Rick Santorum Blames Gay Marriage, Abortion And Porn Ideals On College Indoctrination

[Agorism]

Rick Santorum Blames Gay Marriage, Abortion And Porn Ideals On College Indoctrination

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Rick Santorum said the nation's colleges are promoting a "sea of antagonism toward Christianity" and "indoctrinating" its youth with ideals that support gay marriage, abortion and pornography.

Santorum called in to Tony Perkins' "Washington Watch" on Tuesday to talk about the 40th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade ruling. The conversation dealt not only with abortion but also included other "symptoms" that have changed the nation.

Perkins spoke broadly, saying pro-choice Americans represent a troubled country that doesn't choose life, meaning "That is to follow the principals, the teachings, the instructions of God ... You see that as you've been in Washington, D.C. There is a rejection of this idea of truth, and that there is a foundation or morality, which needs to be upheld."

Santorum agreed, adding that less young people devote themselves to Christianity. "If you look at the popular culture and what comes out of Hollywood, if you go to our schools and particularly our colleges and universities, they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism and a sea of antagonism towards Christianity."

"Abortion is a symptom. Marriage is a symptom. Pornography [is a symptom]," he continued. "All of these are symptoms to the fundamental issue that we've gotten away from the truth and the 'Truth-Giver.'"

Santorum has long been against gay marriage and anti-abortion. When he was in the running for the GOP presidential nomination, he vowed to initiate a war on porn if elected. Santorum received his undergraduate degree from Pennsylvania State University, an M.B.A. from the University of Pittsburgh and a J.D. from the Dickinson School of Law but has criticized the notion that college is a critical entry point to the middle class.

"President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob!" Santorum said last February, according to the New York Times. "There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren't taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate him. I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image."

The Times highlighted a 2008 study that disproved the theory that going to college makes students increasingly liberal. The study found that 18 to 24-year-old students' ideals shifted somewhat leftward, but this was in line with normally occurring shifts in that age group regardless of education.

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[tod evans]

Go Frothy.....

The more you talk the more folks are repulsed...

[AuH20]

Those are the symptoms of the moral decline as opposed to the cause. Frothy is wrong.

[Agorism]

Every time I read an article about him, it reads like an Onion article.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

he vowed to initiate a war on porn if elected.


Fuck if we don't need more wars.

[tod evans]

Fuck if we don't need more wars.

War = Politician speak for restrict liberty at great expense..

[fr33]

I don't think they could build prisons fast enough for a war on porn.

[coastie]

That's funny, I've been in college for over 2 years now, and have yet to hear the promotion of(or even mention of) any of those things. In almost all of my classes(my first year), hardly anyone even talked to each other, let alone participated in class discussions.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

That's funny, I've been in college for over 2 years now, and have yet to hear the promotion of(or even mention of) any of those things. In almost all of my classes(my first year), hardly anyone even talked to each other, let alone participated in class discussions.



Santorum is more fixated on homosexuality than anyone I know who's out of the closet.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Santorum is more fixated on homosexuality than anyone I know who's out of the closet.

It's a good bet that he is IN he closet.

-t

[pochy1776]

Dear Santorum, If you want to win..... Stop talking.

[otherone]

I'm really starting to believe that these guys are False Flag candidates created by the left to disgrace true conservatives.

[dannno]

That's funny, I've been in college for over 2 years now, and have yet to hear the promotion of(or even mention of) any of those things. In almost all of my classes(my first year), hardly anyone even talked to each other, let alone participated in class discussions.

Wtf, are you in a private school or something?

I would say LGBT issues were the biggest push when I was in school. Everybody was already pro-choice. Porn was just something that every guy utilized and a couple of activists may have been against the 'degradation of women' or something, but nobody took them seriously.

But the thing is, gay marriage is a no-brainer. There is no reason the government shouldn't allow gay people to get married, what a tyrannical notion. Even if I were against the idea of gay marriage, I still wouldn't use the government to ban it. I would probably vote w/ Ron Paul at the federal level because states should be allowed to ban it, but it's still a tyrannical thing for them to do.

[cajuncocoa]

Just remember: this is the guy that Mr. Libertarian, aka Glenn Beck, endorsed for President. :rolleyes:

[Brett85]

I'm certainly no fan of Santorum, as his foreign policy is simply atrocious, but I don't see how anyone can argue with this statement:

"If you go to our schools and particularly our colleges and universities, they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism and a sea of antagonism towards Christianity."

[Agorism]

I'm certainly no fan of Santorum, as his foreign policy is simply atrocious, but I don't see how anyone can argue with this statement:

"If you go to our schools and particularly our colleges and universities, they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism and a sea of antagonism towards Christianity."

