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tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 09:21 AM

http://www.news.com.au/technology/kim-dotcom-to-launch-megaupload-successor/story-e6frfro0-1226557093490

Dotcom's new venture, mega.co.nz, aims to recreate the success of his Megaupload empire, which boasted 50 million daily visitors and accounted for four per cent of all internet traffic before it was shut down after the police raid.

The 38-year-old, who changed his name from Kim Schmitz, remains free on bail in New Zealand as US authorities seek his extradition on a range of charges including money laundering, racketeering and copyright theft.

They allege Megaupload sites netted more than $US175 million ($A166.7 million) in criminal proceeds and cost copyright owners more than $US500 million by offering pirated copies of movies, TV shows, music and other content.

Dotcom denies any wrongdoing and the charges, which carry jail terms of up to 20 years, have not discouraged him from launching the new Mega service, which he has enthusiastically promoted on Twitter in recent weeks.

"I think you will be very happy with the new #Mega," he tweeted on Friday. "It's like time travel. We'll take you to the future".

The tech entrepreneur has promised an "epic" launch for the new site and even impersonated Willy Wonka to promote it at an Auckland shop on Thursday, handing out tubs of ice cream with golden tickets to the event hidden in them.

Details of the planned service are scarce, but the site promises to use state-of-the-art encryption methods that mean only users, not the site's administrators, know what they are uploading.

That would theoretically stop authorities from accusing administrators of knowingly aiding online piracy, the central allegation facing Dotcom.

Dotcom has said Mega will offer users 50GB of free storage, significantly more than similar sites such as Dropbox and Google Drive, but most details remain under wraps until they are unveiled on Sunday at the Dotcom Mansion.

The German national was preparing for his birthday party at the lavish Auckland property in January last year when armed police staged a dawn raid, tracking him down in a hidden panic room running off his bedroom.

Officers seized more than a dozen luxury cars, including a 1959 pink Cadillac, along with valuable artworks and a sawn-off shotgun, while Dotcom's bank accounts were frozen and he spent more than a month in jail.

Eventually freed on bail, his legal team have enjoyed a number of successes challenging the prosecution case, including a ruling that the police raid was illegal and a government admission that Dotcom was illegally spied upon before his arrest.

The extradition hearing is due to be heard in August.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e2HwRM9eBCs

-t

itshappening

01-19-2013, 09:49 AM

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 10:14 AM

I'm sure they will welcome becoming known as the "Swiss Bank" of data, where open source software is distributed, music from independent artists can be obtained, and being a new major player in the cloud. I doubt they will mind the tax revenues either.

This also has the potential to become the new YouTube or ViVo.

Personally, I won't shed any tears that my data can no longer be handed over to any Gvmt thug that asks for it.

Sure, it will be used to store some data that some people won't like - especially RIAA and MIAA. Do you seriously think that data you don't like doesn't already have plenty of homes in the worldwide cloud? Do you seriously think this site coming online will make any difference what so ever ON IMPOSING YOUR WILL AND MORALITY ON OTHERS BY GVMT FORCE?

Lets also be realistic. Mega used to be responsible for 4% of all internet traffic. Either "donkey shows" got a whole lot more popular while I wasn't paying attention or most people are downloading movies, TV shows, music and software.

You sound like a congress critter screaming about how they must steal more of our rights "for the children". Total straw man argument!

-t

itshappening

01-19-2013, 10:23 AM

itshappening

01-19-2013, 10:29 AM

it's also going to lead to more charges from the DoJ against him and any webhosts that collaborate with his effort to promote illegal, encrypted child porn.

The executives of the hosting providers that enable it will be fair game for international arrest warrants.

What can go wrong!

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 10:32 AM

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 10:32 AM

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itshappening

01-19-2013, 10:34 AM

Just like every other cloud based file or image hosting service has shut down because a tiny percentage of their traffic is frowned upon.

:rolleyes:

If there is any argument against it, it's copywrite infringement.

-t

The difference is most places aren't encrypting and take action against illegal behavior and co-operate with law enforcement.

Kim won't and therefore will get busted along with anyone who enables the distribution of child pornography by being part of it.

The indictments and arrest warrants will come down on the executives of hosting and telecommunications providers and New Zealand will be at the center of an international storm. I'm sure they're not going to want that image and will eventually kick him out.

QuickZ06

01-19-2013, 10:41 AM

And the irony in all this is that pirates spend 30% more on music than non-sharers.

itshappening

01-19-2013, 10:55 AM

And the irony in all this is that pirates spend 30% more on music than non-sharers.

what about pedo's ?

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 11:00 AM

And the irony in all this is that pirates spend 30% more on music than non-sharers.

I didn't know that. However, when I was using P2P more, I'd visit those sites that said if you like this band, you'll probably like this other one. I generally didn't like 90% of what I downloaded, but that remaining 10% had me going to the local CD/DVD store and buying a lot more disks than I would have otherwise after discovering new bands.

@itshappening: ssshhh! - I guess you didn't get the memo. Some people encrypt their files before uploading them then give a URL and password to those who they want to access the files.

EVERY company that offers this kind of a service has in their TOS "no illegal content" and will take it down if informed it exists.

There are quite a few pay services that offer automated ENCRYPTED backups of your HD. I'm also pretty sure the iPhone cloud is also encrypted. Oddly, DoJ isn't busting them left and right.

Remember SKYPE? It may still be encrypted, or maybe that's already gone. Micro$haft bought it and is putting in a backdoor to allow gvmt snooping. People are starting to look at other programs and quite a few are popping up.

-t

QuickZ06

01-19-2013, 11:07 AM

what about pedo's ?

You mean they never existed before the internet boom?

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:13 AM

You mean they never existed before the internet boom?

do pedo's spend money on music too?

does that make their crime of distributing child porn via mega's servers any less relevant?

jonhowe

01-19-2013, 11:15 AM

I used megaupload all the time and I never used it to access anything remotely like that. Why should Kim and I be punished for the crimes of others?

jonhowe

01-19-2013, 11:17 AM

do pedo's spend money on music too?

does that make their crime of distributing child porn via mega's servers any less relevant?

You almost get it. It is THEIR crime. Not his, and not mine.

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:18 AM

I didn't know that. However, when I was using P2P more, I'd visit those sites that said if you like this band, you'll probably like this other one. I generally didn't like 90% of what I downloaded, but that remaining 10% had me going to the local CD/DVD store and buying a lot more disks than I would have otherwise after discovering new bands.

@itshappening: ssshhh! - I guess you didn't get the memo. Some people encrypt their files before uploading them then give a URL and password to those who they want to access the files.

EVERY company that offers this kind of a service has in their TOS "no illegal content" and will take it down if informed it exists.

There are quite a few pay services that offer automated ENCRYPTED backups of your HD. I'm also pretty sure the iPhone cloud is also encrypted. Oddly, DoJ isn't busting them left and right.

Remember SKYPE? It may still be encrypted, or maybe that's already gone. Micro$haft bought it and is putting in a backdoor to allow gvmt snooping. People are starting to look at other programs and quite a few are popping up.

-t

The DoJ went after mega's internet hosting providers, just like they will indict the executives of any companies who are part of the latest scheme to distribute illegal content on a massive scale.

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:19 AM

You almost get it. It is THEIR crime. Not his, and not mine.

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:22 AM

I used megaupload all the time and I never used it to access anything remotely like that. Why should Kim and I be punished for the crimes of others?

Because the others are being tolerated and are engaging in illegal activity so the whole service has to be shut down, that's just the way it is.

And anyone connected with it like hosting providers can expect indictments once it can be proved to a Grand Jury that they're knowingly and willfully part of a child porn distribution network, which isn't hard to do because Kim's megaupload links will be all over Usenet and child porn forums along with warez and other infringing content.

Like I said, what can go wrong?

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:23 AM

I'm sure the New Zealand government are going to be delighted that they're going to be the center of promoting pedophile, rape, bestiality and incest pictures and movies. I'm sure that's just the image they want to portray to the world.

.... How would you know? Experience or anecdote. I'm guessing the former. You don't know what you are talking about. Ever heard of TOR?

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:25 AM

.... How would you know? Experience or anecdote. I'm guessing the former. You don't know what you are talking about. Ever heard of TOR?

Yes i've heard of TOR (and so has the DoJ and law enforcement) and exit nodes are not anonymous and can be traced.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:27 AM

Yes i've heard of TOR (and so has the DoJ and law enforcement) and exit nodes are not anonymous and can be traced.

I didn't ask you about to TOR to find that out. I asked you to gauge what you know about encryption. You don't provide proof of your wild pedophilia assertion though. Coincidence I'm sure. Also how do propose controlling the upload behavior of 100k+ people?

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:28 AM

No, nodes are necessarily anonymous. You will always have a mac ID. (which you can clone and proxy)

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:30 AM

I didn't ask you about to TOR to find that out. I asked you to gauge what you know about encryption. You don't provide proof of your wild pedophilia assertion though. Coincidence I'm sure. Also how do propose controlling the upload behavior of 100k+ people?

The deep web and TOR (where exit nodes can be traced by law enforcement so you're not anonymous and secure as you think) is different to knowingly distributing illegal content and child porn on central servers whether it's encrypted or not. In fact being encrypted is just going to make it worse for any of Kim's hosting providers because it's going to attract pirates and child porn distributors on a massive scale and the indictments will come down on their executives like a fly on shit. Plus the New Zealand government won't enjoy the storm either so we'll see how it goes!

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:30 AM

double post..

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:31 AM

Also people with an obsession with catching or punishing pedophiles always raises flags. Don't be the guy in HS calling everyone a ***/*****, or people will begin to think otherwise about you. Not directing any sort of name calling, just observing and providing opinion.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:34 AM

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:35 AM

How do you know this. Provide proof. You sould like a parrot for the FBI. ZOMG kiddie porn on the net, NO WAY !!!! (lets bust everyone) What the %^% is the deep web? Is that 733t speak or something ? Are you talking about the portion of the internet which is archives and info?

The proof of child porn will be collected by the DoJ when the service is up and running and the child porn folks are attracted to it as it was with the original mega, the links will end up on Usenet, lolita and warez forums. I don't track those but i'm pretty sure law enforcement will.

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:36 AM

double post. having problems with the forum timing out.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:37 AM

So basically you can't prove it and are just going to hope for it to materialize in the future. (double entendre: i wonder why)

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:41 AM

So basically you can't prove it and are just going to hope for it to materialize in the future. (double entendre: i wonder why)

What are you on about? The original mega was shut down because proof of infringing content and the links to it were posted all over child porn and warez forums.

The same will happen again but it'll be compounded by the false sense of security that being an encrypted service conveys, more pirates and child sex people will be signing up and posting the links all over the place. Any hosting providers who are part of the network will get busted along with Kim.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:42 AM

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:43 AM

What are you on about? The original mega was shut down because proof of infringing content and the links to it were posted all over child porn and warez forums.

The same will happen again but it'll be compounded by the false sense of security that being an encrypted service conveys, more pirates and child sex people will be signing up and posting the links all over the place. Any hosting providers who are part of the network will get busted along with Kim.

And how was that their fault? Even then- post links. Enough with the anecdotes, post the proof - or leave us with the idea you think there is a pedophile around every cloud.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:45 AM

Also by your same standards the FBI uses TOR for the same reason as the pedophiles - therefor the FBI must be -- PEDOPHILES TOO!

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:46 AM

Do you realize the very computer you're on could be a zombie, and could be doing the very thing you detest; and you wouldn't even know it. You really ought to think about what you're saying. I'm computer literate and understand both hardware and networking, you can hide yourself. It's usually done by getting a bunch of retards to DOS attack first, to get the ball rolling in the other direction. People that are spending all their time barricade the front door won't notice the guys walking out the back with the safe.

If my computer was a zombie and I was unknowingly distributing child porn content and was busted for it I could produce my compromised computer in court and use it as part of my defense so it's not like that at all.

There is no defense for the hosting providers who are knowingly hosting child porn on their servers willfully and persistently. Any judge and jury will shut them down and depending on their attitudes may indict the executives.

Fun times ahead.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:49 AM

If my computer was a zombie and I was unknowingly distributing child porn content and was busted for it I could produce my compromised computer in court and use it as part of my defense so it's not like that at all.

There is no defense for the hosting providers who are knowingly hosting child porn on their servers willfully and persistently. Any judge and jury will shut them down and depending on their attitudes may indict the executives.

Fun times ahead.

Wow, you don't understand the free market. Should we ban bananas becuase of what some people do with them. (including pedophiles) You cannot post any proof of what they did and repeatedly assert the claim.

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:50 AM

Wow, you don't understand the free market. Should we ban bananas becuase of what some people do with them. (including pedophiles) You cannot post any proof of what they did and repeatedly assert the claim.

I can't post any proof because the service isnt up yet but the last service he ran there was plenty of proof, enough to get him shut down and the DoJ went after the hosting providers.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:50 AM

The only reason the FBI could make that claim is because the law of large numbers.(and the masses of the computer illiterates can understand PEDO) Statistically it had to be there. It wouldn't surprise me if they did find it. But they were not found culpable, what don't you understand about that.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:52 AM

But on a bigger note why must you just focus on that? In all seriousness.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:53 AM

itshappening

01-19-2013, 11:56 AM

Also you should mention Megaupload gave governments and companies DIRECT DELETE access to their database. And they still wanted to take them down even though they could theoretically "control" the flow.

That's not going to save them, the sheer volume would keep copyright holders and law enfrocement tied up for decades.

It had to go because it was a haven for pirated and illegal content and the DoJ will go after his latest one including any hosting provider who becomes part of the network.

