DO NOT FLY: the FedCoats May Be Planning a Massacre at TSA Checkpoint Lines

[Anti Federalist]

God, just what I needed right now.

I swear, there is no place I feel more naked and exposed than shuffling along with the sheeple, disarmed and all bunched up together awaiting our gate rape and humiliation, and, besides me, not a fucking single one of them even bothering to "check six".


Do Not Fly: the Feds May Be Planning a Massacre at Checkpoint Lines

Posted by Becky Akers on January 26, 2013 07:23 AM

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=23

I'm not certain whether The Washington Times considers itself mainstream media, and, if it does, whether anyone else agrees. But it contains a lengthy warning that the Fedcoats may be plotting a "mass shooting" at one of the TSA's checkpoints, a la Newtown or the movie-theater in Colorado.

Why would Our Rulers murder more of us? Because another massacre "would likely lead to even more calls for gun control measures, as well as discussions of arming TSA workers..."

The writer bases his story on a report from a "TSA source" who says he and his fellow gropers "are being instructed to 'save themselves' instead of attempting to protect passengers." Good: those inept bozos scrambling to escape rather than pestering passengers gives the latter the best chance of surviving. "It is unclear whether the TSA is conducting this training at airports around the nation or only at the airport where the source, a veteran of the agency, is assigned. Expressing fear bordering on extreme distress, the TSA source claims that his life, along with the lives of other unarmed TSA personnel, would be in grave danger were an airport checkpoint shooting to unfold." Yeah, what a pity to take out Thieves and Sexual Assailants when perfectly good passengers are milling about.

Of course, this is the scenario that many genuine experts in security -- as opposed to the charlatans at the TSA -- have predicted for years: that bad guys will attack the hundreds of people whom the TSA delays in long, vulnerable lines. And it is yet another proof that the agency actually endangers, rather than protects, passengers; politician of even minimal decency and concern for their constituents would abolish the TSA rather than annually stealing our money to finance its depredations on us.

At any rate, if gate-rape and games of sexual humiliation and dominance at the government's checkpoints are not enough to keep you from flying, perhaps the suspicion that the serial killers in office hope to slaughter yet more innocents will.

[Anti Federalist]

Homeland Security training TSA workers to save themselves in shooting

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/freedom-press-not-free/2013/jan/26/homeland-security-training-tsa-workers-save-themse/

ASHINGTON, January 26, 2012 ― Transportation Security Administration (TSA) checkpoint screeners are receiving training to prepare them for the possibility of a mass shooting at one of the agency’s airport checkpoints, and those TSA personnel are being instructed to “save themselves” should a shooting occur.

It is unclear whether the TSA is conducting the reported mass shooting scenario training at airports around the nation or only at the airport where our source, a veteran of the TSA, is assigned. The TSA source claims with obvious concern that his own life, along with the lives of other unarmed TSA personnel, would be in grave danger were an airport checkpoint shooting to unfold.

The TSA screener, who claims to have recently undergone agency training during which TSA personnel were confronted with a chilling checkpoint shooting scenario, now tries to remain aware of how to get out alive were such a shooting to unfold.

“Every day when I arrive for work, I look for an escape route in case someone opens fire,” said the TSA worker. “We have been told to save ourselves.”

Does the TSA already have intelligence about a possible future checkpoint shooting?

It is unclear whether the alleged training is simply a prudent attempt by the agency to protect its own employees from every imaginable contingency. Fears are that the Department of Homeland Security has detected a threat and is already moving to prepare staff to either handle it or get out of the way.

Considering the full range of possible reasons for the alleged TSA training, it would be hard to say whether the agency actually expects a checkpoint shooting.

The events surrounding the Christmas Day 2009 “underwear bomber” incident, however, provide reason to pay close attention to the details of Homeland Security’s operations.

Shortly after the “underwear bomber” attempted to detonate an explosive device onboard Northwest Airlines flight 253, an Airbus A330 flying into Detroit from Amsterdam, a witness who saw the bomber board the flight approached the FBI with information about the events that day. His information suggests that the U.S. Government knew that 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was a threat to air safety, and that it may even have taken steps to assure that the bomber actually got on board the flight.

Michigan attorney Kurt Haskell, a 2012 Democratic Congressional candidate who lost to incumbent Tim Walberg (R-MI), stated by way of a Victim Impact Statement during Abdulmutallab’s sentencing hearing in federal court that while he and his wife Lori waited to board the flight in Amsterdam, he observed a well-dressed man help the bomber board the flight without a passport.

CNN Video: Kurt and Lori Haskell Interview

Haskell is convinced that “a federal agent gave Abdulmutallab a defective bomb to carry onto the plane to create an incident that would cause the government to install full body scanners at airports nationwide,” according to USAToday.

"Regardless of how media and government try to shape this case, I am convinced that Umar was given an intentionally defective bomb by a U.S. agent,” Haskell says.

Haskell’s account of the events in Amsterdam was originally reported in the Detroit News.

Reached by phone on Friday, Haskell said that the alleged TSA training for a checkpoint shooting “doesn’t surprise me at all” and voiced fears that the government might be involved in such an incident.

“As a first-hand eyewitness to a proven false flat attack, I know that the government does stage fake attacks to further governmental policy,” Haskell said.

Patrick F. Kennedy, Undersecretary of State for Management, told the House Committee on Homeland Security on January 27, 2010, that Abdulmutallab’s visa was not revoked by the State Department due to a national security override from within the intelligence and law enforcement community related to a larger al-Qaeda investigation.

The name of the agency was not publicly disclosed during the hearing and implications were left unexplained.

CNN Video: Patrick F. Kennedy, Undersecretary of Sate for Management

Haskell observes, “An airport is the perfect place setting to stage their play.”

"Terrorism" is defined as the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion. Haskell believes that the government is willing to and has already terrorized the American public by staging fictitious attacks to coerce the acceptance of new government policies.

Extrapolating on that scenario, the acceptance by the public and members of Congress of new gun restrictions would constitute only the latest policy initiative pursued through a program based on the implementation of terror.

While in France, President Obama authorized the use of an autopen to sign into law the extension of three key components of the USA PATRIOT Act on May 26, 2011.

Were another major shooting to unfold in the midst of congressional debate over additional gun control legislation, such as Diane Feinstein’s proposed assault weapons ban, the ensuing crisis could sway wavering members of Congress to support the new gun restrictions.

The TSA employee who disclosed the existence of the checkpoint shooting training, when asked about the possibility that TSA personnel were being set up for a staged checkpoint shooting, responded “I hope the government wouldn’t do something like that.”

TSA screeners are not sworn law enforcement officers, and unlike airport police officers, do not carry firearms.

The primary mission of the TSA is to protect commercial aircraft and the passengers travelling on them from terrorism threats.

TSA checkpoints separate airport “sterile” areas in close proximity to aircraft – where only ticketed passengers, airport workers, and airline crews are permitted – from “nonsterile” areas accessible to all members of the general public. Nonsterile areas typically include airline ticketing and car rental counters, baggage claim belts, and passenger pick-up and drop-off zones.

TSA screeners at the checkpoints look for weapons, explosives, and suspicious travelers who could present a threat to an aircraft, but like everyone else at airports around the country, they count on airport police for armed protection.

Airport police officers, often under the supervision of a city or county law enforcement agency within the municipality where the airport is located, provide armed protection at large airports and have full powers to detain and arrest individuals.

Airport police officers are typically required to have graduated from a police academy, where cadets undergo firearms training,

TSA “officers” wear badges and law enforcement style uniforms, but are not sworn law enforcement officers and initially receive only about 80 hours of new-hire training.

Last June, the House of Representatives voted 131-282 against an amendment to the Department of Homeland Security Bill that would have blocked DHS from spending money on official-looking uniforms.

Arming TSA checkpoint workers who are not sworn law enforcement officers would likely elicit backlash from some of the travelling public and from members of Congress who view current TSA screening procedures as overly invasive, and in some instances reaching the threshold of criminal sexual assault as defined by state laws.

TSA Practices "stop" drill (raw video)

A previously unheard of TSA “all-stop” airport freeze drill become widely known after video of a drill being conducted at Phoenix’s Sky Harbor Airport emerged on YouTube in September 2012. During the drill, passengers were ordered to “stay right where you are” after passing through the checkpoint.

On October 1, 2012, Arizona radio station KTAR quoted TSA spokesman Nico Melendez saying, “they use ‘all-stop drills’ to help prepare employees for a security breach ... They're called in case something happens at the checkpoint where we need to have everyone stop to be able to identify a problem or an issue.”

Because TSA checkpoint workers have no authority to detain people, however, it appears that passengers would not have actually been required to “freeze” unless ordered to do so by law enforcement.