Most colleges are not religious ones so teaching islamism or christianity is normally not on the list of prerogatives

[otherone]

I'm certainly no fan of Santorum, as his foreign policy is simply atrocious, but I don't see how anyone can argue with this statement:

"If you go to our schools and particularly our colleges and universities, they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism and a sea of antagonism towards Christianity."

4 years ...Temple University....never a peep about Christianity either way.

[Lucille]

A good time to remind the prog gun-grabbers that the possibility of a Dictator Santorum is why THEY need the 2nd Amendment.

[RecoveringNeoCon]

"If you go to our schools and particularly our colleges and universities, they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism and a sea of antagonism towards Christianity."

Agreed.


Still, F U Frothy.

:D

[Agorism]

A good time to remind the prog gun-grabbers that the possibility of a Dictator Santorum is why THEY need the 2nd Amendment.

lol ya

[Brett85]

Most colleges are not religious ones so teaching islamism or christianity is normally not on the list of prerogatives

I didn't say that they should teach Christianity, but a lot of these universities are openly hostile to Christianity, and also openly hostile to any political point of view that is non liberal.

[Agorism]

I didn't say that they should teach Christianity, but a lot of these universities are openly hostile to Christianity, and also openly hostile to any political point of view that is non liberal.

idk man. That's just how life works. I don't think it's an institutional bias, but teachers\professors have really strong opinions. Sometimes you just have to tell them whatever they want to hear.

I mean what's your goal...to get an A. Figure out how to get it and move on.

[specsaregood]

Wtf, are you in a private school or something?


More likely a community college with a larger population of adults with real life issues to deal with and other students with a mind on getting ahead rather than spending time on peripheral issues.

[Antischism]

Santorum is the worst of the worst.

[dannno]

More like a community college with a larger population of adults with real life issues to deal with and other students with a mind on getting ahead rather than spending time on peripheral issues.

As much as I've heard community college preaching on this forum for saving money, the reputation of city college in my experience is that it is completely worthless and barely anybody graduates. Hell, my gf has been at community college for almost 6 years and still doesn't have a fucking 2 year degree. I'm not saying it can't be beneficial for some people, it does save some people money and allow them to move onto higher institutions and graduate at a lower cost, but I wouldn't put community college students as a group above university students. If anything the reason nobody talks about shit is because they don't give one.

[specsaregood]

As much as I've heard community college preaching on this forum for saving money, the reputation of city college in my experience is that it is completely worthless and barely anybody graduates. Hell, my gf has been at community college for almost 6 years and still doesn't have a fucking 2 year degree. I'm not saying it can't be beneficial for some people, it does save some people money and allow them to move onto higher institutions and graduate at a lower cost, but I wouldn't put community college students as a group above university students. If anything the reason nobody talks about shit is because they don't give one.

None of that really has anything to do with my comment. Students living on a university campus going to school fulltime are going to have more time to get involved in activist issues than the majority of CC students with real jobs, families and households to take care of.

[twomp]

I didn't say that they should teach Christianity, but a lot of these universities are openly hostile to Christianity, and also openly hostile to any political point of view that is non liberal.

Really? Could you provide some examples? Because from my point of view, all I ever see is Jesus this and Jesus that...

[twomp]

woops double post..

[coastie]

Wtf, are you in a private school or something?

I would say LGBT issues were the biggest push when I was in school. Everybody was already pro-choice. Porn was just something that every guy utilized and a couple of activists may have been against the 'degradation of women' or something, but nobody took them seriously.

But the thing is, gay marriage is a no-brainer. There is no reason the government shouldn't allow gay people to get married, what a tyrannical notion. Even if I were against the idea of gay marriage, I still wouldn't use the government to ban it. I would probably vote w/ Ron Paul at the federal level because states should be allowed to ban it, but it's still a tyrannical thing for them to do.

LOL, you must've went to school in Cali...I go to a state college(Gulf Coast State College). I've had only one extreme liberal professor-sociology. Big surprise there.

[cheapseats]

...they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism...


That is a cancer in Society at large, not "just" in the schools.

ADOLF HITLER: "Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.”

I will suggest that MORAL RELATIVISM is a gateway rationalization for ANYTHING GOES. File Sodom & Gomorrah under SABOTAGE.

That said, I believe bloody Civil War would be better for America and the world, than Santorum as Boss Man.

[Confederate]

Gotta say...I agree with Santorum on this one...

[cheapseats]

Gotta say...I agree with Santorum on this one...


A broken clock is right twice a day.

Santorum was right to emphasize stateside manufacturing.

Perry was right to float zero-based Foreign Aid...start from scratch each year...see who's naughty and nice.

[AGRP]

Is that froth on the side of his mouth?

[Confederate]

A broken clock is right twice a day.

Santorum was right to emphasize stateside manufacturing.

Perry was right to float the LOGICAL concept of zero-based Foreign Aid...start from scratch each year...see who's naughty and nice.

