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FrankRep
01-22-2013, 12:30 AM
Beware of Conspiracy Theories About Sandy Hook (http://www.lewrockwell.com/ventura/sandy-hook-shooting.html)


Jesse Ventura | LewRockwell.com
January 22, 2013


“I don’t see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event.



* Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes.

* Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes.

* Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes.

* Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event.


Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot.

Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don’t see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can’t expect them to pull off elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy “smoking guns” for us to find.

It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it.

It’s very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell “Fire!” just because someone makes a Youtube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas.

Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called “evidence” of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us “conspiracy theorists”, us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the “crackpot” brush.

Constitutional Paulicy
01-22-2013, 01:21 AM
Well, I have to say it's nice to hear some reservations about Sandy Hook and the allegations of conspiracy coming from those spearheading the fight for truth.

Anti Federalist
01-22-2013, 01:45 AM
Research, research, research

Valid points.

dbill27
01-22-2013, 03:12 AM
sounds like jesse has been compromised. He's one of them now.

RonPaulFanInGA
01-22-2013, 03:48 AM
9/11 was an inside job.
Jared Loughner was a false flag.
James Holmes was a false flag.
Adam Lanza was a false flag.

Some people apparently do not believe anything bad can ever happen without the government's direct involvement. The "government is always completely innocent, there are no conspiracies ever" crowd and the "every tragic event that receives widespread coverage is a secret government plot" crowd are just two sides of the same crazy coin.

dbill27
01-22-2013, 04:03 AM
9/11 was an inside job.
Jared Loughner was a false flag.
James Holmes was a false flag.
Adam Lanza was a false flag.

Some people apparently do not believe anything bad can ever happen without the government's direct involvement. The "government is always completely innocent, there are no conspiracies ever" crowd and the "every tragic event that receives widespread coverage is a secret government plot" crowd are just two sides of the same crazy coin.

according to jesse ventura, even the sandy hook conspiracy theories are a conspiracy to make 2nd amendment supporters look crazy.

thoughtomator
01-22-2013, 04:06 AM
"birther conspiracy"? How much more evidence do we need that Barack Obama is not who we are told he is? All records sealed plus an indisputably forged document announced with language carefully crafted for plausible deniability?

dbill27
01-22-2013, 04:16 AM
How much more evidence do we need that Barack Obama is not who we are told he is?

Do you actually have ANY evidence?

dbill27
01-22-2013, 04:17 AM
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UMULAS
01-23-2013, 08:48 AM
I'm going to agree with Jesse on this one.

Most of the arguments that Sandy Hook was a false flag deserves to p provide evidence on the cause of happening.

I'm willing to look at any evidence of the event, but more are just stupid.

- The "actors" are just parents, some laughed as a psychological issue when reporting it.

- Just because we don't know about Adam Lanza doesn't mean he doesn't exist (Though I REALY want more info on this guy)

- Most of the kids and ambulences left the scene already

- The reason why the military has come in cause there was a shoot out going on (though I believe the job could have been done by just sending squad members)

- The "other men" are not configured to be hard evidence. Why? Because only 1 kid reported it and the guy in the forest was just a person walking towards the school for crafting with other kids.

================================================== ======

Now here are my questions:


WHO IS ADAM LANZLA?

Why is it that nearly no one knew him (maybe he was an isolated guy with anti-social issues {by anti-social I mean crazy stuff he did})?

Why did they sent the military?

Why are people taking this event seriously? There has been mass murders 10x more extreme than this and this was put in naitonal spotlight for week now.

================================================== =========

I mean, I believe that the government could have took this oppurtunity to take away the secound amendment, not everything is from the government.

We can't believe that the government did charles manson massacre now could we?

ClydeCoulter
01-23-2013, 09:27 AM
Do you actually have ANY evidence?

The real evidence is sealed, only the forgeries are public.

AdamT
01-23-2013, 09:42 AM
This thing is up over 11 million views now. The actor playing a grieving parent at 8:00 really raised my interest. It's 100% completely obvious he is an actor, I mean wtf, why??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

JK/SEA
01-23-2013, 09:44 AM
the Texas college shooting media coverage is suspect. Did it happen...i think so, but then again, i wasn't there, but 3 days of media coverage over college gun fire where no one was killed versus a shooting south of Seattle where people were hurt and no national coverage makes me laugh....

OH NO!!!!...gun shots at .......... (pick a school) and now non stop national media coverage...calling Pierce Morgan....you're on....

kcchiefs6465
01-23-2013, 09:49 AM
I'm going to agree with Jesse on this one.

