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tangent4ronpaul
01-25-2013, 09:24 AM
This makes speed dating or putting together a 30 second commercial sound easy.

Any idea how many words are average in 6 seconds of talking?

I'm thinking animation might be the best bet.

Anyone have ideas on what to broadcast? Seems like the message space is better than a bumper sticker...

-t

Why Experts Think Twitter’s 6-Second Videos Could Be Huge
http://www.wired.com/business/2013/01/experts-on-twitter-vine/

Tech journalists spent Thursday playing with, writing about, and reviewing Twitter’s clever and simple new system for video posts, Vine. But academics are keenly interested in Vine too, saying the extreme constraints it imposes on video could produce an explosion in video sharing.

There’s big potential in Vine, say the two experts in online socialization we spoke to, but it’s unclear how, and how often, people will use the six-second video service.

“My guess, given the enthusiasm for Twitter so far, is that people are going to do really cool things,” says Scott Klemmer, who co-directs the Human-Computer Interaction Group at Stanford University. “One of the things we know about creativity is that constraints are essential for getting people to do creative stuff. If you come up with the right constraints, that’s a benefit, not a drawback. And nobody knows that better than Twitter, where their 140-character constraint really created a whole new medium in a lot of ways.”

“Will six-second videos be that? Who knows? But I think it’s a pretty darn interesting constraint.”

Twitter didn’t explain the reasoning behind its six-second video limit in an official announcement of Vine on Wednesday, but it’s easy to see what Twitter is trying to do if you consider the context in which Twitter itself launched seven years ago. Back then, many people wrote on the web via blogs, where posts could be of any length. But they seemed to post more frequently and freely when confined to small bursts, for example in the short status updates that caught fire on social networks like Facebook and MySpace. When Twitter launched in 2006, its strict insistence on short posts unleashed a torrent of fresh writing.

There was a practical reason for Twitter’s limit; the messaging network, particularly in its earliest incarnations, leaned heavily on cell-phone texting, which imposes hard limits on message length. But Twitter’s creators kept the limit in place long after most of its users had migrated to using the service via the web. “We’re fond of constraints that inspire creativity,” co-creator Jack Dorsey told PBS.org in 2007.

The subsequent success of Twitter’s microcontent model – attracting hundreds of millions of users, including an enviable collection of well known names across many creative fields — would seem to bode well for Vine. But it’s hard to predict what form its success might take. When Twitter launched, conventions for replies, retweets and hashtags had not been created, to say nothing of the more obscure subcultures and conventions that have emerged along the way. The medium emerged organically, and it would seem Twitter is trying to allow the same thing to happen with Vine.

“Twitter was built on the premise that constraints produce unexpected outcomes as people get creative,” says Danah Boyd, a senior researcher at Microsoft Research and longtime academic studying social media. “Part of what makes [Vine] interesting is who knows what will come out of it ?”

One thing, at least, is clear: People will not communicate in video on Twitter the same way they communicate in text.

“Video lets you show things,” says Klemmer. “For me at least, it would be much more pointing a camera out at the world than reading a monologue… It would be here’s the sunset tonight, or check out this crazy thing that I saw.”

Thus far, people seem to be using Vine mainly to show off their desks and offices. But then again, people initially used Twitter to report their every mundane move throughout the day: Eating lunch, going to the park, catching a movie. It was hard at the time to imagine what more could be done with 140 characters. It turned out, there was quite a lot more to say, and it will be interesting to see what more there is for people to shoot.

-t

jkr
01-25-2013, 09:34 AM
yes:

"Do YOU really want ME to tell YOU what to think, feel and do?"

dinosaur
01-25-2013, 09:43 AM
I'm thinking animation might be the best bet.

Good thinking. Good post.

VoluntaryAmerican
01-25-2013, 09:45 AM
I read that something like 80% of viewers will watch a 10 second video all the way through even if it sucks. So there might be something to this 6 second video craze... but I haven't seen anything of the sort.

proudclod229
01-25-2013, 02:07 PM
"you can't outlaw evil. therefore people should be at liberty to be as free as they need to be."

TheGrinch
01-25-2013, 02:16 PM
I read that something like 80% of viewers will watch a 10 second video all the way through even if it sucks. So there might be something to this 6 second video craze... but I haven't seen anything of the sort.

Many people also seem to prefer news in small easily digestible chunks rather than long articles that give real insight into world events, but that doesn't make it a good thing. In fact, it jsut contributes to the narrative being more easily distorted and controlled, rather than allowing the reader/viewer to objectively analyze it.