Santorum is right 95% of the time on social issues. Unfortunately he's wrong 95% of the time on what to do about them.

[Brett85]

Really? Could you provide some examples? Because from my point of view, all I ever see is Jesus this and Jesus that...

http://www.worldmag.com/2007/08/tenured_bigots

[twomp]

http://www.worldmag.com/2007/08/tenured_bigots

I find it ridiculous that evangelicals act like there is a "war on Christianity" when the exact opposite is happening. How many television channels are out there that are solely dedicated to Christians. How many radio stations out there? How often can you drive around without seeing some billboard or running into someone passing out some pamphlet tell you about how "Jesus saves." How many times have you had someone knock on your door telling you to turn to Christ? How many times do you hear someone "thank Jesus their Lord and Savior" or their award speeches and when they score touchdowns in a football game.

Yet that isn't enough, the evangelicals are claiming THEY are the victims here and that those evil gay people are trying to spread their culture. This whole claim that colleges are now joining in on this "war on Christianity" is just another example of this. Go onto any college campus, I GUARANTEE you there is a christian chapel on campus. There is probably no Temple, Mosque, or Synagogue but almost always a Christian chapel of some kind. Yet that isn't enough, more must be done because there is a War on Christianity you see. I say this as a Catholic person myself, born and raised.

Drop the victim's routine. It doesn't add up.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Santorum is right 95% of the time on social issues.


Social issues are none of his business 95% of the time.

[Brett85]

I find it ridiculous that evangelicals act like there is a "war on Christianity" when the exact opposite is happening. How many television channels are out there that are solely dedicated to Christians. How many radio stations out there? How often can you drive around without seeing some billboard or running into someone passing out some pamphlet tell you about how "Jesus saves." How many times have you had someone knock on your door telling you to turn to Christ? How many times do you hear someone "thank Jesus their Lord and Savior" or their award speeches and when they score touchdowns in a football game.

Yet that isn't enough, the evangelicals are claiming THEY are the victims here and that those evil gay people are trying to spread their culture. This whole claim that colleges are now joining in on this "war on Christianity" is just another example of this. Go onto any college campus, I GUARANTEE you there is a christian chapel on campus. There is probably no Temple, Mosque, or Synagogue but almost always a Christian chapel of some kind. Yet that isn't enough, more must be done because there is a War on Christianity you see. I say this as a Catholic person myself, born and raised.

Drop the victim's routine. It doesn't add up.

Apparently you just looked at the title of my link and didn't actually read the article.

[Brett85]

And Ron Paul strongly disagrees with you.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

[idiom]

A long time ago hard core Christians were the bastions and champions of education.

Now education is despised because it tends to make one question particular sacred cows.

[dannno]

I find it ridiculous that evangelicals act like there is a "war on Christianity" when the exact opposite is happening. How many television channels are out there that are solely dedicated to Christians. How many radio stations out there? How often can you drive around without seeing some billboard or running into someone passing out some pamphlet tell you about how "Jesus saves." How many times have you had someone knock on your door telling you to turn to Christ? How many times do you hear someone "thank Jesus their Lord and Savior" or their award speeches and when they score touchdowns in a football game.

Yet that isn't enough, the evangelicals are claiming THEY are the victims here and that those evil gay people are trying to spread their culture. This whole claim that colleges are now joining in on this "war on Christianity" is just another example of this. Go onto any college campus, I GUARANTEE you there is a christian chapel on campus. There is probably no Temple, Mosque, or Synagogue but almost always a Christian chapel of some kind. Yet that isn't enough, more must be done because there is a War on Christianity you see. I say this as a Catholic person myself, born and raised.

Drop the victim's routine. It doesn't add up.

Where do you live? Sounds awful. I don't know that we even get a Christian tv channel here, there's honestly barely any sign they exist. I'm in a more progressive area near so cal tho.

I was actually flabbergasted to find out that one of my roommates we found on craigslist went to church (AFTER living with him for a couple of months..). I was outside one Sunday morning and he was coming home in a suit, and I was like, "where the fuck did you just go in a suit on Sunday??" and he was like, "Uhh, church.."

[anaconda]

It's a good bet that he is IN he closet.

-t

And I am not insincere when I say that it appears that he is desperate to come out. I feel sorry for him to an extent.

[amy31416]

And Ron Paul strongly disagrees with you.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

Part of the "War on Religion" has to do with the Christians who use their religion to try to dictate (using the gov't) who you should love, who we should kill and how you should live.

Perhaps Christians should take note of Jesus' actions--he inspired the religion without a single law being passed, a cent in tax money or any attempts to tell you who you should and should not love. It just might go a long way.

[gwax23]

Wtf, are you in a private school or something?

I would say LGBT issues were the biggest push when I was in school. Everybody was already pro-choice. Porn was just something that every guy utilized and a couple of activists may have been against the 'degradation of women' or something, but nobody took them seriously.