The evidence of infringement and/or illegal content on a centrally located server isnt difficult to find when the links are posted on warez and lolita forums nor is it difficult to prove to a judge or jury that the service exists to primarily facilitate illegal behavior.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 11:59 AM

itshappening

01-19-2013, 12:02 PM

You need to look up the MPAA, they are the ones behind this anyways. You're just a distraction. You still won't post proof, and the only available proof is your lack of understanding computer infrastructures and networking. Freedom will march on. We don't need to stop for a distraction like this. We can benefit from a site like this massively and you choose to talk about pedo-fucking-philia. I normally view you as a disillusioned party republican, but this is just parroting man - you have to see it for what it is.

Here we go again: you want me to provide proof of illegal content on a service that isn't even up and running yet?

As I pointed out there was plenty of proof on his last one, check the court documents or do some searching yourself.

Law enforcement monitor the networks not me, they're the ones who will collate the proof.

I perfectly understand computers and networks which is why I can tell you that whatever it is will be a haven for illegal and infringing content and will be targeted by the DoJ along with any collaborators which may include indictments, international arrest warrants, criminal trials and lengthy prison sentences for all those involved.

Freedom doesn't give you the right to distribute pedophile content, rape, bestiality and warez or run a service that facilitates such behavior.

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 12:04 PM

Here we go again: you want me to provide proof of illegal content on a service that isn't even up and running yet?

As I pointed out there was plenty of proof on his last one, check the court documents or do some searching yourself.

Law enforcement monitor the networks not me, they're the ones who will collate the proof.

I perfectly understand computers and networks which is why I can tell you that whatever it is will be a haven for illegal and infringing content and will be targeted by the DoJ along with any collaborators which may include indictments, international arrest warrants, criminal trials and lengthy prison sentences for all those involved.

So then you admit; it hasn't happened. But could. Ok. What a good opinion. Do you think they'll have furries too?

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 12:06 PM

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.

From what I remember of news reports, MEGA got shut down for RIAA and MIAA violations. The cloud services have all come out and said that there is simply too much data to police it all, but Youtube and all the porn tunes and picture hosting sites do have a report feature where people can draw their attention to any content they find offensive. It seems to work pretty well. Google has gone so far as to develop software for YouTube that will recognize parts of commercial movies and songs in an automated manner. As long as providers take down reported content, they are left alone. MEGA was apparently slow at doing this, which was part of the problem.

I seriously doubt that "terrabytes" of kiddy porn even exist. From news reports, it seems like the feds bust a pedo ring every year or three and round up 40-80 ppl internationally. It just doesn't seem like there is that big of a pedo community out there. I don't think I've ever seen a story where a service provider got busted. Hosted servers getting taken down, sure. Their whole operation being taken down - never.

Do you like any of these songs?

I Love Rock-N-Roll - Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Little Red Riding Hood - Sam The Sham & The Pharohs
Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf
Beatles - All Together Now
Berlin - Sex

That was from the 4th hit in a single google search. There were many other songs listed, but those were the only 5 I'd heard before. They all apparently have "pedo" lyrics. Should we start banning songs for content? I don't remember the title, but one of the Led Zeppelin albums had naked children on the cover. Should we start raiding used record stores?

http://senobia.multiply.com/journal/item/532/The-Top-Five-Pedophile-Songs-of-Yesteryear?&show_interstitial=1&u=%2Fjournal%2Fitem

I'm still trying to figure out the relevance of "do pedo's buy/download music"? Are you implying that if you like Berlin or Joan Jett or Steppenwolf you are a pedo?

Seriously, if you care so much about it, why don't you cruise the porn tube sites and become a flag illegal content nazi?

-t

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 12:06 PM

So then you admit; it hasn't happened. But could. Ok. What a good opinion. Do you think they'll have furries too?

Given millions will use the service, what do you think there will not be?

itshappening

01-19-2013, 12:09 PM

From what I remember of news reports, MEGA got shut down for RIAA and MIAA violations. The cloud services have all come out and said that there is simply too much data to police it all, but Youtube and all the porn tunes and picture hosting sites do have a report feature where people can draw their attention to any content they find offensive. It seems to work pretty well. Google has gone so far as to develop software for YouTube that will recognize parts of commercial movies and songs in an automated manner. As long as providers take down reported content, they are left alone. MEGA was apparently slow at doing this, which was part of the problem.

I seriously doubt that "terrabytes" of kiddy porn even exist. From news reports, it seems like the feds bust a pedo ring every year or three and round up 40-80 ppl internationally. It just doesn't seem like there is that big of a pedo community out there. I don't think I've ever seen a story where a service provider got busted. Hosted servers getting taken down, sure. Their whole operation being taken down - never.

Do you like any of these songs?

I Love Rock-N-Roll - Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
Little Red Riding Hood - Sam The Sham & The Pharohs
Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf
Beatles - All Together Now
Berlin - Sex

That was from the 4th hit in a single google search. There were many other songs listed, but those were the only 5 I'd heard before. They all apparently have "pedo" lyrics. Should we start banning songs for content? I don't remember the title, but one of the Led Zeppelin albums had naked children on the cover. Should we start raiding used record stores?

http://senobia.multiply.com/journal/item/532/The-Top-Five-Pedophile-Songs-of-Yesteryear?&show_interstitial=1&u=%2Fjournal%2Fitem

I'm still trying to figure out the relevance of "do pedo's buy/download music"? Are you implying that if you like Berlin or Joan Jett or Steppenwolf you are a pedo?

Seriously, if you care so much about it, why don't you cruise the porn tube sites and become a flag illegal content nazi?

-t

There's a difference with a tube site streaming video content and a site offering gigabytes of direct downloads of infringing files which are then distributed on warez and lolita forums and yes, MEGA had this problem which is why they attracted the ire of the DoJ in the first place .

itshappening

01-19-2013, 12:10 PM

Given millions will use the service, what do you think there will not be?

Yes, there will be mountains of evidence and proof when the service is up and running of illegal and infringing behavior and lots of work for the DoJ and law enforcement to bring those involved to justice.

chudrockz

01-19-2013, 12:13 PM

talkingpointes

01-19-2013, 12:17 PM

One of Fire11's accounts got missed? :)

One could see the basis on purely qualitative standards. Itshappening, yes it is.

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 12:30 PM

There's a difference with a tube site streaming video content and a site offering gigabytes of direct downloads of infringing files which are then distributed on warez and lolita forums and yes, MEGA had this problem which is why they attracted the ire of the DoJ in the first place .

Tube sites generally let you download video's and there is software out there that will let you capture streams if they don't. I think your argument just fell out.

I used the wrong acronym in 2 of my posts. It's MPAA not MIAA. Sorry about that.

-t

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 12:31 PM

What's with all the server hangs and double posts?

-t

itshappening

01-19-2013, 12:34 PM

Tube sites generally let you download video's and there is software out there that will let you capture streams if they don't. I think your argument just fell out.

I used the wrong acronym in 2 of my posts. It's MPAA not MIAA. Sorry about that.

-t

The tube sites are generally ran by large adult companies and co-operate with copyright holders and law enforcement, users submit and they have people reviewing the content before it goes live and even after they will take down when requested so it's completely different.

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 12:39 PM

The tube sites are generally ran by large adult companies and co-operate with copyright holders and law enforcement, users submit and they have people reviewing the content before it goes live and even after they will take down when requested so it's completely different.

WRONG!

You need a visit to the ophthalmologist.

-t

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 12:46 PM

Back on topic...

Kim Dotcom's PR System Is Certainly Working Well Over Mega
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/01/19/links-19-jan-kim-dotcoms-pr-system-is-certainly-working-well-over-mega/

It’s rare to see an entirely new company and service get quite this much coverage before it even launches. Kim Dotcom’s new Mega is all over the press today. Ars Technica has an interview:

He was in boyish good spirits as around 150 contractors buzzed around his mansion and its acres of grounds, building a giant “Mega” sign on the front lawn and erecting a mobile stage that production company MadAnt says is New Zealand‘s largest. He mugged for the camera and joked “it’s another raid” as a helicopter flew overhead.

The world’s most controversial Internet tycoon is preparing to launch his site at 6:48am on Sunday morning—a year to the minute after his New Zealand mansion was raided and his old service was shut down by the authorities. (Press, including Ars Technica, have received an early look at the site.)

In massive, swaggering capital letters, “Mega” stretches across the grassy slope in front of Dotcom Mansion. A huddle of electricians and carpenters are removing the wooden stencils and wiring in the fluorescent tubes. They are up to G. All around the vast grounds of Kim Dotcom’s luxury home just north of Auckland, New Zealand, gardeners and technicians are busy, like Oompa-Loompas at the Chocolate Factory, setting up for the big night, overlooked by life-size inflatable giraffes and hippos.

On Sunday, almost a year after the internet entrepreneur and several of his associates were arrested in a spectacular dawn raid on the mansion, about 200 invited guests will gather at the opulent estate for the launch of Mega. The new cyberlocker service is a simplified, super-encrypted successor to Megaupload, the file-sharing site that once reputedly accounted for 4% of all internet traffic, and which US prosecutors had taken offline moments before the helicopters descended in New Zealand a year ago.

It’s true that the words are different but claiming an exclusive when the world’s technical press plus dog is all talking to the same man on the same day is a bit rich. The actual product itself is gaining plaudits:

Today a few dozen people were invited to try Mega, the new and improved version of the defunct Megaupload file-hosting service. With “The Privacy Company” as Mega’s slogan, Kim Dotcom and his team are making it clear that they are doing their best to secure the files of their users. Our first impression confirms that the encryption indeed works brilliantly, but those who are looking for complete anonymity might be a bit disappointed.

Leading up to the launch of Kim Dotcom’s latest effort, Mega, today the company opened the site up to its first early-access users. It’s also published pricing for premium users, as well as a roadmap of features that it plans to add to the site after launch, having run out of time to implement them all before Sunday. The list reveals a wide ambition that includes mobile access; word-processing, spreadsheets and other Office-style functions; instant messaging and more.

The service itself, in my early look today, largely resembles a simplified version of Dropbox and other cloud-based storage services.

Obviously, the most important point is the legal one. They certainly feel that they’ve protected themselves here:

Dotcom said Mega was a different beast to Megaupload, as the new site enables users to control exactly which users can access uploaded files, in contrast to its predecessor, which allowed users to search files, some of which contained copyrighted content allegedly without permission.

A sophisticated encryption system will allow users to encode their files before they upload them on to the site’s servers, which Dotcom said were located in New Zealand and overseas.

Each file will then be issued a unique, sophisticated decryption key which only the file holder will control, allowing them to share the file as they choose.

As a result, the site’s operators would have no access to the files, which they say would strip them from any possible liability for knowingly enabling users to distribute copyright-infringing content, which Washington says is illegal.

“Even if we wanted to, we can’t go into your file and snoop and see what you have in there,” the burly Dotcom said.

Whether that will actually work is entirely unknown. My own, entirely personal, opinion is that it won’t stop the authorities at least attempting to close it down. For I am unconvinced that it’s all actually about the law any more. Dotcom has so far managed to dance away from the American authorities over MegaUpload. Indeed, several New Zealand court rulings have gone very much in his favour. And, as I say this is an entirely personal view, I’m not sure that said authorities are likely to give up not having got their man.

-t

tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 12:51 PM

Kim Dotcom’s Mega Opens For Early-Access Users, Reveals Pricing Tiers, Roadmap With Mobile Access, IM, Office-Style Features
http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/18/kim-dotcoms-mega-opens-site-to-early-users-reveals-roadmap-with-mobile-access-office-style-features-and-more/

Leading up to the launch of Kim Dotcom’s latest effort, Mega, today the company opened the site up to its first early-access users. It’s also published pricing for premium users, as well as a roadmap of features that it plans to add to the site after launch, having run out of time to implement them all before Sunday. The list reveals a wide ambition that includes mobile access; word-processing, spreadsheets and other Office-style functions; instant messaging and more.

The service itself, in my early look today, largely resembles a simplified version of Dropbox and other cloud-based storage services. I’m accessing it on Chrome — which Mega recommends. “If you are planning on using MEGA frequently, there is currently no alternative to using the most advanced browser currently in existence – Google Chrome,” it notes in a blog post today.

Basic Mega has a folder to either drag or select files, as well as an inbox, and a contacts tab. So far, I’ve tried to create a contact to see what I can do with it, but that feature does not appear to have been turned on yet. I think there should be more functionality coming up. Earlier today, the CEO of domain registry company Instra, who is an investor in Mega, told me that Instra would be providing domain name, hosting and email services on top of the support services that were officially announced today. I think we’ll need to give the site itself a closer look when all the features have been turned on.

Here’s how it looks so far, with one of my test files uploaded.

PICTURE HERE - there are also a bunch of links.

Second, what we might see here next. In addition to possible domain, hosting and email services, Mega also got a mea culpa out early doors and posted today in a separate blog post about all the features that it plans to add to the service in the coming months. “Time flies when building a website, and unfortunately, half of the launch feature list that we envisioned when we started implementing MEGA back in September has now turned into a post-launch development roadmap,” it writes.

Because I think most people will have “access denied” if they try to look at the list right now — because of the early access protection — I’m pasting the info at the bottom of this post. Suffice it to say, the list reveals a service very high on ambition, covering enhancements for developers as well as for its regular users, including more functionality in how the cloud storage service works with file transfer options; lots of features for collaboration with other users including instant messaging and encrypted file sharing; complete API documentation in the SDK; desktop and mobile clients for “all major platforms”; and a Google Docs competitor with word processing, calendar and spreadsheet functionality.