Most of the arguments that Sandy Hook was a false flag deserves to p provide evidence on the cause of happening.

I'm willing to look at any evidence of the event, but more are just stupid.

- The "actors" are just parents, some laughed as a psychological issue when reporting it.

- Just because we don't know about Adam Lanza doesn't mean he doesn't exist (Though I REALY want more info on this guy)

- Most of the kids and ambulences left the scene already

- The reason why the military has come in cause there was a shoot out going on (though I believe the job could have been done by just sending squad members)

- The "other men" are not configured to be hard evidence. Why? Because only 1 kid reported it and the guy in the forest was just a person walking towards the school for crafting with other kids.

================================================== ======

Now here are my questions:


WHO IS ADAM LANZLA?

Why is it that nearly no one knew him (maybe he was an isolated guy with anti-social issues {by anti-social I mean crazy stuff he did})?

Why did they sent the military?

Why are people taking this event seriously? There has been mass murders 10x more extreme than this and this was put in naitonal spotlight for week now.
================================================== =========

I mean, I believe that the government could have took this oppurtunity to take away the secound amendment, not everything is from the government.

We can't believe that the government did charles manson massacre now could we?
What incident are you referring to? 26 people being killed is as bad of a mass murder as we've ever seen.

It is obvious that Sandy Hook is being used propagate more gun control. It is also obvious that the media sensationalizing events such as these will create more copycats who instead of just killing themselves, will attempt to gain instant notoriety while possibly having people discuss the perceived wrongs that were done to them i.e. bullying. The new shootings will receive more and more media attention. This will create more hysteria for gun control. Particularly large capacity magazines and 'assault weapons.' It will also create more copycats. Prescription SSRIs and SSNRIs also play a role in this. The only thing that is for certain is that these shootings will never completely stop happening no matter how many more gun laws they pass. The uneducated (propagandized) majority is a few mass shootings away from overwhelmingly supporting a new AWB as well as ammuntion/magazine restrictions. The new legislation that will (undoubtedly; eventually) be passed will only hinder your ability to protect yourself and your family should you ever find yourself in a mass shooting. The MSM will never report (and if they do, it will be to further restrict your freedoms) that the levels of these murder/suicides has not decreased with more gun regulations. It is all the more likely that the body toll will be ever higher considering that it will become certain that no one is armed and able to take out the shooter. Some very sickening trends are before us. (murder/suicide mass shootings, indoctrinated sheep believing the government/police have the responsibility to protect them etc.)

Oh, and as to the OP, Jesse Ventura is 100 percent correct. If you even mention that Sandy Hook has some peculiar circumstances aside from here, anything you ever say after, will be disregarded as loony babble. I would try to educate people on the institutionalizing of the Federal Reserve (which a large number of people STILL don't know about) before jumping into Sandy Hook false flag allegations.

kcchiefs6465
01-23-2013, 09:52 AM
the Texas college shooting media coverage is suspect. Did it happen...i think so, but then again, i wasn't there, but 3 days of media coverage over college gun fire where no one was killed versus a shooting south of Seattle where people were hurt and no national coverage makes me laugh....

OH NO!!!!...gun shots at .......... (pick a school) and now non stop national media coverage...calling Pierce Morgan....you're on....
That doesn't have anything to do with it being a false flag. It has to do with their agenda. People hardly even read these articles. They see their smart phone news say "X Shot at School" and they are all for more gun regulations. It doesn't matter the severity. (whether it's a targeted killing or mass shooting) Every single school shooting is going to be national news.

pcosmar
01-23-2013, 09:59 AM
Testilying


Police perjury (or testilying in United States police slang) is the act of a police officer giving false testimony. It is typically used in a criminal trial to "make the case" against a defendant who the police believe to be guilty when minor irregularities during the suspect's arrest or search threaten to result in acquittal on a technicality. It has broader meanings. It also can be extended further to encompass substantive misstatements of fact for the purpose of convicting those whom the police believe to be guilty, or even to include statements to frame an innocent citizen.[1] More generically, it has been said to be: "Lying under oath, especially by a police officer, to help get a conviction."

Routine,, Commonplace..
Accepted reality, so much so that there is a word for it.

There are good reason for the doubts and theories. I have serious doubts that the event(as presented) is in any way similar to what really happened.
And not just media reporting,,, I watched from the beginning. It was posted here as a breaking story..And there were statements from the police themselves.
Then stories changed..