It's really why I hate twitter, and think it is worthless other than breaking news first, and for following things of interest... I mean, how much can you really say about an issue in 140 characters once you add in the @'s, #'s, and redundant link should you actually want to say more.

And 6 second videos, cmon, that's not enough time to influence anyone about anything.

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 02:20 PM
Live and let live to the maximal extent
Lest YOU be persecuted for YOUR bent.

sailingaway
01-25-2013, 02:36 PM
Some good ideas here. I'll have to come up with that six second hook for conversation, at least.

phill4paul
01-25-2013, 02:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWoMkzz0ErI

http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Make_a_Flip_Book_Animation

jmdrake
01-25-2013, 02:54 PM
I don't have a iPhone so I'm shut out. But here are a few ideas.

"Google Martin Luther King denied gun permit."

"Google racist origins gun control."

"Google racist origins planned parenthood."

"Google Obama dissed MLK and Ghandi."

"If you trade security for freedom you get neither."

"Google Saudi Visa Express."

"Google Emad Salem 1993 WTC bombing".

Seraphim
01-25-2013, 02:59 PM
"Humans are destined for greatness. Liberty now. That is all."

BAllen
01-25-2013, 03:03 PM
1. Assault weapon: a baseball bat
2. Marxists censor truth
3. Socialism destroys initiative
4. Freedom is hate speech
5. Socialism is not truth

People's attention spans are short these days. They are used to soundbites. We may be able to use this to our advantage.

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 03:05 PM
"Google racist origins gun control."



20 Jan ImplausibleEndeavors ‏@MindOfMo
Would any Slaves in the loooong & colorful history of Slavery ever have become Slaves if they had had Force comparable to that of Enslavers?

sailingaway
01-25-2013, 03:16 PM
MLK was denied a concealed carry permit.

BAllen
01-25-2013, 03:26 PM
Martin Luther King was a communist
Lincoln was a tyrant

sailingaway
01-25-2013, 03:29 PM
Martin Luther King was a communist
Lincoln was a tyrant

You consider those statements selling points for liberty?

is the truth or falsity thereof even relevant at this point?

and how did we get to Lincoln?

dinosaur
01-25-2013, 03:31 PM
The law of monetary gravity: If you give your government the power to redistribute wealth, the money will eventually end up in the pockets of the rich.

BAllen
01-25-2013, 03:36 PM
You consider those statements selling points for liberty?

is the truth or falsity thereof even relevant at this point?

and how did we get to Lincoln?

Absolutely! Michael King was a fraud! Lincoln invaded the South and murdered citizens who had a right to secede.

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 03:42 PM
Liberty is "just" Freedom, but Freedom has never been free
By contrast, it is extremely lucrative to regulate me & thee

tangent4ronpaul
01-25-2013, 03:43 PM
You know that flick the truthers in MI are making?... the scene with the FEMA JBT's killing civilians execution style? Followed by "Your Tax Dollars at work", and optionally some fast facts on massive DHS bullet buys, and then the population of the country...

Yeah - about 6 seconds....

-t

tangent4ronpaul
01-25-2013, 03:46 PM
A cluster bomb being dropped.
Kids picking up a dud in a playground and getting shredded...
Scene of someone strapping on a suicide bomber vest...

"Yeah, tell me you wouldn't do this if it was your kids in your neighborhood!"

-t

sailingaway
01-25-2013, 03:48 PM
Absolutely! Michael King was a fraud! Lincoln invaded the South and murdered citizens who had a right to secede.

and the selling point of this point of view is what?

bunklocoempire
01-25-2013, 04:41 PM
A specific issue, but one I always come back to:

My wife and our family aren't $16 TRILLION in the hole -but government is going to tell US what to do?

I don't think so!

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 05:00 PM
Liberty rhymes with ME and THEE, whose existence entitles us to be free
Tyranny too rhymes with ME and THEE, who must choose to fight or flee
Or submit to endless orders and fees, evading penalty from bended knee
Like age-old battle 'twixt Good and Evil is war 'twixt Liberty and Tyranny.

torchbearer
01-25-2013, 05:11 PM
What are you if you don't own yourself?

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 05:12 PM
Would you rather make your own mistakes, or let others make mistakes FOR you and have someone to blame?

Ender
01-25-2013, 05:15 PM
Easy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE


The entire length is 12 seconds but it can be cut appropriately.