Developer documentation enhancements:

Properly reformat and comment the JavaScript reference implementation so that it becomes more readable
Add missing command-specific documentation to the API reference

File transfer queue enhancements:

Vertical resizing
Drag & Drop to modify transfer sequence
Multiselect
Clicking on a pending transfer navigates to/marks the source file or the target folder
Stop/continue buttons

File manager enhancements:

Re-implement from scratch without underlying third-party UI framework for better performance
Adaptively eliminate the leftmost file path buttons at the top to maintain visibility of the upload and search buttons (we have a hack in place for this, but it only works in Chrome)
“Properties” option in the file context menu

Collaboration feature enhancements:

MEGA user-to-user messaging with file attachments, plus external RFC 4880/OpenPGP and S/MIME gateway for secure off-site e-mail communication
MEGA user-to-user instant messaging
Exported link enhancements
Allow for the creation of folder links (with associated crypto key) which then display the folder content live
Secure unauthenticated delivery web widget
Allow unauthenticated users to securely deliver files to MEGA users’ inboxes, e.g. to submit very large files to print shops

Filesystem enhancements:

Activate storing all block MACs on the server (encrypted) after an upload to allow for integrity-checked partial reading. Right now, the file has to be downloaded fully to be checked.
Enable forking encrypted time-stamped delta file support to allow for random writing to existing files with full rollback capability

SDK enhancements

Complete the API documentation
Provide client libraries in various languages

Client applications

A Windows filesystem mount is currently in beta and will be available shortly
Linux/MacOS X filesystem mounts
Mobile access
Sync tools for all major platforms

Integrated on-site applications

Calendar
Word processing
Spreadsheet

MEGA as a local “appliance”

Load a third-party audited version of the MEGA JavaScript files from a machine that you control
Be immune against new bugs of any kind

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tangent4ronpaul

01-19-2013, 03:46 PM

Kim Dotcom Launches New Version of Megaupload
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323968304578251752248253048.html

AUCKLAND, New Zealand—Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom is launching a new version of his now-defunct file-sharing website 12-months after U.S. charges were laid alleging criminal copyright infringement and conspiracy to commit racketeering.

The launch of the new site, called Mega, comes as Mr. Dotcom, who was arrested in Auckland last January, and three codefendants in New Zealand continue to fight extradition to the U.S. for trial. The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation had shut Megaupload, which the FBI alleged was used to pirate entertainment content valued at US$500 million.

Mr. Dotcom said lawyers have examined the new site, and he is confident it is compliant with the law. The site promises increased privacy to users through encryption of every file loaded onto the site, according to the Internet entrepreneur.

The new site was developed by Mr. Dotcom, 39 years old, and his fellow defendants—Megaupload chief marketing officer Finn Batato, 38; chief technical officer, director and co-founder Mathias Ortmann, 40, both from Germany; and Dutch national Bram van der Kolk, 29—as they wait on bail for a decision on whether they will be extradited to the U.S. All have denied the charges.

Mr. Dotcom, who was jailed and whose house was raided, talked to The Wall Street Journal from his sprawling mansion north of Auckland about his new venture.

WSJ: Do you want your day in court?

Mr. Dotcom: If it comes I will own it because I know I am innocent. There is nothing I need to fear. We have it all together. This whole indictment is crap. We will show the malicious and bad faith construction of this case so if they want to go there I'm game. [For their part, authorities claim Megaupload and its collection of websites generated more than $175 million in criminal proceeds as well as causing more than half a billion dollars in harm to copyright owners.]

WSJ: What can you say about the new site?

Mr. Dotcom: I would say the biggest new development is on-the-fly encryption. Without having to install any kind of application—it happens in your browser in the background—it encrypts giving you privacy. This means when you transfer data anyone sitting on that line will get nothing as it is all scrambled and impossible to decrypt without your key. This is going to take encryption to the mainstream.

We have some servers in New Zealand, we have some servers in Europe and we have invited hosting partners to sign up to join us. Basically anyone can connect a server in their hosting facility, hook it up to Internet, give us access and we can make it a Megaserver. Every file that is being uploaded to Mega is not just on one server, meaning if one hosting company goes bankrupt then those files will be on least two servers in the world and in two different jurisdictions.

WSJ: Do you see Mega getting as big or bigger than Megaupload?

Mr. Dotcom: I think there will be these early adopters who will try the new Mega, and it's just so good that it's going to spread. It will hopefully take off within a year, and it's going to be a significant player in the Internet. Because of the unique model of the business and the unique features we should see quite some growth.

WSJ: You are facing jail for your role in Megaupload, so why launch a new site?

Mr. Dotcom: We said we can't just sit there and play the game of them delaying everything; we can't just put our lives on hold and have them seize all our assets so we can't afford proper lawyers and just let them make all these tactical nasty moves. We said if we go along with that we are wasting our talents; we are wasting our know-how; so we decided from September last year to do something new. We thought let's use all the experiences and know-how of seven years to create the best cloud storage business that the world has ever seen.

This is probably the most legally scrutinized Internet site in the history of the Internet. Every single pixel on that site has been looked at by lawyers and of course we are fully compliant with all laws.

WSJ: But with encryption how can you prevent objectionable material being uploaded?

Mr. Dotcom: Child pornography is a matter of concern, but just like Megaupload people can take things down. If someone identifies something that is wrong they can contact us and ask us to take it down and we will. We will be fully compliant with the law and assist the authorities.

WSJ: Where do you stand on Internet piracy?

Mr. Dotcom: I think piracy is wrong if for example if it's music. If you can right now find a song that is 99 cents and you can listen to a snippet for free to decide if you want to buy it and then you download it for free, then I would say ethically that's a challenge. But with movies I'd have to say because of the business model Hollywood has, they are forcing people into piracy. People say if you don't give it to me [immediately] that's nuts, I'll get it somewhere else. When it comes to movie piracy I think the mistake that needs to be corrected is by the content owners not the Internet users.

WSJ: So could piracy be combatted by a new model?

Mr. Dotcom: Imagine what Hollywood could do if they had an Internet business that would make all of their content available to everyone in the world at a fair price, they would be an even bigger company in terms of valuation than Google GOOG -0.96% is. You could do this either through having a search engine or having a really nice iTunes-styled website where you could find anything and you can click on it for a buck or you register for a flat fee per month. The moment you do that—even though your price lowers significantly—all of sudden you monetized all of these people who are currently downloading for free.

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fr33

01-20-2013, 11:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzKpWIz0qJo

cindy25

01-21-2013, 01:08 AM

Unlikely, that place will become a haven for pedophile, rape and bestiality content that will be spread everywhere. Just watch.

New Zealand don't want that image so will have no option to shut it down and will eventually become highly embarrassed.

New Zealand embarassed itself when they shut Mega down last year, at the behest of Obama/Biden2012

they were shut down because Obama needed campaign contributions from Hollywood

I wish the new Mega well, as anything that will break Hollywood is a good thing. Rand or Amash won't be getting 2016 money there; Joe Biden and Hillary, and Cuomo will.

idiom

01-21-2013, 03:05 AM

The Prime Minister almost went down because of the scandal for wire tapping a New Zealand resident.

Number of times New Zealand has asked Google for information on someone? Zero.

TywinLannister

01-21-2013, 05:08 AM

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 05:19 AM

Details of the planned service are scarce, but the site promises to use state-of-the-art encryption methods that mean only users, not the site's administrators, know what they are uploading.

That would theoretically stop authorities from accusing administrators of knowingly aiding online piracy, the central allegation facing Dotcom.

No, it doesn't work that way.

Purposefully avoiding to know what you can know, does not relieve you of liability if something is otherwise criminal.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 05:33 AM

Kim Dotcom launches successor to outlawed Megaupload

http://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/Reuters_Images/2013/01/20/mdf74314-20-01-2013-10-01-37-390.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/MDF74314-20-01-2013-10-01-37-390.jpg

Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom claimed a "massive" response to his new file-sharing service Sunday, launched exactly one year after he was arrested in the world's biggest online piracy case.

The mega.co.nz website, which replaces the outlawed Megaupload, went live at dawn, on the anniversary of armed police raids on the New Zealand-based Internet tycoon's mansion in Auckland which saw him arrested and the site shuttered.

The 38-year-old German national, who changed his name from Kim Schmitz, is now on bail as US authorities seek his extradition on a range of charges including money laundering, racketeering and copyright theft.

Dotcom hopes the new venture will repeat the success of Megaupload, which boasted 50 million visitors daily, and initial demand triggered overloads that caused long delays in accessing the site.

His lawyer Ira Rothken said they were satisfied the new service was legal and that Dotcom believed it was the "most legally scrutinised start up" ever.

The website offers offers cloud storage with state-of-the-art encryption to ensure only users, not the site administrators, know what they are uploading.

That would theoretically stop authorities from accusing administrators of knowingly aiding online piracy, the central allegation facing Dotcom in the Megaupload case.

Despite the system overloads, Dotcom expressed delight with the rollout, tweeting within an hour of the launch that there were already 100,000 users registered in possibly the "fastest growing start-up in Internet history".

An hour later, with 250,000 registrations, he said: "Site is still overloaded. Massive demand. Incredible." He said server capacity was on maximum load and that access should improve when the "initial frenzy is over".

Users took to Twitter to complain of difficulties in registering.

"I can't even sign up, it's jammed," one potential user tweeted. "I can't get to the site," added another.

Dotcom, who will Sunday hold a lavish launch party at his New Zealand mansion, said later that problems accessing the site had been addressed.

"We had a lot of users interested in the site, we've stabilised everything now," he said.

New Zealand Internet consultant Steve Simms said the problems appeared linked to delays in servers being updated to recognise the site certificate, as well as the overwhelming number of users simultaneously accessing limited capacity.

Dotcom, who has a reputation as a showman, was dressed for the launch in the same attire he was on the day of the raid, and said he still felt resentment at the way he was treated.

"Yes, of course. We didn't expect it at all and felt it was extremely unfair. 220 people lost their jobs overnight."

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itshappening

01-21-2013, 06:40 AM

New Zealand embarassed itself when they shut Mega down last year, at the behest of Obama/Biden2012

they were shut down because Obama needed campaign contributions from Hollywood

I wish the new Mega well, as anything that will break Hollywood is a good thing. Rand or Amash won't be getting 2016 money there; Joe Biden and Hillary, and Cuomo will.

it's not just Hollywood, there are many small content producers and software firms that are affected by Kim's service.

He will end up in a prison cell.

NZ are already embarrassing themselves by hosting him.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 06:44 AM

Who cares if some pervert wants to download certain combinations of 1's and 0's that cause certain pixels to display on their monitors? Law enforcement should be spending their efforts tracking down the people who PRODUCE the CP and actually create real victims. Merely viewing the stuff, while disgusting, is a victimless crime.

I never used their services but I'm glad megaupload is coming back bigger and better after the government harassment.

The laws are passed by national governments so it's a crime punishable by many years in prison.

So is copyright infringement and undermining constitutional rights of content producers, that's why the DoJ are after him and why he will ultimately fail.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 06:50 AM

do pedo's spend money on music too?

does that make their crime of distributing child porn via mega's servers any less relevant?

You seem obsessed by this. Why is that? Child porn gets distributed over TOR as well. So do illegal drug sales via "The Silk Road" using bitcoins. I guess we should get rid of bitcoins? Someone might use bitcoins to buy some child porn. Hell, get rid of the Internet altogether. Or let the government put in tighter controls. I mean, you have to know that people who are seriously into shit like that already know how to hide what they are doing by using encryption without relying on a site to provide it for them right? Many (if not most) of these people are congressmen and federal prosecutors.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 06:53 AM

The laws are passed by national governments so it's a crime punishable by many years in prison.

So is copyright infringement and undermining constitutional rights of content producers, that's why the DoJ are after him and why he will ultimately fail.

Ah. So the truth comes out. Your rant isn't really about child porn. That was a red herring. Your main concern is copyright, but you had to hide behind child porn because you know this forum is pretty evenly split on the whole "intellectual property" debate. Thanks for clearing that up.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 06:57 AM

No, it doesn't work that way.

Purposefully avoiding to know what you can know, does not relieve you of liability if something is otherwise criminal.

That depends specifically on how the laws are written in New Zealand. I'm sure Kim's hired actual New Zealand attorneys to look into that. And that's basically the model Freenet has been based on for years.

Anyway, with U.S. law the "safe harbor" provision of the YouTube ruling is that if, and only if, something is brought to your attention by a copyright holder do you have to take it down. (That's been abused by people who are not copyright holders claiming to be in order to get YouTube to take down videos critical of them or their causes).

itshappening

01-21-2013, 07:07 AM

You seem obsessed by this. Why is that? Child porn gets distributed over TOR as well. So do illegal drug sales via "The Silk Road" using bitcoins. I guess we should get rid of bitcoins? Someone might use bitcoins to buy some child porn. Hell, get rid of the Internet altogether. Or let the government put in tighter controls. I mean, you have to know that people who are seriously into shit like that already know how to hide what they are doing by using encryption without relying on a site to provide it for them right? Many (if not most) of these people are congressmen and federal prosecutors.

TOR exit nodes can be traced and bitcoins aren't anonymous either and can be tracked by law enforcement.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 07:08 AM

Ah. So the truth comes out. Your rant isn't really about child porn. That was a red herring. Your main concern is copyright, but you had to hide behind child porn because you know this forum is pretty evenly split on the whole "intellectual property" debate. Thanks for clearing that up.

The truth is I want to see a site that openly and brazenly is a haven for illegal and infringing content shut down and its perpetrators brought to justice.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 07:08 AM

double

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 07:18 AM

TOR exit nodes can be traced and bitcoins aren't anonymous either and can be tracked by law enforcement.

And you think that Kim's new encryption system will be perfectly untraceable? :rolleyes: Point is, this really changes nothing so your harping on it is silly.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 07:19 AM

The truth is I want to see a site that openly and brazenly is a haven for illegal and infringing content shut down and its perpetrators brought to justice.

Ah. International global governance....when it comes to intellectual property at least....is your goal. Got it.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 07:22 AM

And you think that Kim's new encryption system will be perfectly untraceable? :rolleyes: Point is, this really changes nothing so your harping on it is silly.

No, it will be perfectly traceable to the hosting providers who are assisting him and hopefully the indictments and international arrest warrants will be issued to executives of said companies and to the man and associates behind it (you can add them to the list)

itshappening

01-21-2013, 07:24 AM

Ah. International global governance....when it comes to intellectual property at least....is your goal. Got it.