A mass shooting at a TSA checkpoint would not only be a tragedy for the families of those passengers and TSA workers killed, but would likely lead to even more calls for gun control measures, as well as discussions of arming TSA workers, propositions that would likely face stiff resistance.

As Americans grow increasingly fatigued by their experiences at TSA checkpoints, there have been calls from some quarters to scale back or eliminate the agency altogether.

[sailingaway]

That is 'communities' which means it is anyone who signs up and blogs. Some of the people are serious, like Tom Mullen, others kinda off the wall. I don't know this author, personally.

I'm not at all surprised they are trained to save themselves, though. I never got the impression WE were of particular importance in their eyes.

[KCIndy]

Sadly, it would make a lot of sense.

I can't think of ANY other location that would be more of a "gun-free zone" than an airport. Hell, the TSA goes apeshit when they find someone packing nail clippers or knitting needles, let alone any sort of firearm. Any law-abiding citizen is understandably reluctant to carry any sort of self protection device, for fear he or she will wind up locked in a cage.

Add to that the very small number of ingress and egress points, and an airport concourse becomes the perfect killing arena. :(

[Anti Federalist]

Sadly, it would make a lot of sense.

I can't think of ANY other location that would be more of a "gun-free zone" than an airport. Hell, the TSA goes apeshit when they find someone packing nail clippers or knitting needles, let alone any sort of firearm. Any law-abiding citizen is understandably reluctant to carry any sort of self protection device, for fear he or she will wind up locked in a cage.

Add to that the very small number of ingress and egress points, and an airport concourse becomes the perfect killing arena. :(

Makes me nervous every time.

[alucard13mmfmj]

TSA is so horrible.

TSA let's loaded guns into the plane.
TSA violates innocent people's rights.
TSA hasn't caught any terrorists.
TSA save their own butt instead of protecting helpless people that pay their salary.

Seems like they are useless.

[KCIndy]

Best bet?

Well, lemme put it this way: I ain't no lightweight, no sir. I could do to drop a few dozen pounds, and there's no way in hell I can justify eating dessert tomorrow night.

That being said, I believe I could STILL hide behind nine out of every ten fatassed TSA screeners I've seen in the airports where I've traveled.

Next time I'm in the airport, I'm not going to bother looking for the nearest exit. That will be impossible. Instead, I'm going to keep an eye on the fattest TSA agent who is closest to me. When the shooting starts, I'll grab that MoFo and finally get a chance to put the TSA to use in protecting me in the one way that might actually work.

;)

[FindLiberty]

Meat shield?

Recall the German tourists that were carjacked (killed) as they were leaving the Florida airport in a rental car...
This happened TWICE. Florida is a CC state where the bad guys knew these people (who just got off of a flight)
WOULD NOT BE ARMED.

[mrsat_98]

Thanks for the warning, hope you didnt give these ruthless m'fers any ideas.

[Danke]

Lot's of surveillance and cops at an airport. Not sure how many shots a perp could get off there before someone is returning fire.

[squarepusher]

wut

[jmdrake]

Many of us have said this before, but the fact that there has not been a bombing / shooting / fill in the blank in the line waiting to go through the scanners proves that the GWOT is a myth and that Al CIAda wanted people to continue to have the illusion of safety under the Tyrannical Stripsearch Agency. Really, we're supposed to believe that the terrorists are so stupid that they believe the only way to terrorize is to blow up a plane?

[opal]

there has never been a bigger need for personal aircraft that can be parked in our driveways... ala George Jetson

http://blogs.courant.com/helen_ubinas/jetsons.jpg

ya know.. I did an image search for George Jetson.. I had no idea there was so much Toon-Porn out there.. some of it pretty ancient

[tangent4ronpaul]

Lot's of surveillance and cops at an airport. Not sure how many shots a perp could get off there before someone is returning fire.


Many of us have said this before, but the fact that there has not been a bombing / shooting / fill in the blank in the line waiting to go through the scanners proves that the GWOT is a myth and that Al CIAda wanted people to continue to have the illusion of safety under the Tyrannical Stripsearch Agency. Really, we're supposed to believe that the terrorists are so stupid that they believe the only way to terrorize is to blow up a plane?

I've been saying for years that the lack of a bombing at one of these victim disarmament zones is proof that the GWoT is fake. If someone shows up at one with a scary looking black rifle and starts shooting - it would be put down fast. It would also not be real. Just more terror theater.

-t

[2young2vote]

"I feared for my life."