But the thing is, gay marriage is a no-brainer. There is no reason the government shouldn't allow gay people to get married, what a tyrannical notion. Even if I were against the idea of gay marriage, I still wouldn't use the government to ban it. I would probably vote w/ Ron Paul at the federal level because states should be allowed to ban it, but it's still a tyrannical thing for them to do.


I never understood why its okay for State Governments to be oppressive as long as the federal government isnt. Government is government. It shouldnt be oppressive on the Federal or State level.

[anaconda]

I never understood why its okay for State Governments to be oppressive as long as the federal government isnt. Government is government. It shouldnt be oppressive on the Federal or State level.


Ding Ding. We have a winner!

Except that 50 competing governments adds a whole new wrinkle. But with federal intervention we've seen that all 50 states can become corrupt and indistinguishable from the federal menace.

[samforpaul]

Thank you Rick Santorum.

[Giuliani was there on 911]

He's party right but the media and hollywood are more to blame

[idiom]

He's party right but the media and hollywood are more to blame

Why can't individuals be to blame? State institutions are only forcing committed individuals to have abortions. It might be claimed that the SEC forces some to watch pornography, but I don't know how you leap to the idea that going to college makes you may people of the same gender.

What if it turns out that individuals are weighing options and finding that the ideas Santorum supports simply don't have a lot of merit?

[dannno]

I never understood why its okay for State Governments to be oppressive as long as the federal government isnt. Government is government. It shouldnt be oppressive on the Federal or State level.

It's not "ok" at all, it's just a better alternative to letting the feds control the states.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

I don't care if ***** want to get married, any less than I care if heteros get married. I don't give a shit if you want to kill your unborn child, just don't sugar coat the idea with the "It's my body, it's my choice" bullshit sauce. I love porn. LOVE it. loveitloveitloveitloveit. I've never once set foot in college classroom as a student.

Frothy, you closeted PRICK - you're wrong again, asshole!!! Go back into your hidey-hole somewhere, enjoy your gay porn, and get the hell out of the news. No one cares.

[Brett85]

Part of the "War on Religion" has to do with the Christians who use their religion to try to dictate (using the gov't) who you should love, who we should kill and how you should live.

Perhaps Christians should take note of Jesus' actions--he inspired the religion without a single law being passed, a cent in tax money or any attempts to tell you who you should and should not love. It just might go a long way.

Non Christian liberals try to dictate to others how they should live far more than Christians do. Christian conservatives at least don't support passing laws which force people to violate their concience, as the liberals do with their Obamacare mandate which forces private companies to cover abortion pills in their health insurance plans.

[amy31416]

Non Christian liberals try to dictate to others how they should live far more than Christians do. Christian conservatives at least don't support passing laws which force people to violate their concience, as the liberals do with their Obamacare mandate which forces private companies to cover abortion pills in their health insurance plans.

I think it's just about equal, and Christian conservatives do support passing laws that force people to violate their conscience with regularity. Laws that force people to support Israel's gov't, for instance. Laws that force people to financially support killing foreigners, while forbidding support of those who they disapprove of (lest they be labeled a terrorist.) Laws that force people to fund bigger police forces to kill or violate someone who's using a drug that they do not approve of.

You need more?

[gwax23]

Ding Ding. We have a winner!

Except that 50 competing governments adds a whole new wrinkle. But with federal intervention we've seen that all 50 states can become corrupt and indistinguishable from the federal menace.

I doubt federal government can be blamed for state corruption and...well...statism.

State governments are governments. I know theres a lot of strict constitutionalism on these forums who think just deferring everything to the state government will make things better. For the most part it wont. They are still governments and they will take and take and take, regulate regulate and regulate and eventually destroy.

[James Madison]

Part of the "War on Religion" has to do with the Christians who use their religion to try to dictate (using the gov't) who you should love, who we should kill and how you should live.

Perhaps Christians should take note of Jesus' actions--he inspired the religion without a single law being passed, a cent in tax money or any attempts to tell you who you should and should not love. It just might go a long way.

Prohibiting the state from recognizing same-sex marriages does not equate to dictating who they should love. No one is seriously talking about banning homosexual relationships. Unless you're talking about polygamy.

I'm not for government recognizing any marriage, but when you makes these types of hyperbolic statements it weakens your argument.

I've repeatedly demonstrated on these forums how the pro-life position is the scientific one.

[James Madison]

I think it's just about equal, and Christian conservatives do support passing laws that force people to violate their conscience with regularity. Laws that force people to support Israel's gov't, for instance. Laws that force people to financially support killing foreigners, while forbidding support of those who they disapprove of (lest they be labeled a terrorist.) Laws that force people to fund bigger police forces to kill or violate someone who's using a drug that they do not approve of.