The constitution protects IP and there are systems in place via treaties entered into by the Senate that allow for extradition and enforcement of indictments by grand jury's etc but I'm sure you already knew that.

Confederate

01-21-2013, 07:25 AM

The truth is I want to see a site that openly and brazenly is a haven for illegal and infringing content shut down and its perpetrators brought to justice.

I guess youtube should be shut down...

Confederate

01-21-2013, 07:26 AM

The constitution protects IP and there are systems in place via treaties entered into by the Senate that allow for extradition and enforcement of indictments by grand jury's etc but I'm sure you already knew that.

No it doesn't, it just gives Congress the legal authority to institute a system of copyright laws.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 07:31 AM

I guess youtube should be shut down...

We've been through this before.

YouTube is a platform that is used by content producers themselves and works with practically every studio and network in the world.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 07:33 AM

No it doesn't, it just gives Congress the legal authority to institute a system of copyright laws.

It says that works will be protected and congress makes the statue, this is what the content producers want enforced against Kim Dotcom; that their constitutional rights are being infringed and for the statue's to be used against him to bring him to justice where penalties include up to 20 years in prison

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 08:12 AM

The Cute Cat Theory
http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/03/08/the-cute-cat-theory-talk-at-etech/

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Singel did an excellent job with my talk as well, The Cute Cat Theory of Digital Activism. I was grateful to have the excuse to explore at more length some of the ideas I’ve been writing about for the past year, and was gratified that the talk was well received. There were several requests for me to post the slides – that’s not really realistic, as they were 100MB and rather video-rich – what I’m going to do instead is post my notes, a bunch of links and a few of the slides. This won’t be an accurate picture of what I said – it’s more likely to be a picture of what I meant to say.

Web 1.0 was invented to allow physicists to share research papers.

Web 2.0 was created to allow people to share pictures of cute cats.

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/wp-content/2008/03/cute-cats002.jpg

I had a front-row seat for this transition, working with Tripod. We sincerely believed that the purpose of the web was to give college graduates helpful information about renting apartments, applying for jobs and investing their money. Our users rapidly told us that what the web was really about was publishing their own information… which left us with the difficult challenge of figuring out how to make money off of people’s collections of cat pictures.

User-generated content, on average, is a lot less interesting than professional content. But there are a lot more people creating their own content for fun than those doing so for a living, and in aggregate, that content is at least as interesting.

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/wp-content/2008/03/cute-cats007.jpg

Based on my Tripod experience, I’d offer the hypothesis that any sufficiently advanced read/write technology will get used for two purposes: pornography and activism. Porn is a weak test for the success of participatory media – it’s like tapping a mike and asking, “Is it on?” If you’re not getting porn in your system, it doesn’t work. Activism is a stronger test – if activists are using your tools, it’s a pretty good indication that your tools are useful and usable.

In late 1996, we noticed that Tripod was receiving a great deal of traffic from Malaysia. Searching through the server logs, we found lots of pages in Bahasa Malay talking about “Reformasi” and “Anwar Ibrahim”. I had to visit the Political Science department at Williams College to figure out that we were apparently hosting much of the Malaysian opposition political movement, dedicated to helping deposed and imprisoned deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim return to power. Malaysian media was largely closed to opposition voices, but investment in internet infrastructure meant that the opposition was able to access the internet and publish material that couldn’t be disseminated any other way. (Several of these pages still exist on Tripod.)

A more economically rational company would have likely removed the Malaysian content, as we had no way of selling ads to Malaysian advertisers. Economic rationality was never Tripod’s strong suit, and we ended up sponsoring Malaysia’s olympic team instead. (They took the silver in Men’s team badminton.)

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/wp-content/2008/03/cute-cats008.jpg

With web 2.0, we’ve embarced the idea that people are going to share pictures of their cats, and now we build sophisticated tools to make that easier to do. as a result, we’re creating a wealth of tech that’s extremely helpful for activists. There are twin revolutions going on – the ease of creating content and the ease of sharing it with local and global audiences.

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One of the most amazing of these videos features the peregrinations of the Tunisian presidential aircraft. You wouldn’t expect to see this jet in Europe very often, as Ben Ali is famous for rarely leaving the country. But Sami and Astrubal used planespotter sites – sites like Airliners.net that allow amateur plane enthusiasts to post their photos – to determine that the President’s jet travels a whole lot more than he does. They He used footage from Google Earth and pictures from the plane spotter sites to make a video that shows the power of the participatory web at its best. (Sami has asked me to make it clear that the Tunisian flight video was solely Astrubal’s work – his function was solely to publicize it, on his blog and in talks given about online activism.)

Their video raises all sorts of ethical questions – is it permissable for the country’s first lady to take the Presidential jet, fueled and crewed on taxpayer dollars, for shopping junkets in Europe? Foreign Policy magazine didn’t think so, and ran an article critiquing the first lady. They also published instructions on how you, too, can become a presidential planespotter.

Sami and Astrubal posted the video on their personal blogs… but as known activists, their blogs have been blocked in Tunisia for years. They also posted it on DailyMotion, a video site popular in the French-speaking world. Shortly after, the Tunisian government blocked access to DailyMotion.

This is a good thing if you’re an activist. Most Tunisians don’t identify as activists and might not be engaged with politics. But, like Americans and Europeans, they’re interested in seeing cute cats being adorable online. When the government blocks DailyMotion, it impacts a much wider swath of Tunisians than those who are politicially active. Cute cats are collateral damage when governments block sites. And even those who could care less about presidential shenanigans are made aware that their government fears online speech so much that they’re willing to censor the millions of banal videos on DailyMotion to block a few political ones.

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/wp-content/2008/03/cute-cats019.jpg

Blocking banal content on the internet is a self-defeating proposition. It teaches people how to become dissidents – they learn to find and use anonymous proxies, which happens to be a key first step in learning how to blog anonymously. Every time you force a government to block a web 2.0 site – cutting off people’s access to cute cats – you spend political capital. Our job as online advocates is to raise that cost of censorship as high as possible.

So why don’t governments block only he offensive speech? Why would governments be stupid enough to close off these tools entirely? It’s a reasonable question and one that’s an active research topic. One answer is that it’s surprisingly difficult to censor the web well. (Pakistan’s recent shutdown of YouTube shows one remarkably stupid and dangerous way to screw up and overblock web traffic.)

If you want to prevent your users from accessing online content, you’ve got four basic options. You can block keywords, block URLs, pollute your DNS or block IPs. It’s surprisingly hard to block keywords – you need to open and examine all the packets crossing your network. China does a bit of this, but mostly blocks keywords within URLs – it’s prohibitively expensive to examine every packet for an entire nation and check against a blocklist. URL blocking simply doesn’t work very well – it’s easy to rewrite a URL and access the same content. DNS blocking is very simple, but it tends to backfire – your smarter users simply switch towards using an unpolluted DNS and you have no way to control their behavior with this technique in the future. And so, most repressive governments block IPs, which limits access to banal as well as sensitive content.

But perhaps this isn’t stupidity on the part of nations. When Pakistan blocks YouTube, it limits traffic to the site. Google notices these sorts of things. Perhaps it’s coincidental that the video named by Pakistan has been removed from YouTube due to a terms of service violation – perhaps not. But while advocates try to raise the price of censorship for governments, smart governments are raising the price for noncompliance for Web 2.0 companies.

My colleagues at the Open Net Initiative began documenting net censorship a bit more than five years ago. At that point, Saudi Arabia and China were censoring widely. Now at least two dozen nations censor the net regularly, and more may be participating in “event-based filtering”, blocking access to political sites before a key election, for instance. My fear, in the medium to long term, is that every nation that constrains freedom of the press will begin filtering the net, realizing that the Internet is where important press takes place these days.

Of course, the activists win sometimes too. When Google Maps became accessible in Bahrain, it let Bahrani activists answer a pressing question in that small, crowded nation – who owns all the land? From the air, it becomes pretty clear that large chunks of the nation are reserved for palaces owned by the royal family.

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An anonymous Bahrani activist thought this was pretty interesting, and made a PDF document of screen captures from Google Maps, enhanced with notes comparing crowded communities with spacious palaces. The document flew around the country from mailbox to mailbox. The Bahrani authorities couldn’t block the file – it’s a PDF, and blocking PDFs has nasty consequences for businesspeople. So they blocked Google Maps, which got bloggers like noted free speech advocate Mahmood Al-Youssif up in arms. After a brief block, they simply gave up and let citizens see the site, rather than letting Mahmood and others train people to use proxy sites. (More on this story is available on my blog.)

When governments really want to shut people up, they don’t just block them, they imprison them. Egypt has blocked very few websites – the Muslim Brotherhood site gets blocked occasionally, but most are uncensored. But they’ve jailed Kareem Soliman for his critical remarks about Islam, and they haven’t hesitated to arrest protesters seeking political reform.

This, in turn, has been known to backfire. When Kefaya activist and open-source proponent Alaa Abdel Fateh was one of 700 activists arrested at a protest supporting the independence of the Egyptian judiciary, it was hard for government authorities to know that they were about to have a PR crisis on their hands. Alaa began blogging from prison, passing notes to his wife, Manal, who jointly maintains their blog. These blog posts helped attract international attention to the case, which meant that camera crews from Al Jazeera and CNN covered a situation they normally would have ignored. It probably meant that Alaa spent much more time in jail than he otherwise would have, but it also may have meant that he was safer than if he’d been anonymous in prison.

(A piece of advice I offer at this point in many talks – if you’re planning on being an online activist, marry a blogger. It’s worked very well for me.)

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^^^^ GREAT blog post! - click through for the rest!

But yes, @itshappening does have a valid point. It's like guns. Sure, most people obey the laws, but computers and internet modems/routers are far too dangerous for the average person to own. They might mis-click or make a typo when typing in a URL and suddenly be looking at pictures of dead children, or OMG! maybe a self taken mirror shot of a 16yo girl showing her boobs in order to flirt with her BF. The Horror!, The Horror! We should definitely start a campaign to get people to turn in their computers to local law enforcement! They might even give you a $100 gift certificate for groceries. Since you feel so strongly about this @itshappening, why don't you lead by example and turn in yours?

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itshappening

01-21-2013, 08:55 AM

TywinLannister

01-21-2013, 09:04 AM

Ranger29860

01-21-2013, 09:16 AM

Go read the freaking indictment for megaupload. It is obviouse that you have not. The DOJ acknowledged that he did a pretty damn god job of getting and keeping child porn of his site by tracking the up loaders and sources. Yeah he flaunted his lack of action on copyright (granted he did eventually get rid of it, it just took a while) but he never let child porn sit on his servers for very long. So I have NO CLUE where you keep getting this idea from since you refuse to back up your claims, and yes I have searched for it and have yet to find anything on a slew of child porn on Megaupload.

Hell I went as far as reading up on child porn distribution from government reports and it seems that website and file hosting services are pretty low down the list when it comes to distribution.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 09:22 AM

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 09:28 AM

tangent, you can make all the excuses you want but running a service that openly distributes child porn and rape material and infringing content, software etc. that is exchanged and in some cases sold by people who had nothing to do with them is not 'internet freedom' it is a crime and an affront to constitutional rights and therefore must be closed down.

WHOA! - I got lost on my way to RPF's and ended up on Red State!!!! :eek:
Either that or a RIAA astroturf blog.
What do sock puppets make these days, anyway?

btw: you do know that ALL the "rape porn" is faked, right? Like staged, as in "not real"...

Don't try and equate it with government's going after free speech and buying into Kim's attempt to avoid justice by trying to paint himself as some crusader for freedom because he's not; he's someone who is doing very real economic harm and if left alone will hurt many content producers and software companies (large and small) whilst also promoting the kidnap, rape and exploitation of children by providing a distribution outlet for the material.

:rolleyes: So why do you have a hardon against MEGA?

Why aren't you trying to shut down: Flicker, Scribd, Docstoc, Google Docs, Issuu, wePapers and Yumpu as well as: Dropbox, SkyDrive, iCloud, and Amazon Cloud Drive?

"In the case of Swiss-German file hosting service RapidShare, in 2010 the US government's congressional international anti-piracy caucus declared the site a "notorious illegal site", claiming that the site was "overwhelmingly used for the global exchange of illegal movies, music and other copyrighted works".[5] But in the legal case Atari Europe S.A.S.U. v. Rapidshare AG in Germany,[6] the Düsseldorf higher regional court examined claims related to alleged infringing activity and reached the conclusion on appeal that "most people utilize RapidShare for legal use cases"[7] and that to assume otherwise was equivalent to inviting "a general suspicion against shared hosting services and their users which is not justified".[8] The court also observed that the site removes copyrighted material when asked, does not provide search facilities for illegal material, noted previous cases siding with RapidShare, and after analysis the court concluded that the plaintiff's proposals for more strictly preventing sharing of copyrighted material – submitted as examples of anti-piracy measures RapidShare might have adopted – were found to be "unreasonable or pointless".[6]"

You did notice that you have to REGISTER with MEGA in order to use it... didn't you?

Cop: we found a link on a "bad" site to a file on your system. It appears to be a illegal copy of a Microsoft operating system. Please delete the file and send us a list of everyone that accessed it.

:rolleyes:

Are you on the right site? You seem like a troll.

-t

itshappening

01-21-2013, 09:40 AM

WHOA! - I got lost on my way to RPF's and ended up on Red State!!!! :eek:
Either that or a RIAA astroturf blog.
What do sock puppets make these days, anyway?

btw: you do know that ALL the "rape porn" is faked, right? Like staged, as in "not real"...

:rolleyes: So why do you have a hardon against MEGA?

Why aren't you trying to shut down: Flicker, Scribd, Docstoc, Google Docs, Issuu, wePapers and Yumpu as well as: Dropbox, SkyDrive, iCloud, and Amazon Cloud Drive?

