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sailingaway
01-26-2013, 09:41 PM
CNET learns the FBI is quietly pushing its plan to force surveillance backdoors on social networks, VoIP, and Web e-mail providers, and that the bureau is asking Internet companies not to oppose a law making those backdoors mandatory.

The FBI is asking Internet companies not to oppose a controversial proposal that would require firms, including Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google, to build in backdoors for government surveillance.

In meetings with industry representatives, the White House, and U.S. senators, senior FBI officials argue the dramatic shift in communication from the telephone system to the Internet has made it far more difficult for agents to wiretap Americans suspected of illegal activities, CNET has learned.

The FBI general counsel's office has drafted a proposed law that the bureau claims is the best solution: requiring that social-networking Web sites and providers of VoIP, instant messaging, and Web e-mail alter their code to ensure their products are wiretap-friendly.

"If you create a service, product, or app that allows a user to communicate, you get the privilege of adding that extra coding," an industry representative who has reviewed the FBI's draft legislation told CNET. The requirements apply only if a threshold of a certain number of users is exceeded, according to a second industry representative briefed on it.

The FBI's proposal would amend a 1994 law, called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA, that currently applies only to telecommunications providers, not Web companies. The Federal Communications Commission extended CALEA in 2004 to apply to broadband networks.

FBI Director Robert Mueller is not asking companies to support the bureau's CALEA expansion, but instead is "asking what can go in it to minimize impacts," one participant in the discussions says. That included a scheduled trip this month to the West Coast -- which was subsequently postponed -- to meet with Internet companies' CEOs and top lawyers.

A further expansion of CALEA is unlikely to be applauded by tech companies, their customers, or privacy groups. Apple (which distributes iChat and FaceTime) is currently lobbying on the topic, according to disclosure documents filed with Congress two weeks ago. Microsoft (which owns Skype and Hotmail) says its lobbyists are following the topic because it's "an area of ongoing interest to us." Google, Yahoo, and Facebook declined to comment.

In February 2011, CNET was the first to report that then-FBI general counsel Valerie Caproni was planning to warn Congress of what the bureau calls its "Going Dark" problem, meaning that its surveillance capabilities may diminish as technology advances. Caproni singled out "Web-based e-mail, social-networking sites, and peer-to-peer communications" as problems that have left the FBI "increasingly unable" to conduct the same kind of wiretapping it could in the past.

In addition to the FBI's legislative proposal, there are indications that the Federal Communications Commission is considering reinterpreting CALEA to demand that products that allow video or voice chat over the Internet -- from Skype to Google Hangouts to Xbox Live -- include surveillance backdoors to help the FBI with its "Going Dark" program. CALEA applies to technologies that are a "substantial replacement" for the telephone system.

"We have noticed a massive uptick in the amount of FCC CALEA inquiries and enforcement proceedings within the last year, most of which are intended to address 'Going Dark' issues," says Christopher Canter, lead compliance counsel at the Marashlian and Donahue law firm, which specializes in CALEA. "This generally means that the FCC is laying the groundwork for regulatory action."

more at link

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-sites-now/

Anti Federalist
01-26-2013, 11:08 PM
If you want whatever communication you are making to NOT less likely be intercepted by the Fed-Coats, then use NO electronic form of communication whatsoever.

These articles are pointless anymore, I mean why bother?

The Fed-Coats have infected everything, nothing is secure and everything is subject to illegal surveillance.

And nobody gives a flying fuck about it, except a small remnant of refuseniks (that's us) too weak, disjointed and unorganized to do fuck all about it, even if we had the balls to, which we don't.

LibForestPaul
01-26-2013, 11:18 PM
Why are they bullshiting when they already have backdoors?

There must be reason...
Public acceptance, heading off judicial review, liabilty protection for Google etal

Natural Citizen
01-26-2013, 11:41 PM
GOP pushing for ISPs to record user data :rolleyes:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html

I thought about putting this in grassroots just for effect. :cool:


The new chairman of the House Judiciary committee is Lamar Smith of Texas, who previously introduced a data retention (http://news.cnet.com/2100-1028_3-6156948.html) bill.


"Republicans were put in power to limit the size and scope of the federal government," Harper said. "And they're working to grow the federal government, increase its intrusiveness, and I fail to see where the Fourth Amendment permits the government to require dragnet surveillance of Internet users."

Matt Collins
01-27-2013, 12:05 AM
They are like the Mafia. "Do as we say and we won't hurt you".

If you try and fight us we'll bring regulation and taxation and investigation down upon you.

Anti Federalist
01-27-2013, 12:06 AM
Why are they bullshiting when they already have backdoors?

There must be reason...
Public acceptance, heading off judicial review, liabilty protection for Google etal

Yah, that was my first thought as well.

Natural Citizen
01-27-2013, 12:16 AM
They are like the Mafia. "Do as we say and we won't hurt you".

If you try and fight us we'll bring regulation and taxation and investigation down upon you.