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 05:28 PM
What are you if you don't own yourself?


Subject, Slave or Convict.

BAllen
01-25-2013, 05:31 PM
and the selling point of this point of view is what?

Don't trust the Marxist Stream Media. Do your own research.

torchbearer
01-25-2013, 05:32 PM
Subject, Slave or Convict.


there are only two options-
you own yourself, and have the rights/liberies that come with that ownership.
or you don't own yourself and you are a slave,subject, or convict.

tangent4ronpaul
01-25-2013, 05:42 PM
Liberty rhymes with ME and THEE, whose existence entitles us to be free
Tyranny too rhymes with ME and THEE, who must choose to fight or flee
Or submit to endless orders and fees, evading penalty from bended knee
Like age-old battle 'twixt Good and Evil is war 'twixt Liberty and Tyranny.

You must spread some rep around.... :(

That was AWESOME!!!!!

-t

TheGrinch
01-25-2013, 05:43 PM
Liberty rhymes with ME and THEE, whose existence entitles us to be free
Tyranny too rhymes with ME and THEE, who must choose to fight or flee
Or submit to endless orders and fees, evading penalty from bended knee
Like age-old battle 'twixt Good and Evil is war 'twixt Liberty and Tyranny.

Could you summarize and dumb this down for me? I don't have an attention span beyond 6 seconds, so I'm really excited about this ground-breaking new idea.

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 05:43 PM
there are only two options-
you own yourself, and have the rights/liberies that come with that ownership.
or you don't own yourself and you are a slave,subject, or convict.


You own yourself or you do not; you make decisions or you obey
If you're not free, you're one of three: Convict, Subject or Slave.

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 06:09 PM
Liberty rhymes with ME and THEE, whose existence entitles us to be free
Tyranny too rhymes with ME and THEE, who must choose to fight or flee
Or submit to endless orders and fees, evading penalty from bended knee
Like age-old battle 'twixt Good and Evil is war 'twixt Liberty and Tyranny.



Could you summarize and dumb this down for me? I don't have an attention span beyond 6 seconds, so I'm really excited about this ground-breaking new idea.


Liberty is people's naturally
Tyranny is human tendency
Freedom is not free or easy
USE IT or LOSE IT mentality

presence
01-25-2013, 06:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Er75-sS5As&feature=player_embedded

2:00 to 2:06

cheapseats
01-25-2013, 06:22 PM
Liberty means you're free to BE, absent grotesque criminality
YOUR mind & body, thoughts & deeds, YOU decide organically

TheGrinch
01-25-2013, 06:26 PM
Liberty is people's naturally
Tyranny is human tendency
Freedom is not free or easy
USE IT or LOSE IT mentality

Still not dumbed down enough... Aw, screw it, I'm just going to go get one of those Freedom Isn't Free bumper stickers, even though I'm not sure it means what they think it means, but hey, it sounds catchy, so no need to get bogged down in the details of a world that's way too complex for my feeble brain.

(To be clear, I'm not mocking you, I'm mocking the information overload purge of sound information and insight, that transfers everything into simple soundbites)

dinosaur
01-25-2013, 06:29 PM
A cluster bomb being dropped.
Kids picking up a dud in a playground and getting shredded...
Scene of someone strapping on a suicide bomber vest...

"Yeah, tell me you wouldn't do this if it was your kids in your neighborhood!"

-t

Done right, I actually think that might work.

phill4paul
01-25-2013, 07:39 PM
A cluster bomb being dropped.
Kids picking up a dud in a playground and getting shredded...
Scene of someone strapping on a suicide bomber vest...

"Yeah, tell me you wouldn't do this if it was your kids in your neighborhood!"

-t

Booom. Yes. +rep

Working Poor
01-25-2013, 08:13 PM
The high price of freedom is still a bargin.

FrancisMarion
01-25-2013, 08:59 PM
It would be cool to have a video of Lady liberty in all of her splendor drop her torch with dismay. 6 seconds.

jmdrake
01-25-2013, 09:37 PM
Martin Luther King was a communist
Lincoln was a tyrant

More 6 second vids:

BAllen is a troll.

There are infiltrators in the liberty movement.

Ron Paul called MLK one of his heroes.

jmdrake
01-25-2013, 09:38 PM
Absolutely! Michael King was a fraud! Lincoln invaded the South and murdered citizens who had a right to secede.

Rush Limbaugh agrees with you so he must be a supporter of liberty. :rolleyes: