic discussion about public safety these days.
Now the question has become very simple: Should we offer police guaranteed retirement income, when their shifts end?
The mayor and City Councilman Kevin Faulconer persuaded their colleague, DeMaio, to keep pensions intact for new police officers as they raced to eliminate them completely for every other new employee the city hires, even firefighters. DeMaio later claimed police would soon face the same reform (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_d57a18ca-6512-11e0-9d7c-001cc4c03286.html).
Dumanis, who endorsed the plan that emerged, deployed her most passionate rhetoric at Friday's debate in service of the police officers and their pensions.
It would be devastating and we would be left with "security guards" for police if we eliminate pensions in San Diego, Dumanis said. That might be a stretch.

But the underlying fear isn't. Again, think of the powers and responsibilities we entrust with police. Not only can they deprive us of life and freedom if they decide it's necessary, but when someone falls off of a building or when someone is taking their last bloody breaths, it's often the police who arrive there first
.
They are on the front lines between civilization and chaos: They regularly confront the most disgusting, unethical and violent elements of our society. This proximity to corruption and vice can lead some cops to embrace it, to collaborate with it and to become corrupt themselves.
That's what separates societies that function from those that don't: Are they able to keep this from happening? Do their public servants act in the public interest? Getting shook down for a bribe is a way of life for much of the world's population. We only need look a few miles south to Tijuana to understand how important it is to be able to trust our police.

The last thing we need is a population of disgruntled, stressed and unimpressive individuals serving this important role.
To avoid that, we need to recruit the best and most trustworthy individuals to be police officers. We need to reward them for performance and be free to dismiss mediocre officers. We need to relentlessly hold them accountable. They must constantly be demonstrating to us they're using proven techniques to not only catch criminals but deter crime. They must prove they have superior systems for rooting out corruption and misconduct.
Police services are the most important ones the city provides. Not coincidentally, they take up the most room in the city's day-to-day budget.
This year, watch these storylines as the city spends that money:

• Will Chief Lansdowne stay? It's not unimaginable that DeMaio and Fletcher will move on to the final election after June's primary. Lansdowne had considered retiring (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/data-drive/article_8d95a48a-93b0-11e0-9858-001cc4c002e0.html) but walked back from that as controversy brewed. He clearly is determined to set things right in the department before leaving.
• Staffing and patrols: The Police Officers Association regularly decries the staffing figures for SDPD. Even budgeted positions remain unfilled. At the same time, residents and businesses are finding that if they want services like bike patrols they have to raise money as though public safety were a charitable cause. Even a precinct had to turn to the generosity of donors to repair damage from flooding. Will resources ever support infrastructure and personnel improvements?
• Oversight: Lansdowne changed internal oversight systems (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/data-drive/article_3877ca88-7dca-11e0-be8a-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story) to keep police officers in line. Will any new announcements occur this year? Will mayoral candidates offer up suggestions of their own?
• Will they cut off police pensions? Will DeMaio and others continue to work (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/government/thehall/article_d57a18ca-6512-11e0-9d7c-001cc4c03286.html) to put new police officers onto 401(k) plans like all other new employees?
At Friday's debate, DeMaio seemed to step back a bit from the pledge to do this. When asked, he said that the pension reform initiative on the ballot only gives them the opportunity to make this change.
The question is, will they take it?
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[tod evans]

That some are mis-representing it as taking all guns from everybody in a generation as the headline of the thread claims.

Certainly not I...........

I pointed out governments modus operandi when it moves to eliminate "something" be it drugs, tobacco, alcohol or guns......They're not always successful, just look around...

But inroads are made, ground gained....Just look at some of the opinions expressed on these forums..

[Origanalist]

That some are mis-representing it as taking all guns from everybody in a generation as the headline of the thread claims.




The actual statement: http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/White-House-Congress-Create-Gun-Buying-Frenzy-After-Newtown-187115371.html

Umm, isn't that pretty much the same thing?

[Zippyjuan]

Umm, isn't that pretty much the same thing?
Only if all guns are classified as "assault weapons" under the Feinstein proposal which they aren't.

[Origanalist]

Only if all guns are classified as "assault weapons" under the Feinstein proposal which they aren't.

Ah, you're right. But I'm of the opinion that would come along quick enough. It's just how they operate, in stages.

[Acala]

Hey, something just came to me. The police chiefs can disarm the people in a generation. The people can disarm the police chiefs tomorrow. If we feel like. Probably best not to make us feel like it.

[bolil]

Yup, "transfer".

[Origanalist]

Hey, something just came to me. The police chiefs can disarm the people in a generation. The people can disarm the police chiefs tomorrow. If we feel like. Probably best not to make us feel like it.

If only everybody understood that this wouldn't even be being discussed.

[bolil]

Only if all guns are classified as "assault weapons" under the Feinstein proposal which they aren't.