"In the case of Swiss-German file hosting service RapidShare, in 2010 the US government's congressional international anti-piracy caucus declared the site a "notorious illegal site", claiming that the site was "overwhelmingly used for the global exchange of illegal movies, music and other copyrighted works".[5] But in the legal case Atari Europe S.A.S.U. v. Rapidshare AG in Germany,[6] the Düsseldorf higher regional court examined claims related to alleged infringing activity and reached the conclusion on appeal that "most people utilize RapidShare for legal use cases"[7] and that to assume otherwise was equivalent to inviting "a general suspicion against shared hosting services and their users which is not justified".[8] The court also observed that the site removes copyrighted material when asked, does not provide search facilities for illegal material, noted previous cases siding with RapidShare, and after analysis the court concluded that the plaintiff's proposals for more strictly preventing sharing of copyrighted material – submitted as examples of anti-piracy measures RapidShare might have adopted – were found to be "unreasonable or pointless".[6]"

You did notice that you have to REGISTER with MEGA in order to use it... didn't you?

Cop: we found a link on a "bad" site to a file on your system. It appears to be a illegal copy of a Microsoft operating system. Please delete the file and send us a list of everyone that accessed it.

:rolleyes:

Are you on the right site? You seem like a troll.

-t

*sigh*, here we go again...

It's not me trying to shut them down it's the content producers and owners who have identified a service that enables the willful infringement of their material and are asking the DoJ to enforce their constitutional protections of their Works.

The list of other services you mention and other instances of infringement have nothing to do with taking action against this party and in most cases those services and providers work diligently with rights holders to ensure there is no abuse or willful infringement. This is very different to what Kim was doing and what he seeks to do.

Stop trying to defend the scumbag. I am not a troll.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 09:42 AM

TOR exit nodes can be traced and bitcoins aren't anonymous either and can be tracked by law enforcement.

So bitcoin laundry services don't work... Interesting! Gotta link?

I didn't think so.

-t

itshappening

01-21-2013, 09:49 AM

Confederate

01-21-2013, 09:52 AM

Itshappening, do you think sites which do not host any content but link to content should be shut down as well? Such as the pirate bay, which hosts no content but has links to torrents which allow you to download content?

itshappening

01-21-2013, 09:57 AM

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 09:58 AM

Go read the freaking indictment for megaupload. It is obviouse that you have not.

I haven't either - just reports in the press on what's in it. Do you have a link?

The DOJ acknowledged that he did a pretty damn god job of getting and keeping child porn of his site by tracking the up loaders and sources. Yeah he flaunted his lack of action on copyright (granted he did eventually get rid of it, it just took a while) but he never let child porn sit on his servers for very long. So I have NO CLUE where you keep getting this idea from since you refuse to back up your claims, and yes I have searched for it and have yet to find anything on a slew of child porn on Megaupload.

Interesting, VERY Interesting!

Hell I went as far as reading up on child porn distribution from government reports and it seems that website and file hosting services are pretty low down the list when it comes to distribution.

Out of curiosity, what was high up on distribution?

Are there any gvmt reports that were particularity good on the topic? Links?

Outstanding post!
+rep!

-t

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 10:01 AM

The difference is bitcoin is just a payment method not a hosting service hosting infringing content.

It doesn't matter if you pay cash or bitcoin for a movie, Works or other constitutionally protected material. Hosting it and distributing it is illegal

TEXTBOOK Patomic 2 step!

:rolleyes:

Maybe you would like to address the question?

-t

itshappening

01-21-2013, 10:06 AM

TEXTBOOK Patomic 2 step!

:rolleyes:

Maybe you would like to address the question?

-t

I don't need to address it because it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Trying to equate a payment method with the act of willful infringement is stupid.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 10:09 AM

No I do not think that. Aggregation is not hosting.

I've read that botnets that use malware to infect computers sometimes turn the infected computers into servers for a pic or two of kiddy porn, then serve up the links to images on hijacked computers to serve up kitty porn to visitors to their "Aggregation server" in order to be "legal".

There are tons of legal aggregation servers too that would be adversely effected by any laws in this area.

Anything out on the Internet is going to be misused. Sometimes misuse is just used in a manner different than the creator intended. (Look up chatubate(sp?)), but one that takes off and is better.

-t

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 10:10 AM

I don't need to address it because it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Trying to equate a payment method with the act of willful infringement is stupid.

It's IRRELEVANT!!!! AWESOME!

So please inform us why YOU introduced it to the conversation!

-t

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 10:12 AM

So bitcoin laundry services don't work... Interesting! Gotta link?

I didn't think so.

-t

The difference is bitcoin is just a payment method not a hosting service hosting infringing content.

It doesn't matter if you pay cash or bitcoin for a movie, Works or other constitutionally protected material. Hosting it and distributing it is illegal

Ummm...you didn't answer the question and attempted to change the subject. So I'll ask it to you again. What actual evidence to you have that bitcoin transactions, if done right, are traceable?

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 10:12 AM

itshappening

01-21-2013, 10:14 AM

I've read that botnets that use malware to infect computers sometimes turn the infected computers into servers for a pic or two of kiddy porn, then serve up the links to images on hijacked computers to serve up kitty porn to visitors to their "Aggregation server" in order to be "legal".

There are tons of legal aggregation servers too that would be adversely effected by any laws in this area.

Anything out on the Internet is going to be misused. Sometimes misuse is just used in a manner different than the creator intended. (Look up chatubate(sp?)), but one that takes off and is better.

-t

Silly argument and already answered this.

If someone gets busted for being part of a botnet distributing child porn they need only to produce the compromised computer as evidence in a defense and it should be accepted by any judge or jury.

Ranger29860

01-21-2013, 10:15 AM

I haven't either - just reports in the press on what's in it. Do you have a link?

Interesting, VERY Interesting!

Out of curiosity, what was high up on distribution?

Are there any gvmt reports that were particularity good on the topic? Links?

Outstanding post!
+rep!

-t

Indictment : http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171180266957116.html

Page 11 for the child porn part.

Government report on CP:
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e04062000.pdf

Touches a little on the type of distribution.

I am having a issue finding the distribution allocation numbers again (did a school paper on this a year back) Let me dig around and find it to get the source for you.

If I remember correctly though the highest was BBS systems (aka 4chan) type systems.

Ranger29860

01-21-2013, 10:15 AM

Double Post

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 10:19 AM

*sigh*, here we go again...

It's not me trying to shut them down it's the content producers and owners who have identified a service that enables the willful infringement of their material and are asking the DoJ to enforce their constitutional protections of their Works.

The list of other services you mention and other instances of infringement have nothing to do with taking action against this party and in most cases those services and providers work diligently with rights holders to ensure there is no abuse or willful infringement. This is very different to what Kim was doing and what he seeks to do.

Stop trying to defend the scumbag. I am not a troll.

Do you know that the very same companies that are pushing the hardest to protect their "constitutional rights" were also the ones pushing the hardest to promote illegal file sharing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5mv-cBO68U

Edit: And what the hell reading of the constitution are you using to assume that said constitutional rights should extend to New Zealand?

itshappening

01-21-2013, 10:21 AM

Ummm...you didn't answer the question and attempted to change the subject. So I'll ask it to you again. What actual evidence to you have that bitcoin transactions, if done right, are traceable?

This is from the official bitcoin wiki:

'While the Bitcoin technology can support strong anonymity, the current implementation is usually not very anonymous. '

'The main problem is that every transaction is publicly logged. Anyone can see the flow of Bitcoins from address to address (see first image). Alone, this information can't identify anyone because the addresses are just random numbers. However, if any of the addresses in a transaction's past or future can be tied to an actual identity, it might be possible to work from that point and figure out who owns all of the other addresses. This identity information might come from network analysis, surveillance, or just Googling the address. The officially-encouraged practice of using a new address for every transaction is designed to make this attack more difficult. '

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity

However as I've stated it's not relevant to the discussion because a payment method be it cash, bitcoin, gold or banana's is not the same as the act of being a willful infringer and distributor of material constitutionally protected and what you're not authorized to copy or sell notwithstanding legally accepted practices by the courts i.e personal copies.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 10:23 AM

Do you know that the very same companies that are pushing the hardest to protect their "constitutional rights" were also the ones pushing the hardest to promote illegal file sharing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5mv-cBO68U

Again you're trying to lump all rights holders into one entity, many of them don't support SOPA, some of them do. what's your point? I don't care about debates between rights holders or their advocating for new statues, what's important is they were (are?) united against Mega and the enforcement of existing statue.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 10:24 AM

Indictment : http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171180266957116.html

Page 11 for the child porn part.

Government report on CP:
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/Publications/e04062000.pdf

Touches a little on the type of distribution.

I am having a issue finding the distribution allocation numbers again (did a school paper on this a year back) Let me dig around and find it to get the source for you.

If I remember correctly though the highest was BBS systems (aka 4chan) type systems.

TY!

Yeah, if you can find it, the numbers would be really interesting.

At least now I have some decent reading. I was about to go search channels for a "I love Lucy" re-run marathon or something to avoid the chief egotist JO on the American public...

-t

jbauer

01-21-2013, 10:25 AM

I can't post any proof because the service isnt up yet but the last service he ran there was plenty of proof, enough to get him shut down and the DoJ went after the hosting providers.

Dude you sound like Santorum about gays. Give it a rest.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 10:28 AM

As i've said it's not exclusively bad because of the possibility of the distribution of child porn but also the willful infringement of rights holders and constitutional protections that the DoJ is obligated to enforce on behalf of American content producers and owners.

Dishonest redirection is dishonest. The point that Ranger is making isn't that it wasn't just being used by child porn but that Kim went out of his way to make sure that it WOULD NOT be used for child porn. So thanks to the U.S. government and people like you there will probably be more child porn on the internet. Good job! You must be proud of yourself! Big government (international big government in this case) wins again!

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 10:30 AM

Again you're trying to lump all rights holders into one entity, many of them don't support SOPA, some of them do. what's your point?

That the best way stop copyright infringement is to quit promoting it yourself?

I don't care about debates between rights holders or their advocating for new statues, what's important is they were (are?) united against Mega and the enforcement of existing statue.

Yes. You are a big government new world order international supporting statist when it comes to intellectual property and you were dishonestly using the child porn scare as a cover. We got that already.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 10:32 AM

Dishonest redirection is dishonest. The point that Ranger is making isn't that it wasn't just being used by child porn but that Kim went out of his way to make sure that it WOULD NOT be used for child porn. So thanks to the U.S. government and people like you there will probably be more child porn on the internet. Good job! You must be proud of yourself! Big government (international big government in this case) wins again!

As I said many, many times in this thread the objection to Mega or its new variant is not solely limited to its capacity to be used to distribute child porn but also its ability to be a haven for infringement of constitutionally protected Works.

This isn't an either or.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 10:34 AM

That the best way stop copyright infringement is to quit promoting it yourself?

Yes. You are a big government new world order international supporting statist when it comes to intellectual property and you were dishonestly using the child porn scare as a cover. We got that already.

So you must think the Founders were wrong to protect Works in the constitution itself and you must think it silly for content producers to want this enforced through the legal system and by extradition treaties signed by the U.S Senate?

And this makes anyone who expects such enforcement a supporter of a global conspiracy and banking cartel known as the New World Order?

Give me a break.

Your arguments for supporting a known criminal and his infringing enterprise gets weaker with every passing post.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 10:42 AM

So you must think the Founders were wrong to protect Works in the constitution itself and you must think it silly for content producers to want this enforced through the legal system and by extradition treaties signed by the U.S Senate?

So you must think it's okay to lead a thread with fake charges about child porn when Kim when out of he way apparently to keep child porn off his sight.

You must also think that it's okay for Germany to use similar extradition treaties to enforce it's ban on free speech when it comes to Nazi memorabilia.

You must also think that every thing the founders put in the constitution initially, including protection of slavery, was "good and proper".

And this makes anyone who expects such enforcement a supporter of a global conspiracy and banking cartel known as the New World Order?

In this case lamenting about how the free internet will allow child porn and copyright infringement to continue? Yes.

Give me a break.

Your arguments for supporting a known criminal and his infringing enterprise gets weaker with every passing post.

Weaker to who? To you? Now that your "child porn" argument has been exposed as a farce you have no credibility. So for you to call my arguments weak is a badge of honor.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 10:44 AM

As I said many, many times in this thread the objection to Mega or its new variant is not solely limited to its capacity to be used to distribute child porn but also its ability to be a haven for infringement of constitutionally protected Works.

This isn't an either or.

We're not talking about "either or". We're talking about a fake boogeyman you threw up just for the hell of it. It would have been one thing if child porn was rampant in the initial megaupload. It wasn't. Just admit you goofed and be done with it.

Edit: And let's be honest here. Your initial post had nothing to do with copyright infringement. That was just your hidden agenda. Your first post in this thread:

I'm sure the New Zealand government are going to be delighted that they're going to be the center of promoting pedophile, rape, bestiality and incest pictures and movies. I'm sure that's just the image they want to portray to the world.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 10:50 AM

So you must think it's okay to lead a thread with fake charges about child porn when Kim when out of he way apparently to keep child porn off his sight.

You must also think that it's okay for Germany to use similar extradition treaties to enforce it's ban on free speech when it comes to Nazi memorabilia.

You must also think that every thing the founders put in the constitution initially, including protection of slavery, was "good and proper".

In this case lamenting about how the free internet will allow child porn and copyright infringement to continue? Yes.

Weaker to who? To you? Now that your "child porn" argument has been exposed as a farce you have no credibility. So for you to call my arguments weak is a badge of honor.

My child porn argument has not been completely exposed, it's not even the central thesis to my argument.