You need more?

Everything you just rattled off has bipartisan support from Christians, Jews, and Atheists. Try again...

[Brett85]

I think it's just about equal, and Christian conservatives do support passing laws that force people to violate their conscience with regularity. Laws that force people to support Israel's gov't, for instance. Laws that force people to financially support killing foreigners, while forbidding support of those who they disapprove of (lest they be labeled a terrorist.) Laws that force people to fund bigger police forces to kill or violate someone who's using a drug that they do not approve of.

You need more?

I consider myself to be a Christian conservative, and I don't support any of those things. I think you're generalizing too much.

[amy31416]

Everything you just rattled off has bipartisan support from Christians, Jews, and Atheists. Try again...

The most support in this country comes from Christian "conservatives." Jews and atheists are in the minority with these issues, and you know that's true.

Regardless, all those things I listed do force other people to violate their conscience, so stop trying to change the topic.

[Brett85]

The most support in this country comes from Christian "conservatives." Jews and atheists are in the minority with these issues, and you know that's true.

Regardless, all those things I listed do force other people to violate their conscience, so stop trying to change the topic.

Christian conservatives are more strongly in favor of giving foreign aid to Israel than American Jews are?

[amy31416]

I consider myself to be a Christian conservative, and I don't support any of those things. I think you're generalizing too much.

Do you deny that most do? You made some generalizations, and sometimes that's reasonable. I completely allow and recognize that most Christians here do not support such things.

[amy31416]

Christian conservatives are more strongly in favor of giving foreign aid to Israel than American Jews are?

I believe so, yes.

[Brett85]

Do you deny that most do? You made some generalizations, and sometimes that's reasonable. I completely allow and recognize that most Christians here do not support such things.

Most Christians I know aren't rabid warmongers. I live in a very socially conservative area, but I don't see much support for more intervention overseas or starting more wars against additional countries.

[amy31416]

Prohibiting the state from recognizing same-sex marriages does not equate to dictating who they should love. No one is seriously talking about banning homosexual relationships. Unless you're talking about polygamy.

I'm not for government recognizing any marriage, but when you makes these types of hyperbolic statements it weakens your argument.

I've repeatedly demonstrated on these forums how the pro-life position is the scientific one.

There are plenty of people seriously talking about banning homosexual marriage, even here--personally, I don't care. I agree with you on excluding the gov't from being involved at all--even in polygamy.

I made no hyperbolic statements.

And I agree that the pro-life position is scientifically sound.

[amy31416]

Most Christians I know aren't rabid warmongers. I live in a very socially conservative area, but I don't see much support for more intervention overseas or starting more wars against additional countries.

Perhaps it's just a geographical difference--the Christians here are rabid warmongers, and I'm pretty disgusted by it on a lot of levels.

[seyferjm]

Sadly I see a lot of support for the wars in the Middle East at my church. The "it's best for Israel" complex is alive and well. If more Christians read Laurence Vance instead of John Hagee-esque crap things would be much better.

[James Madison]

The most support in this country comes from Christian "conservatives." Jews and atheists are in the minority with these issues, and you know that's true.



Jews and atheists make up - at the most - 10% of the population. Of course most of the support comes from a demographic comprising 80% of Americans.

I've met upwards of 200+ atheists, and I can count the number that weren't complete authoritarians on one hand. Most support legalizing pot, but then follow it up by saying it should be taxed. Oh, and we might as well ban cigs from public property and trans fat, too!



Regardless, all those things I listed do force other people to violate their conscience, so stop trying to change the topic.

You were assigning blame to Christians when other demographics are equally guilty of supporting statist legislation.

[amy31416]

Jews and atheists make up - at the most - 10% of the population. Of course most of the support comes from a demographic comprising 80% of Americans.

I've met upwards of 200+ atheists, and I can count the number that weren't complete authoritarians on one hand. Most support legalizing pot, but then follow it up by saying it should be taxed. Oh, and we might as well ban cigs from public property and trans fat, too!




You were assigning blame to Christians when other demographics are equally guilty of supporting statist legislation.

I was stating that Christians are, just as many others, to blame when it comes to statist legislation. They are full participants, just like the other demographics listed.

I don't support taxes on cigarettes, pot or trans-fat, but I also don't categorize myself as an atheist. I won't support any of these groups unless they support individual freedom, regardless of religion, whether I agree with a particular philosophy or whatever. I'm tired of all of these "groups" who want to dictate anything.

[amy31416]

Jews and atheists make up - at the most - 10% of the population. Of course most of the support comes from a demographic comprising 80% of Americans.

I've met upwards of 200+ atheists, and I can count the number that weren't complete authoritarians on one hand. Most support legalizing pot, but then follow it up by saying it should be taxed. Oh, and we might as well ban cigs from public property and trans fat, too!