There are actually certain market aspects of it relative to taxation and whatnot. Some other things....

http://www.mondaynote.com/2013/01/20/google-vs-the-press-avoiding-the-lose-lose-scenario/

http://lauren.vortex.com/

Aside from that, MSM isn't as relevant to many causes of three letter alphabet entites as many turn away from them. Will need other places to settle in their minions, I suspect.

sevin
01-27-2013, 12:20 AM
Why are they bullshiting when they already have backdoors?

There must be reason...
Public acceptance, heading off judicial review, liabilty protection for Google etal

Yea, I assumed they were already recording everything. Whistleblowers from the NSA have said as much. This is stupid.

DamianTV
01-27-2013, 02:28 AM
In essence, the lack of privacy that the world is coming to is much like being under your "Miranda Rights" at all times, where anything you say will be used against you in a Court of Law. Notice that last part. It reads LAW, not JUSTICE. And it also does not say FOR you, it can only be used AGAINST you.

And for those who dont care because they dont do anything wrong? If they know EVERYTHING about you, they WILL find something to penalize you with, and always at your expense.

idiom
01-27-2013, 02:34 AM
The FBI proposal sounds like a great plan to get all web hosting to leave the U.S,

I gave this its own thread but its worth watching this interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mphBRtr030s

tod evans
01-27-2013, 05:45 AM
If anything this is just the public being notified of what has been going on for years.

It's possible that with advances in technology government may choose to disclose some of the data gathered in court hearings but don't count on it.

Shifty underhanded prosecutors and their investigative arms have always held their cards close to their vests and there is no logical reason to think that because of technology they'll start coming clean now.

I fear new legislation that makes typing subversive ones-n-zeros a federal crime....

presence
01-27-2013, 07:43 AM
What can we do here at RPF with regards to encrypting our connection; adding SSL security, pgp keys etc. ???

opal
01-27-2013, 07:46 AM
I'm still waiting for startpage to get email services

tangent4ronpaul
01-27-2013, 07:54 AM
What can we do here at RPF with regards to encrypting our connection; adding SSL security, pgp keys etc. ???

I suppose Josh could enable anonymous posting and put a sync'd mirror on the DarkNet.

Man, that Anon guy would rack up rep like crazy :)

-t

Anti Federalist
01-27-2013, 12:01 PM
TIL: Kim Dotcom is Michael Moore's little brother.

:D


The FBI proposal sounds like a great plan to get all web hosting to leave the U.S,

I gave this its own thread but its worth watching this interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mphBRtr030s

LibForestPaul
01-27-2013, 04:08 PM
What can we do here at RPF with regards to encrypting our connection; adding SSL security, pgp keys etc. ???

That only works when you trust in trust. i.e. Even https encryption will not help. It will help against local only.
There are companies that proclaim trust...Verisign...that one must trust in order to implement https. Since past history has shown collusion between media and telecommunications corporations, one must conclude that Verisign is not trustable. Therefore https is of no use.


That is also who Dotcom is trying to implement their own solution (though supposedly poorly).

FindLiberty
01-27-2013, 07:52 PM
Verisign was another saic hatchling...

FACE IT, THE INTERNET IS NOT YOURS OR MINE!

New video game is up and running?
http://www.zdnet.com/anonymous-re-hacks-us-sentencing-site-into-video-game-asteroids-7000010384/

Funny how it's always something going on with those fbi guys... it's been going on forever,
but why all the fuss lately? What else is going on?


EDIT: There, I found it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/01/what-fbi-doesnt-want-you-know-about-its-surveillance-techniques


http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/19/stingray_imsi_fbi_accused_by_epic_of_dragging_feet _on_releasing_documents.html

http://massprivatei.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-fbi-documents-reveal-how-sting-ray.html

http://epic.org/foia/fbi/stingray/

Little fun remains if your own hardware can't even be repurposed:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2012-26308.pdf

http://www.technewsdaily.com/8394-new-rules-let-you-jailbreak-phones-but-not-tablets.html

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re: http://www.zdnet.com/news/fbi-renews-push-for-ready-made-web-wiretaps/6361782

The fbi's ultimate web user spy software circus is still
unfolding as America races to waste, exhaust and
murder itself. Power corrupts and then the fish rots
from the head down... It's worse than "Godfather".

Someday, several decades later, today's crap may see the light of day too:
http://www.governmentattic.org/6docs/FBI-File100-93216Soviet%20BioChemWarfare_1954.pdf

DamianTV
01-27-2013, 08:11 PM
Eventually, it will get to the point where every single alphabet soup agency claims that pleading "Not Guilty" is evidence of a crime.

Modern. Day. Witch. Hunt.

Gone are the days of Innocent until proven Guilty. Now, one merely needs to be accused of Witchcraft to be found guilty of it. Anything to the contrary is considered inadmissible in court. The premise of requiring Wiretaps and Warannatless Surveillance only maintains the Illusion that our Courts abide by the very laws they were designed to enforce, and it is becoming increasingly obvious that their rulings have absolutely no correspondence with the real world, what so ever.