It's not OK for Germany to use the treaties it has signed for Nazi stuff because mostly these treaties include reciprocal offenses and must be considered by a judge in the host country i.e if it's illegal in that country as well as the country seeking extradition

Slavery was dealt with and the constitution was amended as far as I know Works are still protected and the constitution has never been amended along your anti-IP views because your theories are wrong and economically harmful. IP protection is not only supported by the constitution but by hundreds of cases brought before the courts and affirmed. Yes, this was the case with slavery but only up to 1865 so your argument and logic fails and fails rather badly.

Why don't you just accept that content producers have the right to expect their rights afforded to them under the FOUNDING document enforced? You may not like it but they do and if you feel so strongly about it have the document amended and lead the charge.

jbauer

01-21-2013, 10:50 AM

Who cares if some pervert wants to download certain combinations of 1's and 0's that cause certain pixels to display on their monitors? Law enforcement should be spending their efforts tracking down the people who PRODUCE the CP and actually create real victims. Merely viewing the stuff, while disgusting, is a victimless crime.

I never used their services but I'm glad megaupload is coming back bigger and better after the government harassment.

Not true. If there wasn't a demand for the 1s and 0s in the code there wouldn't be victims.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 10:59 AM

Dude you sound like Santorum about gays. Give it a rest.

+rep!

That the best way stop copyright infringement is to quit promoting it yourself?

Yes. You are a big government new world order international supporting statist when it comes to intellectual property and you were dishonestly using the child porn scare as a cover. We got that already.

Over and over again....
+rep!

-t

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 11:12 AM

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 11:12 AM

My child porn argument has not been completely exposed, it's not even the central thesis to my argument.

Initially it was your only argument. Again your own words.

Originally Posted by itshappening
I'm sure the New Zealand government are going to be delighted that they're going to be the center of promoting pedophile, rape, bestiality and incest pictures and movies. I'm sure that's just the image they want to portray to the world.

It's not OK for Germany to use the treaties it has signed for Nazi stuff because mostly these treaties include reciprocal offenses and must be considered by a judge in the host country i.e if it's illegal in that country as well as the country seeking extradition

Actually, so far you've produced zero evidence that the new Mega site violates New Zealand law in any way, shape or form. I'm betting that it doesn't. I'm betting that he spend a least a million on lawyers to scour New Zealand law and make sure that the new site fits into NZ's safe harbor provision. I bet you understand this to which is why you went with the child porn red herring.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 11:18 AM

My child porn argument has not been completely exposed, it's not even the central thesis to my argument.

Good! - than we all understand it's a straw man argument and total BS!

It's not OK for Germany to use the treaties it has signed for Nazi stuff because mostly these treaties include reciprocal offenses and must be considered by a judge in the host country i.e if it's illegal in that country as well as the country seeking extradition

Interesting... OK, so you kinda get that shoving US and International "club" laws down the throats of nations that never joined the club or agreed to anything like this might, possibly, be a REALLY BAD THING!!!!

Not true. If there wasn't a demand for the 1s and 0s in the code there wouldn't be victims.

"victims". As far as I can tell, the segment of the population that is most DEVASTATED by these asinine laws are US teenagers who engage is "sexting".

-t

jbauer

01-21-2013, 11:21 AM

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 11:27 AM

Very true but there certainly is a case to be made against others that break those laws.

Totally agree. Though the number of young children that actually get kidnapped and sexually abused and killed is VERY LOW. I would dare to say in the single digits per year, and low single digits, at that.

This is just fear mongering.

I am really curious what LEO or corporation @itshappening really works for. Do they pay him well?

-t

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 11:37 AM

Totally agree. Though the number of young children that actually get kidnapped and sexually abused and killed is VERY LOW. I would dare to say in the single digits per year, and low single digits, at that.

This is just fear mongering.

I am really curious what LEO or corporation @itshappening really works for. Do they pay him well?

-t

The major cases of child sex abuse have government involvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asvl6kO1Vo8

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/foreign-contractors-hired-dancing-boys

http://www.caica.org/Texas_Youth_Commission.htm

dannno

01-21-2013, 11:41 AM

Unlikely, that place will become a haven for pedophile, rape and bestiality content that will be spread everywhere. Just watch.

New Zealand don't want that image so will have no option to shut it down and will eventually become highly embarrassed.

Who gives a god damn flying fuck what other people look at? Mind your own god damn business.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong anyway, pretty sure it is mostly used for pirating.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 11:45 AM

Bottom line is this. This sounds like good and useful technology. One of the things that makes me really nervous about cloud storage is that despite "privacy policies" there's nothing stopping some company from snooping around in your data stored on their server or knuckling in under a "national security letter". That said, I don't know how much I can trust "Kim Dotcom" either. I need to learn more about this browser based encryption and make sure he's not just blowing smoke.

kcchiefs6465

01-21-2013, 12:15 PM

kcchiefs6465

01-21-2013, 12:15 PM

cero

01-21-2013, 12:23 PM

I'm sure the New Zealand government are going to be delighted that they're going to be the center of promoting pedophile, rape, bestiality and incest pictures and movies. I'm sure that's just the image they want to portray to the world.

says the guy who's nick initially originated from a pedo/rape/bestiality picture image board.
oh the irony.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 12:29 PM

I trust it because of Kim Dotcom. Man's made one hell of reputation. Your NSL concerns are probably very real though. Meh, I'll try it out.

Yes, his reputation is of a thief and a criminal with at least one conviction so far. Hell of a guy.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 12:32 PM

Initially it was your only argument. Again your own words.

Originally Posted by itshappening
I'm sure the New Zealand government are going to be delighted that they're going to be the center of promoting pedophile, rape, bestiality and incest pictures and movies. I'm sure that's just the image they want to portray to the world.

Actually, so far you've produced zero evidence that the new Mega site violates New Zealand law in any way, shape or form. I'm betting that it doesn't. I'm betting that he spend a least a million on lawyers to scour New Zealand law and make sure that the new site fits into NZ's safe harbor provision. I bet you understand this to which is why you went with the child porn red herring.

Firstly it doesn't matter about NZ laws with regards to a domain name such as megaupload.com the administration of which is licensed to Network Solutions based in Virginia and covered by US statue and the constitution protecting works.

Secondly there is an extradition hearing in August regarding the DoJ request relating to Kim Dotcom so that is when it will be tested as a valid request or not.

kcchiefs6465

01-21-2013, 12:37 PM

Firstly it doesn't matter about NZ laws with regards to a domain name such as megaupload.com the administration of which is licensed to Network Solutions based in Virginia and covered by US statue and the constitution protecting works.

Secondly there is an extradition hearing in August regarding the DoJ request relating to Kim Dotcom so that is when it will be tested as a valid request or not.
Luckily for him, he lives in the freest country in the world. NZ is never going to send him the US. I would never step foot out of that country if I were him. Other puppets might not be so 'civil.'

itshappening

01-21-2013, 12:37 PM

Good! - than we all understand it's a straw man argument and total BS!

Interesting... OK, so you kinda get that shoving US and International "club" laws down the throats of nations that never joined the club or agreed to anything like this might, possibly, be a REALLY BAD THING!!!!

"victims". As far as I can tell, the segment of the population that is most DEVASTATED by these asinine laws are US teenagers who engage is "sexting".

-t

When Kim registered megaupload.com he agreed to abide by the terms of conditions of the registrar and that's ultimately administered by Network Solutions of Virginia, subject to US laws hence why it was seized.

Regarding the international "club" of laws, that is a treaty between the US and the New Zealand government and subject to due process of law (proceedings are on going).

Treaties between nations are authorized under the constitution Article II, Section 2 subject to a supermajority vote in the United States Senate, of which one was signed on January 12, 1970.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 12:37 PM

Firstly it doesn't matter about NZ laws with regards to a domain name such as megaupload.com the administration of which is licensed to Network Solutions based in Virginia and covered by US statue and the constitution protecting works.

What does ^that have to do with this? Actually, so far you've produced zero evidence that the new Mega site violates New Zealand law in any way, shape or form. I'm betting that it doesn't. I'm betting that he spend a least a million on lawyers to scour New Zealand law and make sure that the new site fits into NZ's safe harbor provision. I bet you understand this to which is why you went with the child porn red herring.

Also your initial post was 100% about child porn and bestiality. The sooner you are willing to honestly come to terms with that the better.

Secondly there is an extradition hearing in August regarding the DoJ request relating to Kim Dotcom so that is when it will be tested as a valid request or not.

Again, that has nothing to do with whether his new website falls within NZ law or not and it's the new website specifically that you were criticizing with regards to the "haven for child porn" garbage you were spewing.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 12:38 PM

Luckily for him, he lives in the freest country in the world. NZ is never going to send him the US. I would never step foot out of that country if I were him. Other puppets might not be so 'civil.'

How do you know they're "never" going to send him to the U.S? My bet and indeed hope is that they get fed up and embarrassed by him that do send him to the U.S for trial of copyright infringement.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 12:39 PM

How do you know they're "never" going to send him to the U.S? My bet and indeed hope is that they get fed up and embarrassed by him that do send him to the U.S for trial of copyright infringement.

And that's why you attempted to slander him with unfounded accusations of facilitating child porn?

itshappening

01-21-2013, 12:42 PM

What does ^that have to do with this? Actually, so far you've produced zero evidence that the new Mega site violates New Zealand law in any way, shape or form. I'm betting that it doesn't. I'm betting that he spend a least a million on lawyers to scour New Zealand law and make sure that the new site fits into NZ's safe harbor provision. I bet you understand this to which is why you went with the child porn red herring.

Also your initial post was 100% about child porn and bestiality. The sooner you are willing to honestly come to terms with that the better.

Again, that has nothing to do with whether his new website falls within NZ law or not and it's the new website specifically that you were criticizing with regards to the "haven for child porn" garbage you were spewing.

The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not.

The "old" website and service certainly was and hence the United States and its Department of Justice is currently seeking his extradition where he be tried for the crimes he has been accused of.

As I have stated many, many times and in many posts my objection to Mega rests not just solely on the possibility it can be used for child porn and other illegal content but also infringing content and protected Works under the U.S constitution.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Just because I make one point and one objection in one post does not mean I have no other objections or arguments in relation to the service on other grounds.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 12:43 PM

The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not.

The "old" website and service certainly was and hence the United States and its Department of Justice is currently seeking his extradition where he be tried for the crimes he has been accused of.

As I have stated many, many times and in many posts my objection to Mega rests not just solely on the possibility it can be used for child porn and other illegal content but also infringing content and protected Works under the U.S constitution.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, just because I make one point and one objection in one post does not mean I have no other objections or arguments in relation to the service.

Solely? You haven't produced any evidence of that claim at all! Evidence to the contrary has been produced. And your initial point was all about child porn and bestiality. I don't know how many times you will continue to be dishonest about that.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 12:49 PM

Solely? You haven't produced any evidence of that claim at all! Evidence to the contrary has been produced. And your initial point was all about child porn and bestiality. I don't know how many times you will continue to be dishonest about that.

It's not up to me to collect and detail the evidence, that's up to law enforcement of which I do not belong.

I have been pointing out what the service COULD be used for and PROBABLY will be used for.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 12:52 PM

It's not up to me to collect and detail the evidence, that's up to law enforcement of which I do not belong.

I have been pointing out what the service COULD be used for and PROBABLY will be used for.

So you were talking about the new site? So you were blowing smoke when you said The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not. ? Yeah, I knew that already. I didn't think you would admit that so quickly though.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 12:59 PM

So you were talking about the new site? So you were blowing smoke when you said The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not. ? Yeah, I knew that already. I didn't think you would admit that so quickly though.

I've posted that the new site could become a haven for illegal and infringing content, just like the old site.

So what?

One poster himself admitted that it had contained illegal content when he said Kim and his organization does everything he can to deal with it when he was notified.

So yes, the old site probably did contain plenty of illegal content... enough to notify Kim of its existence and for him to have to "deal" with it.

kcchiefs6465

01-21-2013, 01:13 PM

Yes, his reputation is of a thief and a criminal with at least one conviction so far. Hell of a guy.
His reputation is as a trailblazer and an entrepreneur. There is no need to slander his name with unfounded assumptions and decades old convictions. I don't know why you personally hate the man so much. It doesn't seem to be about your perceived 'justice' needing to be done. You seem oddly against the man. (As if he wronged you personally) We have already had a pretty circular discussion of this in another thread. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Kim Dotcom deserves every damn penny he made. He had a good business model and quite frankly I wish I would have thought of it first. His flamboyant attitude is also a good gimmick. Free publicity and all. Good product=good return. (At least it should, anyways) Simple markets.

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 01:13 PM

what about pedo's ?

What about it.
I honestly suspect it is produced and promoted mostly by Government and Government Officials as another level of Control. (blackmail)

all in all it is a very small part of the "porn industry",, and a smaller part of file sharing.

Most of it is likely out their as bait.

presence

01-21-2013, 01:28 PM

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.

You're so off base bro. This is like calling for gun manufacturers to be complicit when someone commits a murder.

Is "bushmaster, inc." responsible for Aurora, CO?

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 01:34 PM

says the guy who's nick initially originated from a pedo/rape/bestiality picture image board.
oh the irony.

REALLY???? - So are you saying this guy is a FED trying to entrap people? Can you document that?

-t

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 01:57 PM

It's not up to me to collect and detail the evidence, that's up to law enforcement of which I do not belong.

Wrong again.

Please take the time to read this.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,

and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That is simple, plain English.. easy to understand.

More good reading here,
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

mport1

01-21-2013, 02:10 PM

Excellent. May "intellectual property" go into the dustbin of history along with other terrible ideas.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 02:16 PM

Excellent. May "intellectual property" go into the dustbin of history along with other terrible ideas.

Unlikely, its been protected by the U.S constitution and the courts for 230 years

dannno

01-21-2013, 02:18 PM

Unlikely, its been protected by the U.S constitution and the courts for 230 years

Ya but everybody under 30 knows it's total bullshit they just don't know why.