Think about it,,
if some dumbass tripped over his dick, and fired,,and everyone else fired (as they commonly do) and lit up a room full of kids..

Are they going to report that as such?

NO I don't believe this story for a second.

kcchiefs6465
01-23-2013, 10:04 AM
Testilying


Routine,, Commonplace..
Accepted reality, so much so that there is a word for it.

There are good reason for the doubts and theories. I have serious doubts that the event(as presented) is in any way similar to what really happened.
And not just media reporting,,, I watched from the beginning. It was posted here as a breaking story..And there were statements from the police themselves.
Then stories changed..

Think about it,,
if some dumbass tripped over his dick, and fired,,and everyone else fired (as they commonly do) and lit up a room full of kids..
Are they going to report that as such?

NO I don't believe this story for a second.
Hmm. I could see that scenario playing out.

AFPVet
01-23-2013, 10:15 AM
Evidently, Mr. Ventura hasn't listened to the scanner tapes or watched them pull Adam's AR-15 out of the trunk (which is significant because the medical examiner said the victims suffered rifle wounds).

I liked his show back when he actually did real research... he's just a showbiz guy now like the rest of them. They scared him off after his reporting of the FEMA camps... we won't be seeing any more real reporting from Mr. Ventura.

Sorry, but he's lost all credibility in my view.

loveableteddybear
01-23-2013, 10:18 AM
This thing is up over 11 million views now. The actor playing a grieving parent at 8:00 really raised my interest. It's 100% completely obvious he is an actor, I mean wtf, why??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8
Whoa, that just opened my eyes. A short clip of just that sadistic wacko needs to be out there.

KingNothing
01-23-2013, 10:19 AM
So if Jesse the Lunatic Ventura says it wasn't a conspiracy, will all of the other lunatics fall in line?

thoughtomator
01-23-2013, 10:19 AM
Do you actually have ANY evidence?

You mean, an unambiguously forged document released by the WH itself? It stands to reason that there is no reason to forge a document if a genuine one exists. That all his other records that would definitively shed light on the situation (e.g. school records) are sealed is a matter of public record, as is the total lack of anyone who remembers Obama from his time at Columbia, as are the extremely suspicious actions at the Hawaii department of records. Look up what the Arapio group has uncovered - where there's smoke, there's fire, and the smoke permeates everything about Obama.

KingNothing
01-23-2013, 10:20 AM
Hmm. I could see that scenario playing out.

Yes, I think it happened in True Romance.

Brian Coulter
01-23-2013, 10:28 AM
"This message is hidden because KingNothing is on your ignore list." as is the rest of the Sunsteinian brigade. I have no interest in anything this trolling cunt has to say.

jmdrake
01-23-2013, 10:28 AM
9/11 was an inside job.
Jared Loughner was a false flag.
James Holmes was a false flag.
Adam Lanza was a false flag.

Some people apparently do not believe anything bad can ever happen without the government's direct involvement. The "government is always completely innocent, there are no conspiracies ever" crowd and the "every tragic event that receives widespread coverage is a secret government plot" crowd are just two sides of the same crazy coin.

Fair statement. Every tragic event that receives widespread coverage does at least deserve to be looked into. (Some that don't receive widespread coverage deserve to be looked into as well like the U.S.S. Liberty or the overthrow of Mossadeq in Iran.) One corollary to all of this is that those who think "the government is always completely innocent" are quick to call any questioning of official stories as "saying the government did it" when sometimes the questioning is of the manipulation of the event rather than the event itself. For example, I have yet to see Alex Jones come out and call Sandy Hook a "false flag". In fact he hasn't gone any further than Ben Swann on the issue. But folks say otherwise because it's "Alex Jones".

kcchiefs6465
01-23-2013, 10:45 AM
Yes, I think it happened in True Romance.
137 Shots Fired in 20 Seconds (http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/05/east-cleveland-cops-fire-137-shots-in-20)

31 Shots Kill Unarmed Man Who was Soon to Be Married (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell#Shooting_incident)

41 Shots Kill Man Reaching for His Wallet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo)

Oh, and AF, if you could refresh my memory of the incidence where the SWAT team was looking for a murder suspect at the suspect's father's house. One cop shot and over thirty shots followed up from around the house. The father's dog was killed and another cop was hit by friendly fire. There was a very good picture of the bullet grouping. (I counted 29 shots in a relatively tight group if I recall correctly) +a million rep if you can remember the incident I'm thinking of. Looked for a while and can't find it.