There is a recurring theme that government officials play whenever there is a confrontation with the public. They are the victims. They are the ones who are weak. They are the ones who are being harassed by the civilians.

[airborne373]

I have altered my entire life around not complying with these fascist/communist psychopaths. Part of that transformation is not flying commercial. I will not submit.

If you are not familiar with the Mossad, Michael Chertoff's mommy was a founder or the long history of Israeli terrorist attacks on American interests and you fly commercially. You are playing Russian Roulette with your life.

[sailingaway]

there has never been a bigger need for personal aircraft that can be parked in our driveways... ala George Jetson


The TSA sought Ron and Carol out even on their charter jet, remember? Tsa would then just get a grant to man our driveways. Apparently they have started at train stations (or at least one) in Texas. The video looks like those old Nazi 'where are your papers' film strips....

[airborne373]

there has never been a bigger need for personal aircraft that can be parked in our driveways... ala George Jetson

There is ... sort of. Under a new FAA classification there is the Sport Pilot category. This is a lightweight yet powerful two passenger aircraft. Add in the advanced avionics, gps and live weather radar either active or satellite radio link we are pretty damn close.

Zenith 750 takes off in under 50 feet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wIe0ROnJVk

[MelissaWV]

Count me as one of those who has been talking about the temptation of the security bottleneck for years.

Around the holidays, major airports have security lines that loop back on themselves and continue for some distance. All the security cameras and officers in the world don't matter; there is nothing to see. Nothing has been searched. There is no reason someone cannot, at that point, blow up the security line or start shooting. Mind you, I think a bomb or a biological agent is way more likely than spraying bullets. A bomb would blow through the floor as well, which would kill people below as a bonus (and a lot of security lines just happen to be above either the baggage terminal or ticket counters or both). Biological agents spread among people getting on planes? No-brainer. There are a number of flights to different areas that leave around the same times. The ease in releasing something like this is unnerving. Security lines often ooze past cafes or other areas where someone can sit for HOURS and dispense aerosols without arousing much suspicion.

Then there are planes that take off over interstates. Some of them take off directly over malls or rest stops. It is not easy to get a weapon to take down a plane, but neither is it impossible. Shoot, hop on the interstate, blend.

In other words, there are millions of ways to "terrorize" us that will never entirely go away, and are not even addressed.

[oyarde]

I agree , there is no place I feel as exposed and uneasy as in an airport line .....

[sailingaway]

Count me as one of those who has been talking about the temptation of the security bottleneck for years.

Around the holidays, major airports have security lines that loop back on themselves and continue for some distance. All the security cameras and officers in the world don't matter; there is nothing to see. Nothing has been searched. There is no reason someone cannot, at that point, blow up the security line or start shooting. Mind you, I think a bomb or a biological agent is way more likely than spraying bullets. A bomb would blow through the floor as well, which would kill people below as a bonus (and a lot of security lines just happen to be above either the baggage terminal or ticket counters or both). Biological agents spread among people getting on planes? No-brainer. There are a number of flights to different areas that leave around the same times. The ease in releasing something like this is unnerving. Security lines often ooze past cafes or other areas where someone can sit for HOURS and dispense aerosols without arousing much suspicion.

Then there are planes that take off over interstates. Some of them take off directly over malls or rest stops. It is not easy to get a weapon to take down a plane, but neither is it impossible. Shoot, hop on the interstate, blend.

In other words, there are millions of ways to "terrorize" us that will never entirely go away, and are not even addressed.

ADDRESSED? This is created in the first place by DHS.

[MelissaWV]

ADDRESSED? This is created in the first place by DHS.

This particular one? Yes.

Any number of other scenarios? They are not possible to defend against, and the Government does not even try.

The most efficient citizen "terrorists" I've encountered were the Beltway Snipers. There was nothing to defend against. There was nothing to stop. You would be mowing the lawn, or taking bags from the store to your car, or going to school, or putting gas in your car... and then you were shot. There were reports of a white van, so the police tried to stop all the white vans around the Beltway. It didn't work. Hell, they weren't even in a white van.

We are set up in societies where it's easy to terrorize, easy to disrupt, easy to kill, easy to maim. I don't think the thing holding people back is difficulty or fear of the TSA/DHS. These scenarios aren't addressed because they are already remote. So are the scenarios being addressed. The difference is that the ones being addressed justify expense, control, and encroachment.