Libertarians know why, because intellectual property doesn't actually exist. It is literally a figment of your imagination.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 02:19 PM

Wrong again.

Please take the time to read this.

That is simple, plain English.. easy to understand.

More good reading here,
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

What's your point?

It's up to the cops to build their case against Kim Dotcom, not itshappening :)

itshappening

01-21-2013, 02:20 PM

Ya but everybody under 30 knows it's total bullshit they just don't know why.

Libertarians know why, because intellectual property doesn't actually exist. It is literally a figment of your imagination.

No, everyone under 30 doesn't think it's total bullshit and recognize the economic significance of protecting works for a period of time.

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 02:56 PM

What's your point?

It's up to the cops to build their case against Kim Dotcom,

NO, It is NOT

Cops should not even exist.
there should be no case TO START WITH.

Has anyone been killed?
Has anyone been raped?
Has anyone been assaulted?
Has any real property (Tangible) been stolen?

By this service provider? What evidence exactly , and it is located where exactly?

Get a warrant to look for the specific evidence .

Beyond that,, Leave them the fuck alone.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 03:23 PM

I've posted that the new site could become a haven for illegal and infringing content, just like the old site.

So what?

One poster himself admitted that it had contained illegal content when he said Kim and his organization does everything he can to deal with it when he was notified.

So yes, the old site probably did contain plenty of illegal content... enough to notify Kim of its existence and for him to have to "deal" with it.

:rolleyes: There isn't a file sharing site open to the public with any kind of exposure or size that hasn't had to "deal with" some kind of content that's illegal somewhere in the world. Total red herring.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 03:25 PM

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.

For the record, this kind of doublespeak is getting old. You admit that Kim isn't "knowingly hosting" any child porn on his site, but then you accuse him on the sly of "knowingly hosting terrabytes" of child porn. Big Brother would be proud.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 03:27 PM

What's your point?

It's up to the cops to build their case against Kim Dotcom, not itshappening :)

Yeah. Your just is just to slander people on net forums in order to embarrass governments to go along with extradition orders.

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 03:58 PM

Wrong again.

Please take the time to read this.

That is simple, plain English.. easy to understand.

More good reading here,
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

But upon probable cause. A phrase undefined and left for anybody in power to interpret.

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 03:59 PM

NO, It is NOT

Cops should not even exist.
there should be no case TO START WITH.

Agreed! I'm tired of people stopping me from getting what I want.

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 04:49 PM

But upon probable cause. A phrase undefined and left for anybody in power to interpret.

NO it isn't.

"and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

A warrant should only be issued upon probable cause,, Supported by oath and Particularly describing.

but aside from all that, it is not even within the jurisdiction of the US.

That gets into the whole 6th amendment.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

You see,, First you have to have an actual crime,, and an exact place that this crime took place,, and on and on and,,,,

A server located in another country is of NO CONCERN of US courts.

Period

dannno

01-21-2013, 05:27 PM

No, everyone under 30 doesn't think it's total bullshit and recognize the economic significance of protecting works for a period of time.

Many of them DO recognize the economic significance, they realize it is holding us back immensely. No person or corporation would be dumb enough to hold back an invention that would be valuable to society in fear that somebody else might take their idea, because the sooner they produce it the more THEY get the head start!! By holding it back, they get nothing if somebody else thinks of it and develops it. But just because they develop it doesn't mean they get to have monopoly rights, that is ludicrous. Not only do you have the cost to society of a monopoly producer making monopoly prices, but you have an artificially low supply being produced which also increases prices even more. Then you have the costs of paying lawyers and government to enforce all this stuff and so we gotta pay more taxes and pay to shut down producers who would be benefiting society by producing these goods.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 05:27 PM

NO, It is NOT

Cops should not even exist.
there should be no case TO START WITH.

Has anyone been killed?
Has anyone been raped?
Has anyone been assaulted?
Has any real property (Tangible) been stolen?

By this service provider? What evidence exactly , and it is located where exactly?

Get a warrant to look for the specific evidence .

Beyond that,, Leave them the fuck alone.

The Works are protected by the U.S constitution, the case against Kim has gone to a judge who seized his domain and there is a pending extradition request. I am sure the DoJ are in compliance with the law and rights holders have a reasonable expectation that their constitutional rights are upheld by the administration.

Indeed, probably the only decent thing that Obama administration might do in the next 4 years is have Kim incarcerated in a Federal prison for a very long time.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 05:33 PM

Many of them DO recognize the economic significance, they realize it is holding us back immensely. No person or corporation would be dumb enough to hold back an invention that would be valuable to society in fear that somebody else might take their idea, because the sooner they produce it the more THEY get the head start!! By holding it back, they get nothing if somebody else thinks of it and develops it. But just because they develop it doesn't mean they get to have monopoly rights, that is ludicrous. Not only do you have the cost to society of a monopoly producer making monopoly prices, but you have an artificially low supply being produced which also increases prices even more. Then you have the costs of paying lawyers and government to enforce all this stuff and so we gotta pay more taxes and pay to shut down producers who would be benefiting society by producing these goods.

If you feel so strongly about it then campaign to have the constitution amended....

In the mean time the rights holders have a reasonable expectation that their constitutional rights are upheld and yes Kim has a reasonable expectation of due process of law which is what he will get once he's in a Federal courthouse.

idiom

01-21-2013, 05:35 PM

Also the dude is planning to bribe New Zealand by paying for a second fibre optic ocean cable which we sorely need.

If he takes down the Internet monopoly he will be *extremely* popular.

Ranger29860

01-21-2013, 05:36 PM

Wait is he an American? You talk about the constitution in regards like he is? As far as I know he is not and never has been so what the fuck are we talking about? The only involvement the DOJ should have in this is users on our side of the pond.

jmdrake

01-21-2013, 05:38 PM

The Works are protected by the U.S constitution, the case against Kim has gone to a judge who seized his domain and there is a pending extradition request. I am sure the DoJ are in compliance with the law and rights holders have a reasonable expectation that their constitutional rights are upheld by the administration.

Indeed, probably the only decent thing that Obama administration might do in the next 4 years is have Kim incarcerated in a Federal prison for a very long time.

Yep. You're so sure of the righteousness of your cause that you chose to leave it completely out of your initial post in this thread and instead harp on made up allegations of child porn because it could "potentially" be on the new encrypted servers. Meanwhile for the rest of us who have been thinking "Yeah...that cloud storage thing looks tempting....but it would suck if the host could ignore the privacy policy whenever it wants and look at our private data or worse, give it to the government" what Kim is doing is a godsend. I only hope the rest of the cloud storage industry follows suit.

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 05:42 PM

NO it isn't.

A warrant should only be issued upon probable cause,, Supported by oath and Particularly describing.

I believe this meant (please correct me), that the WARRANT has to be supported by oath and description, but the cause is undefined and unrestricted.

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 05:44 PM

Indeed, probably the only decent thing that Obama administration might do in the next 4 years is have Kim incarcerated in a Federal prison for a very long time.

Are you on the right board?

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 05:46 PM

Also the dude is planning to bribe New Zealand by paying for a second fibre optic ocean cable which we sorely need.

If he takes down the Internet monopoly he will be *extremely* popular.

only to 5 million people though.

itshappening

01-21-2013, 05:52 PM

itshappening

01-21-2013, 05:57 PM

Are you on the right board?

Yes, I am.

Rights holders want their constitutional protections upheld and the DoJ is doing that by pursuing one of the biggest infringers on the planet.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 06:19 PM

Yes, I am.

Rights holders want their constitutional protections upheld and the DoJ is doing that by pursuing one of the biggest infringers on the planet.

I disagree! You are NOT on the right board. You are a corporate fascist. A neocon. You are NOT one of us.

Please leave!

-t

itshappening

01-21-2013, 06:25 PM

I disagree! You are NOT on the right board. You are a corporate fascist. A neocon. You are NOT one of us.

Please leave!

-t

Constitutionalist.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress:

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 06:50 PM

Yawners...

"FOR A LIMITED TIME" - Which Congress has TOTALLY FUCKED UP!

Please leave!

-t

itshappening

01-21-2013, 06:54 PM

Yawners...

"FOR A LIMITED TIME" - Which Congress has TOTALLY FUCKED UP!

Please leave!

-t

So am I officially a neocon for agreeing with the language in article I section 8 clause 8?

Is that fascist?

tangent4ronpaul

01-21-2013, 07:01 PM

In your dreams

You are clearly not one of us. You would find much better company at Red State or another neocon board. Please leave our company. Our community. You just do not fit in!

-t

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 07:10 PM

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

Copyright..
Is Kim.com reproducing and selling products under it's own name?

I am guessing NO.

It is not a copyright issue.

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 07:11 PM

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 07:16 PM

Is that fascist?

I never called you a Fascist. However,,

America has an extradition treaty with New Zealand signed in 1970.

Authoritarian.

adjective
1.
favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2.
of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.

noun
4.
a person who favors or acts according to authoritarian principles.

The polar opposite of Dr Paul's known and stated positions.

Just sayin'

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 07:55 PM

Copyright..
Is Kim.com reproducing and selling products under it's own name?

I am guessing NO.

It is not a copyright issue.

Selling the product under a false name, incorrect attribute is not copyright infringement, or at least not exclusively, usually that is plagiarsim (which is actually not illegal), fraud, and trademark infringement. To violate copyright, you only need to make unauthorized copies not exempt under fair use (regardless of whether you profited).

dannno

01-21-2013, 08:00 PM

I love New Zealand. I just got a lb. of grassfed wagyu ground beef from New Zealand, that's related to the kobe beef from Japan. It was cheaper than the 'organic' grass fed regular beef at the same store, go figure. I don't like importing meat, but New Zealand apparently has a lot of extra grass fed meat, we aren't making enough here so prices are relatively high. Damn did it make a tasty burger, lots of fat, and the good grassfed kind.

pcosmar

01-21-2013, 08:21 PM

Selling the product under a false name, incorrect attribute is not copyright infringement, or at least not exclusively, usually that is plagiarsim (which is actually not illegal), fraud, and trademark infringement. To violate copyright, you only need to make unauthorized copies not exempt under fair use (regardless of whether you profited).
Fair Use you say.

So,, I have some music that I bought. (paid for and own a disk/tape)
You are saying that I can not play it for a friend? I can not share that which I own?
Can I sell the disk,, as used? What about a book? can I sell used books?
Can I give them away?

I understand the use and benefits of copyright and of patents,, but firmly believe present laws have gone far beyond original protections and all related law needs serious reevaluation.

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 10:28 PM

Fair Use you say.

So,, I have some music that I bought. (paid for and own a disk/tape)
You are saying that I can not play it for a friend? I can not share that which I own?

Nope, you definitely can play it to A friend. Not sure what you mean by share, there are many ways you are able and willing to "share", not all of which are legal or authorized.

Can I sell the disk,, as used? What about a book? can I sell used books?
Can I give them away?

Yes to all, all of which are all authorized. It's called first sale doctrine (or exhaustion). Are you playing dumb? Or do you actually not know the difference between transferring posession of an authorized copy with making an unauthorized copy? (Note, playing it at a friend's house is different than playing it on a radio, public place) We're talking about creative works, from books to music to movies. This is entirely different than software, when it's explicitly licensed for use, and never sold to the user. You have to explicitly agreed not to re-use, resell, make copies and all that good stuff.

I understand the use and benefits of copyright and of patents,, but firmly believe present laws have gone far beyond original protections and all related law needs serious reevaluation.

No disagreement there.

idiom

01-21-2013, 11:05 PM

If your buy a copy of a work and it won't play properly, if you do anything to 'help' it play you will pretty much be in serious violation of the DCMA.

God forbid you want to transfer a book or song that you purchased from one machine that you own to another machine that you own for your personal use. That stopped being fair use about 20 years ago.

Putting multiple songs onto a CDR so you can listen to them in your car? You are personally destroying the music industry and should rot in jail.

idiom

01-21-2013, 11:06 PM

Tpoints

01-21-2013, 11:59 PM

itshappening

01-22-2013, 02:38 AM

I never called you a Fascist. However,,

Authoritarian.

The polar opposite of Dr Paul's known and stated positions.

Just sayin'

I don't think it's authoritarian to want Kim brought to justice.

Rights holders, artists, producers and software engineers pay a lot of money in tax to the Feds so what's wrong with getting them to enforce the law? If it means activating a legally entered in to treaty with the govt of New Zealand then so be it. All they're asking for the Feds to pursue it through the proper and correct channels. If there's a case to answer then he will have his day in court.

tangent4ronpaul

01-23-2013, 09:52 AM

It's called first sale doctrine

"First sale doctrine" as it is currently being pushed means that any book, song or movie you purchase does not belong to you. Should you choose to sell it, the people that own your "property" want another cut. It's like buying land and a house. You don't own it. You pay rent on it to the government.

I might have gotten that backwards...

FUCK THAT!

-t

Tpoints

01-23-2013, 06:27 PM

"First sale doctrine" as it is currently being pushed means that any book, song or movie you purchase does not belong to you.

No, not yet. I'm sure people who benefit are trying, but it's not held that way yet. Also, the only time it becomes a real question is when there's a parrelelt import problem.

Should you choose to sell it, the people that own your "property" want another cut. It's like buying land and a house. You don't own it. You pay rent on it to the government.

I might have gotten that backwards...

FUCK THAT!

-t

If laws change, you're more likely than not, to have a warning, in which case you are free to stop purchasing. However, pirating will most likely still be illegal.

First of all, paying for something doesn't always equate to buying. Secondly, if you didn't buy something, you can't complain. Thirdly, copyright and non-exhaustion questions don't send money to the government, though it takes it from the user/consumer, so it might not matter to him who takes his money.

Tpoints

01-23-2013, 06:30 PM

I don't think it's authoritarian to want Kim brought to justice.