ETA: And not to mention that there was a few other family members around the house at the time. And you know what, I just thought of the one you posted on Revbox. BRB for another edit.

ETA: +Rep for that story
Cops Shoot at Unarmed Man 123 Times While Granddaughter Hides in Bath Tub.. Plant Gun Once They Determine the 73 Year Old Was Unarmed.. Cops Acquitted of All Charges (No Murder Charges Filed) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/raid-of-the-day-richard-b_n_2526473.html?utm_hp_ref=the-agitator)

KingNothing
01-23-2013, 10:56 AM
"This message is hidden because KingNothing is on your ignore list." as is the rest of the Sunsteinian brigade. I have no interest in anything this trolling cunt has to say.


Hi, nice to meet you.

UMULAS
01-23-2013, 12:15 PM
Whoa, that just opened my eyes. A short clip of just that sadistic wacko needs to be out there.


Most of the things in the video as already been debunked.

http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/


I will however keep researching on the part 2 video.


But still.

WHO IS THAT ADAM GUY?!

loveableteddybear
01-23-2013, 12:17 PM
Most of the things in the video as already been debunked.

http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/


I will however keep researching on the part 2 video.


But still.

WHO IS THAT ADAM GUY?!
Not the whole video, that insensitive "father" who appeared like an actor.

UMULAS
01-23-2013, 12:26 PM
Not the whole video, that insensitive "father" who appeared like an actor.

Again, people GREIF in different ways.

Now I'm not going to reject the "actor" idea nor will I reject the psychologists idea of grief.

People grief in many ways, some by nervous laughing while other just scream and cry. The father had the nervous laugh while later on appearing on the news. It's quite normal! People show off and act differently then they would if they had a camera on their head, remember that "weird" doctor in the video?

PaulConventionWV
01-23-2013, 12:46 PM
Valid points. +rep to Jesse

PaulConventionWV
01-23-2013, 12:50 PM
I'm going to agree with Jesse on this one.

Most of the arguments that Sandy Hook was a false flag deserves to p provide evidence on the cause of happening.

I'm willing to look at any evidence of the event, but more are just stupid.

- The "actors" are just parents, some laughed as a psychological issue when reporting it.

- Just because we don't know about Adam Lanza doesn't mean he doesn't exist (Though I REALY want more info on this guy)

- Most of the kids and ambulences left the scene already

- The reason why the military has come in cause there was a shoot out going on (though I believe the job could have been done by just sending squad members)

- The "other men" are not configured to be hard evidence. Why? Because only 1 kid reported it and the guy in the forest was just a person walking towards the school for crafting with other kids.

================================================== ======

Now here are my questions:


WHO IS ADAM LANZLA?

Why is it that nearly no one knew him (maybe he was an isolated guy with anti-social issues {by anti-social I mean crazy stuff he did})?

Why did they sent the military?

Why are people taking this event seriously? There has been mass murders 10x more extreme than this and this was put in naitonal spotlight for week now.

================================================== =========

I mean, I believe that the government could have took this oppurtunity to take away the secound amendment, not everything is from the government.

We can't believe that the government did charles manson massacre now could we?

Ok, but I have a question, too. Why were the websites created on Dec. 12th?

Anti Federalist
01-23-2013, 12:58 PM
137 Shots Fired in 20 Seconds (http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/05/east-cleveland-cops-fire-137-shots-in-20)

31 Shots Kill Unarmed Man Who was Soon to Be Married (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell#Shooting_incident)

41 Shots Kill Man Reaching for His Wallet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo)

Oh, and AF, if you could refresh my memory of the incidence where the SWAT team was looking for a murder suspect at the suspect's father's house. One cop shot and over thirty shots followed up from around the house. The father's dog was killed and another cop was hit by friendly fire. There was a very good picture of the bullet grouping. (I counted 29 shots in a relatively tight group if I recall correctly) +a million rep if you can remember the incident I'm thinking of. Looked for a while and can't find it.

ETA: And not to mention that there was a few other family members around the house at the time. And you know what, I just thought of the one you posted on Revbox. BRB for another edit.

ETA: +Rep for that story
Cops Shoot at Unarmed Man 123 Times While Granddaughter Hides in Bath Tub.. Plant Gun Once They Determine the 73 Year Old Was Unarmed.. Cops Acquitted of All Charges (No Murder Charges Filed) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/raid-of-the-day-richard-b_n_2526473.html?utm_hp_ref=the-agitator)

Was it this one?

http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/10/st-paul-cops-shoot-dog-in-wrong-door-rai

My god, when you asked me that, I realized just how many of these things there are, and how they all run together anymore.