You were assigning blame to Christians when other demographics are equally guilty of supporting statist legislation.

I was stating that Christians are, just as many others, to blame when it comes to statist legislation. They are full participants, just like the other demographics listed.

I don't support taxes on cigarettes, pot or trans-fat, but I also don't categorize myself as an atheist. I won't support any of these groups unless they support individual freedom, regardless of religion, whether I agree with a particular philosophy or whatever. I'm tired of all of these "groups" who want to dictate anything.

[ClydeCoulter]

So, in this game we are playing, whose closer to the destination? Roll the dice, move ahead 3 spaces. Opps, slide back.

I've met a lot of perverts in my lifetime, tried to get me to let them give me a blowjob, nope I don't want one from a man, best you'll ever have, nope I'm married and satisfied with women. Also know a dude that like dudes that never hit on me.

I'm a hat, your a shoe, the other guys a boat, we move around the board but the bank wins.

[otherone]

I've met a lot of perverts in my lifetime, tried to get me to let them give me a blowjob, nope I don't want one from a man, best you'll ever have

might want to open a window if you're gonna use spray paint inside.

[ClydeCoulter]

might want to open a window if you're gonna use spray paint inside.

That went over my head, you'lll have to be more explicit, I guess.

[UMULAS]

Really Rick Santorum people....REAAAAAAAAAALY!

I mean, you think that education makes people more liberal, what is this... I don't even...

There are many factors (psychosociobio) that can influence a person on their decisions.

Also, what does Christianity have anything to do with this? Read you bible.

Talking about the word and evangelizing (voluntarily) = Good

Forcing people to have your religious ideals =/= Good

If anyone wants to argue about it, by all means, I founded two bible clubs and read the bible every day.

[BAllen]

Funny how they dance all around the target, but miss. Those things he describes is marxist demoralization. Subversion. I can't believe none of these politicians know that. They never say what it is. Just the symptoms.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

I think it's just about equal, and Christian conservatives do support passing laws that force people to violate their conscience with regularity. Laws that force people to support Israel's gov't, for instance. Laws that force people to financially support killing foreigners, while forbidding support of those who they disapprove of (lest they be labeled a terrorist.) Laws that force people to fund bigger police forces to kill or violate someone who's using a drug that they do not approve of.

You need more?

Nope. Nothing more needed. You just said it all.

[COpatriot]

Keep talking Rick. Every time you open your mouth you present a strong case for the GOP avoiding you like the plague if they ever want to win a general election again.

As for the pro-war Christian thing, it's true. Very true. I live in Colorado Springs which is the de facto evangelical capital of the west and perhaps the USA. It's home to Focus on the Family, a couple megachurches including Ted Haggard's, and hundreds of others. There's a heavy military presence here too, but I don't blame this problem on them very much.

You should hear the callers on the local talk shows here. It really is shocking to hear an old women call in to a show and say things like "we're fighting over there to keep those bastards out of our country."

You should sit in on some of the church services I've sat through before. Imagine an entire service complete with "rah-rah Jesus" music and all, not on how to live your life like Jesus would or any of that crazy shit, but on Iran. That's right. A local church invited the rapture freak author Joel Rosenberg to speak to their congregation.....about Iran and how they want to destroy America and Israel and usher in the age of the Mahdi. And this isn't a small church either. I sat in the midst of thousands of people who just lapped this shit up.

You should see my Facebook feed. Enough said. I seldom log in to Facebook anymore and when I do I avoid political conversations like the plague, especially if I would be trying to reason with a rabid, pro-war zealot.

I know this problem is primarily created by Christian Zionut apocalyptic charlatans like Rosenberg, Hagee, and the Left Behind authors. It's just stunning to see people ignore what they claim to believe in.

There is a reason why Santorum carried this county by such a sizable margin.

[KrokHead]

Rick Santorum Blames Gay Marriage, Abortion And Porn Ideals On College Indoctrination

I'm sure Sanscrotum secretly looks at gay porn and has his goomars' babies aborted.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I blame Rick Santorum

[Agorism]

I'm sure Sanscrotum secretly looks at gay porn and has his goomars' babies aborted.

Was he in Larry Craig's fraternity\club?

Called The Family.

[jonhowe]

Everything you just rattled off has bipartisan support from Christians, Jews, and Atheists. Try again...

All of the one atheists in Congress, you mean?

[Confederate]

Really Rick Santorum people....REAAAAAAAAAALY!

I mean, you think that education makes people more liberal, what is this... I don't even...

Wait a second. Are you seriously calling what they teach in public schools and universities "education?" I believe the correct term is "indoctrination."

[Agorism]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vhKNvrkZk4&feature=youtu.be

[James Madison]

All of the one openly atheists in Congress, you mean?

FIFY

[Antischism]

I think quite a few people here operate under the assumption that atheism is a religion, which it most definitely isn't.

