Anonymous Calls for the Overthrow of the US Government

[green73]

In the latest video from Anonymous, they have called for the most aggressive action yet. They're asking the American people to join them in a "call to arms" for the destruction and overthrow of the US Government.

In the statement, Anonymous says the government is calling them "terrorists" because they truly fear a people's uprising.

"The United States Government insists on labeling us as terrorists. The question is, "who do we terrorize?" Is it probable that the United States government is truly afraid of we, the people?"

They are not calling for denial of service attacks on government websites or protests as is their normal modus operandi, but for freedom activists to join them in full-blown war to overthrow the US Government and return it to the control of the people.

"We are not calling upon the collective to deface or use a distributed denial of service attack on a United States government agency website, or affiliate. We are not calling upon the people to once again occupy a city or protest in front of a local building, This has not brought on us any legislative change or alternate law. It has only brought us bloodshed and false criticism. For the last 12 years, voting has been useless. Corporations and lobbyists are the true leaders of this country and are the ones with the power to control our lives, To rebuild our government, we must first destroy it.Our time for democracy is here, Our time for resolution is here, This is America's time for revolution, To restore our constitutional rights, to once again, be free therefore, Anonymous along with the American people have decided to openly declare war on the United States government. This is a call to arms."


The hacktivist collective lists a long train of abuses that can no longer be allowed:


We refuse to be a police state.
We refuse to be brutalized and dehumanized by the very people our tax dollars fund to protect our cities and streets.
We will not allow the government to control our destiny, our right to build a life for ourselves.
We demand freedom from government control, taxation, repossession and death.
You will not come to our doors and take our guns, our property, you will not force the citizens of this great country to participate in the unlawful act of government mandated healthcare.
We the people refuse to put in your control our health, our bodies, our minds, our lives.
We will not grant permission for the government to deploy drones over our homes and communities.
We must end the federal reserve. A private central bank should not issue our currency, set interest rates and run our economy. Rather, we need to return control over the currency to the American people where it belongs.


They claim that all peaceful attempts to affect change within the system have failed and the time for action is now.

"Our peaceful actions, patience and restraint have been demonstrated as we watched and waited for our Congress and Representatives to speak for the American citizens and protect us from the tyrant that sits in the oval office and happily strips the American people of our rights, one by one, executive order by executive order. We have waited long enough."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_u9TbzRwA

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/01/anonymous-calls-for-war-to-overthrow-us.html

[sailingaway]

How does one ever know if it is really 'anonymous'. Isn't that basically anyone who calls themselves that?

[thoughtomator]

IMO "Anonymous" is a government black op

[paulbot24]

IMO "Anonymous" is a government black op

These theories will probably outlive all of us since nothing can be proved. Trying to prove something about Anonymous is as possible as trying to prove there is a God. My money is on people proving God first.

[Demigod]

These theories will probably outlive all of us since nothing can be proved. Trying to prove something about Anonymous is as possible as trying to prove there is a God. My money is on people proving God first.

1984 style."You will never know if there is a resistance or it is just us".

[Working Poor]

Yea I get a certain vibe from them that does not feel right. When they came out against Ron Paul I lost hope for them being with us.

[sailingaway]

Yea I get a certain view from them that does not feel right. When they came out against Ron Paul I lost hope for them being with us.

'they' also came out in favor of him. That is what I meant by it being just anyone who says they are them

[libertygrl]

This is dangerous stuff. I don't trust people who come out and call for this. NO ONE in the liberty movement should allow themselves to be provoked into something like this. It's EXACTLY what the powers that be are waiting for. A REASON. Calmer and logical minds must prevail.

[TywinLannister]

Maybe the black ops are the people who accuse other groups of being black ops, in order to prevent them from gaining traction =P

[thoughtomator]

When Anonymous does something significant - say, wiping out the IRS databases - then I'll believe they're for real.

[rpfocus]

Yeah, "Anonymous" you go in first guns blasting. We'll follow you shortly. No, seriously. :rolleyes:

[TywinLannister]

When Anonymous does something significant - say, wiping out the IRS databases - then I'll believe they're for real.

what if you are due a refund?