[amy31416]

Melissa and AF probably fly more than anyone here, so they have the most reason to bitch, but I gotta say that the whole situation makes me pretty sad that I'll never be able to take my daughter to Europe, Africa or Asia to experience the world. Unless we're willing to go by ship, I guess--but that'll probably be effed up too in the near future.

[MelissaWV]

Melissa and AF probably fly more than anyone here, so they have the most reason to bitch, but I gotta say that the whole situation makes me pretty sad that I'll never be able to take my daughter to Europe, Africa or Asia to experience the world. Unless we're willing to go by ship, I guess--but that'll probably be effed up too in the near future.

They're already checking passports on a lot of cruise ships as you get on.

I have become a bit of a selfish jerk of late, and insisted that my family come visit me and not the other way around :p I will also say that flying small airport -> hub -> destination still works ... for now.

[Zippyjuan]

Sounds like the "thousands" they were going to kill at the Olympics in London. Another event which never happened.

I believe the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church of Reverend Sun Yung Moon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

[bolil]

Lot's of surveillance and cops at an airport. Not sure how many shots a perp could get off there before someone is returning fire.

It wouldn't take many, people are jammed together in the lines.

[sailingaway]

Sounds like the "thousands" they were going to kill at the Olympics in London. Another event which never happened.

I believe the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church of Reverend Sun Yung Moon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

Didn't Sun Yung Moon die this past year? I could have sworn I saw an article headline to that effect on google... but it could have been The Onion, for all I remember.....

[idiom]

I don't think it is widely understood that hijacking aircraft is no longer a valid tactic. It will never happen again. We almost don't need to screen aircraft at all. The only threat now is blowing up the aircraft lockerbie style.

No commercial aircraft will ever be flown into a building again. It only worked the first three times because they were virtually simultaneous and the passengers stuck to their training. By the fourth attempt hijacking was over forever.

[jmdrake]

They're already checking passports on a lot of cruise ships as you get on.

I have become a bit of a selfish jerk of late, and insisted that my family come visit me and not the other way around :p I will also say that flying small airport -> hub -> destination still works ... for now.

And the best resource I know for doing ^that is http://tsastatus.net/.

[FindLiberty]

By the fourth attempt hijacking was over forever.

Yes, and it only took 1 hour and 44 minutes to figure THAT out on the morning of 9/11/2001.

edit: Time from the 1st SkyPhone call of a "suspected hijacking" in progress was made, until 1:44 later when the INFORMED but unarmed passengers stormed UA Flight 93's cockpit somewhere over Shanksville, PA. Future
passengers now know THEY must not allow hijacking to proceed.

[AFPVet]

Statistically, it would only be a matter of time before this would happen. Think about it... mass shootings have happened in almost every other medium to large venue.

[Zippyjuan]

I can't think of any at sporting events. Concerts. Lots of large events. Mostly schools.

[heavenlyboy34]

Sadly, it would make a lot of sense.

I can't think of ANY other location that would be more of a "gun-free zone" than an airport. Hell, the TSA goes apeshit when they find someone packing nail clippers or knitting needles, let alone any sort of firearm. Any law-abiding citizen is understandably reluctant to carry any sort of self protection device, for fear he or she will wind up locked in a cage.

Add to that the very small number of ingress and egress points, and an airport concourse becomes the perfect killing arena. :(
K-12 Schools?

[AFPVet]

I can't think of any at sporting events. Concerts. Lots of large events. Mostly schools.

We would add those as well. We have seen a couple of movie theater shootings... although, one of those was halted by a CCW before it became a mass shooting. So yes, stadiums and concerts are other venues that would be included within the statistical probability.

[Anti Federalist]

Melissa and AF probably fly more than anyone here, so they have the most reason to bitch, but I gotta say that the whole situation makes me pretty sad that I'll never be able to take my daughter to Europe, Africa or Asia to experience the world. Unless we're willing to go by ship, I guess--but that'll probably be effed up too in the near future.

Commercial passenger carrying vessels?

Same nonsense.

Will be in place on roads, trains and buses shortly.

[Anti Federalist]

K-12 Schools?

+rep

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, and it only took 1 hour and 44 minutes to figure THAT out on the morning of 9/11/2001.



Not possible.

NORAD has a 5 minute response time.

Oh, wait...

[heavenlyboy34]

Commercial passenger carrying vessels?

Same nonsense.

Will be in place on roads, trains and buses shortly.
hooRAH for government roads! :( /sarc