Fuck...War on Us. :mad:

Anti Federalist
01-23-2013, 01:07 PM
Valid points. +rep to Jesse

I thought so too.

I don't know why this concept is so hard for some coincidence theorists...I look at each occurrence, and base my perception and opinion of what happened based on the facts at hand.

Sometimes things are a "conspiracy".

Sometimes things are covered up after the fact.

Sometimes just bad shit happens and is seized on by the powers that be to strip even more freedom away.

In this case, I think the latter happened. The "conspiracy" in this case is the Big Government/Big Pharma complex and their mind addling psychotropic drugs and happy pills.

I think the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident is one of the second types.

And I am convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that 9/11 and OKC are instances of the first order.

Where highly placed people within government had clear foreknowledge of future events, and, rather than take action to stop them, actually hands on facilitated them, helped and allowed them to occur.

UMULAS
01-23-2013, 01:17 PM
Ok, but I have a question, too. Why were the websites created on Dec. 12th?

Google Search engines aren't the best and most efficient web browers for information, that's why you see time errors.

You can google Sand Hook massacre 2011 or 2012 before that time and you'll find it.

The only thing that I want to see is how did they change time dates of a girl killed when there was no history of it; maybe admin priveledges causing to remove the history making the page of only 10 likes viral on the internet.

dannno
01-23-2013, 01:17 PM
The Aurora shooting was such a clear case of inside job that failed in convincing the population to instate gun control, very little evidence is required for me to start to question the Sandy Hook shooting which was clearly designed to increase pressure and push some who were on the fence on gun control over the edge. I need some questions answered.

UMULAS
01-23-2013, 01:18 PM
The Aurora shooting was such a clear case of inside job that failed in convincing the population to instate gun control, very little evidence is required for me to start to question the Sandy Hook shooting which was clearly designed to increase pressure and push some who were on the fence on gun control over the edge. I need some questions answered.

Again, you need evidence to support this... I want evidence.

dannno
01-23-2013, 01:20 PM
Again, you need evidence to support this... I want evidence.

Aurora or Sandy Hook?

There's plenty fishy about both.

dannno
01-23-2013, 01:27 PM
First of all, every shooter in Aurora and Sandy Hook all had masks on so there are literally zero witnesses of who did the shootings because they couldn't see their faces.

We have reports of multiple shooters and multiple masks were found in Aurora. Reports that at least two were involved the the initial stages, the 'shooter' talking on a cell phone then going over and holding open the exit door. Then we end up with a suspect who was drugged and emotionless and there is zero evidence that I'm aware of that he was actually involved in the shooting other than the fact that he was found outside the theater with gear. Obviously somebody could have dropped him off there, drugged, with all that gear. Watch an old episode of Matlock or something, that's enough evidence to aquit James Holmes in a court of law.

So now can anybody prove WHO DID the Aurora shooting? Or is it back to the drawing board?

dannno
01-23-2013, 01:32 PM
Great, so we have strong evidence that the government is involved in a false flag to try and take away our 2nd amendment rights (Aurora). Except it doesn't work, surveys show America is unaffected.

BAM. A school shooting where about a couple dozen school children are slaughtered. A guy running away from police in cargo gear (if he was innocent, why did he run?). Every piece of info that comes out about this incident during the initial stages is wrong, confusing the fuck out of everybody. This is a great technique because it allows the establishment to piece the story together later however they want.

It really doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going on here.

Tod
01-23-2013, 02:07 PM
There are so many unanswered questions and very weird things that went on with this that I would not be the least bit surprised if it were a false flag. On the other hand, I don't have any unequivocal evidence that it was a false flag.

So, as I think Jesse is trying to say much less articulately than Ron: Keep your eye on the really big indisputable stuff, like how the Fed is fleecing us, etc because there is more than enough there for us to tackle.

kcchiefs6465
01-23-2013, 02:09 PM
Was it this one?

http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/10/st-paul-cops-shoot-dog-in-wrong-door-rai

My god, when you asked me that, I realized just how many of these things there are, and how they all run together anymore.

Fuck...War on Us. :mad:
Nope. That isn't that one. Though that one could argueably be just as bad if not worse. Yeah I know what ya mean. I know the story was posted on here but aside from that no one gave a shit edgewise. :mad: Another pet dead, another 30-40 rifle rounds fired through a crowded occupancy, and the world moves on. It really is a shame there are so many incidents like these yearly you can't seperate one from the other. Google is about damn worthless in that effect.

kcchiefs6465
01-23-2013, 02:13 PM
There are so many unanswered questions and very weird things that went on with this that I would not be the least bit surprised if it were a false flag. On the other hand, I don't have any unequivocal evidence that it was a false flag.