[Tod]

what if you are due a refund?

That's what you get for trusting the gov't. Should've adjusted your withholding. :D

[youngbuck]

As mentioned, how do we know if this is coming from Anonymous, even if we knew who Anonymous was? Almost anybody could make this video. It's not like they have an official website or anything.

[P3ter_Griffin]

This is dangerous stuff. I don't trust people who come out and call for this. NO ONE in the liberty movement should allow themselves to be provoked into something like this. It's EXACTLY what the powers that be are waiting for. A REASON. Calmer and logical minds must prevail.

^This. I thought it was dumb they decided to remain "a-politcal" (didn't endorse anyone) during this last election cycle, especially since Paul was addressing many of their concerns. Its even dumber to, after having passed up their right influence the make-up of our government, to then petition the people to overthrow the government.

And WTF does Anonymous think they are going to accomplish? At best they are going to get shit on, and at worst it'll end up gathering public support to pass more Patriot Act type bills. Fucking stupid. Hopefully they don't follow through... who the hell is going to protect the internets if Anonymous is gone?!?>!

[FunkBuddha]

Sounds a little too libertarian for Anonymous to me. Anonymous typically strikes me as being somewhat to the left.

[awake]

Online agent provocateurs. I simply don't trust this group at all.

[gwax23]

Its not whether there good or bad or on our side or against in the end they are entirely pointless and have done little to nothing besides deface a few websites front end.

[Working Poor]

When Anonymous does something significant - say, wiping out the IRS databases - then I'll believe they're for real.
Yes then I will also believe they are fo' real

[alucard13mmfmj]

What is anonymous going to do? Offer us tech/hack support to fight the machine?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I feel bad for whoever uploaded that video

[jkob]

Anonymous is whoever uses the label anonymous. There is no group. This is just some random person.

[pcosmar]

Online agent provocateurs. I simply don't trust this group at all.

"They" are not a group. "They" do not even exist.
Individuals speaking anonymously exist. They speak for no one but themselves and any that might agree with them.

Several individuals may agree and work together on any given project. Others may disagree.
There is no leader.. only common goals that are voluntarily agreed on.

anonymous

Adjective

(of a person) Not identified by name; of unknown name.

Having no outstanding, individual, or unusual features; unremarkable or impersonal.


1 : of unknown authorship or origin <an anonymous tip>
2: not named or identified <an anonymous author> <they wish to remain anonymous>

[foxtrotterz]

When drones start dive bombing into the ocean, the deserts and the side of mountains, I might be convinced.

[pcosmar]

When drones start dive bombing into the ocean, the deserts and the side of mountains, I might be convinced.

And what are YOU doing to counter the drones? NO, Don't Answer.
Prepare.

[JK/SEA]

it is 'possible' that Anon is a modern day Paul Revere...pretty sure some farmers back in the day thought Revere was a nut job....

[pcosmar]

As mentioned, how do we know if this is coming from Anonymous, even if we knew who Anonymous was? Almost anybody could make this video. It's not like they have an official website or anything.

True
But I have to ask,, for those that are speaking against this video, What exactly do you disagree with?

What part of the speech was incorrect? untrue?

[pcosmar]

it is 'possible' that Anon is a modern day Paul Revere...pretty sure some farmers back in the day thought Revere was a nut job....

Didn't some of the founders write Anonymously? or under an assumed name?

[green73]

The uploader has 30K subscribers. That to me gives him some cred.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahvv0AsAsE8&feature=player_embedded

Stock up on the popcorn - this is going to be interesting... OR VERY REAL!!!!

-t

[BAllen]

When Anonymous does something significant - say, wiping out the IRS databases - then I'll believe they're for real.

Agreed. If they were legitimate, they would have already done this.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Agreed. If they were legitimate, they would have already done this.

If we were legitimate, we would have done something...

Our movement currently SUCKS!!!!

-t

[Athan]

IMO "Anonymous" is a government black op

I have it from reliable sources that they are not.

[BAllen]

If we were legitimate, we would have done something...

Our movement currently SUCKS!!!!

-t

What would you suggest?