Yes, but her proposal would allow them to perfect the method... besides I see no where in her proposal that guns cannot be added to the list.

[Pericles]

Hey, something just came to me. The police chiefs can disarm the people in a generation. The people can disarm the police chiefs tomorrow. If we feel like. Probably best not to make us feel like it.

Once I give the command "Ground your arms and surrender." there is no turning back

[tod evans]

Once I give the command "Ground your arms and surrender." there is no turning back

The man who gives that command deserves to have every remaining weapon turned on him...

[seraphson]

Yep! Just like how drugs are off the stree...oh wait...
Yep! Just like how poverty is now go...oh wait...
Yep! Just like how all the "liberated" nations in the east are safe and sou...oh wait...

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

[Romulus]

Thus, the lachrymosity.

You made me look up lachrymosity.

[Romulus]

We must "brainwash"..against guns........ Eric Holder

[osan]

+ rep for that, mine probably have more skills than me now. :)


This is as it should be. Each successive generation should be smarter and more capable, not more stoopid and helpless. The latter bit is exactly what these low lives want. Deny it to them. Defy to your children every stupid lie taught them in the schools if you cannot take them out and teach them yourself.

Time is here and now. We are in it, hip deep and heading for the eyeballs. They are making their moves and each and every one of us is now faced with choosing what sort of person we really are and what kind of world we want to live in, not to mention what our children's children's children will inherit.

These vermin not only need to be exposed, but ousted and perhaps even killed off, though the killing part will not solve the problem save perhaps to break some dynastic lines. Such lines can always be rebuilt. What we need is the adoption of new intolerance to trespass and the disrespect of human rights. We need to be educated in the basics of proper human relations even before we learn to read and write. Nothing else that we learn means a damn without the basics in place.

What value that PhD in physics if you know nothing of your neighbor's right to autodiathesis, so much more your own? Our priorities are hella screwed up and if we do not get them straightened out there is no use in fighting the tyrants. In that case, lay down and leave them have their ways.

Basics are looked upon as boring and unexciting, but they pave the way for all the good stuff.

[Henry Rogue]

Pay attention!

Look what cops and the media have done to "drugs".............To cigarettes (and moving toward all tobacco products).......

Heck look at how in less than 30 years having a few belts at the pub before going home has been demonized........... Even on RPF more than half the folks will argue to lock a person up for having a couple of drinks before going home..

This cop knows what he's talking about! The propaganda arm of government has already started pushing their agenda, the legislators will pass a few laws........then a few more..........The populace will be continually barraged with anti-gun rhetoric and before you can say "Jack's your uncle" your grandkids will be instructed to rat you out for your own good... Don't forget the war on SUVs. When that went down, seemed like everyone I new started trading that "Pariah" for a pickup, smaller SUV or minivan. A war on Guns. Tax money used for a nation wide propaganda campaign. More laws to come, the ones proposed now wont be the last. Undercover cops trying to entice you to sell your guns to him without a back ground check. School kids programed to snitch on their folks. Many more murdered in no knock raids. Many more locked up in already full prisons. The people who want to do this are already in power. Our future in America does not look bright.

[osan]

And we can arrest, charge, try, convict, sentence, and publicly execute police chiefs who act traitorously.

That knife cuts both ways, chief asshole.

[tod evans]

And we can arrest, charge, try, convict, sentence, and publicly execute police chiefs who act traitorously.

That knife cuts both ways, chief asshole.

There needs to be a new and improved actual justice system, the "Just-Us" system is broken to the point of being unrepairable.

A system that doesn't require lawyers and cronyism, one based on the constitution and good ol' common sense...

How to go about setting up such a system where citizens can charge and convict public officials?

[jkr]

Josh Tolley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azHs0TFJIjI&list=UUA5hOHgxCuXdQsg99Yd7HFw&index=1
GUN GRABBER Frankenstien, wolf in sheep's clothing and the REAL problem that they not only WONT talk about, in fact they take the diametrically opposed stance on the right to defend oneself

this is a good one, gets REAL interesting half way through.

anyone involved in this "debate" should listen to it twice!

[TheTexan]

There needs to be a new and improved actual justice system, the "Just-Us" system is broken to the point of being unrepairable.

A system that doesn't require lawyers and cronyism, one based on the constitution and good ol' common sense...

How to go about setting up such a system where citizens can charge and convict public officials?

What's that movie where people were kidnapped and then tried on a streaming internet channel

[tod evans]

What's that movie where people were kidnapped and then tried on a streaming internet channel

Never seen it....

My thoughts run to mirroring the current "Just-Us" system, because it's actually pretty well thought out, with the only stipulation being that everyone involved from the judge to the person prosecuting could have absolutely no affiliation with any branch of the current system..

No lawyers/no law clerks/ no cops/ etc....

I could see normal folks doing well if they were given a chance............Besides, who better to try out the revised system on than those who screwed up the last one?