So, as I think Jesse is trying to say much less articulately than Ron: Keep your eye on the really big indisputable stuff, like how the Fed is fleecing us, etc because there is more than enough there for us to tackle.
THIS. We still have people that do not know that the dollar is not backed by anything.

qh4dotcom
01-23-2013, 02:25 PM
according to jesse ventura, even the sandy hook conspiracy theories are a conspiracy to make 2nd amendment supporters look crazy.

The overwhelming majority of 2nd amendment supporters were crazy enough to support and vote for two certified gun grabbers like Obama and Romney last November.

Brian Coulter
01-23-2013, 02:47 PM
Great, so we have strong evidence that the government is involved in a false flag to try and take away our 2nd amendment rights (Aurora). Except it doesn't work, surveys show America is unaffected.

BAM. A school shooting where about a couple dozen school children are slaughtered. A guy running away from police in cargo gear (if he was innocent, why did he run?). Every piece of info that comes out about this incident during the initial stages is wrong, confusing the fuck out of everybody. This is a great technique because it allows the establishment to piece the story together later however they want.

It really doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going on here.

Has anyone ever addressed why the Newtown Bee published a postmortem interview with the dead principal? Are they the Sextons, or are they the Phelps'? They are clearly the same people whoever the hell they are.

PatriotOne
01-23-2013, 03:03 PM
I liked his show back when he actually did real research... he's just a showbiz guy now like the rest of them. They scared him off after his reporting of the FEMA camps... we won't be seeing any more real reporting from Mr. Ventura.

Sorry, but he's lost all credibility in my view.

One should take a closer look at his sidekick on the show. One red flag after another.

June Sarpong (Most Excellent Order of the British Empire )

http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/bios.html

June Sarpong has enjoyed a 15-year career which has already seen her become one of the most recognizable faces of British television, as well as being one of the UK's most intelligent and dynamic young hosts. Sarpong is a media phenomenon and is the only host of her generation that is equally comfortable interviewing politicians, celebrities and members of the public. For eight years Sarpong was the female face of T4, one of UK Channel 4's most successful and long-standing homegrown series. Her interviewees include some of the world's biggest names, such as Sir Elton John, 50 Cent, George Clooney, Halle Berry, Britney Spears, Will Smith and Nicole Kidman as well as dignitaries and politicians including Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Tony Blair, Nelson Mandela and Gordon Brown. Sarpong has also taken on the world's most challenging live audiences, hosting 2005's major Make Poverty History event in London's Trafalgar Square and presenting at the UK leg of Live Earth in 2007. In 2008 alongside Will Smith, she also hosted Nelson Mandela's 90th Birthday celebration in front of 30,000 people in London's Hyde Park.

Sarpong has worked extensively with HRH Prince Charles for 10 years as an ambassador for his charity the Prince's Trust. She also campaigns for The One and Product (RED). Sarpong was awarded an MBE (Member of the British Empire) on the Queen's 2007 New Year's honours list for her services to broadcasting and charity, making her (along with Princess Anne's daughter Zarah Phillips) one of the youngest people to receive an MBE.

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AngryCanadian
01-23-2013, 03:06 PM
I have to disagree with Jesse Ventura on this one.

mport1
01-23-2013, 03:18 PM
9/11 was an inside job.
Jared Loughner was a false flag.
James Holmes was a false flag.
Adam Lanza was a false flag.

Some people apparently do not believe anything bad can ever happen without the government's direct involvement. The "government is always completely innocent, there are no conspiracies ever" crowd and the "every tragic event that receives widespread coverage is a secret government plot" crowd are just two sides of the same crazy coin.

You've nailed it. +rep

pcosmar
01-23-2013, 03:27 PM
Has anyone ever addressed why the Newtown Bee published a postmortem interview with the dead principal? Are they the Sextons, or are they the Phelps'? They are clearly the same people whoever the hell they are.

Perhaps she was not dead yet when she gave a statement.

The first interview with the police chief mentioned 3 dead (including the "shooter") and .223 used.
If they had been in and found the dead,, why no mention of the children?

There are too many questions with this story to even develop a "theory",, and enough to discount the published story as complete bullshit.