[loveableteddybear]

I'm sure Sanscrotum secretly looks at gay porn and has his goomars' babies aborted.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to KrokHead again.

[Confederate]

I think quite a few people here operate under the assumption that atheism is a religion, which it most definitely isn't.

Of course it is. It's a religion of self worship.

[cheapseats]

I don't think they could build prisons fast enough for a war on porn.

Ain't it the Truth.

[cheapseats]

War = Politician speak for restrict liberty at great expense..

At great TAXPAYER expense. At great expense to bodies, minds & Loved Ones of Soldiers.

But to the "victors" go the spoils. Deciders who pay others to launch and execute wars are wildly enriched.

[cheapseats]

Go Frothy.....

The more you talk the more folks are repulsed...


Every time I read an article about him, it reads like an Onion article.


People who wuv Rick Santorum should really keep that amongst their own Faithful.

Gathering around a maypole like Santorum fuels THIS plot, which seeks to drive a stake thru the GOP by equating it with Extremism:


Go for the Throat!

Why if he wants to transform American politics, Obama must declare war on the Republican Party.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?401898-CBS-News-Political-Director-Obama-Must-Destroy-Republican-Party

[Sola_Fide]

Rick Santorum Blames Gay Marriage, Abortion And Porn Ideals On College Indoctrination

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/947846/thumbs/r-RICK-SANTORUM-COLLEGE-INDOCTRINATION-large570.jpg?6



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Actually, abortion, gay marriage, and porn stem from Roman Catholicism. Everything anti-Christian in one way or another stems from the philosophy of Roman Catholicism. In Roman Catholic philosophy (as articulated by Aquinas), there is a synthesis of God's revelation and human reason. This unbiblical and anti-Christian synthesis is the fountainhead of everything that is wrong with human religion and sinful thinking in universities.

The Biblical and Christian view of knowledge is that human reason is completely fallen in sin and darkened. There can be no synthesis between man's reason and God's Word. God alone is the ultimate source and authority of all knowledge. Human reason is only accurate insofar as it comports with God's revelation in His Word.

[Sola_Fide]

Of course it is. It's a religion of self worship.

So is Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is a worship of man's will.

[Confederate]

So is Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is a worship of man's will.

Yeah, I think you need to back away from the Calvinist propaganda.

[Confederate]

So is Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is a worship of man's will.

Yeah, I think you need to back away from the Calvinist propaganda.

[Sola_Fide]

Yeah, I think you need to back away from the Calvinist propaganda.

What does Calvinism have to do with anything I've posted in this thread? What is propaganda about it?

In the Roman Catholic conception of things, man's will is supreme and God cannot ever force man's will. In Roman Catholicism, man's will (not God's) is free and absolute in regards to his destiny. There is nothing propaganda about it...this is what the Roman Catholic system is. It is contrary to the Bible, which teaches that man's will is enslaved to sin (not free), and that only God's will is free and determinative in the salvation of people.

[parocks]

I'm certainly no fan of Santorum, as his foreign policy is simply atrocious, but I don't see how anyone can argue with this statement:

"If you go to our schools and particularly our colleges and universities, they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism and a sea of antagonism towards Christianity."

Yup

[parocks]

I didn't say that they should teach Christianity, but a lot of these universities are openly hostile to Christianity, and also openly hostile to any political point of view that is non liberal.

Correct again.

[parocks]

I find it ridiculous that evangelicals act like there is a "war on Christianity" when the exact opposite is happening. How many television channels are out there that are solely dedicated to Christians. How many radio stations out there? How often can you drive around without seeing some billboard or running into someone passing out some pamphlet tell you about how "Jesus saves." How many times have you had someone knock on your door telling you to turn to Christ? How many times do you hear someone "thank Jesus their Lord and Savior" or their award speeches and when they score touchdowns in a football game.

Yet that isn't enough, the evangelicals are claiming THEY are the victims here and that those evil gay people are trying to spread their culture. This whole claim that colleges are now joining in on this "war on Christianity" is just another example of this. Go onto any college campus, I GUARANTEE you there is a christian chapel on campus. There is probably no Temple, Mosque, or Synagogue but almost always a Christian chapel of some kind. Yet that isn't enough, more must be done because there is a War on Christianity you see. I say this as a Catholic person myself, born and raised.

Drop the victim's routine. It doesn't add up.

Nah, they're right.

[parocks]

I don't care if ***** want to get married, any less than I care if heteros get married. I don't give a shit if you want to kill your unborn child, just don't sugar coat the idea with the "It's my body, it's my choice" bullshit sauce. I love porn. LOVE it. loveitloveitloveitloveit. I've never once set foot in college classroom as a student.

Frothy, you closeted PRICK - you're wrong again, asshole!!! Go back into your hidey-hole somewhere, enjoy your gay porn, and get the hell out of the news. No one cares.