[MelissaCato]

IMO "Anonymous" is a government black op

I kinda hope it is. All the Legions of Merit, SAD, SOD and Navy SEALs in a fairy tale to save America as founded .. that's sound like hope to me.

Wishfull thinking huh ? :cool:

[ClydeCoulter]

What's the saying "Until you see the whites of their eyes" through the scope?

[wrestlingwes_8]

Sure certain videos and statements that are claimed to be "Anonymous" might be agent provocateurs but the majority of them are true liberty-lovers.

I find it appalling how so many people on this forum are so quick to chastise and ridicule other groups who's interests are in-line with liberty. Shame, shame, shame on all of you.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

True
But I have to ask,, for those that are speaking against this video, What exactly do you disagree with?

What part of the speech was incorrect? untrue?

Well, there was that one part about goddamn democracy, as though the terms republic and democracy are interchangeable. But that's a very minor point, just to pick nits.

Remember, anonymous is everyone and no one. Seems as though a lot of people have been breaking rules 1 and 2, lol.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Sure certain videos and statements that are claimed to be "Anonymous" might be agent provocateurs but the majority of them are true liberty-lovers.

I find it appalling how so many people on this forum are so quick to chastise and ridicule other groups who's interests are in-line with liberty. Shame, shame, shame on all of you.

this

[compromise]

Anonymous tried to target Ron Paul during Operation Blitzkreig.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hunting-nazis-anonymous-snares-ron-paul-operation-blitzkrieg

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Remember, anonymous is not a "group" that is "led" by any one person. A individual Op may reflect the desire of one or one millions of people. Getting worked up about anything anonymous does is akin to pissing in an ocean of piss.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Based on what many have said in this thread about Anonymous not having done anything significant, I get the impression people aren't aware of what they have managed to do.

Here is a in-depth list of actions they have undertaken.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29

I found this documentary to be enlightening.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQl0P2L06Qw

I for one think they are making waves. If anything, they are bringing about an awareness to much of what we are trying to do by working within the confines of the system. I also know a few of the hacktivists have paid dearly for their actions with prison sentences.

[Natural Citizen]

This is dangerous stuff. I don't trust people who come out and call for this. NO ONE in the liberty movement should allow themselves to be provoked into something like this. It's EXACTLY what the powers that be are waiting for. A REASON. Calmer and logical minds must prevail.

Well, that's exactly right there Ms. "libertygrl". As such, Anonymous will have a name. Problem...Reaction...Solution.

[pcosmar]

Anonymous tried to target Ron Paul during Operation Blitzkreig.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hunting-nazis-anonymous-snares-ron-paul-operation-blitzkrieg

NOPE.
Many anons were Ron Paul supporters (if you ever bothered going to sites were they converse).
That was an action by a couple individuals using the Anonymous name, and was generally disregarded by the "collective".

There are other people that use the Anonymous name for personal agendas.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

This is turning into a productive conversation...first, we're trying to define that which cannot be defined, and now, we're discussing whether or not that is something that is a "good" thing, something that can be supported...since we're all activists here, same as Occupiers or anonymous, I'm going to help you fine people out. Here's a definition of anon from ED, written by an oldfag many many moons ago. It sums things up quite succinctly, as I break rules 1 & 2:

Anonymous is void of human restraints, such as pity and mercy. Those who perform reckless actions (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/******) or oppose Anonymous (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Fucktard) will be eliminated (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Pwnd).Failure (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Fail) is not tolerated. Enemies (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Scientology) are to be dealt with swiftly and efficiently. Anonymous must work as one. Anonymous is everyone and noone (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Noone). You (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/You) are. I am. Everyone is. Anonymous is humanity (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Human) when the gloves come off. Anonymous is legion and its deeds are legend. What most people do not see in anonymous is that they do not go up against Scientology because of their ways, nor do anonymous do anything else for a valid reason. Anonymous in itself is a free-joining attention seeking "cult" as it may be referred to. They go up against Scientology so that they attract attention, moar (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Moar) people join, they become more confident and repeat. Anonymous is the only immortal (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Immortal) troll (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Troll) on the internet (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Internet), which means they will never (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Never) be banned (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Banned). Basically this is the Soviet Union (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Russia) all over again.
Anonymous is infinity divided by 0.= Syntax error (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Divide_by_zero).
Anonymous is not a person (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Jesus), nor is it a group (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/IVG), movement (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Anonymous_Borg) or cause (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chanology): Anonymous is a collective of people with too much time on their hands, a commune of human thought and useless imagery. A gathering of sheep and fools, assholes (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Assholes) andtrolls (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Trolls), and normal everyday (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/NORP) netizens. An anonymous collective, left to its own devices, quickly builds its own society out ofrage (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Rage) and hate (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Internet_Hate_Machine). Anonymous can be anyone from well-meaning college kids with highly idiosyncratic senses of humor trying to save people from Scientology, to devious nihilist hackers, to clever nerds, to thirteen year old boys who speak entirely in in-jokes on an endless quest for porn, to 16 year old girls (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/16_year_old_girls) posting pictures of their B-cups because they think they look good, to potential rapists browsing through MySpace (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/MySpace) to find some 16 year old girls (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/16_year_old_girls) posting pictures of their B-cups because they think they look good. Furries are not included among the ranks of Anonymous due to their supreme******ry (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/******). For this same reason all furfags (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Furfags) are destroyed within .666 (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Satan) seconds of facing the power of Anonymous.
Anonymous is not so much unlike other web communities, it has in-jokes (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Joke), culture, extended debates (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Flame_wars), etc, just like everyone else. Well, anyone stupid enough to join a web community. The difference, and the reason they visit other communities is that Anonymous have a need to be harassed by "nannying" moderators (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Mod). They hate being denied late night sleepovers. Here, there isn't anyone to do that - yet long and productive edit wars spring up at about the rate you'd never tolerate elsewhere, on topics you'd never believe. They have no leader, no pretentious douchebag president or group thereof to set in stone what Anonymous is and is not about. This makes them impossible to control or organize. Not really a collective at all - more like a stampede of coked-up lemmings (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Lemmings). They don't dare to lead for will but rather break the "bridge" instead. And since it's all made out of Legos, fuck it.
Starting as an in-joke itself, "Anonymous" is the name assigned to a poster who does not enter text in the [Name] field onchan (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chan) imageboards. Anonymous is not a single person, but rather, represents the collective whole of the internet (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/The_internet). One time some *** declared that AnonOps (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/AnonOps) was actually Anonymous, and not just a completely infiltrated and manipulated front-end for the lying mainstream media. Within approximately 1999 femtoseconds AnonOps disintegrated forever.
As individuals, they can be intelligent, rational, emotional and empathetic. As a mass, a group, they are devoid of humanity and mercy. Never before in the history of humanity has there once been such a morass, a terrible network of the peer-pressure that forces people to become one, become evil. Welcome to the soulless mass of blunt immorality known only as the Internet.
The first rule of Anonymous is you do not talk about~ [Anonymous].

[tangent4ronpaul]

What would you suggest?

Figuring out who our supporters are and establishing a communications network would be a good start.

-t

[V3n]

NOPE.
Many anons were Ron Paul supporters (if you ever bothered going to sites were they converse).
That was an action by a couple individuals using the Anonymous name, and was generally disregarded by the "collective".

There are other people that use the Anonymous name for personal agendas.

I would swear I saw a tweet from one of the 'recognized' Anonymous twittererers that (not the word endorse) but said Ron Paul was their favorite candidate for 'being the most transparent' - something along those lines. I can see it in my head, but I haven't been able to find it on the webz.

[MRK]

How does one ever know if it is really 'anonymous'. Isn't that basically anyone who calls themselves that?

Yes. This is the thing that Media reports would always leave out. It was common knowledge in the 90's and early 2000's that when an anonymous pulled a prank on a website that it was just someone calling themselves Anonymous, in an attempt to make it seem like the action was bigger than just the one person who did it. Unfortunately media picked up on the anonymous as a group idea but nearly always fails to remind the reader that this was a posting made by one guy, not necessarily a group.