Anti Federalist
01-23-2013, 03:34 PM
Nope. That isn't that one. Though that one could argueably be just as bad if not worse. Yeah I know what ya mean. I know the story was posted on here but aside from that no one gave a shit edgewise. :mad: Another pet dead, another 30-40 rifle rounds fired through a crowded occupancy, and the world moves on. It really is a shame there are so many incidents like these yearly you can't seperate one from the other. Google is about damn worthless in that effect.

Was it that apartment house raid in Milwaukee?

Anti Federalist
01-23-2013, 03:35 PM
nvm

QuickZ06
01-23-2013, 04:09 PM
So lizard people is a bit more realistic to do a whole show on but this, nah. Jesse Ventura is confusing the shit outta me.

kcchiefs6465
01-23-2013, 04:11 PM
So lizard people is a bit more realistic to do a whole show on but this, nah. Jesse Ventura is confusing the shit outta me.
Lmao. Good point.

PaulConventionWV
01-23-2013, 04:39 PM
Hi, nice to meet you.

You haven't met him. This is the internet.

PaulConventionWV
01-23-2013, 04:48 PM
So lizard people is a bit more realistic to do a whole show on but this, nah. Jesse Ventura is confusing the shit outta me.

It's not like he's just trying to be the craziest person out there. Some things he believes and others he doesn't not just because one is crazier than the other. Maybe, just maybe, he considers and weighs the facts of each case. As far as I know, he doesn't actually believe in lizard people.

Danke
01-23-2013, 04:57 PM
Ben Swann brought up the fact that there were surveillance of these properties. And those tapes have not been release.

Anti Federalist
01-23-2013, 05:03 PM
Ben Swann brought up the fact that there were surveillance of these properties. And those tapes have not been release.

That's always a good indicator that something is fucked.

Months from now: "The security system, unfortunately, malfunctioned."

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
01-23-2013, 05:05 PM
Beware of Conspiracy Theories About Sandy Hook (http://www.lewrockwell.com/ventura/sandy-hook-shooting.html)


Jesse Ventura | LewRockwell.com
January 22, 2013


“I don’t see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event.



* Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes.

* Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes.

* Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes.

* Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event.


Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot.

Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don’t see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can’t expect them to pull off elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy “smoking guns” for us to find.

It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it.

It’s very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell “Fire!” just because someone makes a Youtube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas.

Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called “evidence” of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us “conspiracy theorists”, us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the “crackpot” brush.

And just how in the hell did the infomercialized federal news media manage to take a tragedy that happened way up in the northeast and manage to twist it all around to point a naughty puritan finger blaming a racist, gun toting south? Don't try telling me that the plan to misinform wasn't already hashed out prior to this tragedy taking place, whether real or not.

phill4paul
01-23-2013, 05:05 PM
Ben Swann brought up the fact that there were surveillance of these properties. And those tapes have not been release.


That's always a good indicator that something is fucked.

Months from now: "The security system, unfortunately, malfunctioned."

yep and yep.

pcosmar
01-23-2013, 05:06 PM
And those tapes have not been release.

Imagine that.

Anti Federalist
01-23-2013, 05:20 PM
Imagine that.

You're shocked as well?

UMULAS
01-23-2013, 06:07 PM
Great, so we have strong evidence that the government is involved in a false flag to try and take away our 2nd amendment rights (Aurora). Except it doesn't work, surveys show America is unaffected.

BAM. A school shooting where about a couple dozen school children are slaughtered. A guy running away from police in cargo gear (if he was innocent, why did he run?). Every piece of info that comes out about this incident during the initial stages is wrong, confusing the fuck out of everybody. This is a great technique because it allows the establishment to piece the story together later however they want.

It really doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going on here.


1_ The reason why the gun left was because of they shooting, he was scared like EVERY NORMAL person would when there was a shoot out, run!

2_ There is nothing confusing in the report, there was just overzealous reporters getting it run (hey it was a 8 hour news after the event , give me a break, you want hard core proof while they have to sort out who is lying, what is true and not)?

3_ It's called sorting it out, it's not the media that their suppose to get up to date news for profit, that's what everyone one does.

4_ Even if there was a mix up (that happened), still no evidence of government involvement.



First of all, every shooter in Aurora and Sandy Hook all had masks on so there are literally zero witnesses of who did the shootings because they couldn't see their faces.