But that's just like your opinion, man

tangent4ronpaul

01-24-2013, 01:57 AM

OK, but there was a bill introduced (maybe passed) in recent memory that said the seller owned to rights to the product so had to be paid again is sold used. It only applied to things that were imported, so basically all electronics, most cars, etc.

-t

Tpoints

01-24-2013, 03:59 AM

tangent4ronpaul

01-24-2013, 05:35 AM

MEGA Launch Press Conference

this was otherwise available in 6 parts. Definitive answers to some issues brought up in this thread start about half way through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HwRM9eBCs&NR=1

-t

tangent4ronpaul

01-24-2013, 06:28 AM

few notes:

MegaBox will let recording artists connect directly with fans without signing up with a recording label and keep 90% of all income. Expected rollout in 6 months.

MegaMovie was developed before the raid and they were in negotiations with movie companies to create a NetFlix competitor.

"They are trying to blame us for an Internet phenomenon, this isn't a MegaUpload phenomenon that there was piracy on MegaUpload, You can ask any ISP how much piracy you have on your network and anyone that will tell you less than 50% is a liar. On the Internet, piracy is so common that every Internet provider has to deal with the same issues. On YouTube right now, you can find more copywrite infringement that you could ever find in the history of MegaUpload. If you go to Google and look for a album or a movie, you will instantly find a link to a web site that has that content available. So why are these guys not in jail? Why are they coming here, to NZ, when everyone else has to deal with the same issues. And they can't blame me for the actions of third parties. ... If someone sends something illegal through the postal service, you don't shut down the postal service."

GCSB illegally spied on the company. They now have permission to sue the spy agency. The NZ PM met with Obama this week and stated that Mega was discussed, but refused to say what was discussed.

"if we receive a take down notice, we will take things down. We have done this with MegaUpload and went further than any other company by giving copy write owners direct access to take material down on their own. They wrote us e-mails saying 'WOW Great' and then they stab you in the back."

"We paid out rewards for downloads, but never to attract piracy. ... One thing the DOJ never mentioned is that we didn't pay out for any file over 100 MB. You can't find a movie under 100 MB. To say that we paid people for uploading movies, that is just a blatant lie. That never happened. What also needs to be said is that you could not be an anonymous rewards customer on MegaUpload, you had a premium customer... so we had all of your information - could track you..."

At the end, about 1:15:00 is a good anti-copy write / freedom of speech song. Anybody know who it is and what the song is?

there is other great stuff - worth watching!

-t

Tpoints

01-24-2013, 11:11 AM

tangent4ronpaul

01-24-2013, 11:34 AM

How much does iTunes or Amazon mp3 let artists keep?
Good luck with their movie deal, I don't see what they can do that Crackle, Hulu, Flixster hasn't tried.

1-2 cents on the dollar for recording companies, someplace like Amazon - probably a lot better, but no where near this.

-t

Tpoints

01-24-2013, 12:14 PM

1-2 cents on the dollar for recording companies, someplace like Amazon - probably a lot better, but no where near this.

-t

sorry, you're wrong!

iTunes gives closer to 10%
CDbaby gives 74% (74 cents per 99 cents), and this ratio holds whether you are selling a CD or a download of a track. So Mega's new 90% share is great, but not as new as some like to think. Oh, and the "no need to sign up for a label" crap is old, people haven't needed a label for almost a decade. Although most are caught in the dichotomy of either pressing their own CDs and keeping 90%, or signing with a label and keeping 10%, the options were always there.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/infobeautiful2/selling_out_550.png

presence

01-24-2013, 12:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HwRM9eBCs&feature=player_embedded

This needs to get into the OP.

kcchiefs6465

01-24-2013, 01:45 PM

Another interesting fact I did not know was that they were not incentivizing anything over 100mb. As in, you did not get cash rewards for views on any file over 100mb. As I am sure all are aware you are somewhat hardpressed to find a 30 minute television show under 100mb. Movies will never be close to that. Were you aware of that itshappening? I believe our last discussion in the NZ raid thread no one had mentioned it. I'm mentioning it now as further evidence that Kim Dotcom was in no way encouraging the piracy occuring on megaupload.

Tpoints

01-24-2013, 07:08 PM

kcchiefs6465

01-27-2013, 07:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mphBRtr030s

Very good interview of Dotcom where he questions Obama's motives for the raid, addresses 'blanket' spying on the internet, and explains why he believes the MPAA is embracing a failing business model. Check it out. It's a good interview to say the least. Thanks to idiom for bringing this to my attention. I didn't feel it was getting proper views in the 'Individual Liberties' subforum and figured I'd post it here.

itshappening

01-27-2013, 07:59 PM

AGRP

01-27-2013, 08:10 PM

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3dg27hBKd1qfw2dno1_500.gif

Tpoints

01-27-2013, 08:18 PM

No where does he mention the United States constitution or the body of copyright law that protects ALL rights holders including Hollywood.

That's why he was shut down.

But of course Kim tries to pretend he's some internet freedom crusader.

I think he's still an internet crusader as far as internet users go, but I don't need to watch the video to know he probably doesn't care about the Constitution one way or the other.

kcchiefs6465

01-27-2013, 08:35 PM

No where does he mention the United States constitution or the body of copyright law that protects ALL rights holders including Hollywood.

That's why he was shut down.

But of course Kim tries to pretend he's some internet freedom crusader.
Okay. I'll just point out a few things.

He is offering a lot more solutions than Obama and the MPAA.
He is a crusader in privacy on the internet in that he wishes to encrypt the majority of the internet. (While I admit it is most probably a futile effort as Bluffton will be storing even encrypted data until an algorithim is available to crack it)
He did address (I would say adequately, though I'm sure you might disagree) your first issue of child pornography.
He did address the issue of copyright infringement. (As I stated above, he offered some sound advice to the MPAA)
Obama clearly did not target Dotcom randomly or out of good conscience. (It is no coincidence how 'loud' this raid was. IOW, a publicity stunt.)
Megaupload did not incentivize uploads over 100mb.
Megaupload gave copyright holders direct access to deletion privileges. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one else had ever done that, or does it now)
He mentions the trumped up charges of racketeering and money laundering. (As a means to extradite him)

These are in no real order and there's a few other things I probably have missed.

itshappening

01-27-2013, 08:40 PM

Okay. I'll just point out a few things.

He is offering a lot more solutions than Obama and the MPAA.
He is a crusader in privacy on the internet in that he wishes to encrypt the majority of the internet. (While I admit it is most probably a futile effort as Bluffton will be storing even encrypted data until an algorithim is available to crack it)
He did address (I would say adequately, though I'm sure you might disagree) your first issue of child pornography.
He did address the issue of copyright infringement. (As I stated above, he offered some sound advice to the MPAA)
Obama clearly did not target Dotcom randomly or out of good conscience. (It is no coincidence how 'loud' this raid was. IOW, a publicity stunt.)
Megaupload did not incentivize uploads over 100mb.
Megaupload gave copyright holders direct access to deletion privileges. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one else had ever done that, or does it now)
He mentions the trumped up charges of racketeering and money laundering. (As a means to extradite him)

These are in no real order and there's a few other things I probably have missed.

Here's the bottom line: Megaupload.com was registered and at the time he agreed to the t&cs. the .com registry is administered and licensed to Network Solutions of Virginia. The domain was seized and megaupload.com shut down because a US judge agreed that he doesn't respect the constitution, rights holders or copyright law.

And that's the end of it.

The criminal charges is something else and I dont know if they have a case but it's being heard later this year.

itshappening

01-27-2013, 08:45 PM

Kim can rant and rave all he wants but if you register a .com you abide by the t&c's and ultimately U.S law and the constitution.

itshappening

01-27-2013, 08:48 PM

AGRP

01-27-2013, 08:55 PM

http://cdn.overclock.net/e/e8/200x200px-ZC-e8460922_troll.gif

presence

01-27-2013, 09:02 PM

Kim talks a lot about the MPAA but it wasn't just them after him it was the Business Software Alliance, RIAA and numerous other rights holder groups.

So he's just trying to deflect attention from the fact that he doesn't respect US law and never has. Therefore he can't complain when his domain is taken by a US judge.

They can be "after him" all they want, he's no more guilty than an the average ISP.
Should Bushmaster get sued when some goes Aurora, CO?

Kim Dotcom is very clear about what he doesn't respect: PRIVACY INFRINGEMENT

Mega, "the privacy company"

He's after private encrypted file sharing, private encrypted email, and private encrypted VOIP.

I SUPPORT THAT; If you want my data GET A WARRANT.

itshappening

01-27-2013, 09:06 PM

They can be "after him" all they want, he's no more guilty than an the average ISP.
Should Bushmaster get sued when some goes Aurora, CO?

Kim Dotcom is very clear about what he doesn't respect: PRIVACY INFRINGEMENT

Mega, "the privacy company"

He's after private encrypted file sharing, private encrypted email, and private encrypted VOIP.

I SUPPORT THAT.

Yawn.

There is a difference between an ISP and a host who was housing terrabytes of copyrighted content.

Any hosting provider who hosts and make's available terrabytes of copyrighted content will get shut down and if they own a .com, they will have it seized when rights holders take action.

silverhandorder

01-27-2013, 09:14 PM

Yawn.

There is a difference between an ISP and a host who was housing terrabytes of copyrighted content.

Any hosting provider who hosts and make's available terrabytes of copyrighted content will get shut down and if they own a .com, they will have it seized when rights holders take action.

Thank god for torrents. Piracy is going to kill intellectual property. I can't remember the last time I paid for a movie.

presence

01-27-2013, 09:33 PM

Yawn.
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will get shut down and if they own a .com, they will have it seized

1/23/13 "Mega.co.nz enters top 150 sites, bigger than DropBox, Rapidshare"

"The encryption is open source. We expect the security community to take a long and hard look and comment on possible weaknesses."

CTO of Mega, Mathias Ortman

jmdrake

01-27-2013, 09:59 PM

Here's the bottom line: Megaupload.com was registered and at the time he agreed to the t&cs. the .com registry is administered and licensed to Network Solutions of Virginia. The domain was seized and megaupload.com shut down because a US judge agreed that he doesn't respect the constitution, rights holders or copyright law.

And that's the end of it.

The criminal charges is something else and I dont know if they have a case but it's being heard later this year.

No. HERE is the bottom line. You know good and well that federal judges do not necessarily uphold the constitution so the fact that one agrees with your witch-hunt is evidence of nothing. Megaupload was one of many file sharing sites. Kim got raided shortly after the release of the Megaupload music video. The feds decided to make an example out of him. But the companies that, unlike Kim, actually promoted the illegal use of their software, while owning "copyrighted" material? They haven't been harassed at all. It's like the same government that ships in the cocaine on C130s and protects opium fields in Afghanistan busting a medical marijuana joint because the owner is too flamboyant.

Kim's latest venture is badly needed. And if Kim is taken down and isn't able to go through with it, I hope somebody will. The very future of our freedom depends on winning the Internet encryption battle. Not everyone involved in 1776 was a savory character.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtQgjyaJqkI

Feeding the Abscess

01-27-2013, 10:17 PM

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why assault weapons were banned in the first place.

Just being a manufacturer is no excuse for knowingly providing terrorists and disturbed individuals with military style semi-automatic assault weapons.

Tpoints

01-27-2013, 10:17 PM

They can be "after him" all they want, he's no more guilty than an the average ISP.

He is if he's less respectful of DMCA notices

Should Bushmaster get sued when some goes Aurora, CO?

Kim Dotcom is very clear about what he doesn't respect: PRIVACY INFRINGEMENT
Mega, "the privacy company"
He's after private encrypted file sharing, private encrypted email, and private encrypted VOIP.
I SUPPORT THAT; If you want my data GET A WARRANT.

No criminal respects law enforcement, which includes privacy infringement. I bet you didn't know that the Constitution protects copyright and intellectual property, but not privacy.

Tpoints

01-27-2013, 10:19 PM

Thank god for torrents. Piracy is going to kill intellectual property. I can't remember the last time I paid for a movie.

they might kill the greedy profit machine, but not the concept of IP. Nor will the idea you can copy and use any information and use it any way you want be a reality (when you're pro-counterfeit, pro-ID theft, pro-plagiarism and pro-fraud, let me know)

Tpoints

01-27-2013, 10:20 PM

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why assault weapons were banned in the first place.

Just being a manufacturer is no excuse for knowingly providing terrorists and disturbed individuals with military style semi-automatic assault weapons.

Knowingly is the keyword.

pcosmar

01-27-2013, 10:53 PM

they might kill the greedy profit machine, but not the concept of IP. Nor will the idea you can copy and use any information and use it any way you want be a reality (when you're pro-counterfeit, pro-ID theft, pro-plagiarism and pro-fraud, let me know)

I am pro Fair Use.
The DMCA is an obscenity.

AGRP

01-27-2013, 11:03 PM

http://www.gagbay.com/images/2012/08/please_do_not_feed_the_trolls-120360.jpg

Tpoints

01-27-2013, 11:48 PM

I am pro Fair Use.
The DMCA is an obscenity.

Fair use is allowed under DMCA, anybody who's gotten a DMCA notice on Youtube knows that. Oh, and I specifically say "any reason you want" which is not limited to fair use.

jmdrake

01-28-2013, 12:23 PM

He is if he's less respectful of DMCA notices

No criminal respects law enforcement, which includes privacy infringement. I bet you didn't know that the Constitution protects copyright and intellectual property, but not privacy.

The bill of rights most certainly does protect privacy in that it bars unreasonable searches and seizures without warrants supported by probable cause. It does not protect privacy to the point of view where "whatever happens in my bedroom is my own private decision". So we've gotten privacy backwards. Technically speaking the government should no more have a right to go into your home looking for pot as they do to go in looking for condoms.

Matt Collins

02-01-2013, 05:36 PM

Cato did some commentary on this -

http://www.cato.org/multimedia/daily-podcast/copyright-kim-dotcom