[osan]

Only if all guns are classified as "assault weapons" under the Feinstein proposal which they aren't.

You seem to miss the fundamental point: once the precedent is set, the underlying notion becomes credible. From that point on ANYTHING is possible in principle and that is the way in which we become lost.

Gun control in ANY form or degree must be assassinated in toto in the minds of the broad majority of Americans or the threat of disarmament will remain as a sword over our heads.

[cjm]

Never seen it....

My thoughts run to mirroring the current "Just-Us" system, because it's actually pretty well thought out, with the only stipulation being that everyone involved from the judge to the person prosecuting could have absolutely no affiliation with any branch of the current system..

No lawyers/no law clerks/ no cops/ etc....

I could see normal folks doing well if they were given a chance............Besides, who better to try out the revised system on than those who screwed up the last one?

This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it looks pretty good to me: http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm h/t to pcosmar for posting on another thread or two.


Police work is often lionized by jurists and scholars who claim to employ "textualist" and "originalist" methods of constitutional interpretation. Yet professional police were unknown to the United States in 1789, and first appeared in America almost a half-century after the Constitution's ratification. The Framers contemplated law enforcement as the duty of mostly private citizens, along with a few constables and sheriffs who could be called upon when necessary. This article marshals extensive historical and legal evidence to show that modern policing is in many ways inconsistent with the original intent of America's founding documents. The author argues that the growth of modern policing has substantially empowered the state in a way the Framers would regard as abhorrent to their foremost principles....

[Romulus]

Josh Tolley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azHs0TFJIjI&list=UUA5hOHgxCuXdQsg99Yd7HFw&index=1
GUN GRABBER Frankenstien, wolf in sheep's clothing and the REAL problem that they not only WONT talk about, in fact they take the diametrically opposed stance on the right to defend oneself

this is a good one, gets REAL interesting half way through.

anyone involved in this "debate" should listen to it twice!

That is pretty good... except where his voice sounds like that who must not be named.. aka Beck.

But Josh is absolutely on point there.

[cjm]

That is pretty good... except where his voice sounds like that who must not be named.. aka Beck.

But Josh is absolutely on point there.

"Domino's gets the house correct more than law enforcement" I wish I could laugh.

[Romulus]

Only if all guns are classified as "assault weapons" under the Feinstein proposal which they aren't.

Wow, you could be the only one here to rationalize this. Sorry but -rep.

[Pericles]

The man who gives that command deserves to have every remaining weapon turned on him...

Just to clear up any misunderstanding:

1. I won't give any order that my "gun club" is not going to obey.
2. That order has been given to give the opportunity to end the situation without us having to go through the inconvenience of shooting people who are already at such a tactical disadvantage, that any resistance will result in what Rome did to Carthage after the Third Punic war.

[Tax the Fed]

Yes, listen to this man. ^^^^^

Us old folks are here to tell you, what that cop said is 100% correct WRT disarming the American People within a generation.

It could be done very easily.

If it does happen then it truly is the end of these United States of America -
those draped in the flag (and carrying a cross) dismantled the USA, who woulda thought, huh?

[tod evans]

If it does happen then it truly is the end of these United States of America -
those draped in the flag (and carrying a cross) dismantled the USA, who woulda thought, huh?

You're watching it happen right now..

Every day another "Newz" story about gun violence..

Every day another "Newz" story about proposed legislation..

Watch the video posted yesterday from upstate NY about the public servant trying to do a Q&A for the most recent laws..

It doesn't have a damn thing to do with flags or crosses, it has to do with public servants not being held accountable to anyone but governments propaganda arm........"The-Newz".....

[cjm]

The thing to focus on now, is resisting, and teaching whatever representatives of the next generation are how to resist, and why. I figure we may as well start it now, it's gonna be real difficult to do so in the near future.

The other day, my 3rd grader got a school assignment to describe the federal legislative branch and he asked me what they do. I looked over at my wife and she communicated to me through eye contact alone that it was not the right time for a rant, that I should be true to myself but help him produce something acceptable by conventional standards (spouses have this power of communication sometimes). Ignoring the actual question ("what do they do?"), I turned back and I answered, "The legislative branch is only allowed to do the things listed in article 1, section 8, of the US Constitution." I doubt I would have answered that way pre-2008, but that was then and this is now. Pre-2008 I probably would have given the "I'm just a bill" Schoolhouse Rock summary of what the legislative branch does. Long story short, I certainly didn't do the homework myself, but we agreed that it would be a good idea to footnote the assignment with references to the various sections of the Constitution. The report I got back was that he was the only one who mentioned the US Constitution in his report on the federal legislative branch. Go figure.

I wonder if 2013 is the year I help organize a U10 rifle team for the neighborhood?

[Occam's Banana]

The report I got back was that he was the only one who mentioned the US Constitution in his report on the federal legislative branch. Go figure.

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