We have reports of multiple shooters and multiple masks were found in Aurora. Reports that at least two were involved the the initial stages, the 'shooter' talking on a cell phone then going over and holding open the exit door. Then we end up with a suspect who was drugged and emotionless and there is zero evidence that I'm aware of that he was actually involved in the shooting other than the fact that he was found outside the theater with gear. Obviously somebody could have dropped him off there, drugged, with all that gear. Watch an old episode of Matlock or something, that's enough evidence to aquit James Holmes in a court of law.

So now can anybody prove WHO DID the Aurora shooting? Or is it back to the drawing board?

So what? Who cares if they had masks, that means that they were planning the attack. Most people of anti-social disorders are quite smart despite their sick deeds.

James Holmes had anti-social disorder thorugh other factors that caused him to this. However, I do agree that there could have been other factors.

But I want EVIDENCE!

dannno
01-23-2013, 06:39 PM
So what? Who cares if they had masks, that means that they were planning the attack.

Great, now that you're on the right track I want to know "who is "they"" in the Aurora shooting that was planning the attack and letting people in through the exit? Can you tell me?

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
01-23-2013, 06:44 PM
1_ The reason why the gun left was because of they shooting, he was scared like EVERY NORMAL person would when there was a shoot out, run!

2_ There is nothing confusing in the report, there was just overzealous reporters getting it run (hey it was a 8 hour news after the event , give me a break, you want hard core proof while they have to sort out who is lying, what is true and not)?

3_ It's called sorting it out, it's not the media that their suppose to get up to date news for profit, that's what everyone one does.

4_ Even if there was a mix up (that happened), still no evidence of government involvement.




So what? Who cares if they had masks, that means that they were planning the attack. Most people of anti-social disorders are quite smart despite their sick deeds.

James Holmes had anti-social disorder thorugh other factors that caused him to this. However, I do agree that there could have been other factors.

But I want EVIDENCE!

Okay, here is justification. Jesus was anti-social in how He avoided large crowds. He did feed the scum of the earth multitude which surprised his disciples who had already told them to get lost by going to the market to feed and take care of themselves.
Sociologists try to portray the "social" as being God. Yet, nothing is any more of a dumber place to be than in a crowd. A crowd is dumber than the dumbest beast. As Americans, we understand tyranny as being that entity located too much of a distance away to rule responsibly. This idea that a crowd is smarter than groups of individuals is a fallacy of the cognitive sciences. Most of modern science is in clear contempt of our Founding Fathers and the true American way.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
01-23-2013, 06:51 PM
Great, now that you're on the right track I want to know "who is "they"" in the Aurora shooting that was planning the attack and letting people in through the exit? Can you tell me?

What you find so unbelievable was easily believable back when the KGB did it against their people in the old Soviet Union. We are learning this fact now as our government no longer talks about how corrupt the old Soviet Union was. The CIA is the KGB. It is also the former British and Nazi intelligence agencies they adopted internally after World War Two. It is also, as we speak, absorbing the tactics utilized by the intelligence agencies in the Middle East. The full brunt of all these tactics are now being brought to bear to kick the asses of the American people.
As our Founders would say, the best any government can possibly be is "Soviet Regime." The Soviet Regime in charge of us really sucks!

Tpoints
01-23-2013, 07:37 PM
coming from Jesse Ventura, that means a lot!

NoOneButPaul
01-23-2013, 08:05 PM
coming from Jesse Ventura, that means a lot!

You would think if HE said it some people might actually get the point...

This is one absurd conspiracy theory.

Tpoints
01-23-2013, 08:39 PM
You would think if HE said it some people might actually get the point...

This is one absurd conspiracy theory.

Yeah, definitely.

He just got my attention :)

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
01-23-2013, 08:52 PM
Yeah, definitely.

He just got my attention :)

But this process is the best way to document evidence. I figured that is why they called it "alternate" news. It is absurd looking from the viewpoint of the emperor wearing clothing. From the point of view that he is a naked bastard, it does a really great job in my opinion. And, as we all know, regardless of what the news might say, tyranny is a naked bastard.

Slutter McGee
01-23-2013, 09:16 PM
"This message is hidden because KingNothing is on your ignore list." as is the rest of the Sunsteinian brigade. I have no interest in anything this trolling cunt has to say.

Fuck you. Calling somebody a c***. Fucking really? I don't even use the c word. God you are a dick.

Sincerely,

Slutter Mcgee

Dark_Horse_Rider
01-23-2013, 11:52 PM
Great, now that you're on the right track I want to know "who is "they"" in the Aurora shooting that was planning the attack and letting people in through the exit? Can you tell me?

wasn't there a " witness " giving impossible detail description of " shooter " ?

edit : can anyone find and post that clip ?