Well, abortion, gay marriage and porn are not the same. Porn has been around since the beginning of time. Gay marriage has never been allowed.

[heavenlyboy34]

That's funny, I've been in college for over 2 years now, and have yet to hear the promotion of(or even mention of) any of those things. In almost all of my classes(my first year), hardly anyone even talked to each other, let alone participated in class discussions.
I've taken classes at 4 community colleges and ASU, and these topics have never come up. Sounds like Frothy's just trying to stir shit. :P

[heavenlyboy34]

What does Calvinism have to do with anything I've posted in this thread? What is propaganda about it?

In the Roman Catholic conception of things, man's will is supreme and God cannot ever force man's will. In Roman Catholicism, man's will (not God's) is free and absolute in regards to his destiny. There is nothing propaganda about it...this is what the Roman Catholic system is. It is contrary to the Bible, which teaches that man's will is enslaved to sin (not free), and that only God's will is free and determinative in the salvation of people.
I'm not an expert in things Catholic at all, but from what I understand about St. Augustine, you're entirely wrong.

[Sola_Fide]

I'm not an expert in things Catholic at all, but from what I understand about St. Augustine, you're entirely wrong.

Well...in what way do you think I'm entirely wrong?

[parocks]

Wait a second. Are you seriously calling what they teach in public schools and universities "education?" I believe the correct term is "indoctrination."

There is a real split here in the Ron Paul camp. We all agree, pretty much, that the federal government shouldn't be doing that, whatever that is. But when it comes to social conservative issues on the state level, you have Ron Paul supporters on both sides.

A "war on porn" is not going to be very popular at all. Gay marriage should lose in most states.

[parocks]

I've taken classes at 4 community colleges and ASU, and these topics have never come up. Sounds like Frothy's just trying to stir shit. :P

He's right, but I went to different schools than you did. I would assume that there would be less leftist indoctrination in Community Colleges in the southwest than in small liberal arts schools in the Northeast. There is leftism in colleges in the Northeast.

[PierzStyx]

Those are the symptoms of the moral decline as opposed to the cause. Frothy is wrong.

I wouldn't say entirely. Heaven knows I can't stand this man. And his solutions for the problems are horrendous. But the Left has long been okay with pushing these things. In fact it makes a point of doing so because the more they're accepted the more the other side looks like stupid for being to "old fashioned." Every Left Wing movement has focused on destroying the conservative-traditional ideals, everything from sexual morals to economic morals. Its all part of the whole Left's philosophy of "There is no God but State. What State says is good." Destroy traditional morals and create new morals to replace them, morals that almost always have focused on making fulfilling sexual and physical urges. It bleeds into everything else. The major tool the Left uses in indoctrinating American in Left wing ideals is in fact college, the State indoctrination institution.

[Sola_Fide]

I disagree with everything single thing that Santorum said in that article. Santorum isn't defending "Christianity", he is defending a false system of "traditional morals". Not only that, every solution that Santorum comes up with is an anti-Christian solution which involves state force. This is just good old fashioned Opus Dei religio-tyranny.

The only thing that will transform society is if the GOSPEL of imputed righteousness and efficacious atonement is preached and believed on by the people. We have only had glimpses of it in history. This system of "traditional morality" is a legalistic, Pharisaical, man-made religion of outward state force. Governments and churches do not change men in society, they can only force men to do things by force. Only the gospel truly changes a man, from the inside out. And the gospel is a certain set of propositions and not other propositions.

[parocks]

I wouldn't say entirely. Heaven knows I can't stand this man. And his solutions for the problems are horrendous. But the Left has long been okay with pushing these things. In fact it makes a point of doing so because the more they're accepted the more the other side looks like stupid for being to "old fashioned." Every Left Wing movement has focused on destroying the conservative-traditional ideals, everything from sexual morals to economic morals. Its all part of the whole Left's philosophy of "There is no God but State. What State says is good." Destroy traditional morals and create new morals to replace them, morals that almost always have focused on making fulfilling sexual and physical urges. It bleeds into everything else. The major tool the Left uses in indoctrinating American in Left wing ideals is in fact college, the State indoctrination institution.

Social conservatives seem to want to get it wrong. All False flaggers? Is it really necessary to bring porn into a gay marriage conversation? Socons really should focus on the weirdest stuff the left is trying to sell, not the popular stuff that the people like. Neither the mainstream establishment Ds or Rs want the Liberty people, and they don't want the Socons to succeed either. So the socons are always saying something kinda buffoonish. Feminists and socons have alliances on porn issues. Apparently the feminists have warped the minds of the socons.

There is nothing WTF??? about porn or prostitution. Socons might want to focus on the WTF??? stuff, and not things that could fall under the category of "objectivication of women". We hear enough about that from the left.